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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Zwenzor on 14/07/2019 15:04:23
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What is gravity???
Well nobody knows exactly. But everybody can come with their theories. I have one as well. I’m not a scientist , but i like to observe the things around me .
My theory start like this :
1 The gravity is a centrifugal force. Any object that spins around he’s axis can generate gravity. But the bigger the object , the bigger the force of gravity. Lets make simple than that , think about the simple toy in the world ” whirligig “. When they spin they generate friction and centrifugal force that can make it behave the way they do.
2 I think the force of gravity is equal with the mas of the object / centrifugal speed of the object.
The bigger the mass and the centrifugal speed , the bigger the gravity. I think the sun right now is spinning with a tremendous speed around its axis , but u cant see that of course because just hes core is spinning and the mass around it staying still because cant keep up , but the gravity keep the mass around it . A good example , what happen to a “whirligig” when the force of the speed slowing down? He’s axis starting to deteriorate and eventually he gonna lose control and stops. That’s why the sun it gonna evolve in a red giant , because the centrifugal force of the sun is slowing down and the gravity force with it , and the mass exapands .
3 take our planet for example , we are spinning right now , that spin generate the gravity that keeps this world together. The life of all the galaxys around us is thanks to speed alone , speed gives life .
A sun in he’s final stage when he don’t have speed anymore become a super nova, I think that’s Coulomb force. When something stops it dies. And I think everything spins in the same way , anticlockwise.
4 Lets have for example again the black holes . They have the biggest spin in the universe that’s why it bends the space around them and it can connect with another space . They are like water mesh. If u put a corp in the water and spin that corp with a tremendous speed u gonna create a water mesh and the corp begin to sink. Is the same think in the universe . Like the space ships that we’v seen in the movies , they are round and big and they spin around their axis , that’s create gravity . if u spin a corp in a vacuum it behave different from the corp that u spin it on earth where u already have a gravity force involve. On earth when u put water on a ball and u spin the ball , all the water from the ball will be discarded . Well in a vacuum acts different , it pulls everything around it , when I no other forces involve. So if u put water in space on a ball and start that ball to spin it around her axis u gonna see how the water stick to the ball.
5 Black holes I think they spin different from our universe clockwise , that’s why they are made from antimatter , that’s why the forces cancel each other . I think on the other side of the hole is another workd that’s spins clockwise . Every atom or the smallest particle in our world spins in the same way so we will never see the other world because is impossible. U cant travel there because every atom in your body will be cancel with the same amount of energy from the other world. Think about it the chinese sign YNG and YANG, they are equal and balance.
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The gravity is a centrifugal force. Any object that spins around he’s axis can generate gravity.
I think the force of gravity is equal with the mas of the object / centrifugal speed of the object.
The bigger the mass and the centrifugal speed
Things which do not spin still have gravity.
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Pls tell me a celestial body that have gravity and dont spin. but i want u to excude the ones that have the gravity less than one G, those are different and i have other theories about them.
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Pls tell me a celestial body that have gravity and dont spin. but i want u to excude the ones that have the gravity less than one G, those are different and i have other theories about them.
That does not make sense.
Gravity is gravity.
It does not matter if you are talking about big things like planets or small things like the weights used in Cavendish's experiment.
those are different
Prove it.
Also explain why small things like satellites have the same gravitational effects on them as big things like the moon?
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I was expecting to say that. Well is simple , the moon is standing still ? the universe is like a song , is conected . the sun have the bigest gravitation pull in our solar system , our earth is spining around him and that gravitation is entangle with earth gravitation making the earth spining around him , like the rulete , but earth have hes own rulete and is smaler because earth have less gravitaion pull than the sun, hes rotaion speed is not big enough to make the moon spining. thats why the moon dont spin around he's axis and have less gravitation pull. take for example Mars , if u manage to make Mars spin faster we can change the value of her gravitaion pull . You know Mars have less gravitation than earth because her spin is slower than earth . I dont have the data to prove it , but i'm sure of it , Mars rotation is slower than earth.
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I dont have the data to prove it ,
Find some.
In particular, you should be able to find the tangential velocity and the surface gravitational pull of the planets and moons in the solar system.
That should be enough to see if you are on the right track with this idea
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I think the force of gravity is equal with the mas of the object / centrifugal speed of the object.
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well i think u cant do that , to tell u the true , i think nobody knows for sure the real speed of earth right now, is very hard to get those numbers . Think about it , from how many layers earth is made? the earth is not colled , he's core i damn hot , that meas u cant tell what is the speed of earth core , the last layer is moving slower than the core for sure , the best data is to find out the speed of earth core , like i sayd with the sun , is not about what u see on the surface , the suns core is spining with large speed and the hot matter u can see it on the surface is like standing still. the same goes for earth .
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Take Jupiter for example , how can u tell the real spining speed of the planet ? can u get the exact numbers ? nobody cant , becasue u need some data from inside the planet , from the core.
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well i think u cant do that
Your idea; your job.
Come back when you have the numbers even if it's just for the rocky planets.
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Ok i'l try my best , i'm prety sure thats the real answer for gravity , i feel it in my bones.
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"I think the force of gravity is equal with the mas of the object / centrifugal speed of the object."
Well, here are some data from the web (The formatting's a bit shot)
Planet Gravitational acceleration diameter circumference Day speed mass
Mercury 3.7 4,879.40 15326.1954 58.5 261.9862462 3.00E+23
Mars 3.7 6779 21292.839 1 21292.839 6.40E+23
Earth 9.8 12742 40022.622 1 40022.622 6.00E+24
Venus 8.87 12014 37735.974 116 325.3101207 4.80E+24
Moon 1.62 3,474.20 10912.4622 29.5 369.9139729 7.30E+22
And, if your suggested formula was right then the points on this graph would fall on a straight line.
