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What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?

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What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« on: 25/05/2021 22:33:32 »
Irrespective of the Top Speed & Total Distance Travelled.

What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on Planet Earth!

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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #1 on: 25/05/2021 22:39:22 »
A flea can accelerate at about 1000 m/sec², or about 100g, which totally outdoes any of your options.
There's probably things that can beat that.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #2 on: 25/05/2021 22:59:40 »
Hi Zero,  I hope all is well.
Do we have to wait for the poll to close?
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #3 on: 26/05/2021 00:30:31 »
Trap jaw ant
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #4 on: 26/05/2021 11:25:42 »
A microbe with flagella (or some method of acceleration of it's own).  For example, a microbe in the flea or ant previoulsy described by Halc and Petrochemicals?
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #5 on: 26/05/2021 12:17:21 »
Tortoise, when dropped by a bird onto a rock.
Something like 1000 to 10,000 g.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #6 on: 26/05/2021 12:33:51 »
I think that's called deceleration.

Just in case there are any young nerds reading this, a stapp is a unit of shock equal to one g-second, named after USAF Colonel John Stapp who investigated the effects of acceleration and particularly deceleration on the human body in the 1950s,  mostly using himself as a crash dummy.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #7 on: 26/05/2021 12:43:13 »
Jerk.
... is the related term for rate of change of acceleration.
The first, second and third derivatives of jerk are snap, crackle and pop respectively.
Who says scientists have no sense of humour?
Quote from: alancalverd on 26/05/2021 12:33:51
I think that's called deceleration.
Not by physicists, who recognise that it's an acceleration in the opposite direction.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #8 on: 26/05/2021 13:16:20 »
Come to think of it, there's nothing to say the acceleration has to be natural.
So that opens the door to some odd bits of research.
https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/ast.2020.2405

Annoyingly, it doesn't explicitly give the accelerations.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #9 on: 27/05/2021 20:49:35 »
Quote from: Eternal Student on 25/05/2021 22:59:40
Hi Zero,  I hope all is well.
Do we have to wait for the poll to close?


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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #10 on: 28/05/2021 11:50:42 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2021 12:43:13
Quote from: alancalverd on 26/05/2021 12:33:51
I think that's called deceleration.
Not by physicists, who recognise that it's an acceleration in the opposite direction.

But pilots and drivers recognise the difference between blackout/wings bent upwards, straps loosening (acceleration) and redout/wings snap forwards/straps tightening/airbag deploying/engine coming at you from either direction (deceleration), which is why Col Stapp "flew" his rocket sled into a water trough to explore the more dangerous and less controlled problem.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #11 on: 28/05/2021 18:12:30 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 28/05/2021 11:50:42
Col Stapp
One of the important results of his work was rear facing seats on military aircraft.
In which case, when the plane slows down (in the conventional sense) the straps loosen etc.

No matter how hard you try to suggest otherwise, deceleration is just acceleration from a different PoV.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #12 on: 28/05/2021 23:10:24 »
Far be it from me to "suggest otherwise", but merely to use the idiomatic phrase instead of harrumphing around like a pompous Telegraph reader. Lord Denning's advice to litigants and barristers was "Use short words, so people understand you."

The reason for the rear-facing  seats was largely driven by Stapp's early discovery of eye damage during what some politicians would call "acceleration from a different point of view", like an army "returning to previously established positions" is a "victory from a different pov".

A military wife of my acquaintance  had the opportunity to spend a summer with her husband in the USA, with her children. They travelled in an RAF Hercules. The loadmaster offered to entertain the kids in the mostly-empty cargo bay. Back home, first day of school, traditional "what I did on holiday" essay, daughter wrote "We flew backwards to America and played football in the plane". Mother called to school and told daughter had disturbing fantasies.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #13 on: 31/05/2021 15:03:16 »
Two of the four said "species" are fictional.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #14 on: 31/05/2021 15:41:30 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 28/05/2021 23:10:24
"Use short words, so people understand you."
Ok, that means
"acceleration"
and
"deceleration"
are both OK because they are the same length.

Or, should we use the "better known" word, since it is more likely to be understood?
Well, "acceleration" gets's a lot more hits on Google (300M ) than "deceleration" (15M).
So, it's probably more widely known.

What caused the eye damage was a force which could be calculated from the mass times the acceleration- as is standard practice in physics.

Essentially, it looks like you want to show off the (trivial) fact that you know a "fancy" word for slowing down.



Quote from: alancalverd on 28/05/2021 23:10:24
like an army "returning to previously established positions" is a "victory from a different pov".
If more armies recognised that battles are typically lost from both points of view, the world would be a calmer place.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #15 on: 31/05/2021 17:18:30 »
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The first, second and third derivatives of jerk are snap, crackle and pop respectively.

Derivatives, eh? Are we showing off, by any chance? 
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #16 on: 31/05/2021 17:47:00 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 31/05/2021 17:18:30
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/05/2021 12:43:13
The first, second and third derivatives of jerk are snap, crackle and pop respectively.

Derivatives, eh? Are we showing off, by any chance? 
I can't imagine who would have started such a thing; showing off a knowledge of obscure units....
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #17 on: 31/05/2021 23:56:07 »
My first post was addressed to the kind of nerds who estimate the jerk of a decelerating tortoise, and get the dimensions wrong. But you are welcome to join in.
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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #18 on: 01/06/2021 11:17:26 »
In fairness, the units are strange.
Shock has units of 9.8 metres per second- rebadged as the Stapp.
Obviously, that's a speed.
Call G 10 just to make the arithmetic easier.
If I slow my sledge down from , e.g. 100 m/s over the course of 10 seconds the acceleration is 10 m/s/s i.e. "1G" and the duration is 10 s
So the "shock" is 10*1=10. ( the same speed that I started with)

Now imagine that I let the sledge "coast" to a halt more gradually. It takes 100 seconds.
My acceleration is 1 m/s/s i.e. 0.1G and the "shock" is 0.1 * 100  = 10 m/s

Finally, imagine that I fire retro rockets and bring the sledge to a halt in 1 second.
The acceleration is 100 m/s/s or 10G
But, since the duration is only 1 second, the "Shock" is 10 * 1 i.e. 10m/s.

I think the physiological effects would be different; but the "shock" is the same.


What use is this measurement of initial speed in funny units?

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Re: What is the Fastest Accelerating Species on planet Earth?
« Reply #19 on: 01/06/2021 14:10:46 »
It's the product of deceleration (measured in units of g, 'cos that's how aviators think) multiplied by the duration of said event, because Stapp discovered that the product pretty well determines the damage to a bag of giblets in jelly ('cos that's what aviators are).  The army uses a similar approach to the design of helmets and other small-arms protective wear.

It makes sense. A light tap with a hammer on your infantry helmet can produce an initial cranial acceleration/deceleration wave of 1000g  but it won't last a millisecond (<1 stapp)  or do any lasting  damage, but 10 g for 1 second or any other 10 stapp combination takes a bit of getting used to, and 100 stapp of deceleration, however delivered, tends to separate the entrails though it is survivable if you are sitting backwards.

Winch launching a 2-seat glider is interesting. The student sits in front and is almost supine, and the instructor in the rear seat is upright. The initial acceleration is about 0.3g for about 2 seconds. I find it very disorienting to be subject to -0.3g  in the front, but quite good fun to experience + 0.3g in the back. Your flying tortoise (et sim ninja turtle) has the advantage of near-symmetry, though I have spent some time with a vet designing a horizontal-beam x-ray facility for lateral views of a pregnant testudine because their insides distort under lateral g.   
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