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Title: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: MAVR on 23/09/2021 20:40:05
It took almost 30 years to place description of the BOOK with its Seven Seals on 25 pgs (A4) inside the pdf file [in Russian] via link:

Enjoy the product of a mathematician mind.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Colin2B on 24/09/2021 23:36:58
This not a book publishing site.
If you have a new theory to discuss then please do so I’m sure someone will respond.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: MAVR on 25/09/2021 02:58:15
I see.
So the link on the file with the new theory is here:
so as I'm not allowed to place external links here...
There are enough photos and schemes to get main idea without deep investigation.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: puppypower on 25/09/2021 12:06:38
In this and other discussion forum sites your better off presenting your summary and basic ideas directly, to help create discussion and interest. Having to read a thesis, first, is too much work since most people are here casually. From this basic opening discussion some forums members and guests will follow your link to learn more. It is part of the protocol.

I am not sure of your approach to the seven seals, but I also attempted to solve this mystery of the bible. The approach I took was based on the warning, "not to take away or add anything or curses would come to you".

As I thought about it, the only way to do that would be to highlight the entire bible for all its prophesy quotes, both New and Old Testament, like a textbook. I would then need to use just these quotes; none missing, like they were pieces to a zig saw puzzle. The completed puzzle should be a type of story that had been spread out in disguise.  The warning to me, was not a warning, but a hint.

I did just that. I highlighted a King James version of the Bible, that was given to me. Then I hired a girl to type these quotes into my old floppy disk computer; pre-Microsoft.  I printed out two versions, cut up one with scissors, and then spread all the quotes all over dining room floor. Little by little, I assembled the puzzle using the four horsemen as the border/center. Each horseman represented an act in the four act drama; symbolism. The seven seals appear in the last acts.

Your experimental approach as a mathematician may be a good place to begin. I was a development engineer at the time, so my approach was more based on hunch then logic. Math may be logic first, which can be interesting.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 25/09/2021 12:19:56
Or you could do the same thing with War and Peace.

Could a passing Mod please move this to "that can't be true" please?
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Colin2B on 25/09/2021 12:35:46
I see.
So the link on the file with the new theory is here:
so as I'm not allowed to place external links here...
There are enough photos and schemes to get main idea without deep investigation.
If the links are to a site where this theory has already been published then it’s against the rules you signed up to to bring that theory here.
The book is in Russian which no one here will read and respond to even if you were allowed to publish it.

Analysis of mythical texts are unlikely to be of interest here.

If you want to discuss your mathematical approach to the analysis someone might show interest.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: MAVR on 25/09/2021 14:40:34
Big Pardon: it's too early to discuss new theory without proper translation.
Pls., wait till it'll be done. Nevertheless anyone who wish to get the original file is welcome to write me via the forum (or please don’t try to circumvent the no link rule).
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: puppypower on 26/09/2021 14:49:49
Over the centuries many people have attempted to solve the mystery of Revelations. The two  common approaches are to equate these things to their own times or to the past. But these two basic approaches do not deal with all the symbolism, such as the coming of Faithful and True. That has not occurred yet.

The mystery of Revelations, in general appears to be a story of the transformation of humanity. On the surface, it appears to occur through a roller coaster ride of world wide downs and ups until the wicked are weeded out; natural/divine selection. However, for most who try to solve the mystery,  things around them in the world, remain the same and all the lasting positive changes expected never occurs. WWII was the mother of all wars but after it was over, we still have boneheads in charge. There was no lasting change in humanity beyond maybe one generation.

What I learned from my research with the brain, inner self, and consciousness, and then attempting the Revelation puzzle, was this divine drama, although traditionally externalized as an external set of world events, really appears to have been designed for an internal transformation of the individual.

You become the world in a microcosm, with various parts of you; subroutines, both conscious and unconscious, becoming the many characters that lead you through the transformation. It could be called a self induced mystical psychosis, but with a sense of direction as defined by the symbols and subroutines of transformation; update of the brain's operating system. The puzzle building was not easy and the obsession, constant focus and extrapolation, primes the pump and then triggers command lines that start the brain's gears. 

The beginning of the drama; act 1, is quite positive and can lure you in with self righteous hope and expectation. I enjoyed that part, since it was very hopeful and triggers lots of positive imagination. Once the ego is in, things get darker and darker; the ego evolves, until the drama reaches a cross roads where one has to make a choice. The choice I made was to sacrificed my new found strength and let the inner self run the transformation in ways I did not anticipate.

This choice to sacrifice control seems counter intuitive; blessed are the meek, but my ego, although very strong by this point, with certain mystical abilities, was about to head down the cliff into the darkness; ends justify the means. The choice to sacrifice and less go, makes you very vulnerable both outside; bad karma, and to the inner darkness that separates and externalizes from you. It appears connected to the symbolism of Satan thrown from heaven. What had been condoned was no longer that way. To continue was to follow the wrong example. What do you do but stop and wait and your own inner Satan subroutine externalizes; created by knowledge of good and evil; law.

