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Title: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: taregg on 09/02/2013 18:10:22
by steps...please.
Title: Re: how to make rat glue formally
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/02/2013 18:39:07
You still will have to explain that.
Title: Re: how can you make a rat glue formula
Post by: taregg on 09/02/2013 20:31:56
 its like a crazy question but what i mean how to make a homemade  glue very stike and drise very slowely....sorry for disturbed...
Title: Re: how can you make a rat glue formula
Post by: RD on 09/02/2013 20:32:31
Quote from: taregg
Q. how can you make a rat glue ...

You still will have to explain that.

It's not glue made from rats :¬) , it's glue to trap rats : think heavy-duty fly-paper* ...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Rat-glue_trap.jpg/320px-Rat-glue_trap.jpg)
Sticky end for Roland Rat.

The people who make rat glue also sell epoxy-type glue.

[ * flypaper can be made with sugar ]
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: CliffordK on 09/02/2013 21:41:15
I would think that you would do well with building something like a replica of the La Brea Tar Pits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Brea_Tar_Pits) in your back yard 

You'll find many formulas for making paper-mache type glue, usually flour based, perhaps with some wall paper paste added, primarily to prevent decomposition.

Your issue with the sticky traps is finding something that will maintain its tackiness over time.  Tar will maintain its stickiness over time, especially during the hot summer, but tends to eventually crust over.  And your neighborhood rats may not choose to walk over it.

Are there volatiles in tar?  Perhaps one could control the volatiles to prevent it from drying out or smelling.

Anyway, I'm thinking of "Kitchen Science" experiments of what kinds of things tend to make a sticky, gooey mess. 
Syrups and Honey tend to be quite sticky.  Honey has a problem that it will crystallize when it cools down.  I believe both syrup and honey do have some water content, so evaporation still may be an issue.  You may try something like a flour as a thickening agent.
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/02/2013 22:06:55
Seems rather inhumane to me.
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: JP on 09/02/2013 22:30:13
Seems rather inhumane to me.

Yep.  Their use is controversial, though legal in most places in the US, at least. 
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: evan_au on 10/02/2013 03:56:04
I think any tar pits in the middle east will be immediately taken over by the government for oil drilling.
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: RD on 10/02/2013 12:42:58
A non-Newtonian liquid* may work ...
supporting Roland as he rapidly scampers across it's surface, but allowing him to sink when he remains still whilst nibbling the bait.

[ * for rat-catching don't use one which is edible, like custard ]
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: CliffordK on 10/02/2013 19:24:48
[ * for rat-catching don't use one which is edible, like custard ]

Yes, I was wondering about my syrup and honey idea.  It might make a good meal for the pests.

Your custard idea is interesting.  Rather than making a sticky paper, one could make a small pan full of a substance that would maintain tacky properties, and the rat would be unable to extract itself out of.

----------

What about Duct Tape?
It is good for just about everything else in the world.   [:o]
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: Bored chemist on 10/02/2013 21:56:39
How about not trapping the rats and leaving them to starve to death?.
How much effort are people going to put into torturing rats?
Why not just kill them quickly without going all "High tech"?
http://www.diy.com/nav/garden/garden-care-watering/pest-weed-control/animal_control/-specificproducttype-rat___mouse_control/Rentokil-Advanced-Rat-Traps-Twin-Pack-Fr51-11327720?skuId=11838425
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: RE.Craig on 12/02/2013 07:37:47
A very good "glue" trap for rats can be made by filling a shallow baking tray with a mixture of cornflour and cold water. Mix it to it.s semi-liquid state and set your bait in the middle as soon as the rats feet hit the mixture it becomes rock solid and inescapable. 
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: RD on 12/02/2013 13:09:19
... a shallow baking tray with a mixture of cornflour and cold water.

The non-newtonian custard I mentioned above (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=46900.msg404804#msg404804) is cornflour,
( seems counter-productive to lay an edible trap though: it would be possible to nibble the edges without getting stuck ).
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: john123john on 24/04/2018 16:50:35
yo! Guys, can someone here advice a good glue for a diy rat trap in my house?
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/04/2018 19:21:57
How about not trapping the rats and leaving them to starve to death?.
How much effort are people going to put into torturing rats?
Why not just kill them quickly without going all "High tech"?
http://www.diy.com/nav/garden/garden-care-watering/pest-weed-control/animal_control/-specificproducttype-rat___mouse_control/Rentokil-Advanced-Rat-Traps-Twin-Pack-Fr51-11327720?skuId=11838425

Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: SuperKidsNurse on 04/05/2019 21:58:31
by steps...please.
You’ll need:
  Corn Syrup
  Pan
  Wooden spoon
  Container to store the glue in (with air tight lid)

Take a bottle of corn syrup and pour it into the pan (notice how much the pan is filled when you pour it in and note where in the pan is just above half of that-60%)
Heat on medium heat, stirring, until it is approximately 60% of what you started with.
Pour it into the storage container

Use on mice/rat glue boards or other projects as needed.
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: alancalverd on 05/05/2019 10:03:32
Get a dog. Much more fun.
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/05/2019 10:14:44
Get a dog. Much more fun.
And probably kinder to the rat. Still a painful terrifying death, but at least it's much faster.
Title: Re: how can you make a glue formula
Post by: alancalverd on 05/05/2019 11:28:45
Anyone who doesn't like dogs killing rats, should complain to the deity that created disease-carrying vermin and opportunist carnivores.

I was working with a vet a few years back. A woman brought in a  very sad looking pigeon that she had just rescued from a sparrowhawk. The pigeon was beyond hope so a kindly nurse wrung its neck and said to the woman "so what is the hawk going to have for lunch now?"