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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: self on 29/02/2020 13:35:32
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This is an experiment I learned about in grade school back in the 1960's. I shall describe the experiment, then the extended version which I believe is direct evidence of how the mind and brain function to some degree. It should not be attempted if you have light sensitivity.
We placed a sheet of typing paper on our desk. Then we stared at a light bulb from several feet away for about thirty seconds so as to over charge a portion of the photon receptors in our eyes. Then we were instructed to look at the sheet of paper on our desk and in a few seconds or so we noticed that there was a dark or shady spot on the blank paper which was not there before.
Our instructor explained that the paper was reflecting photons same as before so the sheet of paper should appear all white without any spot. The reason why we saw the spot was because a portion of our photon receptors were over charged and that meant that these receptors could not absorb the photons reflecting from the paper as quickly as the other receptors and so we observed the deficit or spot. That ended the experiment.
The way that I prefer to run this experiment is from a totally dark room. Over charge your receptors, turn off the light and in a few seconds the spot will be visible not as a spot but as a light suspended out in front of you. Now we need to extend the time that the experiment runs. Sit quietly and observe the spot. It will eventually fade, maybe reappear so do not end the experiment just because the spot of light goes away the first time. Continue to observe and watch for any movement of the spot. It may begin to wobble. It may begin to circle, it may appear to be going down a drain or it may take off and move to the very edge of your vision field. This can be done with the spot on the paper but it is harder to observe.
The overcharged receptors in your eyes should not moving around or circling or taking off and migrating to the edge of the eye so what you are observing is not happening in your eyes but in your brain. The theory is that what you are observing is the energy from the over charge going down an energy drain or velocity gradient in the lowest portion of the brain's energy field.
The theory being that data or energy impulses run through the brain into super fluid drains and then via entanglement properties the cells in the primary visual center know to activate. The data runs into the drains where it is transformed into information via Fourier transform and then the information is distributed to the cells necessary for replication.
When you are watching that light go round and down you are seeing a replication of activity taking place in the super fluid drains. So if that is how the brain handles data with our eyes closed that is how the brain handles data when our eyes are open. It all goes into the drains first and then the brain above is activated to replicate in the physical.
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The theory being that data or energy impulses run through the brain into super fluid drains and then via entanglement properties the cells in the primary visual center know to activate.
That is not a theory.
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I could use some more construction to your determination, please.
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Hi Self,
I do not agree with the following sentence
The data runs into the drains where it is transformed into information via Fourier transform and then the information is distributed to the cells necessary for replication.
Why would the brain have to do a Fourier Transform its a super neural network! They tend to do things differently.
FFT its just a methematical tool created by us to decompose waves into sinusoidal frequencies...
But it is a nice experiment.
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Hi h2o. The brain does not produce the Fourier transform, the drains do. The drains are below the biological activity of the brain.The drains are called caged electrons. They are located in the Dimer cavity in micro tubules in our neurons.
The drains are inside our skull but outside the brain. These drains function as velocity gradients and shed quanta by accelerating them until they break free, like the old fashion game of crack the whip. The gradients are polar positive at the bottom and polar negative at the top. That allows the solutions from the Fourier transform to become trapped in a photon trap located at the bottom of the gradient which has a tornado shape.
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Hi h2o. The brain does not produce the Fourier transform, the drains do. The drains are below the biological activity of the brain.The drains are called caged electrons. They are located in the Dimer cavity in micro tubules in our neurons.
The drains are inside our skull but outside the brain. These drains function as velocity gradients and shed quanta by accelerating them until they break free, like the old fashion game of crack the whip. The gradients are polar positive at the bottom and polar negative at the top. That allows the solutions from the Fourier transform to become trapped in a photon trap located at the bottom of the gradient which has a tornado shape.
Word salad.
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Hi Bored Chemist. I understood every word. Of course this is obviously not your field of expertise. This pertains to quantum field theory not chemistry.
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Hi Bored Chemist. I understood every word. Of course this is obviously not your field of expertise. This pertains to quantum field theory not chemistry.
These days, QFT is part of chemistry.
.The drains are called caged electrons. They are located in the Dimer cavity in micro tubules in our neurons.