I am not sure if this is the same for all, but for me the final act of the play with its many plagues, giant earthquake, etc., was connected to type of type of memory wash and purge. It was not people who died by each plague, but memory that was once thought to be good; early glory days  was seen as stained and tarnished. It had fed into the inner opposition. In the end, most of my memory was either erased or place in archive. My ego was eventually reintroduced, but as a blank slate. I was self aware as being me, but I was a stranger in paradise. It was nice and very peaceful, not being able to remember, with me; my inner essence still there, with a new view real time view on life; paradise.

The problem that arose after a few weeks was, although I had been transformed, the world around me was the same. It was hard to remain in this paradise state, since I was the only one there, and the mass mind was starting to encroach on my small natural space. I eventually felt that I needed to leave and try to build a bridge back, while doing my best to avoid going backwards to where I had been, since that same mass mind was still there; inner opposition.

Many of my ideas are unique, since I had to develop them from scratch, to fill in my blank memory. I had a strong science education, but most of that memory was archived, but my ingenuity was fine. I had to work with unknown materials that had no data, just to get started. I would work in a helical spiral from the start of the universe, to the present, trying to integrate all the connected steps of physical and biological evolution with my unknown materials. Then I would start again and evolve my ideas. Little by little the spiral evolution process seemed to unpack some of my archived science memory, so I could build a better bridge each pass; blend of both worlds. 

At this point in time paradise is a fond memory from the past. However, I am able to maintain my center by a simple life. Now I jump around the spiral since each area can be developed on its own since it is still all connected using science materials and 3-D logic.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/09/2021 14:51:33
Many of my ideas are unique
Because nobody else believes them.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: MAVR on 28/09/2021 04:57:42
The Book is rolled in S manner. We see its symbol (Ying-Yang) in many places but can't understand that from such perspective we are not allowed to read its text.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: MAVR on 28/09/2021 05:03:07
That's a pity that human can see the BOOK from the side.
7 Seals are also unique. To break all it I had to fight with the Satan (666), change knowledge with Lucifer (661), enter the house of the Demiurge Jealous (333&328). I was lucky to be supported by the God of the galaxy (222).

Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: MAVR on 28/09/2021 05:09:19
By the way I've got the best education in former USSR: I graduated an elite group of the MPTI (Moscow Physical Technical Institute) supervised by former Rector Academician O.M.Belotsercovsky. After some of my adventures I was invited to serve in the department 10003 (military parapsychology) of the main intelligence agency of the general staff of Rus Federation.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Origin on 28/09/2021 18:30:59
That's a pity that human can see the BOOK from the side.
Personally I am glad you can see books from the side, otherwise depending on a books orientation it could be invisible.  I have enough trouble loosing things as it is.
To break all it I had to fight with the Satan (666)
In a fight like that are there a clear set of rules or is it more like a street fight?  And if there are rules, can you trust Satan to follow the rules?
change knowledge with Lucifer (661)
Was that a classroom type setting or was it more like a late night loaded dorm setting?
I was lucky to be supported by the God of the galaxy (222)
I'll say!!  Think if you got the God of Galaxy IC 3104 (that guy's a goof!), the God of galaxy 222 has to be way better than him.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: MAVR on 28/09/2021 19:55:42
3. Была ли это обстановка типа классной комнаты или это больше походило на обстановку загруженного допоздна общежития?
4. Я скажу!! Подумайте, что если у вас есть Бог Галактики IC 3104 (этот парень-дурак!), то Бог галактики 222 должен быть намного лучше его.
3. With Herr Lucifer I met 25th of December 2012. I also waited when a maian portal would be opened. After it did not happen I realised that I did not investigate the nature of Evil. So I wished to meet with the Lucifer. During night dream it gave me coordinates of its place. I visited him next day and had fruitful session (a report of it I sent to Vatican and they castled the two last Popes).
Lucifer is chained to a rock in dark place (on the bottom of area of Lower Worlds). The idea of parallel worlds is proved gradually with opening of 7 Seals. Actually humans are able to travel in the Universe by using the remote control which is the BOOK7Seals. Next spring (March 2013) I visited a ||world from the area of Upper Worlds. In a town which I appeared were many big libraries (one on each street) and one huge in the center.
PS During meeting with Lucifer I was lucky to be with unique knowledge (during almost 10 years I calculated the code of Eden; that time it was the third attempt of its creation). He taught me his science (hierarchy of devils and demons) I gave him an address code of the Eden. It was enough (even in addition he freed 15 millions(!) of his slaves).
4. Do not joke of the God of the galaxy. Soon He will appear on the Earth in His own Temple.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/09/2021 08:47:17
By the way I've got the best education in former USSR
And yet you didn't learn to recognise nonsense when you saw it.

After some of my adventures I was invited to serve in the department 10003 (military parapsychology) of the main intelligence agency of the general staff of Rus Federation.
How nice for you.
Did they do research on stuff like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats

Or did they realise it was silly?

