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Title: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 17/10/2022 23:25:29
 If they help me with this, I'll patent it and donate the patent rights to charity. I mentioned to my friend that electronic signatures are accepted online and when I typed my name, that was my electronic signature. Basically I gave him a legally binding agreement.
I think several overbalanced arms will
rotate the wheel while also rotating the weight passing top center. It requires less torque to rotate the weight passing top center than it would take to lift it while it is in its overbalanced position all the way from bottom center to the top.
 This is a variation of Bessler's Mt 20 drawing which Utrecht University has an original book that he published about 300 years ago. With longer arms then the net force this wheel can generate will increase. With Bessler, it will not be possible to prove anything he did because his clues and descriptions lack important details necessary to say what specifically it was that allowed him to be successful.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 18/10/2022 03:32:12
 Basically if a 100kg weight is 1m from its axis, then with 6 weights providing power, that would be the equivalent force of 420kg @ 1m. If the frame has a 2.5m radius it will accelerate at 1/2 the velocity as a frame with a 5m radius.
 The question is if 420kg of force at 1m could rotate a 100kg weight to a height of 2m while rotating the wheel? To rotate the 100kg upward would take 62kg of force over a 2m distance. The weight to the right of the axle would need to travel about from about 8º above the axle to 8º below it while it would still have 38kg of force not used to rotate the weight the top. This means that 420 - 62 = 358kg of force when rotating the top weight. And increasing the radius of the frame allows for more acceleration because of gravity.
 I'm thinking Utrecht University might have to get over the idea actually being possible. And since they have an original Bessler book, they'll know his clues and descriptions will not say he is the inventor. And with donating the patent rights to charity might allow for the best outcome.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Kryptid on 18/10/2022 05:36:06
Will you let us know if it turns out to not work?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Colin2B on 18/10/2022 06:56:23
I'll patent it and donate the patent rights to charity.
Have you checked whether you can patent this?
You have already made it public which limits your ability to patent it. The US has a limited grace period, but most other countries do not.
In addition, the mechanism is well known and it doesn’t matter whether Bessler claimed to be the inventor, it is still in the public domain.
So, even if you have a working model, in order to avoid a utility rejection, it is very unlikely you will be able to patent it.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/10/2022 08:45:31
It didn't work 300 years ago.
Why do you think it will work now?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 18/10/2022 15:52:51
I'll patent it and donate the patent rights to charity.
Have you checked whether you can patent this?
You have already made it public which limits your ability to patent it. The US has a limited grace period, but most other countries do not.
In addition, the mechanism is well known and it doesn’t matter whether Bessler claimed to be the inventor, it is still in the public domain.
So, even if you have a working model, in order to avoid a utility rejection, it is very unlikely you will be able to patent it.

 I have 1 year to apply for a patent. I should probably do that in December.
@Bored chemist, I never said this worked 300 years ago. Witnesses said they heard 8 knocking sounds per rotation when his wheels rotated. Rotating a weight upward in the manner I described will not make knocking sounds. Also if you knew how to calculate torque then you'd know the torque this design generates is much more than it takes to rotate the top weight to an overbalanced position.
 And @Bored chemist, it works do know I'll be moving out of the U.S. You are so typical of an American.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: The Spoon on 18/10/2022 16:00:47
Also if you knew how to calculate torque then you'd know the torque this design generates is much more than it takes to rotate the top weight to an overbalanced position.
Could you show us the calculation that demonstrates this?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 18/10/2022 16:51:54
Also if you knew how to calculate torque then you'd know the torque this design generates is much more than it takes to rotate the top weight to an overbalanced position.
Could you show us the calculation that demonstrates this?


