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Title: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: mxplxxx on 10/09/2024 20:36:22
Here is a discussion I had with the Copilot AI regarding how "Amino Acid " is a misnomer. What do you think?

https://1drv.ms/w/s!AkkAzGDByUeBqJ8emzWrUNUoPOpQNA?e=HN2Kk2
Title: Re: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: paul cotter on 10/09/2024 21:30:28
"Is amino acid a misnomer"? No. However proline is an imino acid.
Title: Re: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: Kryptid on 10/09/2024 21:59:51
Amino acids are not "a type of carbon". Graphite and diamond and both types of carbon, but molecules that contain other elements like nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen are not. They are compounds.

Acids can contain carbon. Take a look at phenol, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenol

If you have a substance, dissolve it in water, and the resulting solution has a pH below 7, then it is an acid. You can get into deeper details than that, like specific kinds of acids like Lewis acids, Bronsted-Lowry acids and Arrhenius acids.

You are simply mistaken.
Title: Re: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: mxplxxx on 10/09/2024 22:31:18
If you have a substance, dissolve it in water, and the resulting solution has a pH below 7, then it is an acid.

In general, the presence of amino acids in water can lead to a slight change in pH, but it won?t drastically turn the water into an acid or a base. Instead, they help to stabilize the pH.
Title: Re: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: mxplxxx on 11/09/2024 04:25:37
Amino acids are not "a type of carbon".
True. Thanks. "Type of Carbon molecule" would have been better. Maybe "Carbon TetraGroup" would have been a better name.
Title: Re: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: mxplxxx on 11/09/2024 04:37:38
Maybe "Carbon TetraGroup" would have been a better name.
Actually, it is a Carbon Atom, not an Ion, so this name is not appropriate.
Title: Re: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: Bored chemist on 11/09/2024 10:35:47
Here is a discussion I had with the Copilot AI regarding how "Amino Acid " is a misnomer. What do you think?

https://1drv.ms/w/s!AkkAzGDByUeBqJ8emzWrUNUoPOpQNA?e=HN2Kk2
I think you should stop wasting copilot's time with nonsense.
It has important things to do like helping students cheat on their homework and drawing bad pictures.

I also think you should learn some science.
Try the Khan academy.
Title: Re: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: Bored chemist on 11/09/2024 10:43:50
s. "Type of Carbon molecule" would have been better.
Without the oxygen, it would be about 10^15 times less acidic.
without the nitrogen and teh oxygen, it would be about 10^30 times les acidic.

And yet, for some reason, you think the carbon is what makes it interesting.
Title: Re: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: alancalverd on 11/09/2024 12:26:34
Your chatbot explained it poerdfectly in the first sentence:

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An amino acid is considered an acid because it contains a carboxyl group (―COOH) that can donate a proton (H⁺) in a solution, which is a characteristic behavior of acids

So what's your problem?

If I was a pedant I'd say it was the characteristic, but chatbots don't like to make positive statements of fact.
Title: Re: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: mxplxxx on 11/09/2024 15:27:34
From the enclosed Copilot discussion:

You

NO! It is NOT an acid as you have Leucinely explained💡Containing a single part as an acid does not make a molecule an acid?

Copilot

I see what you're getting at! You're right that the presence of an acidic group (the carboxyl group) doesn't make the entire molecule an acid in the strictest sense. The term "amino acid" is more about the molecule containing both an amino group and a carboxyl group, rather than the whole molecule being acidic.
Title: Re: Is Amino Acid a misnomer
Post by: alancalverd on 11/09/2024 18:40:00
Rubbish. But what did you expect?