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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: talanum1 on 11/08/2021 14:42:26

Title: Are Particles Points?
Post by: talanum1 on 11/08/2021 14:42:26
Ha ha, now everyone has to deal with my Particles-are-not-Points-Theory. I published the article: "Why Particle Properties are Quantised." at: www.ijasr.org/papers/ijasr00424945.pdf.
Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: Bored chemist on 11/08/2021 16:09:53
Ha ha, now everyone has to deal with my Particles-are-not-Points-Theory.
In the same way that I have to cope with a 7 year old's "What I did in the holiday" essay- by not reading it.

BTW, I bet you don't have a theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: Kryptid on 11/08/2021 21:39:18
We don't know if particles are points or not. They just seem point-like down to the resolution of our experiments.
Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: talanum1 on 12/08/2021 12:27:33
My model says they are not points. My model says exactly what they are. My model is falsifiable just by measuring the Electromagnetic field of the free electron.
Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/08/2021 13:02:33
My model says they are not points. My model says exactly what they are. My model is falsifiable just by measuring the Electromagnetic field of the free electron.
Does your model predict a field which is different from that predicted by conventional physics?
Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: talanum1 on 12/08/2021 15:09:37
Does your model predict a field which is different from that predicted by conventional physics?

Yes it predicts a different field from that of a point charge moving in a straight line, at least close to the electron. The electric field tends to zero far away from the electron.
Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: Origin on 12/08/2021 17:28:57
Yes it predicts a different field from that of a point charge moving in a straight line
How so?
Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/08/2021 18:28:00
Does your model predict a field which is different from that predicted by conventional physics?

Yes it predicts a different field from that of a point charge moving in a straight line, at least close to the electron. The electric field tends to zero far away from the electron.

That's interesting because, if the experimentally observed paths of electron (for example in TV sets and  electron microscopes was different from the path predicted by conventional physics, someone would have noticed.
They would probably have got a Nobel prize for it.

So we know that the experimental- i.e. real-  fields round electrons are those predicted by conventional physics.

And so we know that, if your idea predicts something different then your idea is wrong.

You can ditch it now and never mention it again.
(Or, you can choose not to do science, but why would you do that on a science page?)

Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: talanum1 on 13/08/2021 13:32:31
That's interesting because, if the experimentally observed paths of electron (for example in TV sets and  electron microscopes

The field is different at 10-100 fm from the electron. Those things are of macroscopic dimensions, of order 1 m, where the field aught to be the same.
Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: Bored chemist on 13/08/2021 13:42:15
That's interesting because, if the experimentally observed paths of electron (for example in TV sets and  electron microscopes

The field is different at 10-100 fm from the electron. Those things are of macroscopic dimensions, of order 1 m, where the field aught to be the same.
The OP thinks that we use electron microscopes to observe thing whose size is of the order of a metre.

So we can safely discount his opinion on the matter.
Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: talanum1 on 14/08/2021 10:27:33
The OP thinks that we use electron microscopes to observe thing whose size is of the order of a metre.

I was talking about the size of the objects: an electron microscope is about: 1m x 100mm in diameter.

An electron microscope hasn't got sufficient resolution to sense 100 fm.
Title: Re: Are Particles Points?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/08/2021 11:43:35
The OP thinks that we use electron microscopes to observe thing whose size is of the order of a metre.

I was talking about the size of the objects: an electron microscope is about: 1m x 100mm in diameter.

An electron microscope hasn't got sufficient resolution to sense 100 fm.
So you worked out what was relevant in only two attempts.