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Life Sciences => Physiology & Medicine => Topic started by: syhprum on 27/08/2016 21:24:27
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Walking on water is no big deal I have done it often when its frozen, for a women to give birth when she does not know what caused it happens all the time and for a crowd to be convinced to share out their food when the preacher suggests it is not surprising or for someone to survive for a few months after being crucified for a few hours has often been reported.
Religious people think these things only happen due to a supernatural being intervening but there are more common explanations
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Q. Why are religious people so impressed by miracles ?
A. Because "religious education" is an oxymoron.
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I think that everyone is impressed by "doing the impossible".
However, the criterion in science is repeatably "doing the impossible".
And it must be doable by anyone following the defined procedure (once they have mastered the requisite theory and practice).
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because they are done without logical explanation , that means the entity doing it is supernatural , and people like supernatural entities because they are perfect , if a scientist makes a miracle with a logical explanation , that won't make him supernatural or perfect , other scientists may be able to do it, miracles are done by a single person and others can't do them , and other things like fear , disasters or death are solved by this single supernatural entity.
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Because miracles reinforce their worldview which is the most important thing to them. There are so many things in our modern world that cast doubt on their religion that any 'proof' is valuable.
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Walking on water is no big deal I have done it often when its frozen, for a women to give birth when she does not know what caused it happens all the time and for a crowd to be convinced to share out their food when the preacher suggests it is not surprising or for someone to survive for a few months after being crucified for a few hours has often been reported.
Religious people think these things only happen due to a supernatural being intervening but there are more common explanations
Because when Jesus walked on water it was water, not ice. And Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant and that's something which can be verified by inspection. Your comments imply that religious people are complete fools. They aren't. Well ... at least not all of them. And I seriously doubt that a person can survive after being crucified and confirmed dead. Proper crucifixion causes heart trauma which leads to death. Water builds up around the heart as a result to being suspended by their wrists for a prolonged time. When that guard stabbed Jesus in the side and he "bled water" this was confirmed.
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I think anyone would be impressed by a miracle if you define it as something previously thought impossible.
The difference is post-hoc. Those inclined to superstition would say "it's the work of the Almighty" whereas those with a more rational view of the world would say "I wonder how that happened - maybe I need to study the world more closely".
And, given the demonstrable unreliability of eyewitnesses, journalists and historians, it's probably safe to say that at least 99.999% of reported miracles are bullshit at best, and lies at worst.
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PS: I once asked my Religious "Education" teacher why, of the seventeeen known saviour-gods born of virgins, crucified and resurrected, he only taught us about one. Being a fundamentally honest man (he was also an ECB-qualified cricket umpire - what better stamp of probity?) he said "I'm only paid to teach you about one" then drove off to solemnise a wedding.
And for what it's worth, virginity or otherwise cannot be conclusively established by inspection. Pregnancy, on the other hand, is a strong indication of nonvirginity.
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Walking on water is no big deal I have done it often when its frozen, for a women to give birth when she does not know what caused it happens all the time and for a crowd to be convinced to share out their food when the preacher suggests it is not surprising or for someone to survive for a few months after being crucified for a few hours has often been reported.
Religious people think these things only happen due to a supernatural being intervening but there are more common explanations
Because when Jesus walked on water it was water, not ice. And Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant and that's something which can be verified by inspection. Your comments imply that religious people are complete fools. They aren't. Well ... at least not all of them. And I seriously doubt that a person can survive after being crucified and confirmed dead. Proper crucifixion causes heart trauma which leads to death. Water builds up around the heart as a result to being suspended by their wrists for a prolonged time. When that guard stabbed Jesus in the side and he "bled water" this was confirmed.
He was only on the cross for 6 hours, most people lasted days. Most likely his friends bribed the guards to take him down so they could patch him up.
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I think anyone would be impressed by a miracle if you define it as something previously thought impossible.
The difference is post-hoc. Those inclined to superstition would say "it's the work of the Almighty" whereas those with a more rational view of the world would say "I wonder how that happened - maybe I need to study the world more closely".
And, given the demonstrable unreliability of eyewitnesses, journalists and historians, it's probably safe to say that at least 99.999% of reported miracles are bullshit at best, and lies at worst.
Yup, and the Mother Teresa one was utter nonsense too. Still, got to keep the faithful happy....
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someone had a finger cut by an accident and after a prayer it was healed with no trace of a cut.. and you think that was just natural? ... A man is paralyzed, helpless, on a wheel chair and the next thing he's on his feet walking and you think it just happened by chance?
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someone had a finger cut by an accident and after a prayer it was healed with no trace of a cut.. and you think that was just natural? ... A man is paralyzed, helpless, on a wheel chair and the next thing he's on his feet walking and you think it just happened by chance?
Could be scams, I suppose. There was the old one of 'bleeding' statues, which are quite easy to fake with a porous pot filled with red water and judicious cuts in the glaze....
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someone had a finger cut by an accident and after a prayer it was healed with no trace of a cut.. and you think that was just natural?
A lifetime of engineering, gardening, woodwork, cookery, rugby....I can't remember a week without a cut finger or grazed knuckle, but I don't have a single scar on my hands. The power of unbelief!
... A man is paralyzed, helpless, on a wheel chair and the next thing he's on his feet walking and you think it just happened by chance?
less likely than scam, hypnosis or chiropractic, admittedly, but more plausible than the intervention of whatever divine power put him there in the first place.