That's a pity that human can see the BOOK from the side.
7 Seals are also unique. To break all it I had to fight with the Satan (666), change knowledge with Lucifer (661), enter the house of the Demiurge Jealous (333&328). I was lucky to be supported by the God of the galaxy (222).


Oh look!
Numerology.

We don't do pseudoscience here so you might as well give up.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: The Spoon on 29/09/2021 09:40:46
Why is this religious nonsense on a science forum?
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: puppypower on 02/10/2021 11:56:52
Why is this religious nonsense on a science forum?

The human brain and the phenomena that is generates, called consciousness, is a valid area of science investigation. The problem is consciousness cannot be investigated properly by doing it  exclusively in the third person, as deemed by the philosophy of science. 

Consciousness is self awareness. It can sense things both externally and internally; self, with the internal things not clear cut, using third person tools with insufficient resolution. I can become aware of my dreams, however no third person tools can see these in the same detail as my consciousness. This topic is connected to the higher resolution aspects of consciousness and first hand experiences from inside the brain's operating system.

An analogy for this contrast of styles are computers and robots. These have both hardware and software. You cannot find glitches in the software, by looking at hardware alone. This is what science tries to do, based on the philosophy of science; third person only. To find these glitches we  need to go inside the brain's "software, to use a term lightly, and look at the coding. This side of the  coin is not about hardware. 

Science does not have a consensus definition for consciousness, since a hardware approach, alone, cannot define consciousness in a way to form a consensus. The philosophy of science reached a wall when it started to investigate consciousness. The sciences that deal with this are called soft science since they need to take liberties with the strict philosophy that has met it mach and cannot go any further. 

The ancient people appear to have been better at the software approach. They had a more ethereal view of consciousness; spirit and soul. However they knew very little about the hardware of the brain. Their approach also fell short of the target. The solution to the bottleneck is you need both the software approach and the hardware approach to address one of the last frontiers of science. All scientist uses their consciousness to practice their craft. If that has glitches in the software, is the third person science still correct? We will never know using only a pure third person hardware approach.

Let me give you an example. We live in a quantum world. Quanta are discrete states with gaps between states. Yet statistical modeling gives finite odds to all things; continuous functions,  thereby saying the gaps are not gaps; contradicts the nature of quanta. That glitch permeates much gf science and leads to false positives that often become the foundation of theory. If a group all has same glitch in they're operating system, does that make it right; collective perception?

A hardware approach will not allow us to know. This will requires a software approach.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/10/2021 12:01:37
The human brain and the phenomena that is generates, called consciousness, is a valid area of science investigation. The problem is consciousness cannot be investigated properly by doing it  exclusively in the third person, as deemed by the philosophy of science. 

Consciousness is self awareness and can sense things both externally and internally, with the internal things not clear using third person tools with insufficient resolution. I can become aware of have dreams but no third tools can see these in the same detail as my consciousness. This topic is connected to higher resolution aspects of consciousness and first hand experience from inside the brain's operating system.

An analogy for this contrast of styles are computers and robots. These have both hardware and software. You cannot find glitches in the software, by looking at hardware alone. This is what science tries to do, based on the philosophy of science; third person only. To find these glitches we  need to go inside the brain's "software, to use a term lightly, and look at the coding. This side of the  coin is not about hardware.

Science does not have a consensus definition for consciousness, since a hardware approach, alone, cannot define consciousness in a way to form a consensus. The philosophy of science reached a wall when it started to investigate consciousness. The sciences that deal with this are called soft science since they need to take liberties with the strict philosophy that has met it mach and cannot go any further. 

The ancient people appear to have been better at the software approach. They had a more ethereal view of consciousness; spirit and soul. However they knew very little about the hardware of the brain. Their approach also fell short of the target. The solution to the bottleneck is you need both the software approach and the hardware approach to address one of the last frontiers of science. All scientist uses their consciousness to practice their craft. If that has glitches in the software, is the third person science still correct? We will never know using only a pure third person hardware approach.

Let me give you an example. We live in a quantum world. Quanta are discrete states with gaps between states. Yet statistical modeling gives finite odds to all things; continuous functions,  thereby saying the gaps are not gaps; contradicts the nature of quanta. That glitch permeates much gf science and leads to false positives that often become the foundation of theory. If a group all has same glitch in they're operating system, does that make it right; collective perception?

A hardware approach will not allow us to know. This will requires a software approach.
Did you realise that, in no way, did that address the question
Why is this religious nonsense on a science forum?
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: The Spoon on 03/10/2021 00:58:05
Why is this religious nonsense on a science forum?

The human brain and the phenomena that is generates, called consciousness, is a valid area of science investigation. The problem is consciousness cannot be investigated properly by doing it  exclusively in the third person, as deemed by the philosophy of science. 

Consciousness is self awareness. It can sense things both externally and internally; self, with the internal things not clear cut, using third person tools with insufficient resolution. I can become aware of my dreams, however no third person tools can see these in the same detail as my consciousness. This topic is connected to the higher resolution aspects of consciousness and first hand experiences from inside the brain's operating system.

