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Life Sciences => The Environment => Topic started by: yor_on on 21/07/2014 00:42:04

Title: How close are IPPC reports fit to climate?
Post by: yor_on on 21/07/2014 00:42:04

This is the new IPCC Fifth Assessment Report. https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg3/

This is what the Guardian has to say about it. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/may/15/ipcc-un-climate-reports-diluted-protect-fossil-fuel-interests

It's tricky isn't it? I mean, political pressures, and economic interest groups lobbying, is a way of life it seems. The more clout you have the more people listen to you. Assuming it is correct, where is the threshold for direct lying?

http://www.robertstavinsblog.org/2014/04/25/is-the-ipcc-government-approval-process-broken-2/

Title: Re: How close are IPPC reports fit to climate?
Post by: alancalverd on 21/07/2014 23:59:16

Or maybe not. Climate modelling depends on a whole lot of entirely fictitious "historical" data which remarkably happens to fit the consensus view of causation....sort of....at least if it's massaged a bit and some of the inconvenient facts are ignored, that is...

One simple fact: the discovery of 500-year-old bromeliads under a retreating glacier. Headline: GLACIER RETREATING - WORLD GETTING HOTTER. Obvious truth: it must have been a lot hotter 500 years ago for the bromeliad to grow there in the first place. But you won't get any public research funding for pointing out that the IPCC consensus is wrong, because it is politically very useful.

Title: Re: How close are IPPC reports fit to climate?
Post by: yor_on on 27/07/2014 21:31:06

Tried to look that headline up, without luck, Alan. But glaciers can grow and retreat, it all depends on the circumstances. You can have differing climates regionally even when there's a whole different climate change overall. If you still have the link I would be pleased to read it.

And climate has its ups and downs too :)

"The Norse established their settlements along fjords (such as the Tunuliarfik and Aniaaq fjords in the central area of the Eastern settlement). Because this was during the so-called Medieval Warm Period, the vegetation there was very different from what it is today. Excavations have shown that the fjords at that time were surrounded by forests of 4-to 6-metre-tall birch trees and by hills covered with grass and willow brush." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland