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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: robincook on 06/05/2021 17:24:56
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I propose so. The hypothesis presented here -
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- argues that the Giza pyramids were designed geometrically and were situated according to an overall plan. It is based primarily on the survey by W.M.F. Petrie. I shall amend the page according to future findings. I hope the website isn't too boring.
robin
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I heard some archaeologist claim that the pyramids of Giza were surveyed to line up with the points of the compass.
- But since the Earth wobbles in its orbit, the location of astronomical North moves slightly (over centuries)
- It was claimed that the different pyramids are oriented slightly differently, due to this wobble
But it is hard to derive an accurate alignment from pyramids which have been raided for their stone, and badly weathered.
See, for example: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/fall-equinox-secret-pyramids-near-perfect-alignment-180968223/
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I propose so. The hypothesis presented here -
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- argues that the Giza pyramids were designed geometrically and were situated according to an overall plan. It is based primarily on the survey by W.M.F. Petrie. I shall amend the page according to future findings. I hope the website isn't too boring.
robin
Robin
Welcome to the forum
We don’t allow external links until you have posted a few times.
It would be better if you discussed your ideas here rather than linking to another site.
Material posted here should not have been published elsewhere eg another site, but we don’t mind discussing your ideas if you can summarise them here.
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Thank you for your reply. Because it is not permitted on this forum to give links to external sites, and because my site is essentially visual (containing over 100 geometrical diagrams), it would be a mammoth task to translate everything into words. But I'll try to give a summary.
At Giza there are 3 large pyramids which were meticulously surveyed by W.M.F. Petrie. If Petrie's results (originally in inches) are converted to native units of measure an overall plan is revealed (as evidenced in John Legon's work). It would seem that Giza was laid out using simple geometry - roots, Pi, and Phi.
But there are also curious relations that seem almost 'playful' - see attached diagram, it shows that arcs can be drawn to the northeast and southwest corners of Khafre. Although many may prefer to dismiss this as coincidence some might yet be curious. We shall see.
Incidentally my site also includes a summary of recent astronomical work on Giza.
robin
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There is a theory that the pyramids are laid out in line with the belt of orion stars as was done at Thornbury. At Thornbury they have gone further, there is a monolith at the correct distance to represent sirius which was worshipped in ancient tomes. The nile was thought to be the Milkyway, which I believe was the souls of the ancestors, just as the nile was life in Egypt. The pyramids probably the gateway to the afterlife.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thornborough_Henges
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Hi Petrochemicals,
You seem to have picked up on the so called 'Orion Correlation Theory' (more accurately hypothesis) promoted back in the nineties by its author Robert Bauval. But research has moved on since then and the 'theory' and its ramifications are now generally discredited.
Also it is generally thought today that the 'winding waterway' is roughly speaking the band of the ecliptic (see Kraus) and not the galaxy. Incidentally the galaxy does play a part in Giza geometry - its centre, involving the stars alpha centaurus and the southern cross constellation, sets 45 degrees south of west and this is the key alignment along which Giza was laid out.
You are however correct that the Giza pyramids are laid out to the cardinal points - in the case of Khufu to less than 5 minutes from the north celestial pole. And the small differences in pyramid orientation are now thought to reflect precession.
You write - "But it is hard to derive an accurate alignment from pyramids which have been raided for their stone, and badly weathered." - Yes it is hard but it has been done. I'm not allowed to publish links to external sites but if you go to AERA (Ancient Egypt Research Associates - presently excavating the Giza plateau) you'll find a lot of information that will bring you up to speed.
The evidence supporting my assertions is on my website. To expect me to copy out tracts from the site and post them here (so as to constitute some kind of 'discussion') seems to be an inefficient way of going about things. Usually one sets out the evidence first and then discusses it.
robin
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We don’t allow external links until you have posted a few times.
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Hi, this discussion is obviously going nowhere. But would you perhaps be able to recommend another section of your site, or another science forum more amenable to discussion of new ideas about pyramids?
Robin
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would you perhaps be able to recommend another section of your site, or another science forum more amenable to discussion of new ideas about pyramids?
Robin
Hi Robin
It seems you are very knowledgeable about the various pyramid hypotheses, but most of the professionals here are mainly from the areas of physics, chemistry, biology and maths.
I think you would do better on an archeology site, preferably one that has a section on ancient Egyptian culture where you will find experts able to give you a realistic assessment of your ideas.
Wishing you luck.