An analogy for this contrast of styles are computers and robots. These have both hardware and software. You cannot find glitches in the software, by looking at hardware alone. This is what science tries to do, based on the philosophy of science; third person only. To find these glitches we  need to go inside the brain's "software, to use a term lightly, and look at the coding. This side of the  coin is not about hardware. 

Science does not have a consensus definition for consciousness, since a hardware approach, alone, cannot define consciousness in a way to form a consensus. The philosophy of science reached a wall when it started to investigate consciousness. The sciences that deal with this are called soft science since they need to take liberties with the strict philosophy that has met it mach and cannot go any further. 

The ancient people appear to have been better at the software approach. They had a more ethereal view of consciousness; spirit and soul. However they knew very little about the hardware of the brain. Their approach also fell short of the target. The solution to the bottleneck is you need both the software approach and the hardware approach to address one of the last frontiers of science. All scientist uses their consciousness to practice their craft. If that has glitches in the software, is the third person science still correct? We will never know using only a pure third person hardware approach.

Let me give you an example. We live in a quantum world. Quanta are discrete states with gaps between states. Yet statistical modeling gives finite odds to all things; continuous functions,  thereby saying the gaps are not gaps; contradicts the nature of quanta. That glitch permeates much gf science and leads to false positives that often become the foundation of theory. If a group all has same glitch in they're operating system, does that make it right; collective perception?

A hardware approach will not allow us to know. This will requires a software approach.
So once again you have posted overly wordy nonsense that has a veneer of science phraseology  but amounts to to little more than somebody bulshitting and crucially  does not remotely  address the point. Why post such utter crap?
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: puppypower on 03/10/2021 14:36:48
Let me reiterate a point I made near the end of my last post. We live in a quantum world. In a quantum world things exist in discrete states/packets with gaps between. The gaps can be crossed into a new state in zero time. These states, separated by gaps, are called quanta.

One of the mass delusions of science is connected to the overuse of statistical modeling. The reason is statistical modeling denies the nature of our quantum universe, since the gaps mean that not all options have odds. The gaps have zero probability. However, the statistical math draws a continuous probability distribution function, that does not exist in a quantum world. Even the gaps are given finite odds, which can be proven false by science. The quantum statistical curve would be a broken line.

Let me give a good example; the Covid virus. In a quantum world, some of us will get it, but since there are also gaps in this quantum world, there are those who will not get it. Yet, the delusion of statistics treats even the gaps as being vulnerable, thereby wanting 100% vaccination. That is conclusion is not scientifically based within a quantum universe.  This is voodoo science. Why is this still around? Why do think politicians love statistics? It allows them to lie, since even the unlikely fibs are given finite odds, so they can promise the moon in the quantum gaps.

Statistics was first developed, before quantum theory, at a time when science believed in continuous functions. On a positive note, statistics appears to have anticipated the gaps that quantum theory would reveal decades later. However, after quantum theory showed the gaps, statistics never fully left the world of continuous functions. It remained an approximation of a quantum world, with Murphy and others spirits of mischief able to live in the gaps overlay of continuos functions. It is part pre-quantum and part post mystical.

Quantum science has shown these gaps are empty, and they have zero odds. Yet, that retro cult of spirits in the gaps; which give finite odds to the gaps, is still a large part of what is called valid science. Science needs to police itself better and not be hypocrites. I am scientist and I left that retro place decades ago.

This is why studying the brain's operating system is useful to science. If you guys are honest with yourself and your quantum science reasoning, this will be addressed. If you have a glitch, due to this spiritual training; spirits in the gaps, this discussion will avoided.

 
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/10/2021 14:47:33
Let me reiterate a point I made near the end of my last post. We live in a quantum world. In a quantum world things exist in discrete states/packets with gaps between. The gaps can be crossed into a new state in zero time. These states, separated by gaps, are called quanta.
Why?:
We understood it the first time.
It just isn't relevant to the topic.
In a quantum world, some of us will get it, but since there are also gaps in this quantum world, there are those who will not get it.
That's not a quantum thing.
Yet, the delusion of statistics treats even the gaps as being vulnerable, thereby wanting 100% vaccination.
It's not a delusion.
The fact is that we don't know who will get the virus and who won't; so we have to vaccinate everyone (or, at least, all those we can).

That is conclusion is not scientifically based within a quantum universe.
Yes it is, though the quantum bit has nothing to do with it.


Why is this still around?
Well, maybe it is around because only fools like you think it shouldn't be around.

What would you suggest instead?
Who should we vaccinate?


It allows them to lie,
That's ironic coming from someone whose posts are often full of falsehoods.

But politicians are quite capable of lying without recourse to science.
It's usually the science that shows the politicians are wrong.


Quantum science has shown these gaps are empty, and they have zero odds. Yet, that retro cult of spirits in the gaps; which give finite odds to the gaps, is still a large part of what is called valid science.
That makes no sense, yet you seem to think it is important.

