# Naked Science Forum

## On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Raghavendra on 18/01/2009 09:56:43

Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Raghavendra on 18/01/2009 09:56:43
I have the been researching the value of infinity, though i have did calculation on most of the series and binomial theorem i have got correct answer.

Some member named MR Scientist had told joke ? That infinity can be squared and the value will be least the same! That doesn't make any sense.

I am now researching on the value of infinity,
In my first experiment i had got the value of infinity like 0.value, My friend asked to substitute in integration. But the results came worse and again i saw the problem i got the answer something......... that was correct.

I am now trying to solve equation based on e=mc2. If i get success in the value then, i will say the value of infinity.

I am still working on it.

1)Any question can please send i will get u the answer using my infinity value.

Once i proved the theorem then the bigger sum can be done in second !!!

Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 18/01/2009 10:08:55
Huh [???] I don't get it, how can you be near to infinity? [???]
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: lightarrow on 18/01/2009 11:17:35

I have the been researching the value of infinity, though i have did calculation on most of the series and binomial theorem i have got correct answer.

Some member named MR Scientist had told joke ? That infinity can be squared and the value will be least the same! That doesn't make any sense.

I am now researching on the value of infinity,
In my first experiment i had got the value of infinity like 0.value, My friend asked to substitute in integration. But the results came worse and again i saw the problem i got the answer something......... that was correct.

I am now trying to solve equation based on e=mc2. If i get success in the value then, i will say the value of infinity.

I am still working on it.

1)Any question can please send i will get u the answer using my infinity value.

Once i proved the theorem then the bigger sum can be done in second !!!

When you get infinity, tell me; I will add 1 and I'll have a greater value than your...
Regards.
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 18/01/2009 11:23:57
I am now researching on the value of infinity,
Is this guy for real? [???][???][???]
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: lyner on 18/01/2009 18:07:16
Huh [???] I don't get it, how can you be near to infinity? [???]
I think he's Far Out!
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: MonikaS on 18/01/2009 18:23:53
When you get infinity, tell me; I will add 1 and I'll have a greater value than your...
Regards.

I'll square that!
(∞ + 1)2 = ∞
My infinity is bigger than your infinity!

Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: DoctorBeaver on 18/01/2009 19:17:32
When you get infinity, tell me; I will add 1 and I'll have a greater value than your...
Regards.

I'll square that!
(∞ + 1)2 = ∞
My infinity is bigger than your infinity!

So size does matter!  [:D]
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/01/2009 19:50:22
Which infinity are we talking about here?
Is it the infinite set that contaoins all the integers or is it the rather larger infinite set that contains all the irrationals as well?
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: lightarrow on 18/01/2009 20:44:51
When you get infinity, tell me; I will add 1 and I'll have a greater value than your...
Regards.

I'll square that!
(∞ + 1)2 = ∞
My infinity is bigger than your infinity!

No because, by definition, my infinity is generated by adding one to every other infinity. I always beat your by 1... [:)]
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: MonikaS on 18/01/2009 20:45:20
When you get infinity, tell me; I will add 1 and I'll have a greater value than your...
Regards.

I'll square that!
(∞ + 1)2 = ∞
My infinity is bigger than your infinity!

So size does matter!  [:D]

Infinitely so! [:D]
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: MonikaS on 18/01/2009 20:46:40
When you get infinity, tell me; I will add 1 and I'll have a greater value than your...
Regards.

I'll square that!
(∞ + 1)2 = ∞
My infinity is bigger than your infinity!

No because, by definition, my infinity is generated by adding one to every other infinity. I always beat your by 1... [:)]

Dang nabbit! I have been out infinitied!
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 19/01/2009 08:45:28
How long have you been doing this?
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Raghavendra on 19/01/2009 08:54:51
2 months
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 19/01/2009 08:58:55
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Raghavendra on 19/01/2009 09:10:47
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Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: LeeE on 19/01/2009 17:05:21
Well, as all the biggest infinities have been claimed, I'm going to divide 1 by your biggest infinities to get the smallest infinity.