Caged electrons are also part of chemistry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvated_electron
And so are dimers
However, they are not part of QFT.
Next time, to avoid looking a fool, try not lying.
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Why invoke superfluids or quantum entanglement? Is there any evidence for either of these phenomena in the brain?
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Hello Kryptid. These quantum fields lie outside the brain. They are drains. They have an energy level below the energy level of the Dimer molecules from which they draw their substance.
They form as tornado shaped super fluids because the Dimer molecules have opposing electron cloud flows which creates a magnetic spin in the Dimer cavity.
There is evidence of super fluidity in that these caged electrons are know to super radiate. Quantum entanglement runs hand in hand with identical super fluids so I see no reason to deny entanglement, especially since how diverse brain parts communicate is otherwise unknown. Per this theory the communication is entangled but the activation of the neuron is not. In other words the cells can switch on as fast as the super fluid but then they still have to deal with true replication.
Hi Bored Chemist. Please hold your insults until you run out of questions. The quantum fields or caged electrons are post molecular bonding. The quantum inflow from the senses is into one molecule, which therefore never runs out of bonding material and the second molecule or the one which receives the bonding flow wants nothing to do with it, being full of itself already.
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Please hold your insults until you run out of questions.
I haven't insulted you ; that was what you did.
However, That rather misses the point.
It's not a matter of me running out of questions.
It's a matter of you coming up with meaningful answers to them.
So far, your success rate is zero.
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Hi Bored Chemist. I am not expecting anything meaningful from you. I only mention the chemistry so as to locate the Quantum field which the theory pertains too. The Dimer molecules feed the quantum field and the quantum field expels the quanta via a velocity gradient shaped like a tornado. At the top of the drain the quanta point their polar negative end inward and at the bottom of the tornado they point their polar positive end inward. A kink in the tail of the tornado is responsible for this end to end switch which forms a photon trap for the Fourier transformed photons.
These caged electrons are really Hilbert spaces.
These quantum fields also sort data into hold or discard. Perhaps someone else can ask a meaningful question about how that works.
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Hi Bored Chemist. I am not expecting anything meaningful from you.
That goes both ways.
So far you haven't said anything with any real meaning.
You are sust stringing "sciencey" words together.
I doubt that you are fooling anyone.
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Musicians have a phrase "playing for his own amazement", usually applied to badly copied and irrelevant jazz phrases .
I'm only a medical physicist who has studied visual persistence and saturation, night vision, visual image misregistration, brain imaging, magnetoencephalography, neural transmission, organic chemistry, fourier transforms, vortices, radio navigation, spiritualism, Chinese cooking, and all that other dull, outdated stuff, but I can safely say that the magic words "energy field" signify bullshit, every time.
I must admit that adding superfluidity to the mix is at least original, but it doesn't cover the stink of amateurism.
Cynical old curmudgeon? Moi?
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..... I can safely say that the magic words "energy field" signify bullshit, every time.
Agreed. The first resort of those who do not understand energy.
Cynical old curmudgeon? Moi?
What can I say :)
A good dose of cynicism never hurts.
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. A kink in the tail of the tornado is responsible for this end to end switch
Reminds me of this
"Talk the simple smile, such platonic eye
How they drown in incomplete capacity
Strangest of them all, when the feeling calls
How we drown in stylistic audacity
Charge the common ground
Round and round and round, we living in gravity
Shake - We shake so hard, how we laugh so loud
When we reach, we believe in eternity"
And when you can't distinguish a text from the lyrics of a Yes song, the text is not science.
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The drains are inside our skull but outside the brain.
This requires a largely empty skull, surely?
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The drains are inside our skull but outside the brain.
This requires a largely empty skull, surely?
Believing it certainly does.
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Hello concerned citizens. I can say it differently so that perhaps you may understand how the cellular drains are inside the skull but outside the brain.
By outside I mean at a lower ground state than the biological activity is engaged in. The brain by way of the Dimer molecules is all done with the quantum which form into the caged electron. The caged electron has no proton in the system. A linear wave goes into the cavity on the path of pi or the path of decay. That is why the caged electrons have a lower ground state, because the field is partially decayed as compared to the ground state of a normal electron at so called rest.