I am scientist
No you are not, because you are on record supporting homoeopathy.

Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Petrochemicals on 03/10/2021 22:30:06
If its not in its original packaging its not really worth anything.

Also 666 is probably the star of David, and I am free to count it though, even though this says other wise. 6 intersections 6 points 6 lines.

https://starofdavidsite.wordpress.com/tag/666/

If there are moons per month on this gives the solar orbit as seen from earth 12 full moons a year  and each has 28ish days between it gives rise to the 360 degrees system, roughly the number of days in a year.  So the flag also has 60 degree or day spacings between points.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: puppypower on 05/10/2021 12:03:49
Yet, the delusion of statistics treats even the gaps as being vulnerable, thereby wanting 100% vaccination.
It's not a delusion.
The fact is that we don't know who will get the virus and who won't; so we have to vaccinate everyone (or, at least, all those we can).

This is like saying , a few centuries ago, we do not know the energy levels of a hydrogen atom therefore we will assume all energy levels are possible. This line is reasoning is not how the quantum world is arranged. Lack of understanding, due to theory derived from statistics, is not an excuse to ignore the quantum universe. We know better in 2021.

Many years in the future,  when all the data is in and the pandemic has runs its course, we will discover where the quantum gaps were. This data will also tell us where statistics assumed the whims of the gods were able to ignore the quantum nature of the universe. This 20/20 hindsight data always happens with statistic, but this pseudo-science is allowed to ignore the quantum universe again and again.

If we have a deck of cards or dice, only distinct quanta are possible. We cannot flip a card that is not in the original deck; from out of the quantum gaps between. This action of dealing cards and throwing dices does simulate a quantum world; distinct states. However, cards and dice differ by subjective value, and not by any physical potential or quantum state. All the cards are the same physical size, weight and calorie burn value They differ by printed pictures, that are totally subjective.

The energy levels of hydrogen are not subjective, but are loaded; have different physical potentials. The amount of work that can be done is not imaginary. The reason not everyone will get the virus is different quantum states have different physical potentials which means the virus-person system is not the same for all. Statistics assumes all can get the virus based on subjectivity of card facades. This induces fear even in the gaps; voodoo.

Statistics is in violation of the quantum universe because it is not pure science based. It comes down to applied science versus pure science. Applied science does not have to follow the rules, if it is useful to a task. Pure science is more by the book. Statistics is not by the book, even if it has practical value. Statistics may be very useful in factories where all the widgets need to have the same physical parameters; cards, but can differ in terms of subjective facades. Humans and life is different from cards and subjective facades like race. Statistics allows for prejudice since gaps do not occur in that subjective world. 

Statistics was invented in 1662, to anticipate human demographics. This was at the early stage of modern science and before we understood the nature of the quantum universe. It assumed continuous functions, such as the bell curve. It did not understand that the curves in a quantum world are dashed or discontinuous.
 
Within the quantum dashes, statistics assumes spirits like Murphy's Law, that gave extra subjective enhancement; whims of the gods, so the solid line could be drawn; classic thinking. Why are we using this old tool to explore a quantum universe, and not restricting its use to card factories and widgets?
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/10/2021 13:02:04
We know better in 2021.
Ok, please tell me if my next door neighbour Harrold. will get covid.

Obviously you can't and that's because, even in the 21st C we still do not know who will get it.
Many years in the future,
we can't wait for that; it's stupid to even consider it in this context.

This 20/20 hindsight data always happens with statistic
In the real world, statistics are used to predict things; that's often the point.



but this pseudo-science
It's maths, not pseudo-science.
is allowed to ignore the quantum universe again and again.
For exactly the same reason that we ignore quantum mechanics when driving a car.
Solving the equations for all 10^29 electrons would be impossible, and pointless.

We cannot flip a card that is not in the original deck; from out of the quantum gaps between.
Nobody suggested you could.
Statistics was invented in 1662, to anticipate human demographics.
And it still does a fair job; ask an actuary.
Statistics assumes all can get the virus based on subjectivity of card facades.
No.
It assumes that some fraction of us will get it, and, since we don't know which of us that will be, we have to accept that everyone might be vulnerable.
Why post stuff that's just plain wrong?
. This induces fear even in the gaps; voodoo.
Doubling the death toll for a while in November should induce fear.
that's not voodoo.
Your assertion makes no sense.

It is, of course, also utterly off topic.
Why are you hijacking a thread about religion to tell lies about statistics?
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: alancalverd on 05/10/2021 13:13:31
I hesitate to contribute to this garbage but 99% of people who fall out of aeroplanes without a parachute, die. Now that's only statistics and hindsight, so wearing a parachute is scaremongering, not science, eh?
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Petrochemicals on 05/10/2021 22:12:31
I hesitate to contribute to this garbage but 99% of people who fall out of aeroplanes without a parachute, die. Now that's only statistics and hindsight, so wearing a parachute is scaremongering, not science, eh?
20 percent of motor accidents are caused by people who are drunk, 80 percent of drivers are cold stone sober.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: puppypower on 06/10/2021 13:13:34
I hesitate to contribute to this garbage but 99% of people who fall out of aeroplanes without a parachute, die. Now that's only statistics and hindsight, so wearing a parachute is scaremongering, not science, eh?

