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General Discussion & Feedback => Just Chat! => Topic started by: dentstudent on 03/08/2007 11:16:26
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I like a nice clear overview of what's occuring, don't you?
Anyway, this was something I'd thought of but was reminded of yesterday by Paul's thread. There are many things in nature that appear similar, but are actually different. SO I thought we could post the things that are similar, and then try to find out what their differences are. Confused? Hmmmnn. So, Frogs and toads. We haven't had an answer yet but perhaps soon. Here's a couple or so for starters.....
Crocodiles, alligators, caimans
Mushrooms/toadstools
Moths/butterflies
bears/koalas/pandas
Lets get a few more, and then start posting their differences.......
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monkeys /gorillas/apes/
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Gas planets and terrestrial planets
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cats/lions/tigers
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cats/lions/tigers
Ligers and tigons.
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Oops. See Science ain't my thing. I thought they were all feline.
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Doves and pigeons
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Alligators and crocodiles
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Crocodiles, alligators, caimans
Alligators and crocodiles
Very similiar! [;)]
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Whoops I missed that one sorry!
Chameleons and Iguanas
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Karen..Why does it say last edited by Chris in your post?
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Because it happens. Although I believe that is exactly what I said. I have done that reading posts and bumped the edit on someones post and not changed anything, but had it be purely an accident, maybe I spelled something wrong as I often do.. and as I recall, I was having a great deal of trouble on that particular post with the spell check! LOL
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That's just different. I was searching the forum before I left and I found somemore like that. It's wierd. I see I see!
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Good! No biggie!
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Horses & donkeys
Microsoft software & a dysfunctional chemical toilet [:D]
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LOL LOL Really similar!
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things that kill plants and me...
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Karen..Why does it say last edited by Chris in your post?
It was a spelling error - I think Karen put camelions, though what a big cat with a hump has to do with anything I don't know!
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Karen..Why does it say last edited by Chris in your post?
It was a spelling error - I think Karen put camelions, though what a big cat with a hump has to do with anything I don't know!
If you were a lion, you'd get the hump if someone called you a camel [:D]
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Karen..Why does it say last edited by Chris in your post?
It was a spelling error - I think Karen put camelions, though what a big cat with a hump has to do with anything I don't know!
Thanks for the info. Now I"m going to ban myself from this thread. LoL.
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Oops. See Science ain't my thing. I thought they were all feline.
If you mean ligers and tigons, they are feline.
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I thought Liger was a now-defunkt French F1 team [???]
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I thought Liger was a now-defunkt French F1 team [???]
Both ligers and tigons are tiger/lion crosses, but liger has a lion for a father, and tiger for a mother, while a tigon is the converse.
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Oops. See Science ain't my thing. I thought they were all feline.
If you mean ligers and tigons, they are feline.
Then why don't a household cat count? Because it is domesticated?
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Oops. See Science ain't my thing. I thought they were all feline.
If you mean ligers and tigons, they are feline.
Then why don't a household cat count? Because it is domesticated?
Not sure that anybody said they do or don't count - difficult to know who set the roles for this thread - the person who set the rules had better set a judge to adjudicate upon those rules [:D]
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I thought Liger was a now-defunkt French F1 team [???]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligier
Ligier is a French automobile maker created by former racing driver and rugby player Guy Ligier.
Note: liger ≠ ligier
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Actually George you said it wasn't right!! LoL!
cats/lions/tigers
Ligers and tigons.
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I think some of you are getting a little confused...........well, that's they way it looks to me.........although it could be me who is confused..........darn, you've confused me
Microsoft software & a dysfunctional chemical toilet [:D]
LOL
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Microsoft software & a dysfunctional chemical toilet [:D]
Mircosoft ain't that bad..LoL.
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Microsoft software & a dysfunctional chemical toilet [:D]
Mircosoft ain't that bad..LoL.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Flol%2F1.gif&hash=d8e6686452e290c988dbac6c3e01d75a)
It's overweight, slow, bug-ridden, crashes more often than Eval Kneival (sp?), flies in the face of standardisation, the bits don't talk to each other properly, easy to hack into... but I suppose being young, & raised on a diet of Microsoft with everything, you don't know any different.
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Because it was what you look up on the internet Doc..LoL. Mine don't have that problem :). LoL.
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Actually George you said it wasn't right!! LoL!
cats/lions/tigers
Ligers and tigons.
Still perplexed where you deduce that from.
I quoted your message because it was your inclusion of lions and tigers that lead me to think of ligers and tigons, but not because I was in any way trying to correct your suggestion (as I said, nobody has given any criteria for judging correctness, so it would not have been easy to justify a suggestion of incorrectness).