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Hi Colin,
Thank you for your kind reply. I have had discussions with Egyptologists but have not found them amenable to new ideas. I suppose they imagine that they've heard it all before or that I am just another fringe author. For this reason I had hoped to present my material to the educated layman (or 'layperson') uncontaminated by Egyptological opinion. Whether one is a physicist, chemist, mathematician (or in my case a geologist) should make no difference. Such a person will be capable of deciding whether what I have written is simply coincidence or not (I provide references to survey data).
Some relations at Giza cannot easily be pigeonholed, such as that shown in the attached illustration. I thought it might evoke some degree of curiosity.
Finally would you have any recommendations for any other scientific fora I might approach?
Yours, Robin
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Thank you for your kind reply. I have had discussions with Egyptologists but have not found them amenable to new ideas.
I don't think that is fair. Maybe they are just not impressed by your new idea.
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Some relations at Giza cannot easily be pigeonholed, such as that shown in the attached illustration. I thought it might evoke some degree of curiosity.
Finally would you have any recommendations for any other scientific fora I might approach?
Yours, Robin
I have no doubt that the pyramids were designed and placed according to a plan and that that plan was, like many castles, based on a geometric design. However, the degree of curiosity depends on the individual and their interest in Egyptology. Many fittings to geometric data can end up a bit of a ‘so what’, unless you are interested in what it tells you about the people or culture etc.
For example, I have an interest in the construction of old musical instruments. In Italy before Napoleon and the metric system they appear to have used a set of measurement units which are very similar to inches, feet, etc. There is a lot of research which shows that the actual units varied a great deal according to region, so it can be useful to identify where an instrument was made or even modified. However, I would never present any of it here because it has no bearing on any physics eg acoustics, so I really wouldn’t expect much interest.
I assume you have searched for local Egyptology societies? There are other groups which have a general interest in the layout of ancient circles, henges etc.
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Hi Petrochemicals,
You seem to have picked up on the so called 'Orion Correlation Theory' (more accurately hypothesis) promoted back in the nineties by its author Robert Bauval. But research has moved on since then and the 'theory' and its ramifications are now generally discredited.
Why is it discredited? Do you mean the theory of 10500bc and many other places across the globe allgned with orions belt, some sort of ancient alien conspiracy? I can think of no reason why an alignment with orions belt can be ruled out.
You write - "But it is hard to derive an accurate alignment from pyramids which have been raided for their stone, and badly weathered." - Yes it is hard but it has been done. I'm not allowed to publish links to external sites but if you go to AERA (Ancient Egypt Research Associates - presently excavating the Giza plateau) you'll find a lot of information that will bring you up to speed.
The evidence supporting my assertions is on my website. To expect me to copy out tracts from the site and post them here (so as to constitute some kind of 'discussion') seems to be an inefficient way of going about things. Usually one sets out the evidence first and then discusses it.
robin
Evan has written that.
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I have no doubt that the pyramids were designed and placed according to a plan and that that plan was, like many castles, based on a geometric design. However, the degree of curiosity depends on the individual and their interest in Egyptology. Many fittings to geometric data can end up a bit of a ‘so what’, unless you are interested in what it tells you about the people or culture etc.
For example, I have an interest in the construction of old musical instruments. In Italy before Napoleon and the metric system they appear to have used a set of measurement units which are very similar to inches, feet, etc. There is a lot of research which shows that the actual units varied a great deal according to region, so it can be useful to identify where an instrument was made or even modified. However, I would never present any of it here because it has no bearing on any physics eg acoustics, so I really wouldn’t expect much interest.
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Fair enough. I was foolish to approach this forum. Besides this discussion is going nowhere. So I'll take your advice and seek answers elsewhere. Sorry for the inconvenience. Robin
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My theory for the layout of the pyramids is connected to the nature of creativity. For example, when a new song first appears in the imagination of the musician, it was processed initially by the unconscious mind, at a preconscious level. It finally appears to the conscious mind more or less laid out; eureka. Once the conscious mind is on board; good song, it is fine tuned with the conscious mind setting practical limits; instruments, while the unconscious mind pushes the embryonic song beyond the simple present; add instruments and chorus.
In the ideal situation, a timeless hit will appear that resonates in the minds and hearts of people over many generations. It may even be redone by many other artists who, add new twists to the timeless. Computers cannot make such hits, because their programing is more connected to the conscious side of the creative process. The computer can change instruments and tempos but that alone does not make a hit. A hit has to appeal to something that is collectively and unconsciously inside a wide range of humans. It contains an embedded unconscious trigger that can activate the collective unconscious in others; command lines.
