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Title: Can I assume that Coulomb's law applies in water?
Post by: theThinker on 21/02/2020 10:55:02
1) Can I assume that Coulombs law applies in water by replacing the the ε₀ for vacuum with
ε_water= ε₀ * water-dielectric-constant (about 80).
2) If 1) is true, what is the force between 2 charges +Q, +Q on the opposite surface of a water tank (assume ideal conditions) with separation d.

Thinker.
Title: Re: Can I assume that Coulomb's law applies in water?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/02/2020 12:59:50
Yes, but not for long.
Water conducts electricity
A capacitor using water as the dielectric will self-discharge with a time constant of the resistivity times the permittivity.
Typically 180 ยต seconds.
Less if the water is warmer than 20C or contains impurities.
Title: Re: Can I assume that Coulomb's law applies in water?
Post by: theThinker on 21/02/2020 14:05:18
I will edit my post:
1) Can I assume that Coulombs law applies in water by replacing the the ε₀ for vacuum with
ε_water= ε₀ * water-dielectric-constant (about 80).
2) If 1) is true, assume two small metal balls charged with +Q and insulated so that the charge cannot escape. They are place far apart distance d in water. What is the force between the metal balls.
 

Thinker.
Title: Re: Can I assume that Coulomb's law applies in water?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/02/2020 18:06:54
You can use coulomb's law to calculate the force.
However, unless it's measured very quickly, the water will conduct it to nothing.
Title: Re: Can I assume that Coulomb's law applies in water?
Post by: theThinker on 21/02/2020 22:58:35
You can use coulomb's law to calculate the force.
However, unless it's measured very quickly, the water will conduct it to nothing.
But it has been assumed the charges of the two metal balls are insulated and cannot escape.
Title: Re: Can I assume that Coulomb's law applies in water?
Post by: Paul25 on 19/03/2020 15:01:07
I think in that case a different value is assigned to k