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General Science => General Science => Topic started by: esecallum on 01/08/2005 22:51:48
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These recent trials were done using NON-IONIC 50 nm silver particles suspended in distilled water.
The method uses 10500 alternating voltage to deposit these silver particle from pure silver electrodes very close to the water surface contained in a vessal and being rapidly stirred.
The method is similar to high voltage metal deposition but no vacuam is required.
The method has been patented.
Here are the results for various illnesses:-
Summary Report of the First African Human Trials of
American Biotech Labs’ Silver BioticsTM
The Hospitals
The first series of 58 trials was accomplished at three (3) hospitals in Ghana, West Africa. The three hospitals were: the Air Force Station Hospital under the direction of Dr. Kwabiah, The Kone-Bu Teaching Hospital under the direction of Dr. Sackey, and the Justab Clinic/Maternity under the direction of Dr. Abraham.
Diversity Of Use
Silver Biotics~ was tried on a wide diversity of human problems, including malaria, upper respiratory tract infections, urinary tract infections, sinusitis infections, vaginal yeast infections, eye, nose and ear infections, cuts and fungal skin infections and even for sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhea etc. Silver BioticsTM was used as both an internal and external antibiotic alternative.
The Product
All treatments were performed using the American Biotech Labs’ Silver BioticsTM at a strength of 10 parts per million.
Summary Data
The data will summarize the type of human ailment the product was used to treat, the average time it took to see signs of recovery, average time under treatment to obtain full recovery (as deemed by the doctors), and the average dosage used during the time of treatment.
The Results
Abdominal Pain & Diarrhea: One patient was diagnosed with this condition. The patient received 10 ml. (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics~ three times in one day. The patient was reported fully recovered in 1 day.
Bronchitis: Two patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients were given 5 ml (one teaspoon) of Silver Biotics~ twice daily. Both patients showed signs of recovery within 1-2 days and both were reported fully recovered within 3 days.
Candida Vaginal Yeast Infection: Five patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics~ twice daily as a vaginal douche. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5.6 days.
Conjunctivitis (Eve Infection): Two patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received several drops of Silver Biotics~ in the infected eye, twice daily. Both patients were reported fully recovered within 1 day.
External Cuts & Infection: Six patients were diagnosed with this condition. The conditions included: Staph skin infections, septic ulcers, and infected abscesses. The patients received 5 ml of Silver Biotics~ twice daily. The patients showed signs of recovery within an average of 2.16 days and were reported fully recovered within an average of 3 days.
External Otitis (Ear Infection): Six patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received two drops of Silver Bioticsm in the infected ear three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery within an average of 1.66 days and were reported fully recovered within an average of 3.5 days.
Otitis Media (Middle Ear Infection): One patient was diagnosed with this condition. The patient received 2 drops of Silver Biotics~ in the infected ear, three times daily. The patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and was reported fully recovered in 4 days. Fungal Skin Infection: Two patients were diagnosed with fungal skin infections. The patients received 10 ml of Silver Bioticsm three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 4.5 days and were reported fully recovered in 8 days.
Gonorrhea: Two patients were diagnosed as having gonorrhea. The patients received lOml (two teaspoons) of Silver Bioticsm two times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3.5 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 6 days.
Malaria: Eleven patients were diagnosed as having malaria. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Bioticsm three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 2.4 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5 days.
Mouth Problems: Two patients were diagnosed as having mouth problems. One case was gingivitis and the other was halitosis. Botti patients were given Silver BioticSm as a mouth wash. The case of gingivitis was reported recovered in 3 days. The case of halitosis was reported recovered in I day.
Pelvic Inflammatory Disease: One patient was diagnosed with this disease. The patient received 5 ml of Silver Bioticslu (one teaspoon) two times daily as a vaginal douche. The patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and was reported fully recovered in 5 days.
Pharvnaitis (Sore Throat): Four patients were diagnosed with phaiyngitis. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Bioticsm, three times daily as a gargle. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3.75 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5.25 days.
Retro Viral Infection. HIV: One patient was diagnosed with a retro viral infection. The patient received 5 ml (one teaspoon) of Silver Bioticsm two times daily. The patient showed signs of recovery in 4 days and was reported fully recovered 5 days.
Sinusitis/ Rhinitis (Nasal Infections): Six patients were reported with sinus problems. Four patients were reported with sinusitis and two patients were reported with rhinitis. The patients received two drops of Silver Bioticsm in their nasal passages, three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 1.6 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 3.2 days.