It may have been better if I had said the cage electron is beneath the brain but still inside the skull. I hope this helps clarify. It seems strange to me that a lower ground state than any other known electron would not get more attention as a unique electromagnetic field but then few study the caged electron and even fewer in regards to consciousness.
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Hello concerned citizens. I can say it differently so that perhaps you may understand how the cellular drains are inside the skull but outside the brain.
By outside I mean at a lower ground state than the biological activity is engaged in. The brain by way of the Dimer molecules is all done with the quantum which form into the caged electron. The caged electron has no proton in the system. A linear wave goes into the cavity on the path of pi or the path of decay. That is why the caged electrons have a lower ground state, because the field is partially decayed as compared to the ground state of a normal electron at so called rest.
It may have been better if I had said the cage electron is beneath the brain but still inside the skull. I hope this helps clarify. It seems strange to me that a lower ground state than any other known electron would not get more attention as a unique electromagnetic field but then few study the caged electron and even fewer in regards to consciousness.
Now go through that and look at all the phrases like "cellular drains" and explain, in clear language, what they mean and what the actual evidence is for their existence.
Take your time.
We will wait.
But don't bother to post any more until you have done it. You would be wasting everyone's time.
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consciousness.
The definitive sign of bullshit.
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Hello confused and doubtful. I will just cut to the chase, what ever that means. A drain is where things go and don't come back. Cellular drains drain by way of quantum fields known as caged electrons which are velocity gradients.
There is a way to test this theory which says the caged electrons are our quantum field of mind. Origin of Consciousness. The theory is that these quantum fields contain our self who is a value operator. The field of mind thinks by emitting photons and the self values the emission. It's actually much more complicated, perhaps some other time when you understand the basics.
According to the theory the self has a natural polar negative orientation within the field but since the top of the drain and the bottom of the drain are of equal strength polar opposites the self is also entitled to the polar positive orientation when available.
The brain reproduces what orientation is happening in the drains. Positive ion flow in the brain is completely natural but very limited. If the brain or brain body system were do be introduced to a positive ion charge, cloud, strong enough to flood the brain's drains with a positive ion charge, the self would be forced into the polar positive orientation. The positive orientation is where one experiences the afterlife and other NDE type experiences.
I read about a Captain in the Air force who was producing positive ion clouds from buckets of gator aid so it cannot be beyond our technology to control the strength of the production and match it up with the capacity of the 10x17th caged electrons.
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Hello confused and doubtful. I will just cut to the chase, what ever that means. A drain is where things go and don't come back. Cellular drains drain by way of quantum fields known as caged electrons which are velocity gradients.
There is a way to test this theory which says the caged electrons are our quantum field of mind. Origin of Consciousness. The theory is that these quantum fields contain our self who is a value operator. The field of mind thinks by emitting photons and the self values the emission. It's actually much more complicated, perhaps some other time when you understand the basics.
According to the theory the self has a natural polar negative orientation within the field but since the top of the drain and the bottom of the drain are of equal strength polar opposites the self is also entitled to the polar positive orientation when available.
The brain reproduces what orientation is happening in the drains. Positive ion flow in the brain is completely natural but very limited. If the brain or brain body system were do be introduced to a positive ion charge, cloud, strong enough to flood the brain's drains with a positive ion charge, the self would be forced into the polar positive orientation. The positive orientation is where one experiences the afterlife and other NDE type experiences.
I read about a Captain in the Air force who was producing positive ion clouds from buckets of gator aid so it cannot be beyond our technology to control the strength of the production and match it up with the capacity of the 10x17th caged electrons.
Now go through that and look at all the phrases like "cellular drains" and explain, in clear language, what they mean and what the actual evidence is for their existence.
Take your time.
We will wait.
But don't bother to post any more until you have done it. You would be wasting everyone's time.
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A drain is where things go and don't come back.
But getting rid of an idiot on a web forum is like trying to flush a spider down the bath plughole. They cling on to something and keep coming back. The difference is that spiders are useful and intelligent.