Statistics is a useful applied science tool, but it does not reflect the quantum nature of the universe. Quanta exist in district states with gaps between. The core assumptions of statistics are based on continuous functions, which is not how a quantum universe is organized. In a quantum universe, the bell curve should be drawn with a broken line; zero odds. 

In my opinion, this modern resurrection of the whims of the gods in science; statistics, solidified with the experimental observations of Heisenberg. He noticed one cannot know both the position and momentum of a particle at the same time. The term, Uncertainty Principle, as it was called, unknowingly would lead to a statistical approach to our quantum universe, instead of a clean quantum approach, even though the idea of a quantum universe was known. Statistics is grounded on anything can go; have odds, therefore we are uncertain of the outcome; gaps, unless we consult the oracles. We have no clue of the future; place in space and time, therefore we can use fear to make everyone believe everyone is vulnerable. This is good applied political science tool for mob manipulation.

A purely quantum explanation for Heisenberg's historical observations is that position and momentum are both quantized and each appears in the gaps of the other. This will create the illusion of a continuous function, but with the gaps making it impossible for both to be measurable at the same time.

This tells us something about space-time. In a quantum universe, space (position) and time (action such as momentum) are not continuous either. Time and space exist in the gaps of each other to create an illusion of continuous space-time.

Uncertainty in space-time, is the platform for statistics. But in a purely quantum world this arrangement of two connected quanta; space and time, in each other gaps, allows for distinct quanta of time and or space.

Acceleration is two parts time and one part distance. Extra time quanta, beyond that needed for space-time, can account for all the changes of state connected to any type of force. Time potential; time quanta, can create a different distribution of force; total vector acceleration, to create an altered outcome; new quantum state not expected by statistics. This is not whims of the gods but  only force and vector addition due to time potential quanta.

My advice is we should use statistics in widget factories and casinos, but pure science should try to modernize to the needs of a quantum world. Biology, especially, needs to quit cold turkey so it can modernize. Water is a quantum matrix; continuous phase, that has distinct quanta and gaps into which organics can fit and integrate; life. This is how water drives evolution. Evolution via  statistics is an illusion and very manpower intensive.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: puppypower on 06/10/2021 14:31:21
This topic is about the seven seals. The first seal is connected to the symbolic White Horseman who has a bow and arrow and a gold crown on his head. It goes forth conquering and to conquer.

In term of the update of the operating system of the brain, the White Horseman is historically associated with something sinister. However, his color white and his golden crown are both from the side of good; truth. This paradox can be explain in that he is sinister in the sense of being upsetting to the status quo. The worse dictator thinks he is above reproach. But the White Horseman is good in the sense of bringing something that may change the status quo for the better. He has to deal with egos, as much as the truth.

A bow and arrow is a long distance weapon. It is not a weapon that is up close and personal. The bow and arrow, also has a connection to Cupid's arrow; desire. The white horsemen is not designed to win or conquer by inflicting pain, but his job is to inducing desire for needed change. The sword; up close, is the weapon of the second horseman; sharp two edge sword of cause and affect.

All and all the White Horseman is connected to the preparation for the installation of the brain's new operating system. The arrows induce a positive desire for change, that is still in the future. It is type of positive vision and drive that brings one to the point of unknowing uninstalling the old system, so the new system has a cleaner install.

The preparation process symbolized by the White Horseman creates hope and excitement, like when a new Apple or Microsoft operating system is about to be released. It is fun and exciting, but it nevertheless leads to the point of no return; lose the old way, since things will change. Some may stop short at this point. However, during the cycle of the White Horseman is not looking that far ahead. Cupid's arrow is more like infatuation and hopefully expectation.

MAVR appears to have been struck by an arrow of desire. He had the desire to know about the seven seals, which is a large task that has driven many mad. This was light and easy at the beginning, and it appears have triggered the upgrade process. It would also lead to a many year long process that just keeps coming.

The brain's operating system is not exactly like computer memory. It is based on firmware; living memory, so not only does one need a subroutine and data change, via internal experience, but it takes time for the molecules of the brain's cells, to reassemble into new firmware routines that will be enduring and not transient. This will take years. In my case the main change took about four years, with decades of fine tuning building a bridge,  since there was no precedent for how to do either.

The externalization of Satan, which MAVR speaks of, is an awareness of an inner subroutine, that is in all humans, that appears; firmware seed, very early in childhood, connected to cultural training. It is based on law; knowledge of good and evil and fear; original sin. This subroutine is a key part of the current brain' s operating system. It makes us have world view that reality is polarized in various ways; male/female, positive/negative, rich/poor, black/white, left/right, up/down, cause/effect, etc.  Most people cannot think outside the range of the 2-D binarious subroutine. This was useful for the development of differential thinking since it did enhance left brain details and the use of cause and affect.

