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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Eddie Mars on 21/08/2024 09:20:55

Title: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 21/08/2024 09:20:55
Hi,

One ponders over that question when there's a need to study Bash, a standard Linux shell.

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Stephen Krashen has a theory on Language Acquisition

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James Clavell has a theory in "King Rat" on that too.

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Stephen gives the rationality (events), James gives the feelings.

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It's a bullsh*t question, My Cousin Vinny (1992)


Mona Lisa Vito - Part One

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Mona Lisa Vito - Part Two

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The defense is wrong - Part Three


One can't add scalars and vectors, or can one?!

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When you forget that you are "bilingual"
/one speaks just one language - one's own, it is a behaviour
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/snJoINJfkKg

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Casablanca - What watch?

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fire [faɪər] (one syllable)

Foreigners make two syllables ['fa jər ].

I Teach My 5 Year Old About "Syllables" in a Fun Way!


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The First Edition : Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In)


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Misirlou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misirlou

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Misirlou - Greek Version - Μισιρλού

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Dick Dale - Misirlou (Pulp Fiction) Extended Version

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Cümbüş Cemaat - "Misirlou" - Kanto / Istanbul / Turkey - 16.9.16 - Euro-PA


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Eiichi Kiyooka - Japanese in Thirty Hours [1953, PDF, ENG]

Tokyo, The Hokuseido Press

First edition 1942
Revised edition 1949
Re-revised edition 1953

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_y60BVo0VZJOz0jLJi4VBDslSsQR24pX/view?usp=sharing

The video course on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/user/takineko
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 21/08/2024 14:04:39
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The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
Groucho Marx

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Mathematics, a Human Endeavor A Textbook for Those Who Think They Don't Like the Subject
by Harold R. Jacobs
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g2Sccp-guMlasHNDYx31Bdq1PpvQzavT/view?usp=sharing

page 596 of the book

- What is a tree?

- A tree is a bush that made it.


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That edition of the book misses the parallel lines joke. (at least it is difficult to find)
/no jokes about parallel lines

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Limit of sin(x)/x as x approaches 0 is 1.
/sin(x) and x are measured in [m] or [m/m] (it does not matter)
 

The sine of x is the half of the chord, the x is the half of the arc.
When x approaches 0, 2x approaches 0 as well.

Limit ot (2sin(x))/(2x) as x approaches 0 is 1.



That means that at infinity the cord and the arc are the same.



(1) At infinity a, b, c are strait lines. a and b are parallel, c is perpendicular to them.

(2) At "finity" a and b intersect in a point O and c is the circle.
The arc of c is perpendicular to a and b.
Then the length of the arc of c is the distance between the rays Oa-> and Ob->.


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Dire Straits - Money For Nothing (Official Music Video)


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Dire Straits - Walk Of Life (Official Music Video)

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 23/08/2024 10:07:49
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Portrait of Edward James, Ren? Magritte,1937
https://realitybitesartblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/bite-44-rene-magritte-portrait-of.html

or

An angle of 2 pi


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Oscar Benton Bensonhurst Blues 1973 2011 HQ



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Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 28/08/2024 14:35:52

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"The end" was a little premature.

I appologise.


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Event (a thing);

Name  (a thing) , an encoding in letters, signs, sounds and gestures;

Meaning (a thing), an encoding through things and spaces

and

Feeling (a thing), the state of the observer .

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The Feelings mean that one speaks "one's" language without a doubt.
One does not always understand the logic but one is certain that what one has said is correct.
/grammatically


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Propaganda is about feelings.

One feels somehow - one is emotionally charged that how.

One is a piece of a memory.


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Chris Rea - Auberge


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Dire Straits - Sultans Of Swing (Lyric Video)
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: alancalverd on 28/08/2024 18:31:05
Never mind the other bullshit, but Sultans of Swing has to be the best rock number ever. Closely followed by Love Shack.
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 30/08/2024 16:08:11
Hi,

event - name - meaning - feeling



One can see/"see" events, recognise the patterns and remember the names.

This is the intellectual part.

Feelings are the political part: live or die,

or

go up or down in a hierarchy/(get punished or promoted).



