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Title: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 18/10/2022 00:18:45
If to compress into gasoline or diesel fuel 2CO + 3H2. Will the combustion be greater?
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: Kryptid on 18/10/2022 05:43:31
Given that carbon monoxide is already partially oxidized, I'd predict the overall energy to be lower than just pure gasoline of the same overall volume.
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: evan_au on 18/10/2022 09:34:06
Quote from: OP
2CO + 3H2. Will the combustion be greater?
If you want the combustion to be greater, just use the H2 in an internal combustion engine.
- Mix it with air, and you get quite good combustion.
- If you want more efficiency, feed it into a fuel cell, and drive an electric vehicle.

Some people call this the "Hydrogen Economy".
- But for vehicle applications, Hydrogen has a fairly low energy density - you need an enormous fuel tank in your car, truck or aeroplane!
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 19/10/2022 11:54:23
Thanks for the idea. But there is a thing. Truck diesel engine can create a lot of C only. You mean C oxidized better than CO?

I was thinking take CO2 gases from exhaust and do like this CO2 + CH4 = 2CO + 2H2. Will it work like that as well 2CO2 + CH4 + H2O = 3CO + 3H2?
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 19/10/2022 11:57:02
An also I've heard it possible to set steam on fire using Tesla Coil. I saw a video 20 years ago, a Ukrainian guy at home was burning water using Tesla Coil. He wasn't setting water on fire directly. There was something installed on top of the water cup he created on his own. Look like a little pen. And when he stick tesla sparks on a tip of that pen, water go on fire. Pen have a little hole. Fire comes out from that hole.

Is this might mean that grater the sparking surface, better the combustion?

Can be made steam combustion engine using this method?
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: paul cotter on 19/10/2022 12:23:36
Despite various videos pretending to burn water this is not possible. In these demonstrations the apparent energy is coming from the electrical input. Water is the "ash" left over from burning hydrogen-would one try to burn ash?
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 19/10/2022 12:43:14
Despite various videos pretending to burn water this is not possible. In these demonstrations the apparent energy is coming from the electrical input. Water is the "ash" left over from burning hydrogen-would one try to burn ash?
Well, no idea, may be needs to add another ingredient or something.
Fireman say if fire heat goes over 10,000 degrees water sets on fire. I don't think there is any water around such heat, but super hot steam, i assume.
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/10/2022 12:56:11
Fireman say if fire heat goes over 10,000 degrees water sets on fire.
No fire can even get half that hot.
The claim is meaningless.
Water does not burn.
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: paul cotter on 19/10/2022 12:58:57
10000 degrees? What fire produces these temperatures? Steam is water vapour and does not burn.
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: paul cotter on 19/10/2022 13:00:24
Sorry BC, I posted too late.
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 27/10/2022 18:19:53
10000 degrees? What fire produces these temperatures? Steam is water vapour and does not burn.

Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: Bored chemist on 27/10/2022 18:43:13
10000 degrees? What fire produces these temperatures? Steam is water vapour and does not burn.

You seem to have posted a video, but forgotten to answer the question.
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: evan_au on 28/10/2022 09:04:17
I don't speak Russian... :(

Is the video using a big tank of water on a high shelf to generate hydro-power?
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 15/11/2022 14:08:01
I don't speak Russian... :(

Is the video using a big tank of water on a high shelf to generate hydro-power?

Yes, they make steam from water using heat and release steam on the hot charcoal. I guess hotter the steam, better the effect.
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 15/11/2022 14:08:47
I found that gasoline ignites itself with water.  :)
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: alancalverd on 15/11/2022 17:37:15
Spontaneously?

If you throw water onto a good oil or gasoline fire, you will get a very spectacular flame, but it's not water burning. Boiling water disperses the hydrocarbon into a mist, so it burns faster. With a bit of calculation and a simple pump, you can make a really good fuel-air bomb from the stuff in your kitchen - ask your local fire brigade for a demonstration.
Title: Re: What if to inject into gasoline or diesel 2CO + 3H2
Post by: vdblnkr34 on 15/11/2022 21:03:36
If you heat gasoline to 250C it will ignite, because of water and oxygen. If to remove all them, possible to heat gasoline vapors to high temperatures. Internet.