Naked Science Forum
On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: ron123456 on 02/09/2020 20:36:16
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"As its name suggests, the strong force is the strongest—it's 100 times stronger than the electromagnetic force (which binds electrons into atoms), 10,000 times stronger than the weak force (which governs radioactive decay), and a hundred million million million million million million (1039) times stronger than gravity ...Mar 10, 2017"
…..If it's not quarks, then what is it that produces
gravity? How would curved space/time produce gravity as opposed to mass?
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.If it's not quarks, then what is it that produces
gravity?
Mass (or equivalently, energy).
How would curved space/time produce gravity as opposed to mass?
Curved space-time is gravity.
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Is a quark not mass?
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Is a quark not mass?
A quark has mass. There's a difference.
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"In particle physics, a massless particle is an elementary particle whose invariant mass is zero. The two known massless particles are both gauge bosons: the photon (carrier of electromagnetism) and the gluon (carrier of the strong force)."
I think that I understand zero rest mass but no nothing about gluon....Is that what your talking about...thx
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Is that what your talking about
I never said anything about gluons. I only said quarks.
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"As its name suggests, the strong force is the strongest—it's 100 times stronger than the electromagnetic force (which binds electrons into atoms), 10,000 times stronger than the weak force (which governs radioactive decay), and a hundred million million million million million million (1039) times stronger than gravity ...Mar 10, 2017"
…..If it's not quarks, then what is it that produces
gravity? How would curved space/time produce gravity as opposed to mass?
Gravity curving space-time is an illusion created by science using cartesian coordinates, to express gravity. The curvature is gravity showing us it is naturally based on a spherical coordinate system. If we simply started with a spherical coordinate system to model gravity, space-time is always curved and only radially dependent.
(https://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-gif/SphericalCoordinates_1201.gif)
This science tradition reminds me of a pretty curly haired girl, who each day uses a hot iron to straighten her hair, so she can fit in with her friends. However, each time she washes her hair her hair curls again. If she just accepted her curls, she could be who she was born to be. Instead she and her friends marvel at how water makes her hair curl.
In a spherical coordinate system we have (r, Θ,Φ, t) instead of (x,y, z, t). Since gravity is laying out space-time as a function of (r, Θ,Φ, t) what is the significance of the two angles? The two angles create a surface shell that is perpendicular to the radial dimension. The two angles in each such shell controls orbits, rotations, precessions, angular momentum, etc. The radial dimension controls the extent of space-time compression or expansion.
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Do you suspect that the fast movement of a point of energy produces gravity? …… and is that why the dimension of 'time' is introduced?....
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point of energy
What is a "point of energy"? That sounds like something Thebox would say.
The answer is no. Energy doesn't have to be moving to generate gravity.
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What is a "point of energy"? That sounds like something Thebox would say.....
…...I don't know...just any point in an energy field I guess ...…Did WMAP and the Planck missions indicate that after the big bang that only high energy particles existed and then formed hydrogen atoms later? If so, then these high energy particles must have curved space somehow to form the H atoms? Perhaps the preons caused gravity somehow? If so, then this is related to quarks which are high moving particles of energy?.....
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Did WMAP and the Planck missions indicate that after the big bang that only high energy particles existed and then formed hydrogen atoms later?
Technically, yes.
If so, then these high energy particles must have curved space somehow to form the H atoms?
Curving space-time isn't involved in forming hydrogen atoms. Hydrogen atoms are formed by the electromagnetic attraction between an electron and proton.
Perhaps the preons caused gravity somehow?
Mass causes gravity.
If so, then this is related to quarks which are high moving particles of energy?
All particles have energy, not just quarks.
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"Hydrogen atoms are formed by the electromagnetic attraction between an electron and proton". What formed the proton to make the Hydrogen atom's nucleus?
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What formed the proton to make the Hydrogen atom's nucleus?
The strong nuclear force.
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….thx....just one final question on this.....What do you think determined where the quarks were concentrated after the big bang since the strong force essentially only covers a nuclear distance?......perhaps gravity?
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Quarks can only exist inside of hadrons (such as protons) due to color confinement. Alternatively, they can exist inside of a quark-gluon plasma (basically like a bunch of hadrons squished together). In either case, the nuclear force is always at work and gravity has no role in bringing the particles together. There are no free quarks.