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Learning Languages Ruined My Life

2:23
"Because, you see, after learning a language, if you care enough,
part of you becomes a member of the tribe to which the language belongs.
And that cultural schizophrenia can be truly excruciating. That pain, however, ..."


schizophrenia (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=schizophrenia


The Servant of Two Masters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Servant_of_Two_Masters

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What does it mean that you cannot serve two masters in ...?

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."


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Life and army are great about motivation (feelings/political aspect).

Half of some villages are fluent in British, the other half are fluent in German.
Some work in Britain, some work in Germany.

US Military Techniques to Learn a Language FAST

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How The French Foreign Legion Learns Languages Fast


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Speaking is hard. "Speaking" in one's head is perfect.

Acquire is a slippery word in a language context.
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=aquire


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One needs feelings - one watches British TV.



Jeeves and Wooster S01E01 Jeeves Takes Charge

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Fry and Laurie

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Rowan Atkinson

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John Cleese

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Monty Python

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The Two Ronnies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Ronnies

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The Two Johns, Bird and Fortune

Bremner, Bird and Fortune
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremner%2C_Bird_and_Fortune

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...

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Bird & Fortune - Silly Money - Investment Bankers

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...

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The Two Ronnies Pronunciation Problems

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...


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Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 31/08/2024 07:40:29
Feelings are the political part:

Relativity (one speaks one's language, and according to that ...)

1. One does not want to speak the language of the people which one despises;

2. One does want to speak the language of the people which one admires;

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3. One does not want to speak a language which is close to one's language
/(almost) same words - different meaning, it is irritating,

that is

One does not want to speak another dialect!
 
/A language is a dialect with an army and navy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_language_is_a_dialect_with_an_army_and_navy

/People respect power and love standards, hence lingua franca.

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Bird and Fortune - Iraq
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 03/09/2024 12:30:33
Hi,

Yes Minister - I'm appalled


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event - name - meaning - feeling



John read book



John and the book occupy different places in 0-d.

John is the (in) "1st"/Main/..., the book is (in) the other.


That is the must!

(   direction/order - the mind is built that way   )


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Participles are adjectives which come from a verb.

The verb has two parts (doer and sufferer) - participles/adjectives come in two "flavours"
 - active (doer) and
 - passive (sufferer).


So, there could be (because of that)

past active and past passive,

present active and present passive,

future active and future passive

participles.



suffer (v.)
https://www.etymonline.com/word/suffer#etymonline_v_22311


could
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=could



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Division (mathematics)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_(mathematics)

/don't bother/

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Quotition and partition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotition_and_partition


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dividend

divisor

quotient


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-end
https://affixes.org/alpha/e/-end.html


3rd paragraph, 2nd line
add-end-um (literally ?that which is to be added?)


Present is either General (0-d) or "Normal" (1-d).


dividend is a present passive participle (adjective).
/which becomes a noun

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Oh, those Romans!


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Billions of people speak a human language.
That means the "formula" of the human language has to be simple.


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Math isn't hard, it's a language | Randy Palisoc | TEDxManhattanBeach



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Cheers (1982 - ), Diane Chambers funny moments Part 1 HD


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Midnight Run (1988), Chorizo & Eggs


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It is not a pay off, it is a gift

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 05/09/2024 07:05:28
Hi,

I have made a mistake. I am sorry.

dividend is a present passive participle (adjective).
/which becomes a noun


dividend is the future passive participle (of ...)
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dividend

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-end (soft form of the affix)

-and (hard form of the affix)



-end
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-end#English

-andus
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-andus#Latin


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As George Parr, the investment banker, says

"These things pass my understanding. In fact, it hurts my mind just thinking about it."

"It wasn't (criminal) intentional it was stupidity and incompetence. That's all."



I apologise again.



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Snatch - Avi and Tony



Bullet-Tooth Tony:  A bookie's got blagged last night.

Cousin Avi:            Blagged? Speak English to me, Tony.
                              I thought this country spawned the f*cking language,
                              and so far nobody seems to speak it.


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Snatch - Frankie Four Fingers


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Guy Ritchie talking about ?Snatch? twenty years later

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 15/09/2024 12:00:22
Hi,

There are three i's in Greek:

... ;

... ;

round i (closed, soft - "u").


