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what is the root of your disagreement
God put the serpent in the garden of Eden (knowing full well what the consequences would be), then blamed humanity for the consequences of His own act.To top it off, he then convinced the people that it was their fault.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/03/2020 17:40:24Quote from: CliveG on 13/03/2020 17:15:34I have (used to have an even better) excellent memory. I remember most occasions. Mine works most of the time - too many times for randomness.Post a diary.That will unequivocally show which side is right.I had to double check who the poster was. Such a logical common sense post.
Getting angry about mass murder and global suffering misses the point.
Quote from: CliveG on 19/03/2020 12:29:06Getting angry about mass murder and global suffering misses the point.In a rational world, this would go down as the most ridiculous statement ever made. It encapsulates everything that is morally, intellectually and practically disgraceful about religion.
You said:An omniscient being has no defence of "unintended consequences" - this is deliberate impoverishment and murder on a global scale. Why on earth should he change his mind in response to your petty grumbling?
I responded:Getting angry about mass murder and global suffering misses the point. Yes, the trajectory is known by God who chooses to let a mass Die-Off happen. He helps some and not others. In most cases, it does not affect the grand plan but if there is someone who is destined to be a great leader they will be protected.
Personally, I blame the internet, digital television, electric cars, and salted caramel. All the work of Satan. When I was a lad, we had to make do with diphtheria, scarlet fever, and two postal deliveries a day. Five Woodbines and a pint of jellied eels at Christmas. None of your fancy electrosmog - we had the real thing, powered by coal and inducing proper British bronchitis, not your mass-produced Chinese stuff. We were poor but we were happy.
There is nothing to indicate that I may be wrong that cell phone radiation either 1) stimulates corona virus, 2) decreases immune systems or 3) aggravates existing conditions - or all of the above.
Remember how I complain about stomach pains and diarrhea when exposed to to radiation next to the tower for more than a few hours?https://www.foxnews.com/health/early-symptom-coronavirus-might-be-digestive-issues-studyCould diarrhea and other gastrointestinal issues be the first signs of the novel coronavirus, also known as COVID-19? Yes, at least according to one study published Thursday in The American Journal of Gastroenterology.
The CG God allows free will and accepts suffering as part of the plan of the Ultimate Intelligence.
My proposal is that the Prime Cause is an Ultimate Intelligence that simply exists and has always existed.
I am reminded of working alone next to townships while rioting was taking place in SA in the 1970s. I had a loaded gun with a round in the chamber and the safety off. On the table or walking to my car I had a 17 round magazine and another 17 round magazine. People said you will not stop a rampaging mob. I replied that I understood that, but would take many with me. The principle in all mass charges is that when the others next to a person dies, each person simply takes it as affirmation that they will not die and can continue the charge. Until the mob is down to just a couple.
Quote from: CliveG on 20/03/2020 10:22:30I am reminded of working alone next to townships while rioting was taking place in SA in the 1970s. I had a loaded gun with a round in the chamber and the safety off. On the table or walking to my car I had a 17 round magazine and another 17 round magazine. People said you will not stop a rampaging mob. I replied that I understood that, but would take many with me. The principle in all mass charges is that when the others next to a person dies, each person simply takes it as affirmation that they will not die and can continue the charge. Until the mob is down to just a couple.Forgive me if I'm mistaken. I assume you are white skinned.How did it all work out for you?
While I do not "tempt fate" or do anything stupid
Once, I took a black worker home in 1976 - the height of the riots in Soweto.
Quote from: CliveG on 20/03/2020 16:35:46While I do not "tempt fate" or do anything stupidQuote from: CliveG on 20/03/2020 16:35:46Once, I took a black worker home in 1976 - the height of the riots in Soweto.
Out of context.
While I do not "tempt fate" or do anything stupid I have always know when I will be safe. Once, I took a black worker home in 1976 - the height of the riots in Soweto.
Quote from: CliveG on 20/03/2020 10:06:15The CG God allows free will and accepts suffering as part of the plan of the Ultimate Intelligence. So the hallmark of ultimate intelligence is to do bugger-all. That's morally bankrupt.
So here I am giving you God's message from all my learning
I experienced the Ultimate Intelligence
They want me to do a miracle to first provide proof.
Quote from: CliveG on 20/03/2020 17:57:49Out of context. OK.Here it is in contextQuote from: CliveG on 20/03/2020 16:35:46While I do not "tempt fate" or do anything stupid I have always know when I will be safe. Once, I took a black worker home in 1976 - the height of the riots in Soweto.
Quote from: CliveG on 20/03/2020 18:32:55So here I am giving you God's message from all my learning Except, as I have pointed out, your learning is rather thin, and biassed.Quote from: CliveG on 20/03/2020 18:32:55I experienced the Ultimate IntelligenceNone of us did.Possibly nobody else did.And yet you refuse to consider the most likely reason; it's not real, justa dream.Quote from: CliveG on 20/03/2020 18:32:55They want me to do a miracle to first provide proof.I asked you to posta diary. That's hardly the same thing.
I "knew" I could drive through and not have a problem. It was deserted because of the warnings. But the area was also empty of people. Was this taking a stupid risk or tempting fate?
And why do you refuse to consider the possibility I might be the real deal?