  I already did. If someone has a degree in science then they should know math and understand it when it is shown to them. Basically if people who should know math are to lazy to consider it then that's not my problem. And if Utrecht does not evaluate this because it is perpetual motion then I'll build it myself and will keep the patent rights.
 I think with the energy situation in Europe that mathematicians at Utrecht University will consider it. It is as I mentioned, they'll need to move past someone saying it can't work who hasn't considered the math. And with me, I'll be able to say why I can donate the patent rights to that for charity is because I'll also be patenting a better wind turbine design which I have not shown anyone.
 Then if I want to have a life I won't have to answer to people who say I can't know or do something. I did figure out what allows for both intergalcial periods and ice ages. Scientists haven't figured that out yet.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 18/10/2022 17:09:51
 If this can generate electricity for the power grid, then it's not what Bessler built. His drawings clearly show the axle of his wheel was being used as a hoist to lift a pallet. That's not a lot of power. Not when you consider that he wrote that his axle was 1 inch in diameter.
 Witnesses said 8 knocking sounds per revolution. What I discovered will be fairly quiet. What I've been building makes a knocking sound when its weight wheel rolls outward and is stopped by the frame. And yet if it does work according to the math that I realized I'll still be attacked because people will have to defend their credibility. Making a bad situation better simply will not matter.
 And to be nice I can just say that I need surgery and Americans want me to suffer until I die. What doctors have been doing to me is not their problem and as (American) Christians have told me, Jesus doesn't help people and they don't care because it's God's will that I suffer.
 And we're back to Marty McFly and Doc Brown on Jimmy Kimmel, people just want to be entertained.
Kind of where I like Star Trek but also know that I am descended from Vikings. So I know there is a past and a future. And with Vikings, they taught government and trade to Europeans. Why this would matter today is when donating the patent rights to charity, I could also say help Ukraine.
 The Kiev Rys (pronounced Roos) were Vikings who founded Kiev and established basically what is Ukraine. And then I could say Ukrainians, be careful. Your president has to support Israel who does not support a 2 state solution. Why he couldn't negotiate with Putin if that were possible.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/10/2022 17:17:36
You are so typical of an American.
Not really...
Just look at the timestamps for when I post stuff.

I already did.
Where?
 If this can generate electricity for the power grid,
It can't.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 18/10/2022 17:19:01
Also if you knew how to calculate torque then you'd know the torque this design generates is much more than it takes to rotate the top weight to an overbalanced position.
Could you show us the calculation that demonstrates this?

 It's not possible to get someone to know something when they already have the answer. Maybe some of you guys could learn trigonometry? It seems you can't understand basic math.
 And whoever added the tag delusional thinking, this works and I'll make that known and that is what science forums are about. Why I won't bother to post in here anymore. I don't need the abuse.
 I did show that I understand why ice ages happen but that doesn't show I know anything, right?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: The Spoon on 18/10/2022 17:45:52
Also if you knew how to calculate torque then you'd know the torque this design generates is much more than it takes to rotate the top weight to an overbalanced position.
Could you show us the calculation that demonstrates this?


  I already did. If someone has a degree in science then they should know math and understand it when it is shown to them. Basically if people who should know math are to lazy to consider it then that's not my problem. And if Utrecht does not evaluate this because it is perpetual motion then I'll build it myself and will keep the patent rights.
 I think with the energy situation in Europe that mathematicians at Utrecht University will consider it. It is as I mentioned, they'll need to move past someone saying it can't work who hasn't considered the math. And with me, I'll be able to say why I can donate the patent rights to that for charity is because I'll also be patenting a better wind turbine design which I have not shown anyone.
 Then if I want to have a life I won't have to answer to people who say I can't know or do something. I did figure out what allows for both intergalcial periods and ice ages. Scientists haven't figured that out yet.
Obfuscation again. What next? More whining self pity. You are just repeating the same nonsense on multiple threads .
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 18/10/2022 17:59:07
@Bored chemist, if I pointed a loaded gun at my head and pulled the trigger, would it work?
You'll say it won't. It is interesting how the most credible people online think that way. Nothing
I know could possibly work.
 When I said I needed to pursue an ileostomy, a Jewish neighbor had the U.S. government commit
me to a psychiatric hospital. I was released after 10 days because they realized that when someone is 100%
disabled and needs an ileostomy they should be pursuing an ileostomy.
 If I can understand how inertia allows for ice ages do know that I also understand what will allow for perpetual
motion to work. And since I will control the patent and this is a British forum, I'll say that England and the U.S.
do not need anything I can do because I can't know anything.

@The Spoon, I'm not whining when people attack me because they don't understand science or math in a science forum. If you don't understand trigonometry then I can't explain anything to you. If you don't understand moment of inertia and conservation of momentum, then I cannot explain anything to you. And someone creating the tag "delusional thinking" is emotional abuse and nothing else. I saved a screenshot of it. My invention works and The Naked Scientists will be known for discouraging and interest in science and engineering. And since a psychiatric hospital has stated that I am aware of my situation and of a sane mind, it might be you guys who are delusional.
 This simply means that what you wrote about me is emotional abuse as well.

p.s., it is nice being able to say that a psychiatric hospital found me to be a sane person and yet the tag suggests that I am not. I think I will agree with professional psychiatrists on this one.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/10/2022 18:08:49
 It's not possible to get someone to know something when they already have the answer. Maybe some of you guys could learn trigonometry? It seems you can't understand basic math.
You have failed to understand the nature of the relationship here. The ones pointing out Noether's theorem are not the ones who need to study harder.

