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Title: Can anyone recommend any insomnia support groups?
Post by: adriana on 20/04/2005 15:02:56
hi...i just wondered if anyone knew of any insomnia support groups in london, where i could maybe meet up with people in person and just talk about sleeplessness over a coffee - or maybe some alcohol!
any ideas or contacts would be appreciated.
thanks,
adriana
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: chris on 20/04/2005 17:55:52
Neil, on here, is our professional insomniac. Maybe you should chat to him, here !

Chris

"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
 - Groucho Marx
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: adriana on 22/04/2005 14:53:14
Thanks!  I dropped him an email so hopefully he'll reply.  If you know of any other London insomniacs, it would be great to get in touch.
Thanks,
Adriana
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 22/04/2005 16:55:50
Hi Adriana (yawn )....I never received your email, though I may have inadvertently deleted it...sorry about that, would you mind forwarding  it to me again ?
Though, I must say I've never been involved in a support group , though over the years I have seen a few therapists and had group therapy. My latest attempt was Cognitive Behavioural Therapy which I tried for 6 months, and, well....*sigh* it was a dismal failure. The object was to retrain my body to get used to a routine, but in reality, it made my life a living nightmare, as I was getting up at the some silly hour every day but not falling asleep as intended. If you drop me a line I'll go into more detail if you wish, but for me, it did not work...However, I understand it is a tried and tested method with a high rate of success.

In my case, I've been like this for 34 years now, and over the years have been the subject of sleeping studies and various techniques...... Still, this is not really answering your initial enquiry is it ?

One would think there must be some 'bodies' out there that offer support. When I get back in later I will try and do some research for you...in the meantime....email me, perhaps we can chat, I'd be pleased to meet some time, I live in North London with wifey and three Kids (fourth on the way !!)...Well, when you're awake as much as I am, what else is there to do except make kids  ?....

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Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 22/04/2005 20:57:17
well....I'm exasperated !!..I thought there may be a group out there, but all I could find was plenty of advice and support for depression..........oh...I did find one group  here (http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/Isomnia_UK/) but, it's only got four members and it's been active since Nov 2003...*sigh*...

Adriana, how long have you had this ? what's a typical night like ?

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Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 22/04/2005 23:39:39
quote:
Originally posted by chris

Neil, on here, is our professional insomniac. Maybe you should chat to him, here !

Chris

"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
 - Groucho Marx



It would be great if such a profession really existed, ho hum !!

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Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Andrew K Fletcher on 01/05/2005 11:43:45
Adriana

Have you considered that your body might be rejecting horizontal sleep, and that you may be aware subconciously that sleeping horizontal might be the reason you are not letting go and sleeping?

Place two six inch / 15 cm blocks under the bed base at the head end and if your bed joins in the middle (divan)you will need to support the join with 2 3 inch blocks and remove the castors from the bottom end of the bed.

Let us know how you get on if you decide to try it.   first two weeks seem a bt strange, you may develop a slight temporary stiffening feeling in the neck, But you will sleep, believe me :)

"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."
K.I.S. "Keep it simple!"
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Detour on 29/05/2005 11:57:48
Andrew, that sounds like an interesting solution.  I've heard what seems like a bazillion cures for insomnia over the years and that's the first I've heard this one.  What makes it work?  What's the story behind this?
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Andrew K Fletcher on 29/05/2005 20:11:00
Detour

Its a long long story, but relates to another thread about how gravity lifts water in trees, on another thread. Sleeping on a flat bed is something humans have adopted at some point. Only a short period ago, beds measured 4' 6" in the U.K. Because people were sleeping sitting up. I believe this was a result of the sweating sickness that killed many people of that time. They found that going to bed, often meant, never waking up again. So they found a comprimise and slept sitting up. The ancient Egyptians also had beds inclined by six inches at the head end.

Cattle and sheep in a field with a hillside, will all sleep facing up the hill. Apes and monkeys seldom sleep flat. People camping out under canvas find that they feel warmer with the tent pitched on an angle rather than flat!

