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Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« on: 01/07/2022 03:54:25 »
I'm building a mind view representation of gravity and polarity based on the latin symbol for infinite which the intersection it's then stretched forwards (in time) as the two semi circles conjoined appearing to be one.

 It's more a 2D/3D way to try to put the picture I perceived as "puncture" into an image translation. Still the proper one would require 4D rendering as it would resemble a cone like structure.
 No precise math involved whatsoever, open to interpretation.
   Still need to see where this will take.

 Derived from the geometrical representation of infinite, while trying to draw a field based on it. Still missing to add inward motion, and rendering it 3D on a sphere. ♾️
  Though the left and right sides which resulted in reversed poles must intersect at the middle of the intersection at the same time.
 When accelerating it sideways it does create a sphere like illusion around the middle.

 Despise the rudimentary drawing it's the way I perceive gravity.

 Actually I was washing clothes and couldn't stop noticing the water flowing 😜🙄



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Re: Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« Reply #1 on: 01/07/2022 04:13:37 »
You're drawing artful pictures based on the infinity symbol and somehow presenting it as an explanation for gravity?

That' what I get from the post, most of which doesn't parse as coherent English sentences. Maybe something gets lost in a translation from another language.
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Re: Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« Reply #2 on: 01/07/2022 04:22:14 »
Quote from: Halc on 01/07/2022 04:13:37
You're drawing artful pictures based on the infinity symbol and somehow presenting it as an explanation for gravity?

That' what I get from the post, most of which doesn't parse as coherent English sentences. Maybe something gets lost in a translation from another language.

 It's more a question rather than a suggestion:
 Can we/have we ever draw a geometrical representation for gravity?
 A paper or a rendered simulation?

 Guess here's the best place to ask, never looked for it.

 And no I was just starting the washer 🤣.
 It more like subconscious information adding up.

 "What if instead of a spiral or circles, I "puncture " the intersection of the infinite symbol and as I do I start to conjoint the two semi circles till I form a single circle using half side of each one combined?

 Then found a draw illusion trick that when mirrored at the edges form what seems to look like opositing poles.
 Still I need to now bring the edges and make them join at the center of mass, which would be the center of the screen on that video.
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Re: Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« Reply #3 on: 01/07/2022 04:25:06 »
What I mean:
 That whole video it's but a infinite symbol at the center being filled with as many straight lines as possible.
 It does have some corners but again it's just a thought which lead to a question, someone ever tried to geometrically draw/render gravity?
 Translated it to a geometrical representation of it?
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Re: Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« Reply #4 on: 01/07/2022 05:39:36 »
The rubber sheet analogy is a crude analogy of gravity, but I see it often used, and it is definitely a geometric representation. I've never seen it used to make any actual predictions though.
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Re: Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« Reply #5 on: 01/07/2022 06:00:29 »
Quote from: Halc on 01/07/2022 05:39:36
The rubber sheet analogy is a crude analogy of gravity, but I see it often used, and it is definitely a geometric representation. I've never seen it used to make any actual predictions though.

 Yes, that was never satisfactory as it made it somewhat difficult for most to see what's really going on there as it resembles more like a tunneling effect.
  Luckily computers rendering simulations made it really easy for most to have a 3D representation of it.

 I won't be able to render that as a 4D model cause I don't have a PC these days, smartphone can't run blenders of any sort.

   The odd things with that, it's that's solely based on the centered infinite symbol and it generated the opposite poles by itself.
 Bending the texture to meet them at the same "time" in the middle would resemble something very similar to a sphere folding inside out without a single broken corner as space wouldn't allow that.
 Perhaps another time

 Remember that interstellar representation of the black hole concept with the pen puncturing the folder sheet of paper?

 I did the same only that I first draw the infinite symbol.
 Folded the paper in order to put the intersection (center of mass) into "the future/time" and only folded in such a way the the cone would bring the two semi circles as what appears to be one single orbit when it's actually half positive and half negative, fulfilling one another.

 Half present on the horizontal plane/disk, the other two half's bended stretching forwards towards the center of mass(sun), forming yet another tunnel/cone like structure, larger at the earth narrow ar the sun.

 Not sure without rendering it.
 Maybe it's just normal the infinite symbol to cause such opositing edges to one another by chance.

 The singularity in interstellar it's so funny, they puncture the paper ", instantaneously", no wormhole bridge considered.

 I still considering the sun it's actually wormholing towards the future as everything else outside of matter appears to be.

 All that drawing it's to think if the solar system it's on a wormhole of sun's doing.
 Just no "sify" walls.

