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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: trevorjohnson32 on 06/08/2021 21:20:09

Title: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: trevorjohnson32 on 06/08/2021 21:20:09
Just had a brainstorm for the tokamak. What if instead of using super chilled fuel they condense it into a container that is thick enough to provide a sufficient pressure that when it explodes and touches the extreme heat of magnetic confinement it would have a chance at igniting fusion?
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/08/2021 21:26:58
Any contaminants  (like the disintegrating container) in the plasma increase the losses by thermal radiation and reduce efficiency.
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: trevorjohnson32 on 06/08/2021 21:30:30
Any contaminants  (like the disintegrating container) in the plasma increase the losses by thermal radiation and reduce efficiency.

by a lot i bet. So the pressure in the container would have to be substantial you think?
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/08/2021 21:36:53
To get fusion you need a combination of time, pressure and temperature.
If you want it at a useful rate the combination of temperature and pressure is so extreme that nothing will hold it.
You can't make a "container".


If you could, it still wouldn't work
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: trevorjohnson32 on 06/08/2021 21:56:20
To get fusion you need a combination of time, pressure and temperature.
If you want it at a useful rate the combination of temperature and pressure is so extreme that nothing will hold it.
You can't make a "container".


If you could, it still wouldn't work


You wouldn't need the container to be hotter, just make the pellet have enough pressure and small enough so that adds a small amount of heat to the plasma which can be converted.
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/08/2021 22:23:25
You wouldn't need the container to be hotter, just make the pellet have enough pressure and small enough so that adds a small amount of heat to the plasma which can be converted.
Did you read that before you posted it?
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: Kryptid on 06/08/2021 23:19:06
that when it explodes

What's causing it to explode?
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: trevorjohnson32 on 07/08/2021 01:25:33
that when it explodes

What's causing it to explode?

Mixing in oxygen at the core then a layer of tritium and deuterium, encased with a shell.
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: Kryptid on 07/08/2021 01:42:44
A chemical explosion from a pellet isn't going to get you anywhere close to the kind of pressures needed for fusion.
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: Bored chemist on 08/08/2021 15:49:07
And, as I pointed out, adding anything else wrecks the efficiency.
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: trevorjohnson32 on 08/08/2021 19:32:07
So are you suggesting we just pour in super chilled fuel and see what happens? Like it's supposed to slow burn or something?
No, you have to put the fuel in a capsule to keep it together so it has time to fuse right? And I think for every time you double the pressure in the fuel capsule, you're probably lowering the temperature needed to ignite fusion, So mixing hydrogen and oxygen in the pellet.
Title: Re: tokomak tritium and deuterium use
Post by: Bored chemist on 08/08/2021 20:03:33
This is like trying to light a fire by putting a log under a hen.
They keep eggs warm, so that must be good enough... right?

Chemical reactions  top out at about 5,000K.
Nuclear reactions start at about 50,000,000 K