My guess is you are not listening to what your body is telling you. Maybe you are more aware of the dangers of flat beds than your care to believe?

Anyway, it's simple to test and don't cost anything, so give it a try and come back and tell neil how you got on :)

Andrew

"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."
K.I.S. "Keep it simple!"
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Detour on 30/05/2005 02:58:05
Thanks for the answer Andrew.  I may try it and if I do I'll let you know.  I clicked around a bit and didn't find the other thread you mention.  Would you mind pointing me to it?

I don't know if this would be a solution for me really.  I've given as many excuses as I've heard cures over the years, but frankly, it boils down to the fact that I don't like to sleep.  There are too many other things I'd rather be doing.  Since I don't sleep all that much I am interested in things that make what sleep I do get better, so I may try this one.
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Detour on 30/05/2005 12:50:58
Nevermind, I think I found it. :)
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Andrew K Fletcher on 31/05/2005 16:23:31
quote:
Originally posted by Detour

Nevermind, I think I found it. :)



first two weeks feels a bit strange, you might get a stiff neck, some don't, but this will pass in a short while.

Have you ever noticed that some old people are bent over, was that the position they slept in on a flat bed?

Your heart rate will decrease by ten to twelve beats per minute, your respiration rate will decrease by four to five breaths per minute. The bed will feel more comfortable because your weight is distributed differenly, you will feel a slight stretching of the spine, your circulation will improve, and you will definately feel warmer in bed. No more cold hands and feet :) If you stay with it for longer than 4 months, there will be other benefits, like a general feeling of well being, more energy, less aches and pains, increased muscular firmness, particularly in the legs and arms, you will dream less and become much more relaxed, you will have less respiratory problems, like bronchitus and fight off colds easier, more labido, improved eyesight, varicose veins will vanish or at least shrink down to the level of your skin, urine will become stronger and smell stronger as more waste is removed from your system.  And No this is not just guesswork :)

 My bed has been tilted since 1994!
Andrew


"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."
K.I.S. "Keep it simple!"
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: OhhWendy on 01/10/2005 17:23:16
hi...i just wondered if anyone knew of any insomnia support groups in london, where i could maybe meet up with people in person and just talk about sleeplessness over a coffee - or maybe some alcohol!
any ideas or contacts would be appreciated.
thanks,
adriana

THATS FUNNY ADRIANA!

Coffee doesnt help me sleep and alcohol makes my clothes fall off.
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 01/10/2005 19:03:19
quote:
Originally posted by OhhWendy

hi...i just wondered if anyone knew of any insomnia support groups in london, where i could maybe meet up with people in person and just talk about sleeplessness over a coffee - or maybe some alcohol!
any ideas or contacts would be appreciated.
thanks,
adriana

THATS FUNNY ADRIANA!

Coffee doesnt help me sleep and alcohol makes my clothes fall off.



Wendy, are you planning a trip to the UK ?

Hang On !!!...I see what you've done, you're doing a quotey thing from the first post..Wendy, when you want to respond quoting another persons post you have to click the third button from the right across the top of the persons post you're responding to, like I have just done with you !!

Shucks !!..and there was thinking me and you could start our own support group [:)]

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Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: NLJB on 03/10/2005 02:41:27
quote:
Originally posted by Andrew K Fletcher
Have you ever noticed that some old people are bent over, was that the position they slept in on a flat bed?




The hunching over is from the fratures in the vertabrae caused by osteoprosis. Although in some cases (this by the way is not at all proven) could possibly be caused by sleeping on a flat bed. However, you said that human's have adapted to sleeping like this, so it wouldn't cause abnormaility, or do you mean some people are not adapted as well as others so sleeping flat affects them more than others, or do you mean we didn't adapt completly or we adapted abnormaly?  Please clarify.