We have two centers of consciousness; ego and inner self, with the ego the center of the conscious mind. The inner self is the center of the unconscious mind. The creative process involves both centers, but it is usually led by the inner self, since it knows how to resonate the unconscious minds of others, via collective human propensities and triggers.
Getting back to the pyramids, these are a set of classic construction hits that still resonate. They have inspired awe and curiosity for millennia. My guess is the pyramids came from the inner selves of the original creators, and were a projection of the inner self from the inner self. They express the inner self, as something outside the ego, so the ego could investigate its own inside processes, from the outside; extroverted religious expression.
The pyramid construction is still very sophisticated by modern standards. One would have needed the inner selves of the works crews doing the data crunching. The ego of that time was not advanced enough, which is why alien theories appear. The inner self was the alien or alien is a projection from the modern inner self.
The pyramids have a square base with four sides. A map layout that uses north, south, east and west is an applied science tool. There is nothing pure science about it, since it expresses a cartesian grid that is superimposed on a spherical earth, that was once assumed to be flat. If I stood on a plain, with mountains to my west and an ocean to my east, I can go west to the mountains by sailing east due to the spherical earth; paradox that is resolved via a flat earth map. The N,S,E,W grid was not the original intent of the inner self and pyramids, but was more likely a conscious mind spin-off from the original creative projection.
The pyramids have a large square base that touches the earth. This tapers upwards to a point high in the sky. The base is the inner self and top point is the ego. The inner self is connected to the earth; instinct and DNA, and it supports all the weight above it. The pyramids shows proportions in terms of brain usage ratio between the inner self and ego of that era. For example, if we; ego, will to walk from here to there, nearly all the data crunching for the muscles is from the inner self. The ego only has to think a command line.
The ego or conscious mind interfaces the inner self, high in the sky; tip. This high in the sky is symbolic of the imagination and frontal lobe. The inner self, via the pyramids was projecting the layout of the brain's operating system, with the ego tip interfaced to this layout via four common sides with the inner self. The four sides are connected to the four psychological or orientating functions, which are intellect, emotion, intuition and sensation. The base of the pyramid or the inner self is connected to the ego, by four different paths.
Intellect when fully objective is cold; My Spock lacks sentiment. This is symbolic of the cold north. Emotion is warmer and is the south. Intuition is east, since this is where the sun rises and light of intuition appears. While sensation and instinct is the west. It is where the sun sets and sleep appears; ego is absorbed and returns to the inner self.
Different people have different ordering in terms of these four functions or four sides of the pyramid. The inner self can interact with an ego via any ordering, and thereby allows for differences. My ordering, from the ego downward to the inner self, is intellect, intuition, sensation and then emotions. Most scientists are intellect, sensation, intuition and emotion. The latter creates a practical minded intellect due to the need for sensory proof; sensation, after careful reasoning; intellect. I am more open to new ideas, even before sensory proof, due to intuition before sensory. I will also try to reason this through but lack the means to run lab tests, other than intuitive brain simulations.
The reverse order is how one interfaces with the inner self; bottom to top. This order is less conscious in most people. In my case, emotion by being last for my ego, is my direct interface to the inner self. This followed by sensation, intuition and intellect. My inner drive to improve science with new theories comes from that emotional interface with the inner self. That fountain newer seems to run dry. When ideas are new and hot off the press, they can appear irrational. My ego gets data starting with feelings, then inner sensations, then intuitions and then intellect. I may start writing too early. I really need to push from top to bottom; think first, as the inner self pushes from bottom to top; strong feelings first. Often I have little time, so I skip steps.
Based on these psychological function dynamics, symbolized by the pyramids, and since the pyramids were so sophisticated for that early in human history, the inner self had to be leading; main frame part of the brain. Since this was and still is a technical marvel, the most logical order of the four functions from the inner self, to the ego point, would have been intellect, intuition, sensory and emotion. In other words, the inner self would have done the math; intellect, and the ego would have received a finish blueprint, it may not have been consciously able to understand; gift from the gods.
The conscious Egyptian ego would have been the opposite of the inner self in terns of its four psychological functions. It would have been emotion, sensation, intuition, intellect. They would have led with emotions, feeling that the gods were thinking for them; inner self; orientating themselves to the blueprint. They would have happily followed the feelings of being special, and made precise sensory connections, as further intuitions from the gods; inner self, help them along with the details and innovations needed to satisfy the plans. Their song was a hit for all time and still triggers the gateway to the unconscious; mysterious. Pharaoh may have been the interface of the gods; inner self.