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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: yor_on on 05/03/2022 10:10:05

Title: Do you agree to this?
Post by: yor_on on 05/03/2022 10:10:05
Saw someone write

" The subatomic particles that make up the nuclei of atoms can be broken apart by giving them sufficient kinetic energy, but this usually occurs by single collisions with other subatomic particles (which is an orderly addition of kinetic energy in a single collision with a single other particle), rather than by adding heat (which is a chaotic addition of kinetic energy over the course of many randomised collisions with other particles). "

Which, if I read it right, would make a laser unable to 'heat' a isolated atom, 'shooting' photons at it in a orderly manner?
Title: Re: Do you agree to this?
Post by: alancalverd on 05/03/2022 12:19:14
It would work OK if the laser could deliver more than about 1 MeV  photons. Not sure what the lowest threshold is, but photonuclear disintegration is observed.

Heat is a collective property: temperature is the mean kinetic energy of a bounded set of particles, and heat is the total ke of that group within that boundary. A single atom whizzing through space at 0.999c has plenty of energy but no temperature.
Title: Re: Do you agree to this?
Post by: yor_on on 08/04/2022 17:24:17
Thanks Alan :)
Title: Re: Do you agree to this?
Post by: Bored chemist on 08/04/2022 17:49:58
Which, if I read it right, would make a laser unable to 'heat' a isolated atom, 'shooting' photons at it in a orderly manner?
"Heat" isn't well defined for an isolated atom.


Title: Re: Do you agree to this?
Post by: yor_on on 15/04/2022 10:12:02
Could you expand on that BC?
Title: Re: Do you agree to this?
Post by: Bored chemist on 15/04/2022 10:39:00
Could you expand on that BC?
Credit where it's due:
Alan summed it up.
Heat is a collective property: temperature is the mean kinetic energy of a bounded set of particles, and heat is the total ke of that group within that boundary. A single atom whizzing through space at 0.999c has plenty of energy but no temperature.
Title: Re: Do you agree to this?
Post by: yor_on on 17/04/2022 09:46:09
No interactions so no heat. How about radiation? So it shouldn't radiate, right?

How about a wave packet, a 'photon'.

https://faculty.washington.edu/seattle/physics541/2012-reading/photon2.pdf
Title: Re: Do you agree to this?
Post by: alancalverd on 17/04/2022 10:48:59
Photons are radiated when a charged particle accelerates or changes quantum state.
A photon is not a charged particle.