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Life Sciences => Physiology & Medicine => Topic started by: Europan Ocean on 27/10/2022 10:38:06
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(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/home/bm/Downloads/catplug.png)
What is happening with this cat and a device implanted in it's head? The plug looks like a monitor plug. The image is from PETA animal rights group. Just wonder what the experiment is for and if it is worthwhile?
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Just wonder what the experiment is for and if it is worthwhile?
You need to find out who is running the experiment and ask them.
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Sorry but the Image seems like a Fake.
Could you Please share more Details about the Source.
A Link would be of Great Help.
Thanks!
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Looks dodgy to me too. A d-type connector with some oversize bolts. I know nothing about cgi but I have heard these sort of images are easily concocted.
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Cats need your help!
Brain research requires accessing the brain.
- Doing early research on humans would be considered unethical until it has been proven to provide real benefits in animal trials.
- A lot of brain research was conducted on the nervous system of the worm C.Elegans; researchers have documented every neuron in its brain. ...it made scientific headlines a few years ago when some researchers discovered a new neuron that hadn't previously been documented!
- Most laboratory testing of mammalian brain function is done on rodents. Their brains are so complex that researchers struggle to understand it. Recently, optogenetics has been used, so there is an optical fiber connection to the brain, rather than an electrical plug
I do not see so much public support for the following campaigns:
C.Elegans need your help!
Rats need your help!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caenorhabditis_elegans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optogenetics
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If they could put USB sockets on their heads that would be pretty cool. You could pet you cat while charging your phone.
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At the least, I'd want to know how old the picture is.
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To the OP.
It's Absolutely OK & Understandable if you were mislead by the Image.
PETA sometimes is notoriously famous for Manipulation.
P.S. - Although the Cause is Noble, the Effect is Misleading.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646004/Kittens-skulls-cracked-opens-electrodes-inserted-brains-shocking-series-experiments-University-College-London.html#ixzz33Tu5Xlc8
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"A spokesman for University College London said the experiments mentioned in the article were carried out in 1992 and 1998."
The Daily Fail- rehashing 30 year old news.
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Apologies towards the OP for Skepticism over the Image.
Appreciation towards Petro for providing a Valid Link.
" Quite apart from the suffering caused, these appalling procedures are highly unlikely to contribute to medical progress, since the results of animal experiments cannot be reliably translated to humans. "
P.S. - Simply Horrendous!
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these appalling procedures are highly unlikely to contribute to medical progress, since the results of animal experiments cannot be reliably translated to humans.
Got evidence?
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these appalling procedures are highly unlikely to contribute to medical progress, since the results of animal experiments cannot be reliably translated to humans.
Got evidence?
Thank You for finally breaking thru the sour pickled ice that was formed between Us.
First off, i Apologize for the past UGLY stand off which We had.
Ideally I should Not have chosen Rude words, it was uncalled for.
If possible, Please do Forget it & Forgive Me!
Think off it in terms of a 5 year old picking his nose, chewing boogers, yelling " You're Dirty "!
Moving on...
I made a Mistake..
I copy pasted that paragraph out of the Daily Snail article link that Petro had provided.
Forgot to mention it.
Next...
To address the Question you asked.
I Believe We both Know the Answer to it.
There is No Evidence to support the claim, & Alot of Evidence Against it.
I'm also Aware that it was the views of an Animal Rights Activist, hence bound to be Biased.
But i Still cannot Help myself from Believing his words.
I have Very Little understanding of Anatomies of Species.
But the closest match to the human species can only be a Human.
So for Clinical Trials to be Reliable, human testing is the Best bet.
But i also Understand that universities & research institutions would Not go thru with animal experimentations, if already proven to be unfruitful.
It would simply be a waste of their time, money, resources & cute kittens.
I do Not know how to explain it to You that when it comes to Animal Rights & specifically PETA, it's not really about the Facts or Evidences...it's rather about Ethics & Morals.
