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Christendom has been a great foundation of civilization, faulted leaders yes, but the rigid Bible benevolent and wise.
Rome was a briliiant civilization with laws and rights... but also the violence and unstable government, and Nero the psychopath.
What would we have now if all we had was Mars, Bacchus, Jupiter, Atheism, Odinne...?
Karl Marx grew and thought in a society much influenced by Jesus Christ. Socialists apologise saying, in Hungary, that his ideas weren't all bad, they even resemble Jesus ideas.
I see that, even Solomon wrote that he prayed as wisdom, not to have too much or too little. For relationship, nice.
But we see in Marx applied that the principles were called "social" but Russia was not according to and isn't a principled people now, after decades of forced atheism.
Atheist sure have fun sometimes but they really aren't out to be benevolent. It is spiritual and sometimes religious people who want more than pleasures and self interest.
Just briefly to begin with, the people of Noah's day were warlords, apparently, half human. Violent day and night, rapists...
...murder's creator Lucifer
Lucifer created murder? So what you're saying is that God was copying Lucifer when he smote all those people? That's certainly a novel twist!
No, not saying God copied Lucifer, he did not create death, but it has a part in life after the fall.
Quote from: Titanscape on 08/06/2007 06:16:30Christendom has been a great foundation of civilization, faulted leaders yes, but the rigid Bible benevolent and wise.Mass Killings And Cruelties Ordered, Committed, Approved By God --------------------------------------------------------------------------------The entire population of the earth at the time of Noah, except for eight survivors, in a flood. "And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth; and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark." Gen 7:23 Every inhabitant of Sodom and Gammorrah, and the surrounding plain, by "brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven." Gen 19:24 Lot and his family fled. All the first born of every family in Egypt, including children of those in dungeons and the successor to the throne of Egypt's Pharaoh, by God on the first Passover night. Ex 12:29 All the hosts of Pharaoh, including the captains of 600 chariots, who drown in the Red Sea while pursuing the Israelites. "... and the Lord overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea." Ex 14:27-28 Victims who perish in the conquest of seven nations in Canaan by the Jews under Gods' guidance so that the Jews can occupy their lands as God had promised Abraham in Deut 7:1,2. The Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites were all destroyed, every man, woman and child and mercy was shown to none. Amalek and his people, by the edge of the sword, because God wants to fight with Amalek from generation to generation (maybe just for fun). The Israelites win if Aaron helps Moses to hold up his hands. 3,000 Israelites die at the hands of their brothers, the Levites, every man, their brothers and their companions. Ex. 32:27 Rulers of Israel, eleven in number after spying for forty days that wouldn't invade the Promised Land are killed by a plague. Num. 14:37 250 Levite princes of the Jews who challenged the leadership of Moses. When Moses points out the injustice of killing the whole congregation God relents briefly, then swallows up two of the princes, "their wives, sons and little children", then sent a fire to consume the remaining princes. Num. 16:1-40 14,700 people die by plague who protest to Moses about the prior killing of the 250 princes. Aaron makes an atonement to stop the plague. Num 16:41-49 The Canaanites at Hormah, utterly destroyed, every man woman and child, by God at the request of the Jews. Num 21:3 The Amorites at Hesbon, Israel "took all these cities". Moses sums up the slaughter: "We... utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones." Num 21:25 and Deut 2:34 All the sons and subjects of Og, about whom the Lord said to Moses: "Fear him (the king of Bashan) not, for I have delivered him into thy hand." None was left alive. Num 21:34-35 24,000 Israelites who cohabitated with Moabite women and worshiped Baal. "And the Lord said to Moses, take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun..." Num 25:4,9 All the males and the kings of the Middianites, because they worshiped idols, and all their wives and male children were sold into slavery. "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, vex the Midianites, and smite them." Num 25:16-17 and Num 31:7-8 The subjects of two kingdoms on the east side of the Jordan, in order that Reuben and Gad might seize the land for their own as a gift from God. Num 32 The Ammonites, decimated by the Lord so that Lot might possess their land. Deut 2:19-21 The Horims, slain by God in order that Esau might take their land. Deut 2:22 All the citizens of Jericho, except for a whore and her family. "And they utterly destroyed all in the city, man and woman, young and old, and ox... with the edge of the sword." Josh 6 "They" make a grizzly game of it , using the superstitious number 7 popular in the Bible. 12,000 men, women and children die in a treacherous ambush conceived and directed by God. Joshua, with the usual mindless hocus-pocus, holds out his spear until all the inhabitants are dead. The city was then burned. Afterwards Joshua builds an altar and offers thanks to God. Josh 8:1-30 All the people of Makkedah, and their king hanged, by Joshua. Joshua 10:28 All the people of Libnah. Not a soul remained. Joshua 10:29-30 All the people of Gezer, with none remaining, are killed. Josh 10:33 All the people of Eglon, none remaining, are killed. Joshua 10:34-35 All the people of Hebron, "All the cities and souls that were in them". Joshua 10:36-37 All the inhabitants of the country of the hills, and the south of the vale, and the springs and their kings, he left none remaining but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40 The inhabitants of Gaza, Askerlon, and Ekron, killed by Judah and Caleb. Judges 1:18-19 10,000 Moabites, killed by the Israelites. Judges 3:29 10,000 Perizzites and Canaanites die at the hand of Judah and Simeon. Judges 1:4 120,000 Midianites die by the hands of Gideons three hundred men. Judges 8:10 50,070 people of Bethshemesh, struck dead by God because a few of them looked at/into the Ark carrying the stone tablets. 1st Samuel 6:19 70,000 victims die of a pestilence sent by God because David took a census. 11 Sam 24:15 Although Adam and Eve have no sense of right and wrong when they eat of the Tree of Knowledge, God accuses them of sinning and tosses them out of their home. Prejudging the human race he then decrees that all shall suffer for this "sin" by returning to the dust from which Adam was made. The Christian God curses women with painful birth. Gen 3 Cain kills Abel because God is partial to altar sacrifices, preferring animals to grain. Gen 4 At the time of the Flood, a disaster not uncommon to the tradition of other religions, Noah, an imbiber, and his family are the only persons deemed righteous enough to be saved from drowning. All others, including pregnant women and children, are given no opportunity to survive the rising waters. Gen 7,8 Again attributing sin to innocents God fails to find even 10 persons, or embryos in any stage of gestation, saintly enough to escape the fire and brimstone God turns Lots wife into a pillar of salt when she looks back in horror at what is happening to her friends and neighbors. Gen 19 Abraham is certainly willing to do what ever the Lord demands of him, even when God orders him to kill his son. But all turns out Ok when an angel yells really loud to Abraham that it was just a test to see how much he loved God. Isaac is very lucky indeed. Abraham may have been near deaf at his age and the Angel was calling long distance from heaven. Gen 22 need i go on?
No you dont paul, Thats all old testament! JESUS does show a new and better way!
God does not hate and murder
author of life He can take life, we take lamb's lives, it is not murder. It is slaughter.
Quote from: jolly on 09/06/2007 14:26:03No you dont paul, Thats all old testament! JESUS does show a new and better way!oh, so it was OK to go around killing in the old testament! then we just brush everything under the carpet and write another testament to make one look better!