When  a teacher asks pupils to "show their working" it is not because the teacher is unfamiliar with the way in which the calculation is done.
They do it so that, if the student makes a mistake, the teacher can work out where the misunderstanding lies.

Your work is clearly mistaken because you think you ca have a perpetual motion machine.
We are hoping to find out what detail you have failed to grasp.

Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/10/2022 18:11:29
@Bored chemist, if I pointed a loaded gun at my head and pulled the trigger, would it work?
You'll say it won't.
Why do you imagine I would say that?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 18/10/2022 18:32:31
@Bored chemist, if I pointed a loaded gun at my head and pulled the trigger, would it work?
You'll say it won't.
Why do you imagine I would say that?

 I don't know anything that could work. If I say it, it can't work. That is all you've said to me.
If you can't understand how the Earth's moment of inertia changes influences its linear and angular momentum influences how the slingshot affect causes the Earth to orbit around the Sun, we can do that math. You guys are in a science forum, we could write a formula that would show over time why an ice age happens.
 We can do that. Then maybe you could understand how a rotating mass could rotate another mass creating an imbalance? I mean if you guys understood the math behind interglacials and ice ages then you could understand something complex like my invention?
 And since there is the universal constant G (6.674×10−11) we could use that to create a lesser mass for the Earth/Moon when considering orbital velocities and inertia. That's what scientists do because it allows for a more precise relationship between orbits and the Sun.
 And all we'd have to consider is total KE of the Earth, both linear and angular and how that change influences how the Sun's orbital velocity can accelerate the Earth/Moon.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/10/2022 19:04:17
 I don't know anything that could work. If I say it, it can't work. That is all you've said to me.
No
I have said perpetual motion can't work- because, of course, it can't.
I never said anything about guns or whatever, did I?
Why lie about it?
If you can't understand how the Earth's moment of inertia changes influences its linear and angular momentum influences how the slingshot affect causes the Earth to orbit around the Sun, we can do that math.
I can.
So, what was your point?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 18/10/2022 20:45:37
I don't know anything that could work. If I say it, it can't work. That is all you've said to me.
No
I have said perpetual motion can't work- because, of course, it can't.
I never said anything about guns or whatever, did I?
Why lie about it?
If you can't understand how the Earth's moment of inertia changes influences its linear and angular momentum influences how the slingshot affect causes the Earth to orbit around the Sun, we can do that math.
I can.
So, what was your point?


  Who discovered that? Not you. Good bye.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/10/2022 21:31:07
You do realise this is a discussion forum, don't you.
There's an expectation that you answer questions.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: pzkpfw on 18/10/2022 22:10:40
What fascinates me most in these threads is how doggedly someone can remain fooled - by a fraud carried out three hundred years ago!

All these years and nobody (including the OP) has been able to make a working wheel; and science has shown it can't work.

But here we are.

Outside of religion (here I include stuff like the turin shroud), what fraud has persisted longer?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 18/10/2022 22:33:46
You do realise this is a discussion forum, don't you.
There's an expectation that you answer questions.


 That's the same thing Nazis told my Father when he was a kid.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 18/10/2022 22:41:26
What fascinates me most in these threads is how doggedly someone can remain fooled - by a fraud carried out three hundred years ago!

All these years and nobody (including the OP) has been able to make a working wheel; and science has shown it can't work.

But here we are.

Outside of religion (here I include stuff like the turin shroud), what fraud has persisted longer?

 And yet no one in here has considered the math when it was posted. Who belongs to a science forum but doesn't know math? Kind of why I'm wasting my time in here. For me, it's a joke on me. I thought people in a science forum might better understand math and science but I have been proven wrong.

 I know, it hasn't happened yet because God said no. If God wants it to happen then it will. Let's pray.
Dear Jesus, please allow a perpetual motion to be built that will work. Math and science does not allow for it. So I pray in your name Jesus that the design I posted will work in your Holy name and then charities can benefit from being given the patent rights.