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On a broader level, all things that are opposites are both similar but different; although it is by no means the case that all things that are similar but different are necessarily opposites.
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I thought Liger was a now-defunkt French F1 team [???]
Arf arf!
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Because it was what you look up on the internet Doc..LoL. Mine don't have that problem :). LoL.
Eh? What's that supposed to mean?
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Is that boy referring to porn doc? LOL LOL.. I always heard that it screws up microsoft stuff fast!
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BTW.. Good Morning Doc!
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There's a load of stuff on this thread that I don't understand! All we're doing is finding things that apparently appear similar and which people often confuse. Seals, sealions and walrusses, for example, or perhaps a more common one buffalo and bison. Now of course, everyone knows you can't wash your hands in a buffalo, so that's cleared that up......
Indian and African elephants.
Wolves, foxes, dogs, hyenas
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There's a load of stuff on this thread that I don't understand! All we're doing is finding things that apparently appear similar and which people often confuse. Seals, sealions and walrusses, for example, or perhaps a more common one buffalo and bison. Now of course, everyone knows you can't wash your hands in a buffalo, so that's cleared that up......
Indian and African elephants.
Wolves, foxes, dogs, hyenas
Could I add coyotes to that!
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Wolves, foxes, dogs, hyenas
Could I add coyotes to that!
and Jackals!
Dolphins and porpoises
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weasels and ferrets
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So - this is the list to date. Unless anyone would like to add some extra ones,, shall we start unravelling the differences? Ligers and Tigons seems to be pretty well covered, so let's go and sort the others out!
Crocodiles, alligators, caimans
Mushrooms/toadstools
Moths/butterflies
bears/koalas/pandas
monkeys /gorillas/apes/
Gas planets and terrestrial planets
cats/lions/tigers
Ligers and tigons
Both ligers and tigons are tiger/lion crosses, but liger has a lion for a father, and tiger for a mother, while a tigon is the converse.
Doves and pigeons
Chameleons and Iguanas
Horses & donkeys, mules, asses
Indian and African elephants.
Wolves, foxes, dogs, hyenas, coyotes, jackals
Dolphins and porpoises
weasels, ferrets, stoats and mink
Rhinos and hippos
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Rhinos and hippos
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Mushrooms and toadstools:
There is actually no scientific difference between these two. There is perhaps an intuitive answer that states that toadstools are poisonous and mushrooms are edible, but I think that this is ill-defined. It may come from the fact that in German, the word for death is "tod" which sounds like "toad", and of course there is a fairy-tale unification between toads and where they sit. But the terms it would appear can be used synonymously, though mycologists (those who study fungi) seem to only use mushroom.
Mushrooms are actually only the fruiting body, or flower of the fungus. If you look in the soil, you can often see black or white threads in a mat. These are the "body" of the fungus and can cover many tens of square metres. In fact they form the largest single living organisms known, with areas of many hectares being covered by the roots of a single fungus. These roots are called hyphae, and the whole network is called mycelium, hence a mycologist.
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Rabbits & hares
Astronomy & astrology
Whiskey & whisky
Centipedes & millipedes
Gerard Depardieu & Mr Potato Head [:D]
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Is that boy referring to porn doc? LOL LOL.. I always heard that it screws up microsoft stuff fast!
That I was that I was. That's why I don't have that problem. LoL.
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Is that boy referring to porn doc? LOL LOL.. I always heard that it screws up microsoft stuff fast!
That I was that I was. That's why I don't have that problem. LoL.
Actually I was referring to Microsoft Office.
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Now what's wrong with Office? LoL. Works good for me. Agagin :P. LoL.
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Physiologist, psychiatrist, psychoanalyst,psychic.
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I was just about to put psychiatrist/psychologist [:(]
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Now what's wrong with Office? LoL. Works good for me. Agagin :P. LoL.
You've obviously never used OpenOffice or Lotus Smartsuite.
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Lotus Smartsuite (which started life as Sumna Ami and Lotus 1-2-3, both products pre-dating Microsoft Word and Excel) used to be far better than the early Microsoft competition, but last time I looked at them, they were getting a bit long in the tooth.
OpenOffice is now my preferred office suite, although its major shortcoming from my perspective is lack of support for importing legacy documents from obsolete word processors.
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Now what's wrong with Office? LoL. Works good for me. Agagin :P. LoL.
You've obviously never used OpenOffice or Lotus Smartsuite.
Can't say I have. Thanks for the info Another!
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We had another thread about OpenOffice vs MS Office:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=8538.0
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Thanks!! I'll have to check them out since I have just heard of them today.
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Have to go Karen talk to you tomorrow.
