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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Yusup Hizirov on 27/02/2020 02:43:49
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Hello everybody!
The Coriolis effect occurs when an object approaches or moves away from the axis of the Earth.
At the same time, when an object that moves on the Earth approaches or moves away from the axis of the Sun, the Coriolis solar force arises.
Coriolis's deflecting solar power, due to the axial and orbital rotation of the Earth, is much more complicated.
The course of the Volga River is constantly pressed against the west bank by the Coriolis force of the Earth.
And the solar Coriolis effect, due to the axial and orbital rotation of the Earth, presses the Volga River, then to the west bank, then to the east twice a day.
For this reason, winding currents form in the seas and oceans.
That said, you can easily check if you rotate the globe around the axis and in orbit. Entwined along the equator and meridian with a plastic hose in which fluid moves. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force
The solar Coriolis effect is involved in the formation of the ellipse of the moon.
When the Moon in the fourth phase approaches the Sun at a speed of 1 km / s, and in the second phase it moves away from the Sun, the Coriolis solar force stretches the Moon’s orbit along the Earth’s orbit, which forms an ellipse.
When the moon is in the phase of the new moon and full moon, the solar Coriolis effect does not affect the orbit of the moon, because in these phases, the Moon does not approach or move away from the Sun.
The lunar ellipse can be mathematically expressed (but not calculated) using the following formula:
E = Vz • Vr
Where Vz - Orbital velocity of the Earth.
Vr - the speed of approach or removal of the moon from the sun.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano
From the above we can conclude that:
1) The Moon’s orbit is always stretched along the Earth’s orbit and does not rotate counterclockwise, making one revolution in 8.8 years.
2) The earth is in the center of the ellipse of the moon, and not to the side, can this be easily verified?
a) By measuring the time of the movement of the moon, from the new moon to the full moon, and from the full moon to the new moon, this time should be equal.
b) It is believed that at perihelion, the Moon is at 50 thousand km. closer to Earth than aphelion, why this huge difference is not visually observed.
c) What force does not give the barycenter of the Earth and the Moon is in the center of the orbit of the Moon.
d) Determining the distance from the Earth to the Moon is rather difficult, because the barycenter also moves along a small ellipse. http://regul238_f27w5b.radius-host.net/forum/zemlja-luna.gif
https://ru.qwe.wiki/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon
The higher the axial and orbital speeds of the planets, the more the core of the planet heats up. Like the moon, all the satellites and planetary rings form their orbits.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_satellites
A new theory of the formation of a record super moon.
As we know, the length of the lunar ellipse depends on the orbital velocity of the Earth.
In winter, closer to perihelion, the Earth’s orbital speed increases, which increases the length of the lunar ellipse. At the same time, the height of the lunar ellipse decreases accordingly, due to which, in the phase of the new moon and full moon, the moon becomes closer to the Earth.
By the new year, when the Earth enters the perihelion phase, the Earth’s orbital velocity increases. In the new moon phase, the Earth’s orbital velocity also rises.
During the coincidence of the perihelion of the Earth and the new moon, the orbital velocity of the Earth reaches its maximum value, due to which a record super moon is formed, the frequency of earthquakes, the height of the tides and waves of killers increases.
Criticism of the existing theory of record super moon.
Super moon is an astronomical phenomenon that occurs when the full moon or new moon coincides with perigee, as a result of the rotation of the moon's orbit. https://images.app.goo.gl/Noz226UwbgV9iFVKA
Questions arise:
1. Why the rotation of the Moon’s orbit is called the apse precession, and not just, the rotation of the Moon’s orbit.
2. What force rotates the orbit of the moon.
3. Why, in the summer a record super moon does not form, as in winter. https://predicalendar.ru/wiki/moon/super-moon/
4. At perigee, the moon is in the fourth quarter and forms a crescent.
5. If the moon’s orbit extends perpendicular to the Earth’s orbit, then in the full moon phase we will see the super moon, and in the new moon, we will see the micro moon. https://images.app.goo.gl/kxPK8uaQjeE4xLdv6
English Wikipedia skeptically describes the theory of the super moon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermoon
Calendar of record super moons.
https://predicalendar.ru/wiki/moon/super-moon/
December 3, 2017, Sunday
January 2, 2018, Tuesday
January 21, 2019, Monday
February 19, 2019, Tuesday
Continuation: Forum On the flagship. https://vmf.net.ru/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2328
Astronomical forum "AstroTalk". https://astrotalk.ru/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10510
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The title and the post content make absolutely no sense.
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Your question, as has been pointed out, is unclear. However, there is no mystery about the moon’s orbit (an ellipse), it circles the earth at about 5° relative to the ecliptic, but remember that the earth’s axis is tilted relative to the ecliptic by about 23°.
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how is the elliptic defined ? is it the orbit of Jupiter or the average of all the major planets ?
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To answer this question you need to know the mechanism of ellipse formation.
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....you need to know the mechanism of ellipse formation.
No you don’t, we know how elliptical orbits are formed. You need to know the initial conditions.
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https://images.app.goo.gl/jCVZeeHcyqEKYnQ69
What mistake is made in this picture?
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Besides the exaggerated eccentricity which was done for illustrative purposes, I'd say the mistake was not putting Earth at the focus of the ellipse, which is sloppy, but many of the 'similar images' make the same mistake.
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https://images.app.goo.gl/jCVZeeHcyqEKYnQ69
The earth should be in the center of the ellipse of the moon, and not to the side, it is visually easy to check.
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The earth should be in the center of the ellipse of the moon, and not to the side, it is visually easy to check.
The only mystery here is why you continue posting obvious rubbish.