                                                                                             Amen

 And if it works it will be because I prayed and math and science will have had nothing to do with it.
Feel better? What science has become. And now if it works I'll be able to say that prayer allowed for what science couldn't. And yet Christians want me to suffer until I die talking about how good they are. Some Nazi like individuals in this forum are the same way. When Christians told me I had to be obedient and do what I'm told or think and talk the right way, what Nazis told my Father.
 It's nice to know the more things change the more they remain the same.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/10/2022 23:16:54
Who belongs to a science forum but doesn't know math?
You, or you would understand that Noether was right.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/10/2022 23:20:17
You do realise this is a discussion forum, don't you.
There's an expectation that you answer questions.


 That's the same thing Nazis told my Father when he was a kid.
What? That he ad signed up to a discussion forum and agreed to follow the rules?

It might be better if you leave family history out of it.

it hasn't happened yet because God said no.
It's almost certainly better if you leave God out of it.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Halc on 18/10/2022 23:23:06
What fascinates me most in these threads is how doggedly someone can remain fooled - by a fraud carried out three hundred years ago!
You should realize that nobody (the OP in particular) is fooled by said 300 year old design. If they were, they'd have built it instead of posted about it. The point of the post, and all the similar ones, is to push the collective buttons of all who directly respond, and there are many here who cannot resist that bait.

The topic has been a fantastic success, going on for some time with nobody able to provide a better rebuttal than the admittedly dogmatic: "It's been proven impossible", which it has of course, but if that's all you got, say it the once and then just let the OP blather.

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All these years and nobody (including the OP) has been able to make a working wheel; and science has shown it can't work.
Of course nobody has. Nobody is trying. A few post videos of incomplete works in progress since those get hits, but nobody posts a completed model because those don't, except the ones that are frauds.


And yet no one in here has considered the math when it was posted.
I actually noticed that. Your math is wrong of course, but nobody seems to say where. It is admittedly difficult since I cannot tell what the gadget is supposed to do just from the picture. In particular, some mechanism up top is suppose to suddenly rotate that weight to the top by magic. It isn't clear what mechanism does that from just one picture.

I think your attempt at the mathematics was this in post 2.

Basically if a 100kg weight is 1m from its axis, then with 6 weights providing power, that would be the equivalent force of 420kg @ 1m.
The picture seems to show 16 weights, 7 each on left and right and the other two top and bottom. That's ~16000 newtons of force. 6 such masses would provide ~6000 n of force, not 420 kg, which isn't even a unit of force.
Perhaps you're speaking of torque, in which case you should do the computation in torque. I don't see it. 600 kg of mass held at a meter from an axis provides ~6000 n•m of torque. I'm assuming ~10 m/sec² of gravity here just to keep the numbers round.

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If the frame has a 2.5m radius it will accelerate at 1/2 the velocity as a frame with a 5m radius.
Neither accelerates at all since it is presumed fixed and just rotating in place. Perhaps you're confusing velocity with angular velocity, in which case the statement is simply wrong. A smaller wheel will undergo larger angular acceleration given identical tangential force applied at the edge.
This is your mathematics backing? You choose to display very little knowledge of basic physics.

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The question is if 420kg of force
kg is not a unit of force. Force doesn't cause rotation. Torque does.

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could rotate a 100kg weight to a height of 2m while rotating the wheel?
A mass is not rotated to a height. It is raised to a height, which consumes energy equal to force•height. You've not done any energy calculation that I've seen, but a 100 kg mass raised 2m would require ~2000 joules. Rotation has nothing to do with it.

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To rotate the 100kg upward would take 62kg of force over a 2m distance.
Wrong again. It would require 1000n force over 2m vertical displacement. How are you making up all these numbers that don't even have the correct units?

You need to actually do correct, mathematics. You seem to be attempting to describe how the weights on the right exert more torque on the wheel than do the weights on the left, but you do no torque calculations, so you haven't really verified the design at all. Yes, there is a net torque there, but the excess is needed to flip up each weight at the top of the wheel, mechanism for which is left completely unexplained.

So instead of claiming you've done the mathematics, actually post some real analysis, describing all the parts, and using actual units of torque and force and energy and such.
You won't of course since you seem reluctant to display even middle-school physics knowledge.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/10/2022 23:34:40
I think you are giving him too much credit.
I don't think he's clever enough to be a troll.
I think he's a fool, probably with genuine mental health issues.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Kryptid on 18/10/2022 23:56:33
I think he's a fool

Please don't provoke him.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 00:23:40
I think he's a fool

Please don't provoke him.

