Naked Science Forum
Non Life Sciences => Geology, Palaeontology & Archaeology => Topic started by: profound on 21/05/2018 22:01:26
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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals
''The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had “dark to black” skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain’s oldest complete skeleton has revealed.
The fossil, known as Cheddar Man, was unearthed more than a century ago in Gough’s Cave in Somerset. Intense speculation has built up around Cheddar Man’s origins and appearance because he lived shortly after the first settlers crossed from continental Europe to Britain at the end of the last ice age. People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population.
Combing human genome reveals roots of hair diversity
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It was initially assumed that Cheddar Man had pale skin and fair hair, but his DNA paints a different picture, strongly suggesting he had blue eyes, a very dark brown to black complexion and dark curly hair....'''
In feb 2018 it was confirmed via genome that white people are descended from black skinned people with curly hair.
This caused a huge storm on twitter with many people angry and enraged and calling into doubt the
science.
Many people were shocked and furious
Many white people feel ashamed at being descended from perceived inferiors and want the research to be discredited.
Since most people here are white how do you feel 3 months later?
Do you feel ashamed?
embarrassed?
angry?
enraged?
When you see black people how do you feel?
betrayed ?
In your daily life how do you cope?
When in bed at night and when you are staring at the ceiling in the dark what thoughts come to your mind now?
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It's been widely accepted for a long time that we are all descended from dark-skinned people in Africa, so it's not like this discovery is news in that regard. It makes no difference to me what color my ancestors were.
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It's been widely accepted for a long time that we are all descended from dark-skinned people in Africa, so it's not like this discovery is news in that regard. It makes no difference to me what color my ancestors were.
I agree, I had always assumed our ancestors were black/dark skinned, but slowly adapted to the lower light levels of northern lattitudes. Can’t see why anyone would get upset about that?
In the UK we are a very mongrel race anyway with invaders from way back.
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It's been widely accepted for a long time that we are all descended from dark-skinned people in Africa, so it's not like this discovery is news in that regard. It makes no difference to me what color my ancestors were.
I agree, I had always assumed our ancestors were black/dark skinned, but slowly adapted to the lower light levels of northern lattitudes. Can’t see why anyone would get upset about that?
In the UK we are a very mongrel race anyway with invaders from way back.
But white people have assumed superiority over blacks so it must mean hidden resentment and anger to your I D to be a descendent of the inferior folks as portrayed by the media.
Did you not listen to the massive S*** STORM on twitter?
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But white people have assumed superiority over blacks so it must mean hidden resentment and anger to your I D to be a descendent of the inferior folks as portrayed by the media.
You make it sound like "white people" are a hive mind.
Did you not listen to the massive S*** STORM on twitter?
No, actually. This is the first I've heard of it.
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I am intrigued that anyone can discern the color of an invisible author, but anyway....
(a) the fact that some whites in the past (or even today) assumed (and asserted by violence) some level of superiority over blacks has no impact on my thinking. There are still flat-earthers and aetherists among us - even in this forum!
(b) what kind of moron gives a crap about twitter? Has it ever spread joy or wisdom?
(c) the advantage of being an overweight white male Jewish pro-Brexit vegetarian intellectual is that everyone else thinks they have a reason to despise you but it doesn't matter because you know you are the best - your mum told you!
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I agree with Alan, I have no interest whatsoever in the ramblings of the emotionally challenged.
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bUT YOU
I am intrigued that anyone can discern the color of an invisible author, but anyway....
(a) the fact that some whites in the past (or even today) assumed (and asserted by violence) some level of superiority over blacks has no impact on my thinking. There are still flat-earthers and aetherists among us - even in this forum!
(b) what kind of moron gives a crap about twitter? Has it ever spread joy or wisdom?
(c) the advantage of being an overweight white male Jewish pro-Brexit vegetarian intellectual is that everyone else thinks they have a reason to despise you but it doesn't matter because you know you are the best - your mum told you!
But you still have not explained your feelings and reaction when you first heard the news and how people around you reacted and how your sleep was that night.
Twitter is a snapshot of people feelings.
I suggest you look at the reactions on twitter going back to Feb this year.
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But you still have not explained your feelings and reaction when you first heard the news
A bit of intrigue and surprise, then mostly apathy.
and how people around you reacted
I haven't observed anyone else's reaction to it in person.
and how your sleep was that night.
I have chronic insomnia, so not all that great. I don't think Cheddar Man crossed my mind though.
Twitter is a snapshot of people feelings.
Twitter doesn't speak for everyone.
I suggest you look at the reactions on twitter going back to Feb this year.
People say a lot of stupid things on the Internet. I see it often enough without even having to go look for it.
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But you still have not explained your feelings and reaction when you first heard the news
My reaction: Clever bit of detection. Isn’t it interesting how often science provides evidence for something we already “knew”?
I bet that will upset a few white supremacists. (I said that to my son, who agreed).
Cheddar Man? Don’t think I knew about him; perhaps because he’s a lot older than I am.
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Twitter is a snapshot of people feelings.
No, it is a collection of statements by people with no real friends, nor anything to say that would take more than 140 characters or be of interest to a publisher or broadcaster. Or in the case of the President of the United States of America, people with nothing better to do in the toilet.
Thus pre-selected, you can expect twitter to be biased towards the bitter and deluded author.
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But you still have not explained your feelings and reaction when you first heard the news and how people around you reacted and how your sleep was that night.
I first learned that homo sapiens originated in Africa and lost its pigmentation over many generations as it migrated northwards, in about 1950.
I can recall my reaction as "interesting", and AFAIK I slept like an exhausted 5-year-old after chasing the dog around the park just like most days.
Not sure I can "explain" my feelings and reaction: I think some of us are just born to be scientists.
"People around me" were generally educated and aware of evolution and migration, so none of this was news to anyone who had attended primary school or visited the Natural History Museum.