The externalization of Satan, during the installation process, makes this subroutine conscious via personification. This needs to  be uninstalled or at least downgraded, which is why one is able to see it as separate from yourself. This stage is not easy. This stage is  connected to the Divine woman in labor about to give birth.  She is the female side of the White Horseman; white lion or wisdom.

The irony is the White Horseman is driven by the Satan subroutine, when the subroutine is in heaven or an acceptable part of the operating system; old system before the update which leads to the update.  When Satan is thrown from heaven; externalized, the glory days of desire is no longer condoned. This is a rude awakening since what was good is no longer so. One becomes very vulnerable trying to keep you eye on the ball, with the Satan subroutine externalizes and threatening to take you back to the wrong way for the new system. If you choose that this will place the subroutine back. But if you chose wisely, and turn on a dime, her child or a new subroutine seed will be put in its place; child caught up to heaven. Satan subroutine then has a short time as its neural platform deteriorates and its impulse degenerates worse and worse. This is trip backwards into historical time. This triggers the third horseman.

The installation process is interesting in that it requires the ego participate in the process. This is more than hitting prompts. What the ego does is help potentiate the brain, at various points in the install, which also helps wire the ego to the inner self, so you have more terminal access to the main frame parts of the brain; more creative and intuitive.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 06/10/2021 17:34:19
In my opinion, this modern resurrection of the whims of the gods in science
Nobody else seems to share that opinion.

My advice is we should use statistics in widget factories and casinos, but pure science should try to modernize to the needs of a quantum world.
So, which category do you put statistical mechanics into?
It uses stats; it gives the right answer.


This topic is about the seven seals.
Congratulations on finally spotting that.
Are you going to delete your thread hijacks?


If you want to post a better working  model of the universe than the  one we currently use, then feel free.
But, in the mean time, don't clutter the site with nonsense.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: puppypower on 07/10/2021 14:46:52
In my opinion, this modern resurrection of the whims of the gods in science
Nobody else seems to share that opinion.

My advice is we should use statistics in widget factories and casinos, but pure science should try to modernize to the needs of a quantum world.
So, which category do you put statistical mechanics into?
It uses stats; it gives the right answer.


This topic is about the seven seals.
Congratulations on finally spotting that.
Are you going to delete your thread hijacks?


If you want to post a better working  model of the universe than the  one we currently use, then feel free.
But, in the mean time, don't clutter the site with nonsense.

The seven seals is about an update in the operating system of the human brain. The traditional western extroverted approach to assume this set of dynamics is connected an external set of social events. The story suggests this set of events will weed out people, so what remains is able to coexist in a more peaceful way. This is sort of based on a natural selection model, that leads to an update in the mind; new state of awareness and perception, via selective attrition within a very stressful and anything goes environment. 

My thesis, from experience, is this is indeed about an update in the brain's operating system, but it is actually connected to internal changes that can occur apart from external group dynamics. Like updating computers, all the computers do not all have to form a network of conflict to update. Each can update at their leisure.

To show the need for this update, I was showing how statistics is not consistent with a quantum universe. Yet, like you said, people, even in science will blindly follow it and not want to change. This is not about logic leading, but about a collective impulse from the operating system common to all. It has a connection to a subroutine that needs to be uninstalled.

The quantum universe is composed of distinct states and gaps. This saves time, since there are fewer options, fitting together pieces for evolution, compared to continuous functions. Statistics, which was invented in 1662, uses continuous models without gaps; bell curve. Right there we have a problem.

The question becomes, even if you can see this, where does the resistance to change based on logic and truth come from? This current version of the brain's operating system has a glitch connected to knowledge of good and evil; emotional valance of fear. It will create fear of the unknown consequences both collective and personal. It is better to kick the can down the road than to put oneself out on a limb, if everyone else stays stationary. This comes from law not being allowed to change very fast even for the better.

This departure is not without relevance, to the discussion, since the quantum consideration is simple and clear cut, yet where is the resistance coming from? It comes from a subroutine in the operating system that began near the start of civilization when that update occurred. The new type of human had more control over the environment like never before. He/she were able to use willpower to override the natural instinct of the hunter and gatherers, in favor of new learned rules of human behavior in dense population environments; cities. That Satan subroutine was needed for this purpose,  but now it is obstructive and rate limiting. But again, update is optional and individual.   
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/10/2021 19:32:28
The quantum universe is composed of distinct states and gaps. This saves time, since there are fewer options, fitting together pieces for evolution, compared to continuous functions. Statistics, which was invented in 1662, uses continuous models without gaps; bell curve. Right there we have a problem.
Tosh.
1662 is pretty much when Pascal died.
He's the actual first recorded use of stats and he used it to calculate the odds etc in a dice game.