And I'm prepared to divide that by infinity too, if necessary  [;D]
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: lyner on 19/01/2009 21:03:34
2 months
After 20 yrs you might have some good ideas.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: lightarrow on 19/01/2009 21:43:28
2 months
After 20 yrs you might have some good ideas.
Pessimist! I'm sure that 19.5 yrs would be more than enough  [;)]
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Gigacore on 28/02/2009 14:20:10
The OP needs to get some life!!

What a way to start participating in this forum. He really made my day!

@sophiecentaur: He takes infinite days to find the value of infinity! ROFL!
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: lyner on 28/02/2009 14:46:12
Where ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Damo the Optics Monkey on 28/02/2009 15:27:30
hmmmm I onder if he will do a divide by zero thread....
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: ScientificBoysClub on 02/03/2009 04:21:39
This is the correct answer :

Well If u say that you have found a value before infinity it's meaningful if it's viewed in my way !!

-∞............................0..............................+∞

In the above case no matter any value which  u found before or after ∞ ....... You will always get a mid point in that series !!

No matter any value  0 or 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 .... or -3 or any value it will be always Mid point of infinite series ... GOT IT

Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 02/03/2009 06:39:51
I haven't GOT IT [???][???][???]
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: ScientificBoysClub on 02/03/2009 08:58:13
I haven't GOT IT [???][???][???]

well u should know concept of infinity
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 02/03/2009 09:03:43
Nope.
Why don't you explain it to me? [:)]
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Damo the Optics Monkey on 02/03/2009 09:09:23
Nope.
Why don't you explain it to me? [:)]

ditto
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: ScientificBoysClub on 02/03/2009 09:15:01
Nope.
Why don't you explain it to me? [:)]

Well well ok !! .... infinity is unlimited numbers !! right in unlimited if u pick up a number ... it will be always a mid point cos we can consider it as mid point when the condition is infinity !! hahhha GOT IT ??
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: ScientificBoysClub on 02/03/2009 09:15:17
Nope.
Why don't you explain it to me? [:)]

ditto

Well well ok !! .... infinity is unlimited numbers !! right in unlimited if u pick up a number ... it will be always a mid point cos we can consider it as mid point when the condition is infinity !! hahhha GOT IT ??
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 02/03/2009 09:18:25
What are you trying to say?
That infinity is not infinitely infinite?
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: ScientificBoysClub on 02/03/2009 09:22:37
What are you trying to say?
That infinity is not infinitely infinite?

if a number is unlimited 12345678990.............................................................................................. to infinity u can consider any point as mid point !! GOT IT >>???
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 02/03/2009 09:24:20
Well yes, I get that.
But what happened to the concept of infinity? [:)] I thought you were going to explain it. [???]
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: ScientificBoysClub on 02/03/2009 09:27:23
Well yes, I get that.
But what happened to the concept of infinity? [:)] I thought you were going to explain it. [???]
this is the concept !! GOT IT lol ... oh common dude ... concept is
if u r taking any  point in infinity it will be always a midpoint no matter what !??! this is the theory  ........ in math !!
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 02/03/2009 09:29:20
Alright! I get it. I was just pulling your leg [:)]
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Damo the Optics Monkey on 02/03/2009 09:30:34
dividing by zero is a lot more fun.... hmmm infinity divided by zero... bwahahaahhaha
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Chemistry4me on 02/03/2009 09:34:30
dividing by zero is a lot more fun....
Infinitely so!
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: syhprum on 02/03/2009 16:31:13
Have you ever considered selecting one particular member of the ScientificBoysClub for the LHC proton beam experiment ?
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Raghavendra on 21/11/2009 09:41:42
no ...
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Mr. Scientist on 21/11/2009 12:11:56
Ininfities... an infinitely hard concept to grasp, from any level of expertize.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: litespeed on 21/11/2009 17:50:15
Infinity is not a number. I don't know what it is, but I know if I add one cantalope to a thousand watermellons, I still have a thousand watermellons.....
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Mr. Scientist on 21/11/2009 18:02:17
They say that mathematics is an abstract. But if the general math we work with today is so abstractual, then we know nothing really, as when it comes down to it, singularities are a nightmare, and yet the closest thing to God.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: LeeE on 21/11/2009 18:04:36
I think you can only properly regard infinity as a dynamic number i.e. time, in the sense of before and after, is an intrinsic factor, but this means you can't really use it in static equations and make much sense.