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toes and fingers
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Where I was working a while back we had 3 different versions of Office. I created an Access database on 1 and found that none of the other PCs on the network could read it. I'd created it in Access 2000 and the other machines were running Office 2003 and Vista. I'd created it on the oldest system expecting the newer ones to be able to read it. Oh no, that's be too easy!
I had to import & convert the database into the others to be able to use it but then the original machine couldn't read it. No matter which version of Access I created a db with, the others couldn't use it without importing & converting it on each. As we all wanted to use & update the database on a regular basis, that was not a lot of good.
I asked the boss if I could install OpenOffice, he agreed, and the problem was solved. It could read all versions of the db without any problem.
I had a similar problem with a couple of Excel spreadsheets too & OpenOffice read them with no trouble.
That's the sort of thing I meant when I said different bits of MS Office don't talk to each other.
Actually, in the end I developed a php/MySQL (both open source) system for which my boss paid me quite handsomely [:P]
And that's brings to mind another point; don't use MSsql or MS server II - they're useless. Use MySQL & either RedHat or Joomla for the server.
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Now I'm confused. Joomla is a content management software, not an OS, whereas RedHat is a particular flavour of Linux (not sure what you have against Debian/Ubuntu, or numerous other flavours of Linux). How does Joomla nad RedHat become an 'or' rather than an 'and'?
MySQL is good (I use it a lot), but it has its weaknesses. It is fast, but not 100% standards compliant, and lacking some functionality (although both of these factors keep getting addressed with each new version). Postgres is more standards compliant, and has more extensive functionality. MySQL has only started to support views in version 5.0. Possibly with 5.0 it has caught up with much of what the standards demand (have not checked to see if there are still omissions or not - although the online manual suggests that stored procedures are still work in progress).
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you know charlie brown's mom's voice in the cartoon? that's how this all just sounded to me when i read it. lol
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you know charlie brown's mom's voice in the cartoon? that's how this all just sounded to me when i read it. lol
I know exactly what you mean!
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Crocodiles, alligators, caimans
Mushrooms/toadstools
There is actually no scientific difference between these two. There is perhaps an intuitive answer that states that toadstools are poisonous and mushrooms are edible, but I think that this is ill-defined. It may come from the fact that in German, the word for death is "tod" which sounds like "toad", and of course there is a fairy-tale unification between toads and where they sit. But the terms it would appear can be used synonymously, though mycologists (those who study fungi) seem to only use mushroom.
Mushrooms are actually only the fruiting body, or flower of the fungus. If you look in the soil, you can often see black or white threads in a mat. These are the "body" of the fungus and can cover many tens of square metres. In fact they form the largest single living organisms known, with areas of many hectares being covered by the roots of a single fungus. These roots are called hyphae, and the whole network is called mycelium, hence a mycologist.
Moths/butterflies
bears/koalas/pandas
monkeys /gorillas/apes
Gas planets and terrestrial planets
cats/lions/tigers
Ligers and tigons
Both ligers and tigons are tiger/lion crosses, but liger has a lion for a father, and tiger for a mother, while a tigon is the converse.
Doves and pigeons
Chameleons and Iguanas
Horses & donkeys, mules, asses
Indian and African elephants.
Wolves, foxes, dogs, hyenas, coyotes, jackals
Dolphins and porpoises
weasels, ferrets, stoats and mink
Rhinos and hippos
Rabbits & hares
Rabbits and hares both stem from the same Order and Family of mammals (Lagamorpha, Leporidae). Hares are generally larger than rabbits though of course there are exceptions. There are rather few key differences between the two species, but are as follows:
Rabbits give birth to their young in the burrow. Hares give birth above ground.
The young born to hares (leverets) are furry and are able to see. Rabbit young are born blind and hairless. This is the adaptation in response to their respective birthing sites. Hares generally live as individuals, rather than the groups in which rabbits live. A group of burrows forming a “village” is called a warren. Rabbits have been bred for food and for domestication. Hares are also used as a food source, though have not been domesticated. Rabbits can be a pain in the neck – ask an Australian! Rabbits introduced to new areas such as Australia can experience a population explosion in the absence of natural enemies, and overwhelm an ecosystem. This was combated by both human and biological controls, such as shooting and myxomatosis or latterly calicivirus.
Astronomy & astrology
Whiskey & whisky
Centipedes & millipedes
Physiologist, psychiatrist, psychoanalyst, psychic.
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Where I was working a while back we had 3 different versions of Office. I created an Access database on 1 and found that none of the other PCs on the network could read it. I'd created it in Access 2000 and the other machines were running Office 2003 and Vista. I'd created it on the oldest system expecting the newer ones to be able to read it. Oh no, that's be too easy!