Tonsilitis: One patient was diagnosed with tonsilitis. The patient received 10 ml of Silver Biotics TIA three times daily as a gargle. The patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and was reported fully recovered in 7 days.
Upper Respiratory Tract Infection: Two patients were diagnosed with upper respiratory tract infections. The patients received 5 ml of Silver Bioticsm (one teaspoon) three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3 days and were reported fully recovered in 6 days.
Urinary Tract Infections: Three patients were diagnosed with Urinary Tract Infections. The patients received 10 ml of Silver Bioticsm (two teaspoons) two to three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3.33 days and were reported fully recovered within an average of 5.6 days.
Summary
The human studies summarized herein were completed in Ghana, West Africa. This report summarizes 50% of the 120 patients who participated in the study. Some patients were suffering from more than one ailment or problem at the time of treatment. These patients were treated for one or two of 18 different human ailments or problems. In almost every case, the doctors using Silver Biotics~ in l0ppm as an antibiotic alternative reported that their patients achieved full recovery within just seven days or less of treatment. At this time, the testing is ongoing.
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Stop trying to sell your stuff using this forum to validate your outrageous claims.
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Originally posted by anthony
Stop trying to sell your stuff using this forum to validate your outrageous claims.
I AM OFFENDED BY YOUR ASSERTION I AM SELLING ANYTHING.
where does it say buy it? eh?
where is the paypal link?
where is the address to buy from?
how much am i charging?
has it occurred to you it might be actual research?
does you even you know that the doctors presented their finding to THE
AMERICAN CONGRESS?
I have proof of this.
http://forum.aidworkers.net/messages/141/22670.html?1105057020
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OK relax guys, and go to your neutral corners.
Silver has been used for many years as a pharmaceutical, and a pesticide. I am supposing the patent is about the method of colloidal preparation. Anyway, its interesting results, but is anecdotal. Are there any controlled studies?
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Originally posted by gsmollin
OK relax guys, and go to your neutral corners.
Silver has been used for many years as a pharmaceutical, and a pesticide. I am supposing the patent is about the method of colloidal preparation. Anyway, its interesting results, but is anecdotal. Are there any controlled studies?
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yes.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=6,743,348.WKU.&OS=PN/6,743,348&RS=PN/6,743,348
if you study this carefully you will see this is completely different then producing CS by electrolysis.
it is non ionic CS.
This CS is 50 nm PARTICLES OF SILVER suspended in distilled water.
i also know of a way to produce this by a lower cost/less complex method for home experimenters if you want to know as summarised below
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This method would be to produce cs by using 2 canadian silver leaf 99.99% pure silver coins and fixing it in postion while a second coin is rotated against it by a motor or attached to a drill...etc....
the friction of rotation will produce silver particles which will fall into a distilled pure water which is being stirred rapidly.
the spring or force pressing the 2 silver coins together will determine particle size and rate of production of silver particles......
Remember its silver particles suspended in water.
this method is crude but it will produce fine silver particles and no doubt can be refined further......any comments?
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This CS is very important and i urge everyone to study it and do trials on it to validate it further.
Other trials are being done and i will post them shortly.
Remember in the USA its very costly to do any trials unless your are a large pharma company.
THIS IS NON-PHARMA BASED AND I CAN SEE MANY BIG PHARMA EXECUTIVES who will be alarmed by this broad spectrum use as detailed above.
The point of this post is for for people to do more research and validate the results further.
ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING TO ANYONE.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND? <----(THIS IS FOR THE MTV GENERATION WHO HAVE TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING LONG SENTENCES WITH COMPLEX IDEAS AND THINK EVERYTHING IS ABOUT SELLING PRODUCT).
http://forum.aidworkers.net/messages/141/22670.html?1105057020
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The characteristics of a wonder drug: it is unlike anything known to work, vaguely described, is available on the internet, is described in scientific terms that are commonly innacurate and often mean nothing, treats are wide range of ailments, has immediate success which has only been verified in one person, evidence is presented in the absence of controls, ailments are not described in any scientific fashion, the ailments are frequently unrelated, can often cure AIDS, cancer and even the less advanced stages of death, is unconnected with any person or organisation of reputation, is potentially toxic, is often supported by irrational behaviour.
PS: http://forum.aidworkers.net/messages/141/22670.html?1105057020 has removed you from their forum believing you to be a crank.
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Is this why the latest plasters you can buy have silver in them ?