For example, the static equation 1 + 1 = 2 is always true...

but if you try to use infinity in such an equation...

∞ + 1 = ∞

therefore ∞ - ∞ = 1

which leaves us with 0 = 1
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Mr. Scientist on 21/11/2009 18:08:09
I think you can only properly regard infinity as a dynamic number i.e. time, in the sense of before and after, is an intrinsic factor, but this means you can't really use it in static equations and make much sense.

For example, the static equation 1 + 1 = 2 is always true...

but if you try to use infinity in such an equation...

∞ + 1 = ∞

therefore ∞ - ∞ = 1

which leaves us with 0 = 1

That is a mathematical fallacy.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: lightarrow on 21/11/2009 18:59:29
I think you can only properly regard infinity as a dynamic number i.e. time, in the sense of before and after, is an intrinsic factor, but this means you can't really use it in static equations and make much sense.

For example, the static equation 1 + 1 = 2 is always true...

but if you try to use infinity in such an equation...

∞ + 1 = ∞

therefore ∞ - ∞ = 1

which leaves us with 0 = 1

That is a mathematical fallacy.
Can you show why?
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Geezer on 21/11/2009 21:08:53
That is a mathematical fallacy.

I think that was LeeE's point. You can't do math with infinity. It has no value!  [;D]

(It may also be "pointless". --- OK! OK! No need to push. I was just about to leave anyway.)
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Mr. Scientist on 22/11/2009 02:39:13
I think you can only properly regard infinity as a dynamic number i.e. time, in the sense of before and after, is an intrinsic factor, but this means you can't really use it in static equations and make much sense.

For example, the static equation 1 + 1 = 2 is always true...

but if you try to use infinity in such an equation...

∞ + 1 = ∞

therefore ∞ - ∞ = 1

which leaves us with 0 = 1

That is a mathematical fallacy.
Can you show why?

Of course i can.

I'll prove the infinity part to be completely irrelevent by showing the reduction 0=1 is of absurdum:

let x=1

Take the derivative of both sides which inexorably yields:

d/dx(x)=d/dx(1)

so naturally one would expect 1=0 as a solution, but the fallacy lies in treating x as a variable which can change over some given time. That in a nutshell disproves the entire theory.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: LeeE on 22/11/2009 12:21:10
I can't see what you've proved at all there.

Of course the reduction to 0 = 1 is absurd.  That was the point.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Mr. Scientist on 23/11/2009 00:16:15
I can't see what you've proved at all there.

Of course the reduction to 0 = 1 is absurd.  That was the point.

Yes, that point was made for you. I thought you intended it was correct. I was wrong in this case, and apologize.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Mr. Scientist on 23/11/2009 00:19:04
But it might interest many here to know, that this type of rigor has been violated early on in physics history. I can't remember who exactly, but many scientists (who's theories today) hold had messed about using concepts like ∞ - ∞ = 1.

It's not so much that they are fallacies, but more of an indication that the equations derived are not complete.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: lightarrow on 23/11/2009 11:54:57

Of course i can.