Hence even Irrationality at times seems like the best course of action.
I realise how Important & Beneficial clinical trials are, but I'm simply Not okay with them being performed Without Prior Consent of the participants.
i could go cherry picking on the internet to provide links of failed experiments & failed clinical trials & dead ends researches to support my beliefs...but i won't...so consider this as a Victory for yourself & smile & be happey!
P.S. - Even thou Knowing & Admitting the Effects to be Manipulative, i still choose to Believe & Support the Cause, coz i Understand it to be a Noble one.
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Hence even Irrationality at times seems like the best course of action.
Politicians employ dead cats for the same reason.
It's to stop you thinking.
An equally unsupported assertion about the experiments from an equally biased source says "Blakemore has said of the research that it was directly applicable to humans, and that "[t]hanks to it, and similar research, we now know why conditions like amblyopia – the most common form of child blindness – occur and are now able to tackle it and think of ways of preventing it.""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Blakemore
It's hard to verify, but it's also hard to write it off as impossible.
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Hence even Irrationality at times seems like the best course of action.
Politicians employ dead cats for the same reason.
It's to stop you thinking.
An equally unsupported assertion about the experiments from an equally biased source says "Blakemore has said of the research that it was directly applicable to humans, and that "[t]hanks to it, and similar research, we now know why conditions like amblyopia – the most common form of child blindness – occur and are now able to tackle it and think of ways of preventing it.""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Blakemore
It's hard to verify, but it's also hard to write it off as impossible.
Sir Colin Blakemore, FRS, FMedSci, HonFRCP, HonFRSM, FRSB, FBPhS
When a Man with that many Credentials speaks...a LayMan like me just shuts up & listens to what he has to say & ends up Believing ever word of it.
As per my Understanding, you approach the Topic with Critical Thinking & Logical Reasoning.
Which is the Ideal way to do it.
& I'm Sure by now You Understand where the Fallacy of my Ideology lies.
Emotions!
When certain emotions are triggered, Rationality goes for a Toss.
Emotional Quotient ends up overshadowing & suppressing the Intelligence Quotient.
I Agree that the said Clinical Trials conducted to Defeat Amblyopia were Necessary & Important.
No doubt it would end up benefitting Millions of Children around the World.
Even Billions in the future.
I also Understand researchers handled the Kittens in a Humane manner, they were provided Adequate medications to mitigate Pain & were also Euthanised with proper conduct.
But alas, i still Wish they could have chosen death row inmates over the Kittens for the procedure.
Of course, with proper consent & Humane handling.
Maybe even with a possibility of sparing their Lives & setting them out on parole as a possible Reward for their willing participation.
I'm hopeful that maybe in the future things might Change in regards to Animal Testings.
Or maybe Not!
P.S. - A Manipulative PETA employee might be Successful in convincing me to Donate my body in the name of Sciences.
But a Trustworthy Politician would Fail miserably to make me even part off of my nail clippings.
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But alas, i still Wish they could have chosen death row inmates
Would you like to start the debate on the death penalty here or elsewhere?
Have a look at the countries that still kill their citizens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country
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But alas, i still Wish they could have chosen death row inmates
Would you like to start the debate on the death penalty here or elsewhere?
Have a look at the countries that still kill their citizens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country
Your proposition is Correct.
The essence of this OP is PETA.
And it is related to Animal Cruelty & Suffering.
We both could/would/should Agree that Humans are also Animals.
But PETA has a narrow minded approach & concentrates only on the well being of Other Species.
Hence creating a separate/New OP is a valid proposal.
Anywhichways, seems like it's just U & I present in here.
& Perhaps We have pretty much driven this OP towards a Conclusion.
In other words, We've Slayed it!
It would be Nice to have more participants hence a new venue is in requirement.
Can't help but Wonder, when was the Last time You created an OP?
Well, did You ever really create one in here?
& Do You even Know how to go about doing it?
I could teach u yaa...lol
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