 You guys don't even know you're cyber bullies. I mean you guys are right and I am wrong. Nothing to discuss.
If you guys were kept from having a life like I have been in the U.S. because of white supremacy, bored chemist is an example of that, then you'd understand that your attitude is similar. If I were a "pure" American we wouldn't be having this discussion. And yes, I do consider bored chemist to be a white supremacist, especially when he states that the purpose of this forum is for me to answer HIS questions. I'm not obligated to him for any reason. Only a supremacist would require me to answer to him.
 I won't miss anything but a lot of needless frustration by not posting in here. You guys haven't even shown where you're familiar with trigonometry. And for fun, with the ask a question feature, I asked who ever owns this forum why 7 weights can't rotate a wheel while lifting 1 weight a short distance. I'd think that'd be obvious but for such basic math to be ignored, you know, 7 is more than 1, you guys couldn't consider it.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Kryptid on 19/10/2022 00:34:35
You guys don't even know you're cyber bullies.

I, personally, try not to be.

I mean you guys are right and I am wrong. Nothing to discuss.

It's not bullying to correct someone where they are wrong. Noether's theorem won't let your perpetual motion machine work. It has nothing to do with us, but with the fundamental laws of the Universe.

If you guys were kept from having a life like I have been in the U.S. because of white supremacy, bored chemist is an example of that, then you'd understand that your attitude is similar. If I were a "pure" American we wouldn't be having this discussion. And yes, I do consider bored chemist to be a white supremacist, especially when he states that the purpose of this forum is for me to answer HIS questions. I'm not obligated to him for any reason. Only a supremacist would require me to answer to him.

That's a very big reach. You can't tell what someone's race is over a forum unless they say so or post a picture. I haven't seen any posts of Bored Chemist's which remotely suggest he's a white supremacist. He wasn't demanding you answer to him as though he was some kind of special authority. He's pointing out that a discussion board is for discussion, and people general expect answers when asked questions. That applies to everyone here, not just him.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 00:37:11
 New deal. If the trash works, there will be no patent and I will not get an ileostomy.
After all, bored chemist asked "it didn't work 300 years". And so he said it can't work today because it wasn't built 300 ears ago. And I and nobody else except those in power will benefit from it. I am 1 and you are many. I will gladly suffer until I die because like Christians my suffering will make you feel better about your own lives.
 And it can never work. And if someone builds it and says it works I will say it doesn't work because thenakedscientists group said that 7 is not more than 1 unless you are attacking someone who is handicapped. This means that I do not deserve to live unless bored chemist tells me I am obligated to live for him.
 Sound fair? I will never disagree with you guys. And if it ruins my life, it cost you what? Nothing to ruin it because you're simply bored and can't count on 2 hands. You guys are as bad as Christians and white supremacists. We don't need to count to 7. We're that good.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Kryptid on 19/10/2022 00:45:28
Honestly, this is getting tiresome. Using sarcasm and self-deprecating speech is irrelevant to whether or not your device will work. If you've been dealt a bad hand in life, then I'm sorry that things have worked out that way for you but it has no place in a discussion about perpetual motion. We aren't telling you that you are wrong because you are disabled or handicapped or whatever. We are telling you that you are wrong because you are provably wrong. Please stop trying to make this anything more than that, because it isn't.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 00:54:04
I know what brainwashing is. I had 2 Army officers who were roommates and they demonstrated examples for me. I'm not the problem and I am under no obligation to do what you guys tell me to do. You have said I am and that is what supremacy is about. What you guys need is someone to push around and I'll have to say No Thank You.

p.s., one way to recognize abusive people, it is when they say we're not attacking you but what you're doing. Nah. You're attacking the person. That's why I can't have a life in the U.S., I'm not a pure native English speaker. I don't have normal hearing. Abusive people will find something to justify their abusive behavior.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Kryptid on 19/10/2022 01:02:07
So you're going to continue on this irrelevant tirade instead of actually discussing why perpetual motion is or is not possible, huh? Then you're not discussing science. Do you want to talk about science or do you want to complain?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 01:34:40
 You guys are abusive. When I posted the original post, it was not discussed and no questions were asked.
bored chemist said it never worked 300 years ago. Not a question. Scientists said it's not possible. Not a question.
It has never worked. Not a question. Why I say you guys are abusive.
 One church I asked for help told me they would be inspired if I went to their church and converted. Then I could ask God to help me. And then by suffering until I die I could show them what faith is and then they might like me.
 You guys are worse. I am obligated to answer questions you never asked. And yet I am delusional for pursuing an ileostomy. A psychiatric hospital said I am not. And yet you tell me to leave my health out of it when that is why I am pursuing this. Another sign you guys are abusive. You want me to suffer while you say that isn't what you want.
 My pursuing this is 100% about my getting an ileostomy. It is about my not being abused by doctors who are covering up malpractice. Yet you guys coach me to let you guys attack me.
Option A is I build. Option B is I kill myself. I will let you guys decide. And with Christmas coming up, while I am not allowed to have a family or to pursue good health and a life, people might as well benefit from my being abused for over 13 years by doctors. My surgeon simply didn't know how my intestines went back in and so he got it wrong.
 If I commit suicide, the malpractice will most likely be covered up but you guys get to decide if I live or die. I don't pursue my projects then I simply have no reason to live. And remember, perpetual motion is impossible.
Perpetual motion is the motion of bodies that continues forever in an unperturbed system. A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work infinitely without an external energy source. This kind of machine is impossible, as it would violate either the first or second law of thermodynamics or both.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