There isn't letter for [ʊ] in Greek.


ou - Greek [ʊ] (closed, hard)

ae - Latin e

ai - Greek e

ea - broad English e

oa - broad English o

/not to mention -ie, -ei, -ey, -ee, ...


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apple as in

pat /p?t/, flat /fl?t/, ...

or

as [a] like Mary Elizabeth Truss pronounces 'apple'.

How to become a PM by Jim Hacker - Yes Minister | Liz Truss
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 17/09/2024 09:15:46
Hi,

Observer is just a thing made in a particular way.

Cords, pictures, ..., art and culture, ...  Metathesis (linguistics), ...

All this is about how an observer is made as a thing/machine.
/different observers may be built in a different way, may have different "formulas"


On the other hand, consciousnesses is placing things in spaces and flows.


It could be that consciousness depends on how observer has been made

or

not.
/that the "formula" of consciousness has nothing to do with the "formula" of the observer


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Metathesis (linguistics)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metathesis_(linguistics)


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The Gods Must Be Crazy (1980)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8tk2em


57:38
"The funny thing about these gods was that they couldn't speak.
They could only make chattering sounds, like monkeys."

...

58:10
"The hairy one could speak."
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 17/09/2024 10:12:18

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willy-nilly
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=+Willy-nilly

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hobnob (v.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=hob+nob



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Idiocracy - Brawndo : It's got what plants crave!



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Dutch & German dialogue that sounds like English


Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 17/09/2024 10:29:27

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Blade runner - I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Time to die
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 18/09/2024 17:44:40
You cannot serve both God and money.


God means conscience, money means hierarchy.


One dollar to go in, two dollars to go out.
/it is difficult to enter a hierarchy, but it is much difficult to get out of it

/thou shall not doubt (think)

doubt
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=doubt


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One cannot say that one's language is exactly like British.

That would be politics (god forbid).
/army, fleet, territory, culture, ...


"Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

"Come, let?s go down and confuse the people with different languages. Then they won?t be able to understand each other.?

...

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Xi (Gods must be crazy) doubts.
Xi is fee.


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Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 18/09/2024 19:55:43

...

Blondie - Heart Of Glass

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 20/09/2024 15:08:12
Hi,

In general (not to mention a particular language family), a word has a prefix, a root, a suffix, ..., a case ending.

Then the sum of the "meanings" is not equal to the meaning of the "sum" (the word in question).


sum (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=sum


That makes acquiring another language like flying.


How To Fly, by Douglas Adams
http://extremelysmart.com/humor/howtofly.php


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Knowledge is very, very, ... (very) expensive.

To give to another people an alphabet, translated holy books (knowledge) and scientists is
a high, high politics for thousands of years ahead.


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2:31 min.

 - There are a lot of annoying jobs people don't like to do that robots will be doing someday.

 - Listen, talking about annoying jobs, you like dogs, don't you?

 - Yes, sir.

 -  Would you do me a favor? Would you and the robot take care of my dog? I got a lot of things to do, and the dog doesn't like to be alone.

 - Sure.

 - Oh, that's wonderful. Thank you very much.

 - Okay.

 - So I'll see you later.

 - What's this world coming to? It's the second time in two days I've been treated like a kid.

 - What was the other time?

 - Uh, when Dr. Cahill asked me to go to the movies yesterday. He's never done that before.

 - Is that a fact?

 - Does that mean something, Lieutenant?

 - Oh, I don't know, Steve. When people do something for the first time, detectives always get curious.

 - Oh, okay.

 - Uh, Steve, Look, I don't want to impose on you, but if you can make that robot do all those things, you think you can housebreak my dog?

 - Well, Lieutenant, zoology isn't my field, but I'll give it a crack. Come on, boy.
Come on, come over here. MM-7, walk the dog.



Mind Over Mayhem (1974), Boy Genius, Columbo

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 20/09/2024 15:44:10

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Try and Catch Me (1977), Columbo

I Know Who The Murderer Is


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I Was Murdered By Abigail Mitchell


Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 21/09/2024 12:20:37
Hi,



meta-
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=meta-

...

