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General Discussion & Feedback => Just Chat! => Topic started by: DoctorBeaver on 06/02/2008 08:53:25
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I thought our choice of potential Prime Ministers here in the U.K. was poor. But the candidates for the U.S. Presidency - sheesh!
You have the wife of a serial adulterer who named her daughter after an English football club that's owned by a Grand Poobah of the Russian mafia, a cross between Jessie Jackson & Osama Bin Laden who I'm sure I've seen playing the part of a Lycra-clad sausage vendor in a dodgy video, and a grave-dodger who may not even last to see the election.
Land Of The Brave? Yeah... you'd be brave voting for any of those!
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I agree they're all a bunch of crooked wack-jobs
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Why is McCain winning the Republicans votes? He's more liberal than anything else!
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Reaction against the Texecutioner?
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Not at all sure that Clinton's private life is (or should be) relevant to anything (must less if we are talking about Mrs Clinton - is she to suffer once for having to live with her husbands adultery, and again because she is somehow to be considered guilty by association with her husband of adultery?).
This is not to say I would support her, or any of the others, but I just cannot see that the argument her husband committed adultery should reflect adversely upon her seems rather silly.
As for John McCain, yes he is 72, but only 6 years older than Winston Churchill was when he first became Prime Minister, and only two years older than Ronald Reagan when he came to office. It is true that both men, by the time they finally left office, were past their best; but that was some years later (in Churchill's case, another 15 years later). On the other hand, it was not Churchill, but his successor, who was 23 years his junior, who walked us into the Suez debacle. Then again, with the fiasco of youth we have seen with politicians who have great TV images, but no actual judgement, that we have seen in recent years; is a bit of maturity really a bad thing (or we we applaud the removal of Ming Campbell as Liberal leader on the grounds of age discrimination)?
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Not at all sure that Clinton's private life is (or should be) relevant to anything (must less if we are talking about Mrs Clinton - is she to suffer once for having to live with her husbands adultery, and again because she is somehow to be considered guilty by association with her husband of adultery?).
It could be argued that it shows very bad judgment on her part. Naming her daughter Chelsea certainly does!
Say what you like about Reagan, but he was a great statesman and had a massive personality that helped him in office. Churchill was a political giant. I don't think McCain fits into either of those categories.
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Not at all sure that Clinton's private life is (or should be) relevant to anything (must less if we are talking about Mrs Clinton - is she to suffer once for having to live with her husbands adultery, and again because she is somehow to be considered guilty by association with her husband of adultery?).
It could be argued that it shows very bad judgment on her part. Naming her daughter Chelsea certainly does!
You mean that in 1975, she should have anticipated that decades later he would turn to adultery? That having been said, while I am not condoning adultery, of all the sins a man can commit against his wife, it is not the worst.
It also has to be remembered that Bill Clinton was the third youngest President of the USA - thus one should take this into account when one condemns McCain for being old.
Say what you like about Reagan, but he was a great statesman and had a massive personality that helped him in office. Churchill was a political giant. I don't think McCain fits into either of those categories.
I am not saying whether McCain is of the same calibre as a politician, I am merely saying that the criteria has nothing to do with age (although if you had asked most people about Churchill as a potential Prime Minister in 1938 they would have probably laughed at you - and to be honest, although Churchill was a good wartime leader, he was never a good minister, either as Prime Minister, or in most other ministerial role - he has a long list of significant mistakes to his credit).
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Obama is my homeboy!
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Obama is my homeboy!
.....you can have him!
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I thought our choice of potential Prime Ministers here in the U.K. was poor. But the candidates for the U.S. Presidency - sheesh!
You have the wife of a serial adulterer who named her daughter after an English football club that's owned by a Grand Poobah of the Russian mafia, a cross between Jessie Jackson & Osama Bin Laden who I'm sure I've seen playing the part of a Lycra-clad sausage vendor in a dodgy video, and a grave-dodger who may not even last to see the election.
Land Of The Brave? Yeah... you'd be brave voting for any of those!
You are so right! What do you do when you don't like ANY of the candidates?
....as for Hillary...I didn't like her the first time she was president!
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You are so right! What do you do when you don't like ANY of the candidates?
....as for Hillary...I didn't like her the first time she was president!
But I really don't think that is much different to the state of politics in much of the world. If I had to vote for one of the parties we have here, I could not do so with any conviction for any of them. It is a fair comment on the state of democracy in those countries that claim to support democratic ideals.
I just don't agree one bit with the reasons Beaver gave for his dislike of the candidates.
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George - perhaps I should take my tongue out of my cheek now [:P]
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I thought our choice of potential Prime Ministers here in the U.K. was poor. But the candidates for the U.S. Presidency - sheesh!
Are you KIDDING me??!!!
In all the years that I have been voting and involved in politics this is the FIRST ELECTION EVER that I can truely say that I am choosing the best among a number of very suitable candidates instead of trying to pick the less of multiple evils from a cest-pool of scum.