And, of course, with dice, you don't get a bell curve.
You can't roll 2.6 can you?
So the maths for stats for discrete distributions (ones with gaps) was actually started before the stuff you are talking about.

Why don't you stop posting stuff that's just not true?

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Post by: puppypower on 08/10/2021 12:08:01
The quantum universe is composed of distinct states and gaps. This saves time, since there are fewer options, fitting together pieces for evolution, compared to continuous functions. Statistics, which was invented in 1662, uses continuous models without gaps; bell curve. Right there we have a problem.
Tosh.
1662 is pretty much when Pascal died.
He's the actual first recorded use of stats and he used it to calculate the odds etc in a dice game.

And, of course, with dice, you don't get a bell curve.
You can't roll 2.6 can you?
So the maths for stats for discrete distributions (ones with gaps) was actually started before the stuff you are talking about.

Why don't you stop posting stuff that's just not true?



Dice are manmade objects that date back to ancient times; Egyptians? The ancients were actually the first to suggest a quantum universe. Dice are designed to have all the sides have the same weight; physics potentials, while each side differs by subjective human criteria; signs and symbols. 

This is not how the quantum universe works. The hydrogen atom has quantized energy levels with each side of the this dice having natural potentials. This is not facade but nut and bolts. The hydrogen atom is a loaded dice not allowed in the casinos. It appears it is not even allowed in science casinos, which is my beef.

The black box approach of statistics does not allow you too look inside and weigh the weight of the gears, but rather one is to remain in the subjective dark until the oracle speaks. This is not how to approach a quantum universe. It is useful for power, politics and prestige to take advance of the subjective darkness of the black box, often using fear to make bad quantum assumptions that benefit someone but not all. A quantum universe levels the playing field since without the black box and fear reason; light can appear; enlightenment.
 
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: puppypower on 08/10/2021 12:15:05
One of the problems, where statistics appears to help, is connected to the variable time. Time moves things to the future and the future is not certain. This unknown can feel threatening. Space or location is less threatening, since position is much easy to predict, unless time gets involved to create a wildcard; we may be required to move.

The current definition of time appears to be part of this subjective bottleneck. It assumes time is  connected to space/position as space-time, but in reality time seems to carry the weight for both, into to the future. In a quantum universe both are separate variables that are quantum entangled; in each others gaps, with time potential leading.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 08/10/2021 13:41:55
This is not how the quantum universe works.
Yes it is.
It is, for example, the reason why deuterium lamps are brighter than hydrogen lamps.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 08/10/2021 13:42:24
Why don't you stop posting stuff that's just not true?
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: puppypower on 09/10/2021 13:36:25
This is not how the quantum universe works.
Yes it is.
It is, for example, the reason why deuterium lamps are brighter than hydrogen lamps.


The quote you quoted, from me, was said in the context of dice not being defined by physical potentials, but rather by subjective potentials. The faces of the dice can be anything and any rules; laws, can be used to define the hierarchy for the game we are playing. This is not how nature works. That is more whims of the demi-gods. Dice and cards, used to help explain statistics, makes use of an unnatural and mystical example, since the procedure is subjective and not based on natural potentials. It would new like using unicorns to explain gravity. There disconnect could be used to rig the game so the house can win.

The brightness of hydrogen or deuterium lamps is not due to human subjectivity using cards or dice. This difference has a connection to fixed physical potentials that are quantized. The black box approach of statistics is connected to its subjectivity. In a sense, the unknown can make the imagination go wild and create too many options, so the black box is used to shut that off, by making it out of sight. Then we look at inputs and outputs and ignore what causes this. This is useful, but it stops short of the needs of inquiring minds. Science knows too much to black box things any more. In 1662 they knew very little and most was speculation so the black box was a good way to shift the focus what we can know; input and output. 

Try this experiment. Instead of your store bought standard dice with all side weighing the same, make a dice where each side weighs differently to simulate the energy levels of the hydrogen atom. This will add an objective set of potentials. Will the odds change if we roll the dice? Now all sides do not have the same likelihood of occurring and standard statistic will not apply to any game using this dice. A new type of analysis would be needed to account for the different objective potentials in what was subjective. This means opening the black box, which is not as scary as you may think.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/10/2021 14:02:27
You have gone from saying things that are plainly wrong, to saying things that are meaningless like
. The black box approach of statistics is connected to its subjectivity. In a sense, the unknown can make the imagination go wild and create too many options, so the black box is used to shut that off, by making it out of sight
.
It's not an improvement.
Title: Re: The BOOK Of Seven Seals Is Opened /And Every Single Seal is Broken From It/
Post by: Colin2B on 09/10/2021 15:12:20
You have gone from saying things that are plainly wrong, to saying things that are meaningless like
. The black box approach of statistics is connected to its subjectivity. In a sense, the unknown can make the imagination go wild and create too many options, so the black box is used to shut that off, by making it out of sight
.
It's not an improvement.

Not only is it not an improvement, but it is the biggest load of tosh I’ve ever seen. It is dragging this topic off subject and into the gutter.