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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: talanum1 on 24/07/2020 19:19:49

Title: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: talanum1 on 24/07/2020 19:19:49
Because the Earth's particles are made of space. The Earth moving "through" space is thus equivalent to spaces superimposing on space at shifted positions in space as the Earth moves.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: Kryptid on 24/07/2020 20:44:00
Now how about some evidence?
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: talanum1 on 24/07/2020 21:03:25
The failure of the Mickelson-Morely experiment is evidence.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/07/2020 21:12:15
The failure of the Mickelson-Morely experiment is evidence.
Presumably, that's different from this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment
which shows that the ether simply isn't there.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: Kryptid on 24/07/2020 22:17:06
The failure of the Mickelson-Morely experiment is evidence.

It's evidence for the lack of an aether.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: talanum1 on 24/07/2020 22:47:21
Presumably, that's different from this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment
which shows that the ether simply isn't there.

It's the same.

The null result is consistent with my model that Earth does not go "through" space but superimposes on new points of space as it moves.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/07/2020 23:16:21
Presumably, that's different from this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment
which shows that the ether simply isn't there.

It's the same.

The null result is consistent with my model that Earth does not go "through" space but superimposes on new points of space as it moves.
The null result is consistent with invisible pixies messing about with the mirrors, but it doesn't prove that they exist, does it?
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: talanum1 on 25/07/2020 13:34:50
The null result is consistent with invisible pixies messing about with the mirrors, but it doesn't prove that they exist, does it?

No, but it rules out that Earth is made of anything that displaces space.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/07/2020 21:38:38
No, but it rules out that Earth is made of anything that displaces space.
Had anyone claimed that it was?

Anyway, it just takes us back to here
Now how about some evidence?
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: talanum1 on 26/07/2020 12:06:41
Had anyone claimed that it was?

The picture at Michelson-Moreley suggested it.

As for evidence: there are just two possibilities:

1) It displaces space, or

2) It superimposes on space.

so since 1) is ruled out 2) must be true.

Unless you can come up with another option.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/07/2020 12:32:55
Unless you can come up with another option.
There is no ether.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: talanum1 on 26/07/2020 13:52:59
There is no ether.

There must be space, otherwise, there would be no words like: "position", "at" or "point".
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/07/2020 14:30:47
There is no ether.

There must be space, otherwise, there would be no words like: "position", "at" or "point".
The point about the ether is that it's not space. That's why they invented the word.

Are you trying to argue about something without bothering to find out what it is?
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: talanum1 on 26/07/2020 15:22:41
I should have called it: "Why is there no space-wind?"

The Michelson-Morley experiment also excludes space-wind.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/07/2020 16:37:59
Why would you expect any sort of "space wind"?
If you are in a space ship and you put a propellor on the front, do you expect the nothing that you are travelling through to turn it?
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: talanum1 on 26/07/2020 23:07:34
Why would you expect any sort of "space wind"?
If you are in a space ship and you put a propellor on the front, do you expect the nothing that you are travelling through to turn it?

Space is not nothing. It has proven properties: the electric permittivity and magnetic permeability of free space. These two is not = 0 or ∞.

It must probably have another property to do with gravity.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: Bored chemist on 27/07/2020 09:50:40
Space is not nothing. It has proven properties: the electric permittivity and magnetic permeability of free space.
Which make a difference to photons,but not to you.

Space is nothing, that nothing has a permittivity, an impedance etc .
So what?
It's still nothing  material so there's no matter to which you can transfer momentum so it can't exert a force.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: talanum1 on 27/07/2020 12:53:13
It's still nothing  material so there's no matter to which you can transfer momentum so it can't exert a force.

Curved space can exert a force, but none such that you would feel a wind in empty space.
Title: Re: Why is there no Aether Wind?
Post by: Bored chemist on 27/07/2020 13:23:10
It's still nothing  material so there's no matter to which you can transfer momentum so it can't exert a force.

Curved space can exert a force, but none such that you would feel a wind in empty space.

Well, yes- that's why there's no wind.