Read reply by @Halc and learn
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The earth should be in the center of the ellipse of the moon, and not to the side, it is visually easy to check.
The only myst here is why you continue posting obvious rubbish.
Read reply by @Halc and learn
Has anyone watched a super moon when the moon is at perigee?
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Has anyone watched a super moon when the moon is at its peak.
Yes. Irrelevant to the mystery of why you are posting rubbish.
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What phase of the moon coincides with perihelion.
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Is your purpose to demonstrate how many branches of science you understand absolutely nothing about?
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What phase of the moon coincides with perihelion.
It varies.
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What phase of the moon coincides with perihelion.
No correlation at all. Perihelion (when Earth is closest to the sun, in early January) can occur at any moon phase, depending on where the moon is at the time. This year, perihelion occurred with about a half moon.
Similarly, perigee (when the moon is closest to Earth) can also occur at any moon phase, depending on where the sun is at the time. Next full moon is March 9, and perigee the day after, but in July, perigee happens again with a half moon.
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Oops! Overlap with Halc...
What phase of the moon coincides with perihelion.
A year (from perihelion to perihelion) = 365.2425 days = 31,556,952 seconds
The Synodic period of the Moon (from full moon to full moon) = 29.530589 days = 2,551,443 seconds
The ratio of these = 31,556,952/2,551,443 = 12.3682
Since this ratio is not a whole number (or even a neat fraction like 12.33333 or 12.5000), the Moon is at a different phase every perihelion, and the exact same phase will not repeat for a great many years.
Please explain what is the point of the question?
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon
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The moon rotates once in its axis each time it orbits the earth. While the earth rotates once its axis every 24 hours. One way to explain this is connected to the discovery at Lamont Lab at Columbia University, that the inner core of the earth rotates faster than the surface of the earth. The core of the earth is dragging the surface via viscoelastic friction between the core and mantle.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html)
One possible explanation for the slower rotation of the moon, is the moon's core may not rotate faster than its surface, so it is slower. A slower or stationary core explains the much weaker magnetic field of the moon.
Mars does not much of a magnetic field, yet the Martian day is only about 30 minutes longer than the earth. This suggests the main stream explanation, that is offered for the rotating earth's core, may not be correct. There may be another source of energy, besides solidifying iron from the outer core. Mars is the red planet so it has plenty of iron but no major magnetic field.
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While the earth rotates once its axis every 24 hours.
Actually it rotates once every 23 hours 56 min 4.1 seconds. 24 hours is the average length of the day (noon to noon), which takes more than a full rotation.
One possible explanation for the slower rotation of the moon, is the moon's core may not rotate faster than its surface, so it is slower.
The rotation rate of the moon is due to tidal locking, and not any other explanation. Its rate of rotation is slowing, similar to most moons.
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To a very good approximation, the Moon's orbit agrees with Newtonian physics..
How did anyone come to the conclusion that there is a "mystery"?
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What phase of the moon coincides with perihelion.
No correlation at all. Perihelion (when Earth is closest to the sun, in early January) can occur at any moon phase, depending on where the moon is at the time. This year, perihelion occurred with about a half moon.
Similarly, perigee (when the moon is closest to Earth) can also occur at any moon phase, depending on where the sun is at the time. Next full moon is March 9, and perigee the day after, but in July, perigee happens again with a half moon.
Does the ellipse of the moon and the sun rotate, if so, at what speed?
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Does the ellipse of the moon and the sun rotate, if so, at what speed?
It's called apsidal precession, and the moon does it once every 106 months (not quite 9 years) or so.
Earth does it as well, about every 112,000 years.
The motion of the sun is fairly erratic and is not approximated as an ellipse. The center of gravity of the solar system is within the sun about half the time.
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This means that the orbit of the moon today is extended along the orbit of the earth. Then two years later, the moon’s orbit will be stretched perpendicular to the Earth’s orbit.
https://images.app.goo.gl/jCVZeeHcyqEKYnQ69
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I still want to know what this "mystery" is.
Even if we couldn't calculate the Moon's orbit to great precision (and we can), then we could just watch the dratted thing and see what it does.
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I still want to know what this "mystery" is.
It is believed that at perihelion, the moon is at 50 thousand km. closer to Earth than aphelion, why this difference is not visually observed.
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It is believed that at perihelion, the moon is at 50 thousand km. closer to Earth than aphelion, why this difference is not visually observed.
Again, the distance from Earth to moon at perihelion and aphelion is pretty random, and might be the same on a given year. I think you mean perigee and apogee, where the difference is about 43000 km.
It is very visually observable.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Lunar_perigee_apogee.png
This shows why a solar eclipse traces a wider swath if near perigee than one near apogee.
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the inner core of the earth rotates faster than the surface of the earth. The core of the earth is dragging the surface via viscoelastic friction between the core and mantle.
The theory of "Super-Rotation of the core" is still controversial, with some early claims as high as 3°/year.
- Current measurements show it is < 0.1°/year
- Some theories suggest it is < 1°/million years
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_core_super-rotation
Measurements of super-rotation on Earth are limited by the number of seismic monitoring stations 50 years ago.
Measurements on the Moon are more limited, given the small number of seismic monitoring stations placed on the Moon 50 years ago. It is thought that the Moon has a solid iron inner core, surrounded by a semi-liquid outer core.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_structure_of_the_Moon#Core
Measurements on Mars are even more limited by the single seismic monitoring station placed on Mars last year.
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What force rotates the orbit of the moon.
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why this difference is not visually observed.
Why do you think it is not observed?
Perhaps the most wide scale observation happens when we get an annular eclipse rather than a total eclipse.
https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2020-june-21
Millions of people will see it.