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Hi all you wise posters. I must say that I hope someday you realize how wrong you all are. I have done this experiment and have visited the after life many times. That is why I know so much about how it works
Small minds talks about other people. If you have an intelligent question feel free to ask it.
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If you have an intelligent question feel free to ask it.
What do all the made-up phrases mean?
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Please pick one phrase out that you believe is made up and ask about it in particular.
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super fluid drains
is meaningless in the context of brains
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Do you know of anyone who is claiming super fluids in the brain? Not me. I have repeatedly said that the super fluids are not in the brain. I cannot help people who cannot understand that the drain is not part of the brain. The super fluid forms after the molecules are done with the material making up the super fluid.
The opposing electromagnetic fields on either side of the cavity drive the super fluid. Without the brain there would be no super fluid but one is not officially part of the other.
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I have repeatedly said that the super fluids are not in the brain.
Where are these superfluids at, then?
The super fluid forms after the molecules are done with the material making up the super fluid.
What molecules? From where?
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The caged electron is a super fluid. There are about 100000000000000000 of them located inside the skull but outside the brain. They form in the Dimer cavity and the Dimer form into micro tubules. The micro tubules are the brain mind interface.
The micro tubules replicate the behavior of the caged electrons.
If you do not believe this then feel free to explain to me what a caged electron is, why a caged electron is, what form a caged electron takes and how the the electron got in the cage. I have answered all these questions.
To help you understand that the caged electron is not part of the brain it is because what goes in the cage does not come out and interact with the brain anymore. The cage dissipates the quantum into the vacuum of spacetime by accelerating them until they break free from the caged electron.
Why that is so hard to understand is beyond me. The brain powers the super fluid but is not part of the super fluid.
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Do you know of anyone who is claiming super fluids in the brain? Not me. I have repeatedly said that the super fluids are not in the brain.
What I said was that the phrase "super fluid drains" was meaningless in the concept of brains.
I didn't say where the drains or the fluids were.The caged electron is a super fluid
No, it is not.
For example...
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpclett.9b02934
Anyway, you asked me to say what particular phrase which you used, I wanted an explanation for.
I gave one
"Super fluid drains"
And you got all shouty about something irrelevant about who had said what, because you didn't understand what I said.
OK, I realise you have difficulty with understanding things.
Now, answer the question.
What does "super fluid drains" mean?
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I make no promises that you will understand but I am willing to try again.
Super fluid drain that I refer to is located in the Dimer cavity in the micro tubule in the neuron. The drain is known to science as a caged electron. The caged electron is a Hilbert space being located on a path of dissipation called pi. Hilbert spaces have an imaginary component. The self is able to imagine because the photons emitted with same spin have a separate future than the future of the self located in the mind field which is the caged electron.
The Dimer molecules bond by sharing the electron cloud constituents from one molecule to the other. After bonding the receiving molecules does not want or need or accept the linear curving wave of electron cloud constituents that it received from the opposing molecule.
The linear curving wave of electron cloud constituents, which are oblong and bi polar begin to enter the cavity on the path of dissipation, a inward curve which eventually circles around thousands of times to form a tornado.
The tornado as well as the bonding is driven by the magnetic moment of the receiving molecule which allows the linear curving wave, think garden hose, to enter the cavity one link at a time. The electron cloud flow from the molecules on either side of the cavity is what drives the super fluid to rotate in the cavity with resistance to flow.
Nothing but information can escape this cavity so the brain cannot use the electron cloud in the cavity to further brain activity.
The tornado can emit photons three ways. It can spontaneously emit or emit when one or both of the Dimer molecules get excited. If all three are excited the caged electron can super radiate. The super radiated photons have a spin counter to the spin of the caged electron but the other two types of emission have spin the same as the caged electron.
So these are super fluids which drain the excess electron cloud which is being continually depleted from the Dimer molecule. The virtual components of the electron cloud dissipate when hurled free from the spinning tornado. This involves three additional vortex embedded in walls of the caged electron. There is a total of four vortex in the cavity.
I do not care to explain any more to you unless you show some ability to understand. I have better ways to spend my time than repeating facts over and over to persons who appear to have no capacity to learn.