I'll prove the infinity part to be completely irrelevent by showing the reduction 0=1 is of absurdum:

let x=1

Take the derivative of both sides which inexorably yields:

d/dx(x)=d/dx(1)

so naturally one would expect 1=0 as a solution, but the fallacy lies in treating x as a variable which can change over some given time. That in a nutshell disproves the entire theory.
No the fallacy is in this: from ∞ + 1 = ∞ (which is true) you cannot deduce that ∞ - ∞ = 1 because you are not allowd to sum or subtract infinite from both sides of an equation; you can do that only with *finite* numbers.
Example:

2 = 2 but: 2 + x ≠ 2 + x2

if x --> +∞ in the last equation, you have 2 + ∞ ≠ 2 + ∞.

Said in another way: infinite is not a number, it can actually "have" an arbitrary value, so from 2 = 2 it doesn't follow that 2 + ∞ = 2 + ∞.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: way12go on 23/11/2009 12:28:30
Infinity means not finite and it means infinity can't be a number. There are infinite numbers but when it comes to existence number of apples can't be infinite. Infinite is just the opposite of finite and any number is finite but never infinite. For more information please visit my blog
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Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Geezer on 23/11/2009 19:56:48
It's not in Spamish is it?
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Dimi on 23/11/2009 22:06:35
infinity does not exist :( (Thats how strong its existance is :P)

Circle has no start nor no end (Ok when you draw it or rub out a small section blabla) - nothing can join in on the loop, nor can the loop go out.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: variationz on 26/11/2009 04:22:25
Here is the answer you have been looking for...
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=26911.0
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Mr. Scientist on 27/11/2009 20:14:09
I have the been researching the value of infinity, though i have did calculation on most of the series and binomial theorem i have got correct answer.

Some member named MR Scientist had told joke ? That infinity can be squared and the value will be least the same! That doesn't make any sense.

I am now researching on the value of infinity,
In my first experiment i had got the value of infinity like 0.value, My friend asked to substitute in integration. But the results came worse and again i saw the problem i got the answer something......... that was correct.

I am now trying to solve equation based on e=mc2. If i get success in the value then, i will say the value of infinity.

I am still working on it.

1)Any question can please send i will get u the answer using my infinity value.

Once i proved the theorem then the bigger sum can be done in second !!!

There are different infinities... some can be larger due to the fantastic work of cardinals and ordinals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity

But i wasn't joking. If someone cannot specify a certain amount of something or of infinity rather, then you may as well sqaure it and you have no more of an infinity than you began with, without the definitions given in the link.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: variationz on 04/09/2010 11:51:24
XY=1
If 1=0 God exists otherwise God can't exist. For all X, Y takes a different value, such that XY=1. If we draw a graph for all values of X and Y we get Rectangular Hyperbola and we can clearly observe that both X and Y can never be ZERO, therefore GOD(S) can't exist.If 1 can come out of 0 it means creation ( by GOD ) and if 1 can become 0 then it means destruction ( by GOD ). XY=1 supplies as means to understand that 1 is not equal to 0 and it means absence of GOD. The only GOD is life. We are GODS. Our parents are GODS.
XY=1 is a means to understand why X and Y can't be zero. Weather it is a unit area of a rectangle or rectangular hyperbola... it doesn't matter until you see the connection. All we have to do is obtain the possible values of X and Y such that XY=1....and X and Y can never be equal to zero. If X or Y equals to zero then we get 1=0 which is??? Still want me to connect the dots? This is the big picture...the big picture is neither X nor Y can ever be equal to zero. That answers all the questions... X never becomes 0 and the same goes with Y. This means that the so called creation and destruction are simply impossible. In my theory there are eleven postulates and only one [[[ velocity of light is relative ]]] postulate is not connected to XY=1. All the other TEN POSTULATES are interconnected. The only thing you have to understand is the possibilities of XY=1 and what else it can mean.
1. Zero can not exist as denominator.
2. Anything can not be created out of nothingness, only change of form is possible and change is everywhere.
3. Anything can not be destroyed into nothingness, only change of form is possible and change is everywhere.
4. Existence of anything can not be infinite.
5. There is no beginning and an end to the existence of the World.
6. There are finite absolute laws.
7. Velocity of light is relative.
8. There are three dimensions and three dimensions only.
9. Time Travel is impossible.
10. Tan 90 can not exist.
11. God(s) can not exist.
.....CONNECTING THE DOTS.....
FIRST POSTULATE:
1. Zero can not exist as denominator.
If X can't be zero...
If Y can't be zero...
1/0 can't equal anything. Hence proved.
SECOND POSTULATE:
2. Anything can not be created out of nothingness.
If 1 can't become zero...
If 0 can't become one...
Creation? ( change related creation? or total creation? )
Destruction? ( change related destruction? or total destruction? )
If creation and destruction ( not related to change of form ) are possible then there is no reason why it can't happen NOW???!!!
All rules will fail if CREATION and DESTRUCTION are possible.
1=0 becomes the only rule...all other rules will fail.
The only rule with
1=0 ( If accepted )
is anything equals anything.
Proton=Electron=Neutron=Quark=Meson...etc;
Anything can't equal anything else.
ONE can't be equal to ZERO.
All other postulates are hence proved.
Fundamental theory of existence.