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Finstagiber.net%2Fsmiliesdotcom%2Fcontrib%2Ficw%2F003.gif&hash=f326f525e3f6c60d4ea3ecbb24d1df2a)Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Finstagiber.net%2Fsmiliesdotcom%2Fcontrib%2Ficw%2F003.gif&hash=f326f525e3f6c60d4ea3ecbb24d1df2a)
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Indeed it is a wonder drug hehe. It has some antibotic characteristics and putting it in the outter ear was an interesting application. It seems to be "safe" to use externally, and I know of no significant toxic affects.
The problem is suggesting that it is a potent cureall instead of a good for certain ailments. The silver has to either produce a toxin that kills bacteria, or react directly with the outer membrane of the bacteria. Remember that 50 microns is hugh compared to a bacteria. The 50 micron size would help it form reaction products faster.
On the skin's surface it wouldn't form much besides silver oxide. Internally, there is Silver sulphide and a host of organic molecules that could form. I suggest this because you would then produce a significant surface volumn to react with the microbs, and posibly form compounds that could pass though the intestine wall and be taken into the blood stream. Then it would be an interesting material. But until you can show a transport means to get it into the blood stream, you don't have an internal medicine that can be taken orally as was done in some of these experiments. And colloidal silver by itself is far too large to enter the blood stream.
To suggest that it is an antiviral would be a little more difficult to accept, but would again need a transport mechinism to get it into the bloodstream.
I would consider using it for external applications with a good backup anticeptic. But I would like to see some proof that the expensive material is not just going down the toilet, and they are depending on luck, fortune or fate for me to get well and tell others, or die and not be able to ask for my money back.
David
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Originally posted by David Sparkman
Indeed it is a wonder drug hehe. It has some antibotic characteristics and putting it in the outter ear was an interesting application. It seems to be "safe" to use externally, and I know of no significant toxic affects.
The problem is suggesting that it is a potent cureall instead of a good for certain ailments. The silver has to either produce a toxin that kills bacteria, or react directly with the outer membrane of the bacteria. Remember that 50 microns is hugh compared to a bacteria. The 50 micron size would help it form reaction products faster.
On the skin's surface it wouldn't form much besides silver oxide. Internally, there is Silver sulphide and a host of organic molecules that could form. I suggest this because you would then produce a significant surface volumn to react with the microbs, and posibly form compounds that could pass though the intestine wall and be taken into the blood stream. Then it would be an interesting material. But until you can show a transport means to get it into the blood stream, you don't have an internal medicine that can be taken orally as was done in some of these experiments. And colloidal silver by itself is far too large to enter the blood stream.
To suggest that it is an antiviral would be a little more difficult to accept, but would again need a transport mechinism to get it into the bloodstream.
I would consider using it for external applications with a good backup anticeptic. But I would like to see some proof that the expensive material is not just going down the toilet, and they are depending on luck, fortune or fate for me to get well and tell others, or die and not be able to ask for my money back.
David
Please,please check this out.
It explains in detail how this PARTICULAR version of cs is made and how it came to be used this way.
This was in front of Congress!
Please.
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:8i5LT-UP2xUJ:wwwc.house.gov/international_relations/109/moe042605.pdf+ASAP+SOLUTION+COLLOIDAL+SILVER++TRIALS+INDIA&hl=en%20target=nw
http://forum.aidworkers.net/messages/136/30317.html?1124060335
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You assume I haven't read it, you are wrong. The congressional record is full of all sorts of things including several telephone books senators read it during filibustors. You are approaching respectability in the wrong way.
Since you didn't understand me, I will repeat myself once more for you:
1. You must first prove the efficency of CS on what ever you are trying to kill/cure. Start with adding CS to cultures of various bacteria to see which ones are affected and at what dosage. This is pretty easy. Publish your work in the Jornal of American Medicine.
2. You must be able to show that CS can in some way or form pass though the intestine wall and enter the bloodstream where it can then reach most of the locations where bacterium grow. This will be difficult, but if you want to cure malaria, you can't do it in the stomach. It is in the blood. Perhaps you don't need to show the actual mechanism, but just dose the patients and then test their blood for silver compounds. Document your proceedures so that others can repeat them and confirm your work.
3. Move on to human trials (you may need government approval for this). Investigate all previous papers on the subject paying attention to any reports of toxicity or side effects. Come up with hard numbers on dosage levels for various dieases, and percent cure rates. Then and only then will doctors take the time to take you seriously.
4. Or you could go the homeopathic route and make all sorts of claims, rent air time, and sell to people who are desperate. But then again if you can't prove your claims, you might run into some problems. The size of the problems depend on the government you have offended.