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Please explain
velocity gradient in the lowest portion of the brain's energy field.
to someone who knows what each word means, but (as Eric Morecambe said to Andre Previn) not in that order. I will then be able to match this with my studies of hermeneutic quantisation in the subclavian cortex, and possibly agree with your hypotheisis.
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The drain is known to science as a caged electron.
Known to whom as a caged electron?
I ask because science uses that phrase (with disappointingly little originality) for electrons that are caged.
Things like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-center
And that doesn't tally with what you are using it to mean.
The caged electron is a Hilbert space
Your problem seems to be that you are unable to explain any of your made up phrases except in terms of other made up phrases.
I'm afraid I'm reminded of a woman I saw on a documentary who was asked to explain why she had done something (I forget what the thing was, but it was odd behaviour. I have a vague idea that it was something about putting all her furniture outside in the garden).
Her response was "Because the angels were flighty".
That didn't really explain anything, but she thought that it was a valid explanation. She didn't seem to understand why others didn't see it that way.
The documentary was about schizophrenia and the woman was a patient.
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Stuart Hameroff personally told me that "caged electrons" super radiate and both of us know which caged electrons we were talking about.
Roger Penrose has a twistor theory which calls for Four Momentum particles that are Hilbert spaces. The caged electron fulfills Penrose's requirements.
Hilbert spaces are considered to be mathematical spaces and have not yet been discovered but that will eventually change.
Like I said in a previous post, this theory is testable should anyone want to visit and see for themselves. I have.
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Stuart Hameroff personally told me that "caged electrons" super radiate and both of us know which caged electrons we were talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Hameroff#Criticism
I built a laser in which the medium was superradiant, so I actually personally know what it means without needing to namedrop quacks.
Hilbert spaces ... have not yet been discovered
The caged electron is a Hilbert space
In principle, on of those might be correct, but not both.
In practice I suspect one is wrong to the point of absurdity.
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Thank you all for your interest in good science. Self.
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Thank you all for your interest in good science. Self.
Thanks.
You should try it. It's much more rewarding that trying to support bad science.
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The living state is dependent on both the hydrogen proton as well as electrons. Water, which is the dominant material within life, is not a great conductor of electron based electricity. The oxygen atoms of water are highly electronegative and hold the electrons tightly. The hydrogen proton, on the other hand, is more mobile and is the main conductor within water and life. Electrons will follow the hydrogen proton currents.
What is unique about hydrogen proton currents is this type of electricity has mass and inertia. The proton weigh over a thousand times more than an electron. Therefore the currents are slower yet more persistent due to the inertia. This is useful for sensory systems, since consciousness would have a hard time keeping up with nothing but faster electron currents and impulses. The proton currents slow things down, so we can become more aware.
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Hello pup. The caged electron is the state of mind, not the state of the living. Life is up above in the flesh. Mind is down below in the drains. As below so above.
These fields are smaller than a single atom but due to their super fluid characteristics they are quite powerful and can share information across the brain to activate cells without physical contact.
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The living state is dependent on both the hydrogen proton as well as electrons. Water, which is the dominant material within life, is not a great conductor of electron based electricity. The oxygen atoms of water are highly electronegative and hold the electrons tightly. The hydrogen proton, on the other hand, is more mobile and is the main conductor within water and life. Electrons will follow the hydrogen proton currents.
What is unique about hydrogen proton currents is this type of electricity has mass and inertia. The proton weigh over a thousand times more than an electron. Therefore the currents are slower yet more persistent due to the inertia. This is useful for sensory systems, since consciousness would have a hard time keeping up with nothing but faster electron currents and impulses. The proton currents slow things down, so we can become more aware.
In the real world, nerve signals are transmitted by sodium and potassium ions. Protons have a secondary role at best.
Please stop posting nonsense.
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Hello pup. The caged electron is the state of mind, not the state of the living. Life is up above in the flesh. Mind is down below in the drains. As below so above.
These fields are smaller than a single atom but due to their super fluid characteristics they are quite powerful and can share information across the brain to activate cells without physical contact.
Back to word salad, I see.