Of the candidates remaining in the race as long as we don't end up with Hillary or Huckabee I'm optimistic about the future for the first time in seven years.
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I made an error & apologise unreservedly. I thought that people would realise this was a tongue-in-cheek thread - especially with the reference to Chelsea Football Club - but I was mistaken.
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I made an error & apologise unreservedly. I thought that people would realise this was a tongue-in-cheek thread - especially with the reference to Chelsea Football Club - but I was mistaken.
Sometimes, things written down look different than they sound in your head - it happens.
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Why is McCain winning the Republicans votes? He's more liberal than anything else!
For one thing McCain says he doesn't know anything about economics. . . how in the world has he had a senate seat for so long then???
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Sadly my b-day falls in the wrong place & I can't vote [:(] But if I could. . . for Democrats I'd say Obama is the better choice (Clinton scares me). And as for Republicans I would've picked that Romney fellow. But since he dropped out, now I'm afraid of McCain too!!!!! [:-\] (Please don't hate me for my views of candidates [8)])
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Who says McCain knows nothing about economics? He admited that it wasn't his greatest strong suit, but that just implys that he is stronger in other areas, not that he is absolutely clueless in this one. Plus everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. The important thing in a politician (especially the president) is not that they are an expert in every subject, its that they will be able to choose good advisors to place around them, and will be willing to listen to the advice of those people.
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I do agree that good government is about good teamwork, and too much reliance on a leader that has all the expertise in his own hands is counter-productive.
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The best leader, whether of companies, military or any other large endeavor are those who delegate authority. Economics goes to the experts.
But as a person who has had to deal with health issues and before I could get any governmental help I had to sell my house, get rid of any assets and get onto the public dole. Even then I had to somehow survive during the year waiting period before I was eligible to participate or have and government support. Republicans - McCain - are for doing away with such "entitlement" programs.
I am voting Democrat - probably Obama - in the primary and the same in the general election. They are for universal health care. I don't like Obama's position on it but it would add to what I now get.
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i'm voting (voted) Obama too. But I DO have to point out this:
you think you waited in line for healthcare when you were one of the small percentage of americans in the publlic system. just wait and see how long the "lines" are when the entire country is in the system.
I agree with the democrats (and Republicand for that matter) that we need a better way of making sure more people (ideally all people) in our country can afford propper healthcare. however there are just too many ways that a universal single-payer program would diminish the quality of healthcare for everyone who already has it.
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Who says McCain knows nothing about economics? He admited that it wasn't his greatest strong suit, but that just implys that he is stronger in other areas, not that he is absolutely clueless in this one. Plus everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. The important thing in a politician (especially the president) is not that they are an expert in every subject, its that they will be able to choose good advisors to place around them, and will be willing to listen to the advice of those people.
I know everyone has their own s + w, but come on!!! Our 'poor' economy and security of our country is at stake!!!!
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yes, there is a lot at stake, which is why we need to elect the best candidate. my point is, when the decision is so important a candidate shouldn't be discarded just for being honest about their respective competencies.
good economic policy is going to be very important in the coming years; however, that's what a president has advisors for. even if we elect a president who claims to be an economic expert, he's not going to be the one coming up with any of the actual policies. Just because I don't know how to build a car, doesn't mean I can't be an effective CEO of General Motors; coversley, just because I CAN build a car doesn't mean I WOULD be an effective GM CEO.
also, even though he admits economics isn't his strong suit, that doesn't mean he's a bumbling idiot when it comes to the subject. I'd be willing to bet he knows more about economics than any of us. And I have a college degree in econ.
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Speaking of national economics - a defence budget of 1 TRILLION dollars! [:0]
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I know - it is a war we never should have entered. It was planned before 9/11 according to an investigative reported peddling a new book he has researched.
They are also seizing computers coming into the country and not giving them back to any of the persons from whom they were seized. I am really worried about our so-called democracy.
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you think you waited in line for healthcare when you were one of the small percentage of americans in the publlic system. just wait and see how long the "lines" are when the entire country is in the system.
I agree with the democrats (and Republicand for that matter) that we need a better way of making sure more people (ideally all people) in our country can afford propper healthcare. however there are just too many ways that a universal single-payer program would diminish the quality of healthcare for everyone who already has it.
We have a national public health care system. It is an atrocious system, with many many things wrong with it, and getting worse by the day; but is still miles better than what most US citizens have to manage with at present in regard to health care for those who don't have empoyer's health insurance (and even some who do).
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What ever happened to the country that our founding fathers dreamed of??
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What ever happened to the country that our founding fathers dreamed of??
They called it Canada! (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Flol%2F4.gif&hash=dc0017defb1737ae43c0ff6efcb35b2a)
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What ever happened to the country that our founding fathers dreamed of??
You mean the nation that openly embraced slavery (I know that it was a controversial issue, even amongst the founding fathers, but in the end, it was accepted).
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What ever happened to the country that our founding fathers dreamed of??
it got hi-jacked by neo-con's and evangelical religous fundamentalists.