God(s) can not exist.Space can not be infinite and it is timeless.There is no beginning and an end to the existence of the World.Numbers are infinite but number of apples (existence) can not be infinite.....
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: JP on 04/09/2010 12:55:52
This has veered far from discussing any mainstream Physics, Astronomy and Cosmology topic, so I've moved the thread.  If anyone has a good reason why it should be moved back, I'm open to hearing it.  Feel free to PM me.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Murchie85 on 04/09/2010 16:55:00
I think personally that infinity is just a concept and can never fully be described in the terms of numbers or possibly mathematics.
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: tommya300 on 04/09/2010 18:07:35
If infinity is discovered and defined, what is left to discuss? The reciprocal?
Anyway this thread displays a number of resources. The good portion of this forum's members that has not been seen for a year. Hi to ya all 2009 posts!
I can not see anything more than that here JP
Title: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: kenhikage on 14/09/2010 16:07:09
So the Indians were the first to use 0 in math. Who were the first to use ∞?
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: Kakahi\$0 on 24/11/2014 21:21:31
Hi

I once also tried working it out, but with my limited knowledge in the field of mathematics, I'm not sure whether my proof made complete sense if any. Please check it out:

Here is the following proof for infinity:

1+1+1+1+1+...= ∞
4(1+1+1+1+1+...)=4(∞)

Therefore 4+4+4+4+4+...=4∞ - (I call this equation S1)

1-1+1-1+1-1+...=1/2 →(This equation has been proven by legit mathematicians on YouTube. I'm just using it.)
4(1-1+1-1+1-1+...)=4(1/2)

Therefore 4-4+4-4+4-4+...=2 - (I call this equation S2)

S1-S2= 4+4+4+4+4+...
-(4-4+4-4+4-...)

=0+8+0+8+0+8...
=8+8+8+8+8+8...=8∞ - (I call this equation S3)

S1-S2=S3, Therefore:

4∞-2=8∞
4∞=-2

Therefore... ∞= -1/2

Thanks if you bothered reading and please tell me what u think[?] [?] [?]
Title: Re: Have I calculated the value of infinity?
Post by: PmbPhy on 25/11/2014 20:01:19
I have the been researching the value of infinity, though i have did calculation on most of the series and binomial theorem i have got correct answer.

Some member named MR Scientist had told joke ? That infinity can be squared and the value will be least the same! That doesn't make any sense.

I am now researching on the value of infinity,
In my first experiment i had got the value of infinity like 0.value, My friend asked to substitute in integration. But the results came worse and again i saw the problem i got the answer something......... that was correct.

I am now trying to solve equation based on e=mc2. If i get success in the value then, i will say the value of infinity.

I am still working on it.

1)Any question can please send i will get u the answer using my infinity value.

Once i proved the theorem then the bigger sum can be done in second !!!