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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Yahya A.Sharif on 29/07/2019 13:00:58

Title: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Yahya A.Sharif on 29/07/2019 13:00:58
A robot could be designed to react to an artificial pain anything, screaming, moving when is hit,, artificial sexual reacting towards another robot , even having sex with another robot, thinking as well , but this robot won't feel or aware of its own existence.
Humans feels and aware of their existence, they aware of their themselves.
What is different between a living creature and anything else  is consciousness of their own existence , life  composed of this awareness and things that distinguish them between a dead body like motion , however pain, joy, motion, feelings, reproduction is only part of life that can be shared between a living thing and a well designed robot but the only thing that distinguish humans and robots is our awareness of our existence.
Awareness of something like pain is what makes us humans, it is not a problem for robot to feel and react to artificial pain but it will be a problem for humans  , being aware of pain is what make us living beings

Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/07/2019 19:50:10
No.
Plants are alive
single cell animals are alive.

But the interesting question here is; how on earth did you think you were somehow to redefine a word that has been well defined for centuries?
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Kryptid on 29/07/2019 19:51:42
but this robot won't feel or aware of its own existence.

How do you know that? One day an artificial intelligence may indeed be consciously aware.
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/07/2019 20:12:16
And, of course, we don't die when we go to bed.
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Yahya A.Sharif on 31/07/2019 15:31:55
One day....
This day has not come yet.
an artificial intelligence may indeed be consciously aware.

It didn't happen yet.
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Yahya A.Sharif on 31/07/2019 15:36:57
but this robot won't feel or aware of its own existence.
How do you know that?
because it can't tell that by its own.
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Yahya A.Sharif on 31/07/2019 15:39:21
No.
Plants are alive
single cell animals are alive.
They feel


But the interesting question here is; how on earth did you think you were somehow to redefine a word that has been well defined for centuries?
It is not interesting
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Kryptid on 31/07/2019 16:39:10
This day has not come yet.
It didn't happen yet.

Are you arguing that because something hasn't happened yet that it cannot happen?

because it can't tell that by its own.

How do you know?
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Yahya A.Sharif on 31/07/2019 16:45:56

Are you arguing that because something hasn't happened yet that it cannot happen?
It is irrelevant, it is enough your question " How do you know that"

because it can't tell that by its own.

How do you know?
Ask one that is not programmed to say " I exist"
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Yahya A.Sharif on 31/07/2019 17:31:16
And, of course, we don't die when we go to bed.
We are not  alive, and we are not dead,  our brains work like a computer with dream videos, and our hearts beat like a robot thing
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Kryptid on 31/07/2019 21:42:16
It is irrelevant, it is enough your question " How do you know that"

It most certainly is relevant. It's a logical fallacy to think that something can't happen because it hasn't happened yet.

Ask one that is not programmed to say " I exist"

Fulfilling this request at the present moment would be meaningless, because the lack of self-awareness in an existing computer wouldn't rule out self-awareness in future computers.
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Yahya A.Sharif on 31/07/2019 21:59:41

Fulfilling this request at the present moment would be meaningless, because the lack of self-awareness in an existing computer wouldn't rule out self-awareness in future computers.
Obviously wrong.
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Kryptid on 31/07/2019 22:01:33
Obviously wrong.

Sounds like you are repeating the "if it can't be done now, it can never be done" fallacy.
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Yahya A.Sharif on 31/07/2019 22:09:46
It's a logical fallacy to think that something can't happen because it hasn't happened yet.
My idea is about the present time. Now it is right .Let it be wrong in the future, when people are certain of self-awareness of computers
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Kryptid on 31/07/2019 22:10:58
Now it is right

We don't know that either. There might be self-aware computers constructed by advanced, alien civilizations on some distant planet right now.
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Yahya A.Sharif on 31/07/2019 22:14:05
Now it is right

We don't know that either. There might be self-aware computers constructed by advanced, alien civilizations on some distant planet right now.
Let it be wrong when scientist are certain about self-awareness of computers in another planet.
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Yahya A.Sharif on 31/07/2019 22:16:03
alien civilizations on some distant planet right now.
aliens are myths and modern legends
Title: Re: Life is awareness of our existence
Post by: Kryptid on 31/07/2019 22:18:20
Let it be wrong when scientist are certain about self-awareness of computers in another planet.

The problem is that you can't declare yourself right about something if you might be wrong. You can say, "as far as I know, I'm right", but even that comes up to debate.

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aliens are myths and modern legends

How do you know that they don't exist?