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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: katieHaylor on 01/11/2017 16:18:09

Title: How frequent are gravitational waves?
Post by: katieHaylor on 01/11/2017 16:18:09
Patrick asks:

Do gravitational waves *only* appear when massive objects collide? Or do
we create really tiny waves all the time as we move about?


Can you help?
Title: Re: How frequent are gravitational waves?
Post by: jeffreyH on 01/11/2017 18:37:09
Any object with mass that accelerates will radiate gravitational waves. This includes all objects in orbit. That is a lot of gravitational radiation. This is not easily detected since gravity is weak. It takes a lot of mass and a lot of acceleration for the waves to become detectable. Hence why neutron star and black hole mergers were detected.
Title: Re: How frequent are gravitational waves?
Post by: Bill S on 01/11/2017 19:33:13
Quote from: Jeffrey
Any object with mass that accelerates will radiate gravitational waves.

Presumably E=mc^2 would imply that this would also be the case for moving energy, so gravitational waves' could radiate more gravitational waves? 
Title: Re: How frequent are gravitational waves?
Post by: jeffreyH on 01/11/2017 20:07:36
Hmmmm... Interesting thought.
Title: Re: How frequent are gravitational waves?
Post by: Kryptid on 01/11/2017 20:25:48
Any object with mass that accelerates will radiate gravitational waves. This includes all objects in orbit. That is a lot of gravitational radiation. This is not easily detected since gravity is weak. It takes a lot of mass and a lot of acceleration for the waves to become detectable. Hence why neutron star and black hole mergers were detected.

I've read that it needs to be a gravitational quadrupole specifically (i.e. a perfect sphere will not radiate gravitational waves). I don't know for sure if that's true or not. It was a long time ago when I read it.
Title: Re: How frequent are gravitational waves?
Post by: evan_au on 01/11/2017 20:27:05
Quote from: Patrick
do we create really tiny gravitational waves all the time as we move about?
Yes.
The Earth orbiting the Sun radiates about 200W of gravitational waves - much less energy than your car engine emits while idling. With current techniques we have no way to detect such low power gravitational waves.

Humans walking, or Newton's apple falling under Earth's gravitational attraction radiates far less energy again.

LIGO & VIRGO are continually struggling with vibrations from earthquakes, thermal vibrations of atoms in the mirrors, and phase noise in their lasers - this makes it hard to measure the tiny vibrations caused by gravitational waves.

But even then, there is probably a considerable background noise of gravitational waves from multiple spiraling neutron stars and black holes that are individually too small to extract from the noise until they get into their final, dramatic, last few seconds. Plus one-off impulses from supernova and starquakes that don't have the telltale chirp signal of merging binaries. In addition to events that are at too low frequency for LIGO (<50Hz, like orbiting supermassive black holes) or too high frequency for LIGO (> 1kHz, like asymmetrical millisecond pulsars).

If and when LISA, the space-based gravitational wave detector becomes operational, we should be able to detect more of these events (especially the low-frequency ones) with much greater sensitivity. Perhaps even detecting multiple different binary systems long before they actually merge.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Interferometer_Space_Antenna
Title: Re: How frequent are gravitational waves?
Post by: jeffreyH on 01/11/2017 23:07:19
But if the hypothetical graviton is anything like the gluon then it can emit or absorb gravitons. So in this case the energy is in the particle and depends upon wavelength. Not that you would be able to detect such a small increase in energy.
Title: Re: How frequent are gravitational waves?
Post by: evan_au on 02/11/2017 09:06:52
Quote from: Kryptid
I've read that it needs to be a gravitational quadrupole
If two equal masses are rotating around each other 100 times per second, the radiated gravitational waves have a frequency of 200Hz.

On the other hand, if you had positive and negative charges of equal magnitude  (a dipole) rotating around each other 100 times per second, the radiated electromagnetic waves would have a frequency of only 100Hz.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrupole#Gravitational_quadrupole
Title: Re: How frequent are gravitational waves?
Post by: yor_on on 04/11/2017 14:46:34
You're correct Kryptid,  you usually are :)

https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=204