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Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/04/2020 10:52:35Quote from: CliveG on 07/04/2020 07:28:57There is a book called "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel which deals with the evidence for Christ as if it were a legal matter to prove. He says legally anyone would win a legal case based on the evidence considered admissible.Yes, he says that.It may not be true, but he says it anyway.https://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/strobel.htmlThe one thing you can say with certainty is that half the people in a courtroom are lying. It is the job of the judge and jury to decide which. And a lot depends on presentation, not facts: "He who defends himself has a fool for a client".
Quote from: CliveG on 07/04/2020 07:28:57There is a book called "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel which deals with the evidence for Christ as if it were a legal matter to prove. He says legally anyone would win a legal case based on the evidence considered admissible.Yes, he says that.It may not be true, but he says it anyway.https://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/strobel.html
There is a book called "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel which deals with the evidence for Christ as if it were a legal matter to prove. He says legally anyone would win a legal case based on the evidence considered admissible.
Bruce Metzger, considered the greatest textual critic of the 20th century said the most confirmed piece of ancient history is that the apostles were certain Christ rose from the dead.
God doesn't play dice.
Quote from: duffyd on 07/04/2020 13:37:43God doesn't play dice.Nor do unicorns, and for the same reason.
Smoking and air pollution make people more susceptible to dying from Covid-19. Yet electrosmog is said be absolutely safe. Not according to my experience opinion.
Smoking and air pollution make people more susceptible to dying from Covid-19. Yet electrosmog is said be absolutely safe. Not according to my experience.https://magdahavas.com/corona-virus-and-5g-is-there-a-connection/...March 21, 2020. Several people have asked me the question that is circulating among EMF experts, “Is there a connection between the outbreak of the Covid-19 and deployment of 5G networks around the world?”...The best scientific evidence we have is that exposure to electrosmog (non-ionizing radiation from power frequencies to microwaves) impairs the immune system. This is well documented in the scientific literature. If your immune system is compromised because of electrosmog or because of certain medications you are taking or because you are elderly or very young you are likely to have a more severe and/or prolonged response to CoVId-19....We have evidence that some people have an autonomic nervous system response to microwave radiation....We have evidence that some individuals develop rouleau of their red blood cells. In other words, their red blood cells instead of repelling each other begin to stick together making the blood more viscous. This could impede oxygen delivery to cells making breathing more laboured....Some claim that the CoVic-19 outbreak was more severe in areas that had deployed 5G millimetre waves early and that somehow this radiation is making the virus more infectious or that people are responding to the millimetre waves rather than the virus. This is a possibility but currently there is no evidence to support this assertion. We have evidence that some infectious agents became more virulent following deployment of other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum and an excellent book on this is “The Invisible Rainbow” by Arthur Firstenberg
Quote from: duffyd on 07/04/2020 09:00:02confirmed as the fact that Nero was an emperor?Quote from: duffyd on 07/04/2020 09:00:02Quote from: duffyd on 07/04/2020 07:47:18Nothing compares to the return on investment as the Big Board,Over long periods of time, an S&P 500 index fund has historically produced total returns in the 9–10% range.Meanwhile, real estate prices tend to outpace inflation, but not by much.Rule of 72 means that at 10% you double your money in 7.2 years. The double-slit experiment. ... Most discussions of double-slit experiments with particles refer to Feynman's quote in his lectures: “We choose to examine a phenomenon which is impossible, absolutely impossible, to explain in any classical way, and which has in it the heart of quantum mechanics.Sep 1, 2002God doesn't play dice.
confirmed as the fact that Nero was an emperor?
Quote from: duffyd on 07/04/2020 07:47:18Nothing compares to the return on investment as the Big Board,Over long periods of time, an S&P 500 index fund has historically produced total returns in the 9–10% range.Meanwhile, real estate prices tend to outpace inflation, but not by much.Rule of 72 means that at 10% you double your money in 7.2 years.