 After all, gravity has no energy. While that has never been proven, I have to accept it because someone who doesn't know why ice ages occur said they know it's true. Kind of what you guys failed miserably on, I figured out what PhD scientists couldn't. But I'm still stupid and need to accept that I should not be pursuing an ileostomy. I should not want to have a life.
 You guys get to make the decision. I simply have no need to suffer until I die when that is the only thing I will be doing.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 01:59:17
That's how abusive you guys are. It's no fun being on the receiving end. And again, if I don't understand science then how did I figure out why ice ages and interglacials happen? Also, since I was posting actual work that I am pursuing, I should have been treated as a guest instead of as a target.
 It's your forum and your supremacist rules. Just no getting around that.

It didn't work 300 years ago.
Why do you think it will work now?

 That is thinking and talking the right way like a real native English speaker. I've discussed things with people who are not native English speakers and receive a different response.

 Note the time stamps;
 Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 16:00:47 »
Quote from: JLindgaard on Yesterday at 15:52:51

    Also if you knew how to calculate torque then you'd know the torque this design generates is much more than it takes to rotate the top weight to an overbalanced position.

Could you show us the calculation that demonstrates this?

and 
Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 03:32:12 »
 Basically if a 100kg weight is 1m from its axis, then with 6 weights providing power, that would be the equivalent force of 420kg @ 1m. If the frame has a 2.5m radius it will accelerate at 1/2 the velocity as a frame with a 5m radius.
 The question is if 420kg of force at 1m could rotate a 100kg weight to a height of 2m while rotating the wheel? To rotate the 100kg upward would take 62kg of force over a 2m distance. The weight to the right of the axle would need to travel about from about 8º above the axle to 8º below it while it would still have 38kg of force not used to rotate the weight the top. This means that 420 - 62 = 358kg of force when rotating the top weight. And increasing the radius of the frame allows for more acceleration because of gravity.

 The basic outline was already posted but he asked any way about
"Could you show us the calculation that demonstrates this?"

