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On the Lighter Side => That CAN'T be true! => Topic started by: tine204 on 14/10/2017 00:30:38
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I would like to test some of my plans for perpetual motion device, all of them are made of steel, mechanical, I am not very familiar with computers, so if someone wants to use software and put these plans on test, please let me know, in case we will found out that it might work, you can become an co owner of this technology, sorry for bad english
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There are devices that have what I'll call "apparent" perpetual motion, but that is only because there is some form of energy entering the system that the observer hasn't accounted for.
Otherwise, you don't need any software at all to test your perpetual motion machine. It doesn't work. The laws of thermodynamics won't allow it.
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The best software for testing a perpetual motion machine is the human brain that invented it. Ask yourself "where is the energy coming from?"
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Computer models and software depend on 2-D logic (cause and affect), therefore it may be possible to develop software to demonstrate perpetual motion, even though it is not possible in the real world. Let me demonstrate this with an example, Below is a variation of a work of art called the stairway to nowhere.
In this work of art, one is given the impression of always walking upward on a staircase, even though you return to where you started. It is a cyclic event, generating whats appears to be a constant potential energy gain.
If we look at the art work as a plot of raw data, we can fit this raw data with the best curve, as shown, and then create a mathematical equation of the curve. This equation can then be used to generate this data and curve allowing perpetual motion on the computer screen.
Such Illusions of 3-D are possible using 2-D logic and the computer screen, however, they are not possible in the laboratory 3-D environment. We cannot do this in the real world, since it is a spatial illusion in 2-D.
(https://andreacasalotti.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/tumblr-escher-animation.gif?w=1200)
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In an infinite void a particle will have perpetual motion. However two obstacles arise. Firstly creating an infinite void. Secondly, and most importantly, the lack of useable energy from inertial motion in this scenario. Overcome these and you are onto a winner. ;D
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Perhaps some kind sou can run + debug this program for me.
10 OPSTRING$ ="Is this a perpetual motion design"
20 PRINT OPSTRING$
30 INPUT A$
40 IF LEFT(A$,1)="y" OR LEFT(A$,1)="Y" THEN PRINT "NO, IT DOES NOT WORK" : GOTO 60
50 PRINT " IT MIGHT WORK"
60 END
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Perhaps some kind sou can run + debug this program for me.
10 OPSTRING$ ="Is this a perpetual motion design"
20 PRINT OPSTRING$
30 INPUT A$
40 IF LEFT(A$,1)="y" OR LEFT(A$,1)="Y" THEN PRINT "NO, IT DOES NOT WORK" : GOTO 60
50 PRINT " IT MIGHT WORK"
60 END
You have a coding error at line 60. To reflect the persistence of perpetual motion enthusiasts it should be 60 GOTO 10
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Perhaps some kind sou can run + debug this program for me.
10 OPSTRING$ ="Is this a perpetual motion design"
20 PRINT OPSTRING$
30 INPUT A$
40 IF LEFT(A$,1)="y" OR LEFT(A$,1)="Y" THEN PRINT "NO, IT DOES NOT WORK" : GOTO 60
50 PRINT " IT MIGHT WORK"
60 END
You have a coding error at line 60. To reflect the persistence of perpetual motion enthusiasts it should be 60 GOTO 10
I didn't want to encourage them to think that they might, one day, get a different answer.
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Findings examples of perpetual motion is no great problem but to find one from which you can extract energy is quite impossible
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I would like to test some of my plans for perpetual motion device, all of them are made of steel,
Not a problem in this case
"I would like to test some of my plans for perpetual motion device, all of them are made of steel,"
residual magnetism in the steel will induce eddy currents in other bits, so the device will get warm,.
I can use a heat engine to extract power from it... until it stops.
Internal friction of elastically strained pars will do the same thing if you don't use steel.
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Computer models and software depend on 2-D logic (cause and affect), therefore it may be possible to develop software to demonstrate perpetual motion, even though it is not possible in the real world.
"Garbage in, garbage out." I earn a living creating computer simulations of structural assemblies. You start out with a blank slate. Nothing exists in the simulation unless you insert it into the simulation, so if you leave out something significant you get a very pretty mulit-color image of your structure that wasn't worth the effort it took to create it. All its predictions are wrong. In my department all of the simulations must be peer reviewed, and the reviews are brutally honest All the assumptions and conclusions are inspected with a microscope. You learn pretty quick not to be sloppy in your thinking.