Nothing compares to the return on investment as the Big Board,
Quote from: CliveG on 07/04/2020 17:31:02Smoking and air pollution make people more susceptible to dying from Covid-19. Yet electrosmog is said be absolutely safe. Not according to my experience.https://magdahavas.com/corona-virus-and-5g-is-there-a-connection/...March 21, 2020. Several people have asked me the question that is circulating among EMF experts, “Is there a connection between the outbreak of the Covid-19 and deployment of 5G networks around the world?”...The best scientific evidence we have is that exposure to electrosmog (non-ionizing radiation from power frequencies to microwaves) impairs the immune system. This is well documented in the scientific literature. If your immune system is compromised because of electrosmog or because of certain medications you are taking or because you are elderly or very young you are likely to have a more severe and/or prolonged response to CoVId-19....We have evidence that some people have an autonomic nervous system response to microwave radiation....We have evidence that some individuals develop rouleau of their red blood cells. In other words, their red blood cells instead of repelling each other begin to stick together making the blood more viscous. This could impede oxygen delivery to cells making breathing more laboured....Some claim that the CoVic-19 outbreak was more severe in areas that had deployed 5G millimetre waves early and that somehow this radiation is making the virus more infectious or that people are responding to the millimetre waves rather than the virus. This is a possibility but currently there is no evidence to support this assertion. We have evidence that some infectious agents became more virulent following deployment of other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum and an excellent book on this is “The Invisible Rainbow” by Arthur FirstenbergYes.And the paper they cite says this (with my emphasis)"In this review, the impacts of weak RF/MW fields, including cell phone radiation, on various immune functions, both in vitro and in vivo, are discussed. The bulk of available evidence clearly indicates that various shifts in the number and/or activity of immunocompetent cells are possible, however the results are inconsistent. For example, a number of lymphocyte functions have been found to be enhanced and weakened within single experiments based on exposure to similar intensities of MW radiation."Do you understand what that's saying.there is no consistent effect.And that's the paper the people plugging the idea cite as "evidence".What does that say about the rest of the research?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 06/04/2020 13:06:17Quote from: CliveG on 06/04/2020 13:03:02Tell me why I am wrong.I don't know why you are wrong. I'm guessing at willful ignorance. It's not as if you haven't been told the real facts.Don't you understand that the vaccine prevents many thousands of cases each year (and reduces the impact of tens of thousands more)?If you don't understand that, you should learn more before you post more.If you do understand that many cases are prevented, you shouldn't say " influenza continues to defeat every attempt to prevent or cure it"But, yet you do.Why is that?Why do you say stuff that you should know is nonsense?You make me sigh a lot. Sigh. Why do you persist in trying to prove yourself right and prove others always wrong?We have flu all the time. Some seasons are worse. The vaccines are only effective for a particular strain which often is not the latest. So what if you prevent some illnesses. The basic statement is that influenza continues to plague humankind in its various forms and science is has not won the battle as it has with other diseases. The age-old technique of isolation (voluntary or by die-off of pockets) is the only technique we have to resist the spread.
Quote from: CliveG on 06/04/2020 13:03:02Tell me why I am wrong.I don't know why you are wrong. I'm guessing at willful ignorance. It's not as if you haven't been told the real facts.Don't you understand that the vaccine prevents many thousands of cases each year (and reduces the impact of tens of thousands more)?If you don't understand that, you should learn more before you post more.If you do understand that many cases are prevented, you shouldn't say " influenza continues to defeat every attempt to prevent or cure it"But, yet you do.Why is that?Why do you say stuff that you should know is nonsense?
Tell me why I am wrong.
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Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/04/2020 17:16:51Quote from: duffyd on 07/04/2020 13:37:43God doesn't play dice.Nor do unicorns, and for the same reason.And you know because you go out and play with those unicorns. They simply refuse to gamble (they do gambol - right?).
Quote from: duffyd on 07/04/2020 18:15:08 this user is currently not responding to messages from;BoredChemistBut you just did. Is this another manifestation of the Cretan Conundrum?
A slow day. I was about to post that an absence of posts from CliveG does not mean an absence of CliveG. Although a sudden departure may mean exactly that.Just a small comment. My wife's daughter-in-law is a doctor who works at the large public hospitals in Joburg. Bugs seem to circulate a lot. She had been sick with a chest infection for a while and took sick leave three weeks ago to got rid of it. Her husband (my wife's son) now has the infection. Fever, headaches and chest pains. But they have been in lock-down and the family has not left the house for nearly two weeks. If he got it from her, it is a long incubation - typical of Covid. She was tested but it was negative. We wonder if the test was negative. We wonder if she had it and got over it just when she was tested. My wife and I also had fever, headache and tightness of our chests along with fatigue a week ago.Would it be helpful to have testing that shows that shows one has had the virus and is now over it? Antigens, I think. SA has about 1,700 cases and 13 deaths. New Zealand has about 1,000 cases and 1 death. These ratios are low. I wonder why.It cannot be faith in God. SA is religious and NZ is not.
"Inconsistent effects" is not "no effects".It means there are multiple mechanism at play. After all, we are dealing with tiny effects in a human body.
It cannot be faith in God.