 I really have to believe that you guys are illiterate when it comes to math. It might be you've never calculated torque
yet I explained the amount of torque this design will generate. I tried discussing the math but was instead attacked.
 A clear sign that you guys are abusive. If you cannot understand that a design allows for a net torque equal in force to
400kg at a distance of 1 meter, how do you guys miss that? You ignore the math while attacking me personally. And then say not to mention my medical problems which is why I am pursuing this. People just can't be more abusive than that.
 And with the 400kg of force at 1 meter, that's allowing for the weight at top center to be rotated to its overbalanced position. I'd say it is generous on my part to donate the patent rights to charity in exchange for an ileostomy. An ileostomy will cost about $2,500 plus a couple of days in the hospital.
 All you guys have said is I can't. Kind of where I'm hoping the people at Utrecht University will think Europe needs energy so why not consider this. And with mathematicians who most likely have PhD's being involved, they might wonder why scientists said don't consider the math. That would give mathematicians something to be proud of. They would've considered the math while scientists rejected it.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 03:21:02
 And I've been relearning math and learning calculus. I am familiar with calculus and can work known formulas.
But I am losing interest in math and science. Hvorfor? Jeg snakker Engelsk. Død over Norge.
 Right? Why learn math if I will be hated in a science forum for it? Why post work and math if it will be ignored?
Since as @Bored chemist said, a forum is about discussing things, then why is it not possible to discuss why the tropopause is a barrier?
 Why can't it be discussed how a change in the Earth's moment of inertia changes how the Sun's gravity influences its orbit?
 Why is it not possible to discuss Newton's laws of motion while newton's of force changes how mechanical force is considered?
 I wasn't blessed by the Lord to have 2 Engleske speaking parents from the same country. I didn't even have 2 Engleske speaking parents. I don't pursue science to be hated. Especially by people who say they like science.
 And unlike you guys, I've had to travel from the African coast to eastern Russia (cross the Urals and Yekaterinburg is about 50km from the continental divide between Europe and Asia, just common knowledge). And when in Yekaterinburg I also walked on water. It was winter and their river was frozen yet ice is water, right?  Have circled the globe and have been in many different countries. Circling the globe is a literal 360º and realistically, I've only lived in 2 countries (and spoken their languages according to my age)and have been in fewer than 12. And I've also spent 5 years learning both French and Russian and another year learning Ukrainian.
 Science and math was basically something stable in my life until I wanted to have a life in one place. It is odd to consider I've sailed across 3 oceans and have been on 5 of 7 continents. And yet science and religion don't allow for life. Maybe I should sail the Arctic Ocean and visit South America and Antarctica? Then I could look at what seas I haven't sailed? That is referencing the 7 Seas of lore.
 Am curious, what have you guys done? Get married and have kids? It's not personal while my being attacked is. I know, you guys hate me for know the difference between Понимать and Зрозумійте.
 If I used the Ukrainian word to understand in a sentence then it would be Я розумію.
With Russian it is different. The Ukrainian language is softer when spoken than Russian.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 04:05:06
 So we can get to know each other, what countries and languages have you guys learned and what countries hve you lived in and have visited?

p.s., South Korea is one of the countries I have visited.

  Andrei Cerbu who is a Romanian musician knows that if things work out for me I'll most likely help to make him and his friends known by having them tour other countries. Most likely concerts would be performed in at least 3 languages. Kind of a way of suggesting tolerance might be considered when dealing with people who aren't of your own kind. He knows this and he loves music. It'd be his love of music that would help everything to happen.
He does have a few different YouTube channels to help promote Romanian talent.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 05:08:07
I was on the USS Kitty Hawk. 6 Russians died. Not reported. Cold War and all. I went on watch after the incident happened. We "lost" one boiler because the fuel tank was ruptured by the submarine's propeller. But what matters is what is reported and we need to know the right way to talk.
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-day-soviet-nuclear-submarine-k-314-rammed-uss-kitty-hawk/

 Our phone talkers relayed all communications so nothing was kept "private". And there is what isn't known.
Believe what you read. You are right for believing that. And as a disabled Veteran who served on the USS Kitty Hawk I will accept what I am told. And I can read. And I know the truth because I read it and someone told me it is true.
 I know what happened and I will accept what the link says because I served Honorably in the U.S Navy and was there and I believe what I read.
 Do you guys feel better? I accept what I have been told. And after you read the "official" version, there is what happened.

 From a perspective associated with the engine room that lost a boiler, a water hammer would've killed everyone in the engine room in 6 seconds. Why losing a boiler matters. That's how you get water in steam. Fun times. Ever think about things might be better? Running over a submarine they could be much worse. Like discussing science in a science forum. But you guys have families and are bored with your wives and your kids. So you attack me. And now you know who you've been attacking.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Kryptid on 19/10/2022 05:19:45
When someone says that 2+2=5, and then I correct them by telling them that 2+2=4, I am not abusing them.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 05:31:11
 You guys need to accept that you need to [expletive deleted] me because you had a family. Christians are no different.
Your kids tell you how good you are but you're like everyone else. And then I make an easy target. For me
that's all things are about. Why I'm threatened with being banned when you guys never discuss math. Tell your kids how good you are. Why you have a family and I don't. You are that good and if your kids can't tell you that then that's something you should talk to them about.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Kryptid on 19/10/2022 05:34:12
Why I'm threatened with being banned when you guys never discuss math.

Did you miss Halc's earlier post in this same thread?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 06:01:04
 I have to support the math I've done and I cannot say my kids tell me how good I am. At Christmas you'll love your kids. Right now they are why you didn't consider the math. It's in the Bible.
Psalm 127:4; Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one’s youth.