David
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Originally posted by David Sparkman
You assume I haven't read it, you are wrong. The congressional record is full of all sorts of things including several telephone books senators read it during filibustors. You are approaching respectability in the wrong way.
Since you didn't understand me, I will repeat myself once more for you:
1. You must first prove the efficency of CS on what ever you are trying to kill/cure. Start with adding CS to cultures of various bacteria to see which ones are affected and at what dosage. This is pretty easy. Publish your work in the Jornal of American Medicine.
2. You must be able to show that CS can in some way or form pass though the intestine wall and enter the bloodstream where it can then reach most of the locations where bacterium grow. This will be difficult, but if you want to cure malaria, you can't do it in the stomach. It is in the blood. Perhaps you don't need to show the actual mechanism, but just dose the patients and then test their blood for silver compounds. Document your proceedures so that others can repeat them and confirm your work.
3. Move on to human trials (you may need government approval for this). Investigate all previous papers on the subject paying attention to any reports of toxicity or side effects. Come up with hard numbers on dosage levels for various dieases, and percent cure rates. Then and only then will doctors take the time to take you seriously.
4. Or you could go the homeopathic route and make all sorts of claims, rent air time, and sell to people who are desperate. But then again if you can't prove your claims, you might run into some problems. The size of the problems depend on the government you have offended.
David
The approch you are advocating is correct.
It requires financing .
this financing is impossible in todays corporate and vested interests environment.
The pdf file of this congressional testimony includes appendices with further research and trials done.
Also I am not sellng anything as I keep told you already.
Your approch seems to be if any new discoveries are made by non corporate bodies or individuals then it must be a scam.
Big Pharma sells vast numvers of drugs yet they are free to do what they want by the FDA and killed 245040 people from prescription drugside effects.That right 245000 dead from prescription drugs last year.This figure is from JAMA.
This figure is an under estimate as not all deaths can be attributed directly with ADRs by doctors and the reporting system is haphazard.
245000 is the same as a nuclear bomb going of in a city like Hiroshima.but lo! and behold! these poor bastards never get 50000 hours of publicity that was given to 3500 who died on 9/11 as they went out with a bang instead of a whimper.
In the London bombing 60 people died with a bang.wall to wall media coverage 24/7.
126000 people died from cancer last year in the U.K.
zero publicity.
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Silver as a cure has been around for a long time. I can buy bandaids with silver on them in Walmart. So there is some following for that already.
But if you would just do steps one and maybe steps two, you would find that funding was available. The field is very compeative. Your biggest danger is someone stealing your idea and running faster than you can with it. Now answer the question: does it really work in a petrie dish, and can you get it out of the intestines and into the bloodstream?
David
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Silver plasters. It is easy to see online that the silver plasters actually use silver ions. Silver is actually toxic, check the MSDSs, though I'd be the first to agree that an MSDS isn't the whole story. I imagine silver ions interfere with cell wall synthesis somehow, but I'm guessing. Basically it's toxic to the bacteria, and the only reason why it isn't toxic to you is the fact it is only in a high concentration in the wound.
Silver nanoparticles are a different deal, 50 nm is small enough to be uptaken into the cell, both human and bacteria. You'd have to check the literature for the details, the information is there. Also in the literature people attach antibodies and other molecules to metalic nanoparticles to try and target certain cells selectively. Basically you're about 10 years too late. I wouldn't advise you continued with the idea anyway, as you clearly don't have the medical or bioscience background required to carry out the work properly.
Being presented before congress adds no credibility to the idea, it would hardly be the first fraud laid before congress would it? The "medical science" that you report in your first post simply isn't and it is dangerous to repeat such claims as people may get suckered into using this crap and die as a result. It is for example well known that bleach kills all known bacteria, viruses and cancer cells and many of the results you report could probably be reproduced with bleach. Any doctor who used bleach in such a way should clearly be struck off, because bleach isn't a drug, it's unselective and dangerous.
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just my .02, yes I know i'm a newbie here, but I found this forum through a search for Silver Biotics (so far the 1st I found calling it a scam, or close to it). yes I'd agree the claims made by most companies making CS products come off sounding like "snake oil salesmen" lol, they do explain how the CS is supposed to work, now i'm not a Dr, or even a scientist, but the easiest analogy I can make is this, it's similar to a candle (where the virus, germ, bacteria, et al, is the flame), when lit, and left alone it burns, taking CS is supposed to be like putting a lid over the lit candle, depriving it of what it needs to survive.
John Bach
(also, not selling anything, just know people who do use CS, and reciently decided to give it a try myself)
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Did you read the date on the post you were replying to?
