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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Raedon on 19/10/2004 05:52:50
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hey, first post here.
I'm no expert in the fields I'm about to theorize on but I just wanted to start a debate as I've come to realize that we exist in a reality we can't see.
"Everything" is based on something we can only call, "Impossible." In fact for -simple- things like Pi or the word infinite to exist then even 1+1=2 fails.
Now I don't want to get into Vocabulary issues on this debate because the word god registers differently for everyone. For this discussion I will be using god to mean a perfect geometer without an agenda.
God doesn't have an agenda because god does not have to deal with space time. The problem here is that we are in gods world. We are not to the left of it or under it.. this is it. That means that space time is an illusion and all theories based on space time are wrong.
Now I'm not out here saying that we don't have time or space because we do it would seem. I don't even care to fathom why this is only to think that it's important for us to experience an agenda.
Now this is just silly theory from a guy who hasn't picked up a science book sense 1996, "Algebra 101" so don't take me all seriously and start throwing stones... yet.. ;)
So let me pose this theory for debate:
there is a perfect math? power? defining everything what has been/will be. everything. How can you create a Unified Field Theory to explain everything when the Central Nervous System is so limited it can't get beyond the fact that space and time can NOT come into the equation?
Raedon
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Explain this "unified field theory". Thanks.
God is the "I AM" not "I was" ... yes...
Titanscape
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I've got to debate at a political planning and zoning meeting.. don't think I am just ignoring that question.. It's still work time in Texas.
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Originally posted by Titanscape
Explain this "unified field theory". Thanks.
Plenty of web sites on it but I'll just post the simple explaination.
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Unified field theory is sometimes called the Theory of Everything (TOE, for short): the long-sought means of tying together all known phenomena to explain the nature and behavior of all matter and energy in existence. In physics, a field refers to an area under the influence of some force, such as gravity or electricity, for example. A unified field theory would reconcile seemingly incompatible aspects of various field theories to create a single comprehensive set of equations. Such a theory could potentially unlock all the secrets of nature and make a myriad of wonders possible, including such benefits as time travel and an inexhaustible source of clean energy, among many others. According to Michio Katu, a theoretical physicist at City College, City University of New York, those in pursuit of a unified field theory seek "an equation an inch long that would allow us to read the mind of God."
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So.. this is a TEST gentlemen. :)
How does "math" work in a world where everything IS. No Time to write 2+2=4.. it just is.. no space to travel because you never move. That is our universe.
beyond the flotsum and getsum of space/time a vocabulary needs to be made to unify the impossible.
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I assume that you want to say, Human has a limitation for the understanding of the universe. I support this idea. I believe that we simply don’t want to admit that we have a limitation because till now we are the most intelligent creature in this world so we don’t have any other creatures to compare our intelligence with. All of the human knowledge is based on idea of comparison therefore if we don’t have any thing to compare with than it is very likely that we will miss calculate things.
RazaK
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Hey everyone. I wrote a thread on this subject (SOTU), but without the word god. (so forgive me if I'm starting to sound like a broken record)
"How can you create a Unified Field Theory to explain everything when the Central Nervous System is so limited it can't get beyond the fact that space and time can NOT come into the equation?"
Time is an illusion our minds construct so we can function in our environment. If our minds create the illusion of time, then our minds themselves must operate on other nonlinear principles.
So, you've said the answer is impossible for us to think of. But, we are thinking of answers, just not the right ones - yet. If we can even conceive of an answer, then it should be possible to find one. Historically, the biggest questions themselves have been flawed. Did mankind find the secret of alchemy for turning lead into gold, or did we discover the periodic table instead...
The model for the universe that I like, is two mirrors that reflect each other. They give the illusion of complexity and infinity, and the whole thing gets simpler the further away you are when you observe it. If the universe is like those mirrors, it would explain why things could go on forever and be arranged differently everywhere, but still appear very organized and consistent.
Furthermore, what would be the purpose of the god - why is anything possible in the first place? Maybe some unfathomable mass of awareness observed itself, and we're the result of that.
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If we need time to make comparisons, and comparisons to understand things... How'd we determine the universe can't be explained by time? ;)
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In abstract space everything is possible.
But some higher abstraction levels are not consistent with abstractions achieved in its past history. (e.g real numbers Vs. Extended real number or Classical convergence Vs. Zeta regularised convergence)
Which means there is no Unified abstract goal.And there are infinitely many islands of Abstracts constructs...inconsistent or independent of with each other.
We use them to define the same physical reality..
These islands of abstractions are used as Nuts , bolts , screw , sheet ,gears etc to produce a workable machine or architecture.
But because of the seperation these abstractions at best can approximate the Real situtations.. which is continuous and resilient.
We may construct an aeroplane but we cant construct a Bird!!
Planes crash but Birds dont.
Computers can fall into infinite loop but Life doesnt.
Buildings can crash due to architectural flaws but Nests dont.
The question is it possible in principle to construct abstract logical components to define the physical reality without creating a contradiction?
That is we fail to define abstract without real reference and real without abstract reference.
If reality is the common ground and contradiction of the type defined above is not possible then isnt Maths just a tool like hammer or screw driver or car.
Making the knowledge an industry with evolutionary links.(Toyota -82 and Toyota in 2003 were different)
If everything is just abstract then reality is an approximation of Abstract!!
This makes everything a projection of Abstract space which is you.
I claim following assertions:
If there is something to Rationalize (or structured) then
1.Abstract Domain CAN NOT be expressed without creating at least one purely Real Thought.
2.Real Domain CAN NOT be expressed without creating at least one purely Abstract Thought.
In my opinion:
The minimum Abstract Assumption required is Self or the Ego. Or the Obeserver.
The minimum Real Assumption required is a sense of quantity or measureability.