I had to import & convert the database into the others to be able to use it but then the original machine couldn't read it. No matter which version of Access I created a db with, the others couldn't use it without importing & converting it on each. As we all wanted to use & update the database on a regular basis, that was not a lot of good.
I asked the boss if I could install OpenOffice, he agreed, and the problem was solved. It could read all versions of the db without any problem.
I had a similar problem with a couple of Excel spreadsheets too & OpenOffice read them with no trouble.
That's the sort of thing I meant when I said different bits of MS Office don't talk to each other.
Actually, in the end I developed a php/MySQL (both open source) system for which my boss paid me quite handsomely [:P]
And that's brings to mind another point; don't use MSsql or MS server II - they're useless. Use MySQL & either RedHat or Joomla for the server.
OK Doc I'm good now. LoL.
And Whoever got the information on Rabbits and Hares Thanks!!!!!
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And Whoever got the information on Rabbits and Hares Thanks!!!!!
You're welcome!
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Good Job!
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George - Joomla itself is indeed a CMS but I was referring to JSAS (Joomla Stand-Alone Server). I was remiss in not making that clear. Xampp is another good 1.
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In fact they form the largest single living organisms known, with areas of many hectares being covered by the roots of a single fungus. These roots are called hyphae, and the whole network is called mycelium, hence a mycologist.
I did mean to reply to this earlier. Time, if only there was more.
Humungous fungus: world's largest organism?
Thursday, 10 April 2003
Armillaria fungus mushrooms: could this be the largest single organism on Earth (Pic: USDA)
The discovery of the world's largest fungus - up to 8,500 years old and carperting nearly 10 square kilometres of forest floor - has raised questions about what constitutes an individual organism.
A study of a tree-killing fungus in rugged northeast Oregon, USA, found that a single individual covered an area equivalent to about 1,600 football fields, according to a report in the current issue of the Canadian Journal of Forest Research.
"The fact that an organism like this has been growing in the forest for thousands of years really expands our view of the forest ecosystem and how it works," said Dr Catherine Parks, a pathologist at the U.S. Department of Agriculture who led the study. "From a broad scientific view, it challenges what we think of as an individual organism."
The fungus is the most outstanding known individual of the Armillaria ostoyae species, which grows in high-latitude northern hemisphere forests and causes large production losses due to root disease. It lives in the soil and spreads mainly along tree roots by shoestring-like threads called rhizomorphs. Apart from dead and dying trees, its only surface evidence are its fruiting bodies, known commonly as honey mushrooms.
The researchers discovered the giant fungus in the Malheur National Forest, some 590,000 hectares of rugged high-desert grasslands, pine forests and alpine lakes. Elevations range from 1,200 to 2,750 metres, the highest point being the Strawberry Mountain range that passes from east to west and through the forest.
A section of the Malheur forest affected by the fungus (Pic: USDA)
The single organism discovered has yielded new insights into a fungus' role in forest ecology. It had been thought that Armillaria fungi grew in distinct clusters within forests, visible from the air by ring-shaped patches of dead trees.
But when the researchers collected samples of fungus from 9.65 square km of discontinuous dead patches in the Oregon forest and grew them together in laboratory Petri dishes, they did not react to each other as they would to alien individuals.
"The technique is actually very simple and makes use of this fungus's own ability to distinguish one individual from another," Parks said.
The results confirmed the identical genetic make-up of all the samples. The researchers were surprised that such well-separated clusters of fungus represented the spread of a single individual. They estimated its age at somewhere between 2,000 and 8,500 years.
"It's one organism that began as a microscopic spore and then grew vegetatively, like a plant," she said. "If you could take away the soil and look at it, it's just one big heap of fungus with all of these filaments that go out under the surface."
Forest managers had thought that the deliberate suppression of wildfires worsened the spread of the fungus: "But because this fungus is thousands of years old, and grew long before fire systems were influenced by man, this isn't the case. It also means that fire does not naturally control this disease."
The researchers now believe the fungus is part of the natural cycle of renewal and decline within forests and that it is often present in areas with little obvious tree damage.
Forest managers may be more cautious about using selective tree-cutting aimed at controlling fungal spread: "After you cut an infected tree, the entire root system can be colonised by the fungus, which then increases the disease potential around that area."
Planting species less susceptible to the fungus - such as western larch, western white pine and ponderosa pine - and harvesting susceptible individuals during thinning would reduce the fungus's impact on forest yields, she said.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/enviro/EnviroRepublish_828525.htm
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Since Karen asked about frogs and toads, I though that we could resurrect this thread.....and perhaps add some answers?
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Good idea.. what's the differences?
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The difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist is about £100 an hour [:)]
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LOL..LOL..That's very good!