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Quote from: mathew_orman on 11/10/2015 12:25:25I am only interested in progress based on discovery of properties of matter...Unfortunately all evidence shows that assumed properties ware invented and then experiments tailored to support invented properties ware deliberately misinterpreted...Resulting in useless knowledge which fails every time one puts together even the simplest atomic simulator, simulating molecule of Hydrogen...Means that we need to get back to lab and start from the scratch if we want to make a real progress...In what ways do our atomic simulators fail in modeling hydrogen?I collaborate with theoretical chemists who use commercially available (very expensive) software that can make very accurate predictions about collections of dozens or even hundreds of atoms using quantum-based algortihms. This can accurately predict not just the preferred molecular structures (which can be verified experimentally using x-ray crystallography or 2-dimesional NMR spectroscopy), but also how molecules vibrate (which can be verified experimentally by infrared and Raman spectroscopy), absorb/emit light (which can be verified experimentally with a UV-vis spectrometer), conduct electricity (guess what? this can also be verified experimentally, using devices that can actually experimentally measure the conductivity of a single molecule!)They are even working on using computers to predict which molecules will be best at performing some function (the area still needs to make a lot of progress on this, in my opinion, but the fact that it even comes up with good suggestions at all is very promising given the rapid growth of our capabilities in this regard.It's not easy to simulate these things, and it is not cheap. But saying that it "fails every time" is demonstrably false, and actually very far from the truth, as I see it. The only deliberate misinterpretation must be your own.
I am only interested in progress based on discovery of properties of matter...Unfortunately all evidence shows that assumed properties ware invented and then experiments tailored to support invented properties ware deliberately misinterpreted...Resulting in useless knowledge which fails every time one puts together even the simplest atomic simulator, simulating molecule of Hydrogen...Means that we need to get back to lab and start from the scratch if we want to make a real progress...
Quote from: mathew_orman on 11/10/2015 12:25:25Unfortunately all evidence shows that assumed properties ware invented and then experiments tailored to support invented properties ware deliberately misinterpreted...It seems that your knowledge of the history of science is no better than your understanding of it.
Unfortunately all evidence shows that assumed properties ware invented and then experiments tailored to support invented properties ware deliberately misinterpreted...
Fail to show motion of electrons and atoms...
Quote from: alancalverd on 11/10/2015 14:02:55Quote from: mathew_orman on 11/10/2015 12:25:25Unfortunately all evidence shows that assumed properties ware invented and then experiments tailored to support invented properties ware deliberately misinterpreted...It seems that your knowledge of the history of science is no better than your understanding of it.Please, be specific...
Quote from: mathew_orman on 11/10/2015 14:11:52Fail to show motion of electrons and atoms...if molecular vibration isn't the motion of atoms, what is it?if electric current through a molecule isn't the motion of electrons, what is it?
Unfortunately all evidence shows that assumed properties ware invented and then experiments tailored to support invented properties ware deliberately misinterpreted...Resulting in useless knowledge which fails every time
but electrons don't orbitplease learn it before you trash it.....I'm out
Quote from: mathew_orman on 11/10/2015 12:25:25Unfortunately all evidence shows that assumed properties ware invented and then experiments tailored to support invented properties ware deliberately misinterpreted...Resulting in useless knowledge which fails every time Stop Press! According to Matthew Orman, America does not exist and the world is flat! Orman for Pope!
Quote from: chiralSPO on 11/10/2015 15:08:20but electrons don't orbitplease learn it before you trash it.....I'm outSo what do they do?
You are loosing the argument...
... all evidence shows that assumed properties ware invented and then experiments tailored to support invented properties ware deliberately misinterpreted...