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My interest in this forum is in finding the least expensive Colloidal Silver without having to make my own. I have two friends I'm concerned about, one is Hep C positive and the other has Lyme disease. I'd like to get each a bottle of colloidal silver in the hopes it will cure their ailments. I've been scouring the internet and prices are ridiculous. So if anyone has any suggestions, I'm receptive. The least expensive I've found so far is a brand called [xxxxxx]. If anyone has any prior knowledge or experience with this product I'd welcome your feedback. I've looked on eBay and they took any domestic colloidal silver off their site, they only carry colloidal silver from the UK. I'd like something local. I've watched the videos on Youtube and find myself incensed at the protectionism enforced by organizations supposedly looking out for the people, but instead are puppets of the big Pharm manufacturers. I am disgusted to learn about how we the people are being kept in the dark about potential cures, and how people sharing knowledge are being targeted, and how there are sites demonizing cures simply because those cures can't be profited from by the current established medical industry. Thank God there are sites like this which can help empower people. I don't mean to get on a soapbox, but I was a Hospice volunteer for 3 1/2 years. I've seen many people die that I am now beginning to realize may not have died if they had been apprised of options being withheld them because of ignorance or control or disinformation or whatever. It's frustrating to me, but how much more frustrating it must be for those suffering. God help us.
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Yes, I've read the information. But the brand you speak of only has 10ppm for 16oz at $22. Am I mistaken? Also, it appears it is bottled in plastic which I've read causes degradation over time to the solution because there is an inherent electric charge in the hydrocarbon molecule that will draw the charged silver particles out of solution, bonding it to the side wall of the plastic container! Hence the particles are no longer in suspension and its shelf life is compromised. Therefore, I was hoping to find a better value and the brand I mentioned is 32oz at 30ppm. That's three times the potency and less expensive by volume. I was hoping someone had some information or experience they could add concerning the best value of colloidal silver products available.
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Let's not discuss brand names in your first post.
A quick internet search shows many brands supplying the solutions with varying concentrations.
The first thing I ask when I read a report like esecallum's post is where are the control groups? Was a "double-blinded" study conducted? How are they judging recovery?
The notes that I'm reading on the internet indicate there is no proven benefits of the colloidal silver solutions taken orally.
For low dose, short-term use, it sounds like the side effects are generally mild. However, if your friends choose to take the the solutions for months, or years, there is a risk of argyria. or the bluing of the skin, which apparently can be somewhat delayed with the onset, but continuing using it will cause more discoloration, which can be permanent or extended duration, even after stopping using the silver.
There may also be risks of kidney, liver, or neural damage, although these are apparently rare.
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The best value colloidal silver products are the ones you don't buy.
They don't work and they are toxic.
(Strictly speaking, silver compounds are bactericidal and they may be of some use treating burns but drinking them doesn't make a lot more sense than watered down drinking bleach)
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They don't work and they are toxic.
Unless, of course, they're designed to line the pockets of those selling them rather than do medically useful for those taking them...
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I'm not sure why this forum even allows a thread like this-there is scientific peer reviewed research that shows colloidial silver is dangerous to ingest and no scientific peer reviewed research to show it works.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html
We have people like this on the health forum I administrate-its shameful behaviour. We even had one bloke suggesting some magic water for kidney patients - turned out it was salted water......
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Colloidal Silver Generator GSK-3 sold by BROWAREC : SCAM !!! DON'T BUY !!!
I recently purchased a GSK-3 which is a total scam. I had to send it back.
It is sold as a high-tech generator but produced a cloudy liquid with a lot of big silver particles visible with Tyndall effect, whatever the settings you use (I did about 20 different tests, all unsuccessful).
It is impossible to switch-off the "Reverse Polarity" of the electrodes, resulting in a mix of silver oxyde and big silver particles (normally attracted and hold by the anode).
I used pure distilled water (as usual), reputable silver wires from Atlasnova, heating plate, magnetic stirrer (with or without), … but no success whatever I tried.
The GSK-3 offers a lot of configurations (current level, timer, auto OFF, automatic reverse polarity, history, ...) but even with this "advanced technology" the result is catastrophic.
I make colloidal silver for more than 10 years and this is the worst generator ever built on earth from all the models I tested.
The seller is also totally unfriendly and not cooperative. I had to open a case with Paypal for refund.
DON'T BUY IT !!!
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Silver is a useful antibacterial wound dressing, with plenty of good trial data and several professional materials on the market, but I know of no use for a solution or suspension taken internally.
Copper is an excellent antifouling agent for ships' bottoms - same principle, but lethal for trees and humans.