 The sun it's "connecting us" to the future frame regardless of it's mass, no need for tubular fancy walls.

 The goal would be:
 Put my fingers behind the center of the screen and "pull" the center towards the future away from the flat screen, and as I do everything inside the tunnel gets closer to the sun/singularity, closer/shorter and faster.
 Speeding up the sun traveling speed increases its mass and the conjoined half circles would also get narrow as the cone "times" larger towards the future.

 Not disconsidering that all the planets are also capable of their own tunneling effect both towards the sun and their own future as well.
 Guess I seen a similar picture last week, but it was prepared to explain other things, not any geometrical gravity "maybe".
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Re: Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« Reply #6 on: 01/07/2022 14:59:41 »
Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 01/07/2022 06:00:29
The odd things with that, it's that's solely based on the centered infinite symbol and it generated the opposite poles by itself.
But gravity doesn't have poles, at least not in any non-relativistic sense.

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Remember that interstellar representation of the black hole concept with the pen puncturing the folder sheet of paper?
Yes, a good reason not to get your physics from Hollywood.
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Re: Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« Reply #7 on: 01/07/2022 15:37:34 »
Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
Yes.
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Re: Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« Reply #8 on: 01/07/2022 16:07:33 »
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Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
Yes.
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 Relative to what? Which leads to how...
 But I got the perspective.
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Re: Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« Reply #9 on: 01/07/2022 16:11:48 »
Quote from: Halc on 01/07/2022 14:59:41
Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 01/07/2022 06:00:29
The odd things with that, it's that's solely based on the centered infinite symbol and it generated the opposite poles by itself.
But gravity doesn't have poles, at least not in any non-relativistic sense.

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Remember that interstellar representation of the black hole concept with the pen puncturing the folder sheet of paper?
Yes, a good reason not to get your physics from Hollywood.

 True still everything travels/occurs over the fabric/road, so it must have a geometrical pattern embedded within it.
 Dot to dot seems valid.
 A whole single "thing' doesn't seem possible.
 More like sets of infinite connecting themselves as a puzzle.
 Per unit or something, a Planck I guess?
 Need to learn about superposition and what it truly means.
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Re: Can we draw a geometrical representation of gravity?
« Reply #10 on: 01/07/2022 16:35:27 »
Quote from: Halc on 01/07/2022 05:39:36
The rubber sheet analogy is a crude analogy of gravity, but I see it often used, and it is definitely a geometric representation. I've never seen it used to make any actual predictions though.

 I'm thinking about it too, only a different use of time.
 The big ball falls on the sheet, the smallest ball "runs in circles around it" only falling because of friction, ok.
  But I understand that the ball was always in the middle of it's own deformation, not inside it, the same "bending" takes place on the opposite direction as well.

 What I did staring the water flow inside the washer was.

 "Set the big ball" over the sheet causing the same thing, but instead of a round sphere, Ive folded the duality of the infinite symbol (on all directions) towards the center/big ball
 In such a way that the "two opositing semi circles" conjoined "proportionally" forming what apear to be as "one round orbit", when there's more going on there this time:
  You have the intersection of the symbol at the center, "along" this deformation " "half" of each semi circle/orbit" it's draged alongside it, assuming that:
 A ball walking the "full path" of the infinite symbol would "simultaneously as it "appears to be wondering in circles" also "chasing " it's other "potential orbit/path", which on the 2D paper it's now/turning around each other at the enter of the sun.

 The sun/big ball, it's now 8 minutes ahead "in the future of the (infinite ♾️) orbit.
 And the small ball Would simple geometrically ajust itself to follow "not the mass itself" but the distorted path of it's "original orbit".

 It's difficult since reply doesn't allow posting pictures or it would be simpler to draw on a paper.
 The same of the 4th picture up there, only "folding it" projecting the intersection/big ball towards the front/future and conjoint the two semi circles till they form what apear to be "one round circle"

 A clock where "12 and 6" are actually"split from the round clock as a hole.
 Obviously the clock could be rotated so doesn't need to be 12 and 6 hors, could be any.
 If you put the mass/intersection way too far into the future of the sheet, the intersection would drag "all" of it's two semicircles, imagine now an opposite flow where the two half's of an orbit "transpased themselves" till the formed something like from this "()" to this ")(", sort of folding itself inside out.
 I'll try to draw it to make it simple to "see" rather than to understand.
 You'll end up with a flipped arrow pointing inwards, so anything outside will inevitably move inwards, not that it's "preferred" it's just "isolated from the outside"
 Let me draw it.
 
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