They don't.
So you are wrong.
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Ok i'l try my best , i'm prety sure thats the real answer for gravity , i feel it in my bones.
Science stopped relying on that sort of thing a long time ago (and for this sort of reason).
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thats why the moon dont spin around he's axis
The Moon does spin on its axis. Its rotation rate is equal to the time it takes to complete one orbit around the Earth.
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well the thing is like i sayd before , those numbers that u post there they aren't realy precise , do obtain the real thing u need the spin of the core of planets not the surface. u cant obtain the data from that . My bealeave is if u we can get that data we will have the real gravity pull of a planet. Take example earth we found out couples of years ago that our earth core is spining much faster than the surface. we dont have the advance technology to find out the real speed of earth core at the momment. I think we need better understanding of our earth core before we go any further with my ideea. My theory is baze on planets cores speed . I'm prety sure thats our answer for gravity , i'm gonna stick with this and i'l try to demonstrate that , but it gonna take a wile. For the momment i need more data.
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The planets are near enough to solid that all the material in, say the Earth, rotates in 24 hrs.
Take example earth we found out couples of years ago that our earth core is spining much faster than the surface.
Really?
How much of it?
Don't forget that the centre is not moving so fast as the outer layers.?My theory is baze on planets cores speed .
Show us the data, or stop wasting time.
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i will soon.but not here.
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Take example earth we found out couples of years ago that our earth core is spining much faster than the surface
No it doesn't. It rotates only very, very slightly faster. Take the quote from the following source: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html
The inner core rotates in the same direction as the Earth and slightly faster, completing its once-a-day rotation about two-thirds of a second faster than the entire Earth.
we dont have the advance technology to find out the real speed of earth core at the momment.
Yes we do. Here is a quote from the link I posted:
The scientists made their finding by measuring changes in the speed of earthquake-generated seismic waves that pass through the inner core.
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That's not a precise measurement, thats not the core speed for sure. That's only a estimate number. The earth core speed is much biger. You are doing the same thing , u trowing at me with unprecise data. I dont have the numbers yet , but i'l have them in the near future. i read that paper aswell , is not precise , those numbers are just estimate numbers. beside that they dont even give the numbers , they just say the earth core moving much faster with a 2 thirds of a second , 465 m/s or 1675 km/h is the speed rotation of earth first layer ,thats means the core is moving with 775 m/s or 2790 Km/h , but those are just estimate numbers , what u need is -1 / +1 error rate. The gravity is a bitch , u cant play with it.
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That's not a precise measurement
My assertion was that the core rotates at pretty much the same rate.
It seems a better measurement is
about two-thirds of a second faster than the entire Earth.
That's an imprecision of 0.00087%
If you can show an agreement anything like that good we might start to take your idea seriously.
I say "might"- we won't really, because your answer is wrong by dimensional analysis.
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That's not a precise measurement
Measuring the rotation rate of the Earth's core down to 2/3 of a second isn't precise?
thats not the core speed for sure.
So you think that you know better than seismologists who perform actual experiments and measurements?
That's only a estimate number.
It's an actual measurement, not an estimate.
The earth core speed is much biger.
So you think those scientists are lying?
You are doing the same thing , u trowing at me with unprecise data.
As Bored Chemist pointed out, measuring the Earth's core rotation down to 2/3 of a second is a precision of 0.00087%. How is that not precise? It's a lot better than the +/-1 that you want.
I dont have the numbers yet
If you don't know how fast the core is rotating, then you cannot assert that it is much larger than what actual scientists say that it is.
beside that they dont even give the numbers , they just say the earth core moving much faster with a 2 thirds of a second
It's easy enough to calculate from existing data. The Earth rotates once every 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4.1 seconds (or 86,164.1 seconds). If the Earth's core rotates 2/3 of a second faster, then the core rotates once every 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4.767 seconds (or 86,164.767 seconds) That means that the core completes a rotation about 1.0000077 times faster than the crust.
465 m/s or 1675 km/h is the speed rotation of earth first layer ,thats means the core is moving with 775 m/s or 2790 Km/h
Your math is way off. Completing a rotation 2/3 of a second faster is not the same as being 2/3 faster. The circumference of the inner core is about 7,665 kilometers, so if it completes a rotation in 86,164.767 seconds, that's a rotational speed of 0.088963 kilometers per second (or 320.27 kilometers per hour).
but those are just estimate numbers
You need to learn the difference between an estimate and an actual measurement.
what u need is -1 / +1 error rate.
The precision, as pointed out by Bored Chemist, is already much better than that.
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well , u ever thought that all we know is not enough ? we are calculating those factors with what we know from einstein theory , but maybe is not supose to look at my ideea from that perspective , we have to think a litle bit outside the box. maybe those laws is not aply to my theory,
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well , u ever thought that all we know is not enough ?
No one ever said we knew everything, but we do know enough to come to certain conclusions with high probability.
we are calculating those factors with what we know from einstein theory
That doesn't have anything to do with how fast the Earth's core rotates.
but maybe is not supose to look at my ideea from that perspective , we have to think a litle bit outside the box. maybe those laws is not aply to my theory,
Relativity has passed every test of it done to date. Any model you make is going to have to take that into account if you want it to be realistic.
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gravity is the deflection point of two different waves produced by angular momentum.
it's force produces a tangent warping in a conserved quantity.