The third, modern, sense, "higher than, transcending, overarching, dealing with the most fundamental matters of," is due to misinterpretation of metaphysics (q.v.) as "science of that which transcends the physical." This has led to a prodigious erroneous extension in modern usage, with meta- affixed to the names of other sciences and disciplines, especially in the academic jargon of literary criticism: Metalanguage (1936) "a language which supplies terms for the analysis of an 'object' language;" metalinguistics (by 1949); metahistory (1957), metacommunication, etc.

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Language is a dress of thought.
Samuel Johnson

/the dress, as everything else, is also a thought


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Starsky & Hutch - meeting Huggy Bear


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Interstate 60: Episodes of the Road (2002), Bob Cody's Every Scene


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Best Kelly-isms | Married With Children


Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 23/09/2024 11:07:08
Hi,

acquire - such a sleazy word



Language is a behaviour, like to be housebroken. Oh no, is it ?

Yes, it is.


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housebroken

The Big Lebowski (1998), the housebroken scene


Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: paul cotter on 23/09/2024 12:14:42
What is the point of all this, other than to waste forum bandwidth?
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 23/09/2024 13:06:48
What is the point of all this, other than to waste forum bandwidth?

You are absolutely right, paul cotter.

Go to work, come from work, watch sitcoms.

There's no reason to waste forum bandwidth.

...
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 03/10/2024 16:50:56

Chris Rea, The Road To Hell (1989), Full Version
2:52 min.


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Chris Rea, Looking For The Summer HD 720

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: paul cotter on 03/10/2024 21:29:08
Waffle.
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 04/10/2024 15:02:35
Hi,

 - How Did You Go Bankrupt?

 - Two Ways. Gradually and Then Suddenly.



The same is true about getting old.


https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/08/06/bankrupt/


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There is nothing more dreadful to an author than neglect; compared with which, reproach, hatred, and opposition, are names of happiness.

Samuel Johnson

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/01/20/spell-name/

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Let the Latin alphabet be presented like this:


b c d f g h j k l m n p q r s t v w x y z

a e i o u


0 - go/ g
1 - Juan/ h
2 - two/ t
3 - dree/ d
4 - four/ f
5 - vife/ v
6 - six/ s
7 - zeven/ z
8 - Kate/ k
9 - nine/ n


$ - bill/ b
@ - cat/ c
- - joint/ j
_ - low/ l
- - minus/ m
^ - power/ p
# - qhash/ q
/ - ratio/ r
~ - wave/ w
* - times/ x
? ! % & ' - why/ y


The numbers and signs get the consonants.

The vowels are reserved.

One can make syllables.


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Let's have the Latin alphabet and the two signs ' and - .

The ' sign stands for a missing vowel (syllable), the - sign connects.

The missing vowel (e) is soft.




Let the odd vowel be stressed (or even)

and

the even vowel be

(e) or (i) / schwa and its soft opposite i /

or

a short vowel.


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You lied to me first, Midnight Run (1988)

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 04/10/2024 16:10:23
...

Faith,

"(You) Got Most Of It." Scene,

Hail, Caesar! (2016)

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 07/10/2024 13:27:51
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There isn't language - there is consciousness at work.

There is "Language" (naming): "British", "German", "French", ...

That is, "Language" is behaving.


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 Wheel of Fortune - SNL


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The Mamas & The Papas - California Dreamin'


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ABBA - Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight)


Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 07/10/2024 15:36:13

. . .

Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up (Official Music Video)
Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 09/10/2024 09:22:38
Hi,

"I am cold."     -     "It is cold (to) me." (Dative case)

English is simplified.



vagabond
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=vagabond

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vagabond



opportunist
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=opportunist

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/opportunist



whom (pron.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=whom


Friends -- Rosses Grammar [whom]


Friends - Joey uses "whom"


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When people speak English but with German grammar




5 Tips to Better Understand the Austrian Dialect



Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 09/10/2024 09:57:01
. . .

Donnie Brasco - Last Call


Lefty
And listen to me, if Donnie calls... , tell him... if it was gonna be anyone, I'm glad it was him. All right?

