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The Environment / Why Does CO2 Escape From An Enclosure More Easily Than Air?
« on: 21/06/2011 16:22:23 »
Hi John, thanks for the prompt response.
I’m surprised that you are
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It looks very similar to the hockey stick claimed to be a true representation of the mean atmospheric temperature anomaly during the past 1000 years by Michael Mann
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I’m sorry that I continue
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Under those circumstance could not the claim that
Of course, not being a scientist I could be totally wrong, but Jaworowski and his supporter Professor Hartmut Frank are scientists, the latter being highly regarded by his peers. As Pete Ridley said almost a year ago
I’m surprised that you are
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.. intrigued with the idea of a Hickey Stick ..As I understand it this is what the global mean atmospheric CO2 content during the past 1000 years is claimed to be by the paleoclimatologists using measurements of air “trapped” in ice.
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I’m sorry that I continue
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to miss the whole point of the evidence in the Vostok Ice coreand of lots of other ice cores
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.. can only move from regions of higher concentration to lower concentration ..wouldn’t those persistent
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.. sharp variations over periods of less than 1 kyr in the Vostok record ..still exist if the original CO2 concentration was much much higher than the level shown in the ice core record if the rate of migration was very very slow? Could not a slow rate of migration still leave residual peaks and troughs as seen from that record? Could this then mean that
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.. The detail of presence of liquid water or not, or fancy notions about diffusion mechanisms and bubble formation mechanisms and so on ..would be totally relevant?
Under those circumstance could not the claim that
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.. that there is 100% solid proof in the ice record that the CO2 has moved less than 1 kyr through the profile in the whole lifetime of the ice sheet ..be more opinion than fact?
Of course, not being a scientist I could be totally wrong, but Jaworowski and his supporter Professor Hartmut Frank are scientists, the latter being highly regarded by his peers. As Pete Ridley said almost a year ago
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Dr. Hartmut Frank (Professor of Chemistry and Ecotoxicology, University of Bayreuth, Germany) who wrote the forward to Jaworowski’s 1994 paper, says QUOTE:(http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/2010/07/monbiot-exonerated.html).
.. Prof. Jaworowski's main argument is valid and will remain valid because it is based on simple, but hard physicochemical facts. Most of the facts can be found in the old, traditional "Gmelin's Handbook of Inorganic Chemistry” - but nobody reads such books anymore today. The facts are so basic that one cannot even start a research project on an investigation of the validity of such carbon dioxide analyses in ice cores because the referees would judge it too trivial. But if one would apply proper quality assurance/quality control principles, as they are common in most other areas of application of chemical-analytical methods (for instance in drug control or toxicology) the whole building of climate change would collapse because of the overlooked fault.
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