[Colin2B]

How is the HUP related to special relativity or Newton mechanics ?

Relativity makes accurate predictions for all sizes of objects from astronomical to atomic/quantum, but HUP is only relevant to atomic/quantum.

You might better turn your question around and ask whether Newtonian mechanics can be derived from special relativity: answer, it can as it is an approximation of relativistic mechanics at low speeds.

[pensador (OP)]

How is the HUP related to special relativity or Newton mechanics ?

Relativity makes accurate predictions for all sizes of objects from astronomical to atomic/quantum, but HUP is only relevant to atomic/quantum.

You might better turn your question around and ask whether Newtonian mechanics can be derived from special relativity: answer, it can as it is an approximation of relativistic mechanics at low speeds.

Yor_on raised the HUP in post 3, I guess ultimatly all field equations will be replaced, or modified to include a quantum mechanical explanation.

Ah Ah Bingo; Do you have a paper showing how the approximate derivation is done??   

[Colin2B]

Ah Ah Bingo; Do you have a paper showing how the approximate derivation is done??   

No one would write a paper on something that is so obvious, just follow the Lorentz transforms at low speeds.

Note that Newtonian mechanics vs relativistic mecanics is not the end of the story, Einstein’s paper which introduced special relativity was on a problem in electrodynamics which he solved.

I guess ultimatly all field equations will be replaced, or modified to include a quantum mechanical explanation.

You guess wrong, qft is a development of qm to explain particle creation/destruction. In qft the photon description is based on Maxwell’s equations.

[pensador (OP)]

Ah Ah Bingo; Do you have a paper showing how the approximate derivation is done??   

No one would write a paper on something that is so obvious, just follow the Lorentz transforms at low speeds.

Note that Newtonian mechanics vs relativistic mecanics is not the end of the story, Einstein’s paper which introduced special relativity was on a problem in electrodynamics which he solved.

I guess ultimatly all field equations will be replaced, or modified to include a quantum mechanical explanation.

You guess wrong, qft is a development of qm to explain particle creation/destruction. In qft the photon description is based on Maxwell’s equations.

Some one has written a pdf involving NM and SR  http://www.trybasics.com/ewExternalFiles/Understanding%20SRT%202c%204-2-17.pdf 
I started reading it last night, I require a print out to follow it.

I think maybe it is time to buy another book, does anyone have a good recommendation for a book on QFT including a good section on QED. ??

I had viewed radio waves as being electrical polarisations of the EM field prior to this thread. Now I know a radio wave is made up of photons which are NOT influenced by electrical or magnetic fields. These photons may be due to virtual particle pairs near the transmitter recombining to produce a wave of photons. 

[Colin2B]

Some one has written a pdf involving NM and SR  http://www.trybasics.com/ewExternalFiles/Understanding%20SRT%202c%204-2-17.pdf 
I started reading it last night, I require a print out to follow it.

I had a quick look at the paper. Quite amusing, let me know when you spot the problems.

These photons may be due to virtual particle pairs near the transmitter recombining to produce a wave of photons.

Or not! 

[pensador (OP)]

Some one has written a pdf involving NM and SR  I started reading it last night, I require a print out to follow it.

I had a quick look at the paper. Quite amusing, let me know when you spot the problems.

These photons may be due to virtual particle pairs near the transmitter recombining to produce a wave of photons.

Or not! 

A number of issues have already been pointed out on this thread, and yes I have spotted what I think are problems.

Or What

Edit I must admit I only glanced at the link before posting it, in response to your other none answer
 

[Colin2B]

I have spotted what I think are problems.

To giive him his due, it is a better attempt at a new theory/relativity denyer then most, but suffers from the problem most do, a lack of understanding of special relativity and in this case also of Galilean relativity

[yor_on]

As far as I get it you're correct. " Am I correct in thinking acceleration is to do with general relativity and not special relativity? Special relativity deals with none accelerating objects. "

It's actually very weird.
And you have one of two simple choices.

Either you believe it to be correct, or you don't.

[Colin2B]

As far as I get it you're correct. " Am I correct in thinking acceleration is to do with general relativity and not special relativity? Special relativity deals with none accelerating objects. "

No, he’s incorrect.
Although SR is most often used for contant velocity, it can handle acceleration.

[jeffreyH]

How did Newton think of light? From his perspective light was made of particles. Robert Hooke and others believed light was wavelike. Yes this debate went all that way back!

http://www.thestargarden.co.uk/Newtons-theory-of-light.html

Nothing about the speed of light though. Here is more on that journey of discovery.

http://www.thestargarden.co.uk/Speed-of-light.html

[jeffreyH]

BTW take note of Fitzeau and Foucault's use of the rotating mirror. Using reflection to destroy Newton's assumption. That was genius!

[jeffreyH]

Oh, and by the way where did Lorentz pick up the idea for his transformation?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woldemar_Voigt

[jeffreyH]

Hint: It wasn't from Voigt.

[set fair]

Special relativity was derived from Newtonian physics.

[Colin2B]

Special relativity was derived from Newtonian physics.

Please explain how.

[jeffreyH]

Well consider something else unknown to Newton. The effect of media on the speed of light.

https://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Light_in_moving_media

This includes media in motion. All of this has a part to play in special relativity. Newtonian mechanics cannot produce the equations of special relativity. If you believe it can you are misguided. If you are saying it can just to be contrary then you are being dishonest. Which is it?

[jeffreyH]

One last thing. The movement of light through a moving medium guarantees an observer to measure the speed of light as constant irrespective of its direction of travel towards the observer. As long as the frame of reference is inertial and the observer is moving with the medium.

[set fair]

Special relativity was derived from Newtonian physics.

Please explain how.

Einstein took Newtonian theory and the observation that the speed of light was the same whether the observer was at rest or moving relative to the light source and that led him to the special theory of relativity.

[Colin2B]

Einstein took Newtonian theory and the observation that the speed of light was the same whether the observer was at rest or moving relative to the light source and that led him to the special theory of relativity.

Wrong, that’s not what he did.
Guess again.

[jeffreyH]

Here is another point to ponder. The speed of light through a medium is dependent upon the refractive index of the medium. What is the refractive index of the vacuum? The vacuum is an absence of anything. So why is the value of c the speed of light in the vacuum? Why not 10c or 1000c or 602.5c? What exactly is limiting the speed of light?