 Yep, you're good but if we discuss science I can't accept what your kids say about you.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2022 08:40:39
And yes, I do consider bored chemist to be a white supremacist, especially when he states that the purpose of this forum is for me to answer HIS questions.
So... deluded or trolling?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2022 08:41:04
You guys need to accept that you need to [expletive deleted] me because you had a family.
WTF?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: paul cotter on 19/10/2022 09:14:25
Op, why do you want an ileostomy?, it seems to be a very strange desire. An ileostomy is usually an emergency procedure carried out when catastrophic damage has occurred in the colon. Having an ileostomy is no walk in the park: the amount of fluid emanating from the terminal ileum is such that regular bag changes are needed together with the likelihood of leakages and infection of the stoma- ie ongoing daily problems. I do not know anyone who has had an ileostomy/colostomy but I know the relevant biology and they are definitely a last resort.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Origin on 19/10/2022 13:24:49
 I have to support the math I've done and I cannot say my kids tell me how good I am. At Christmas you'll love your kids. Right now they are why you didn't consider the math. It's in the Bible.
Psalm 127:4; Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one’s youth.

 Yep, you're good but if we discuss science I can't accept what your kids say about you.

What are you talking about??  Are you OK?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 16:10:59
 I will be deleting my online presence. Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, etc. I will not have surgery. And then because I do not want to have a life I will not be attacked. My mother told me if she made my life difficult people would ruin it because that's the way the West works. As the moderators said, I cannot use my needing surgery as an excuse to pursue life. Then I have no need to do anything any more. I hope you guys are happy because like any other forum online, they only exist so that the christians in those churches can attack someone who is not one of them.
also the invention will never be patented because I'll only be building it to prove that science is a religion just like any church is a religion.

 

 What to talk about. Some things called thanksgiving and christmas are coming up but they don't matter.
next year I'll be able to afford to buy marijuana so I can sit home and get stoned. and I will never again mention my medical problems, science, math or anything about a supposed god.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Kryptid on 19/10/2022 16:31:58
As the moderators said, I cannot use my needing surgery as an excuse to pursue life.

We have said no such thing.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: JLindgaard on 19/10/2022 16:40:05
As the moderators said, I cannot use my needing surgery as an excuse to pursue life.

We have said no such thing.

 I wish I could you help you but I do not know the answer to that. Maybe you can ask one of these other forum members?
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Kryptid on 19/10/2022 16:42:21
I wish I could you help you but I do not know the answer to that.

I didn't ask a question, I made a statement.

EDIT: One of the other moderators said that you will be allowed back on the forums when you show a working model of your device, as witnessed and confirmed by Utrecht University. Send an E-mail when that happens.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Colin2B on 19/10/2022 17:00:00
This poster has repeatedly ignored moderator requests to:
-  keeping to topic and not ranting.
- not reopen a closed thread
- post only in New Theories section

This topic has been previously published elsewhere by the op, however we cut him some slack to allow discussion and defence of his ideas, but he has now resorted to more off topic rants and has also used non-family friendly language.

He also needs to note that his maths has been commented on by @Halc who is to be commended for taking the trouble to answer a very confused piece of pseudomaths which demonstrates very poor understanding of both the maths and physics by the op.

For the above reasons this poster is now banned.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: The Spoon on 19/10/2022 17:28:50
I will be deleting my online presence. Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, etc. I will not have surgery. And then because I do not want to have a life I will not be attacked. My mother told me if she made my life difficult people would ruin it because that's the way the West works. As the moderators said, I cannot use my needing surgery as an excuse to pursue life. Then I have no need to do anything any more. I hope you guys are happy because like any other forum online, they only exist so that the christians in those churches can attack someone who is not one of them.
also the invention will never be patented because I'll only be building it to prove that science is a religion just like any church is a religion.

 

 What to talk about. Some things called thanksgiving and christmas are coming up but they don't matter.
next year I'll be able to afford to buy marijuana so I can sit home and get stoned. and I will never again mention my medical problems, science, math or anything about a supposed god.
So his swansong was predictably whinging self pity.
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Zer0 on 19/10/2022 17:41:13
The Only thing that I Liked about this OP was the " Donate to Charity " stuff.
👍
Rest All seemed like a Mindless Rant!
🤬
Feel Sorry for my Ownself that i Wazted precious Time reading All of it.
😔
Title: Re: An Offer I Made to Utrecht University in the Netherlands
Post by: Origin on 19/10/2022 19:12:35
I will gladly suffer until I die because like Christians my suffering will make you feel better about your own lives.
If you were to learn some science and were able to understand that your perpetual motion machine wouldn't work, I think you would find that almost everyone on this site would congratulate you.  No one (that I know of) wants you to suffer.  If you are suffering because you don't like being wrong about something, I am afraid that is all your doing.