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 14/10/2024 12:03:15
Hi,

/about Reply #23

Let punctuation marks

  / Quotation Marks
  / Apostrophe
  / Hyphen
  / Brackets
  / Parentheses
  / En Dash
  / Em Dash
  / Ellipsis
  / Comma
  / Colon
  / Semicolon
  / Exclamation Mark/Exclamation Point
  / Question Mark
  / Full Stop/Period

do not take a letter.


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/about Reply #23
Let the odd vowel be stressed (or even)

and

the even vowel be

(e) or (i) / schwa and its soft opposite i /

or

a short vowel.


This is too strong. Let's try the following:

e on an even position can be schwa or broad schwa (long or short);

g is hard, g' is soft;

...



George  -  G'org'

church   -  ch'erch

earth     -  'erth

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/earth

Phonetic (Standard)    -    IPA

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No Biggie, Burn After Reading (2008)


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Dictionary of Simplified American Spelling
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yMB2aAX7MHxa-MFAcdqvWlnHfvZfYiQD/view


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Joey says Whom


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Dharma says Whom

18:56 min.

Dharma & Greg 4x14 - "Educating Dharma (Part II)"



Dharma & Greg 4x13 - "Educating Dharma (Part I)"

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 16/10/2024 15:19:01
Hi,

There are suspicious words in one's "Language":

foreign words;

made up (coined) words;

acid words;

...


moral (adjective, noun)
https://www.etymonline.com/word/moral#etymonline_v_18348

ethics (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/word/moral#etymonline_v_18348

ethic (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/word/ethic

noun, pronoun (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=noun

...


logarithm (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=logarithm


sine (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=sine

sinus (n.)
https://www.etymonline.com/word/sinus


Let's imagine a sector
/a geometric figure bounded by two radii and the included arc of a circle
of about 45 degrees

and

draw the perpendicular from top to bottom.

The right triangle is the POCKET - SINUS ~ JIBA (chord of an arc) ~ JAIB (pocket)

One sees Duck, the Other sees Rabbit.

One sees Chord, the Other see Pocket.

An Angle is a vertex and two rays, OR an Angle is a vertex, two rays AND the interior.

...

(plane) angle is an acid word
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle

In Euclidean geometry, an angle is the figure formed by two rays, called the sides of the angle, sharing a common endpoint, called the vertex of the angle. Angles formed by two rays are also known as plane angles as they lie in the plane that contains the rays.
...

Euclid defines a plane angle as the inclination to each other, in a plane, of two lines that meet each other and do not lie straight with respect to each other. According to the Neoplatonic metaphysician Proclus, an angle must be either a quality, a quantity, or a relationship. The first concept, angle as quality, was used by Eudemus of Rhodes, who regarded an angle as a deviation from a straight line; the second, angle as quantity, by Carpus of Antioch, who regarded it as the interval or space between the intersecting lines; Euclid adopted the third: angle as a relationship.

...



radian (n.) is an acid word
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=radian

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/radian


The word radian is constructed as a Latin adjective.

And is used as a noun in English.

The quality of the radian angle is that its arc length is of 1 radius.


-an
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-an#English

-ane2
https://affixes.org/alpha/a/-ane2.html

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Types of angles:

acute angle;

radian angle;

right angle;

obtuse angle;

strait angle;

reflex angle;

full rotation angle.

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The magnitude of angles are measured in

degrees (the degree (a unit) as a measure),

radians (the radian (a unit) as a measure),

and

radii (radiuses)
/the radius (a unit) as a measure of the length of the arc of the angle




The arc length is a NUMBER times the Radius.

An arc with an arc length of 2 times pi times the radius is called a circle.


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point

strait line

ray

line segment

length of a line segment / distance between two points

distance between a point and a strait line

distance between two parallel strait lines

arc
arc length is a number times the radius
that is, arc length is measured in radii

distance between two rays with common endpoint (vertex)
is
the arc length


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Chaplin Today: Monsieur Verdoux - Full Documentary with Claude Chabrol

Title: Re: How do we acquire language?
Post by: Eddie Mars on 16/10/2024 15:38:46

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Monsieur Verdoux 1947_Scene with Marilyn Nash_2


Monsieur Verdoux 1947_Scene with Marilyn Nash_1


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Charlie Chaplin - Monsieur Verdoux on Trial

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