-"I don't mind if you shoot me, just don't tell me"- Bob Dylan
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 03/10/2005 04:07:27
ZZZZZZZZZZ !!..I need support,... been awake about 40 hrs now...it's a little tricky to type, things are a little askew in perspective, getting the ' irritated ' phase now....takes much too long to type anything (I said that already didn't I ?)...soo many mistakes that need correcting!!..going to try and get some kip....night all !



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Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Andrew K Fletcher on 03/10/2005 08:54:01
What I am saying is no matter how many years we sleep flat, the only adaptation to sleeping flat is that we will develop osteoporosis, neurological and age related conditions, muscular atrophy, sleep related problems, poor immune related responses to bugs, bulging varicose veins, glaucoma, diabetese, heart conditions, and eventual death.

My research over many years has shown that these conditions can be reversed by refraining from sleeping flat and adopting a slight head up incline on the bed.

A nurse, responsible for visiting many of the rest homes in the torbay area made an astonishing statement, following a massive improvement to her varicosed veins after she tilted her bed as suggested. She stated; 'This has now enlightened me to the fact that all of the people in the homes that live to be well over 80 years refuse to sleep flat and often sleep in an inclined position, propped up by several pillows or sleeping in an inclined chair.

On the other hand, all of the people that pass away quickly in the homes, sleep for long periods in the horizontal position'.

This is backed up by a massive amount of research on the Internet and at pubmed. Horizontal sleep is harmful!

quote:
Originally posted by NLJB

quote:
Originally posted by Andrew K Fletcher
Have you ever noticed that some old people are bent over, was that the position they slept in on a flat bed?




The hunching over is from the fratures in the vertabrae caused by osteoprosis. Although in some cases (this by the way is not at all proven) could possibly be caused by sleeping on a flat bed. However, you said that human's have adapted to sleeping like this, so it wouldn't cause abnormaility, or do you mean some people are not adapted as well as others so sleeping flat affects them more than others, or do you mean we didn't adapt completly or we adapted abnormaly?  Please clarify.


-"I don't mind if you shoot me, just don't tell me"- Bob Dylan



"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."
K.I.S. "Keep it simple!"
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: AlphBravo on 04/10/2005 00:54:12
Funny set of posts, I suppose the old Valium (pharmacopia) does not do the trick?
What about a breathing method? I trained myself to sleep, anywhere anytime - almost!
(even real 4 wheel driving)
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/10/2005 07:01:09
07:00....Yawn !!..not much point in my going to bed now.......ho hum !

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Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Fernando McFace on 13/10/2005 12:02:57
Hi! Does anyone know of any insomnia groups? Either online or based in England?

I am very interested in Insomnia and as a sufferer of transient insomnia myself, i want to find out more about insomnia in general.

I am also interested in making my university radio project about it, so if anyone if interested, please email me at: sammonigh@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: David McDaid on 21/10/2005 15:31:03
Hello everyone

my name is david mcdaid and I am a postgraduate student in journalism studies at the university of strathclyde in glasgow, scotland.

I am writing a feature article on insomnia and how it affects the people who sufferer from it as well as those close to them.

I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to share their experiences with me?

I am writing primarily for a piece of course work, and your anonymity will be respected - although a pen name, location, at least would be nice.

Here are the kinds of thing i'd like to hear about what life is like as an insomniac -
- how long have you suffered from insomnia?
- how little do you sleep and how does it leave you feeling?
- how do you spend your sleepless nights?
- what have you tried to alleviate your insomnia?
- how has insomnia impacted upon your life regards work ?
- did you know that some of the most famous names in history were also insomniacs? Da vinci, van gogh, winston churchill?
- in britain there was a tv show that encouraged contestants to stay awake for one week to win approx $200 000 - how does this make you feel as a real insomniac?

I would be so grateful to any anyone out there who can help.

My e-mail address is deivi79@hotmail.Com

many thanks

david mcdaid
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: wedbear on 02/11/2005 08:55:27
Hi, my name is Ben and i am 24 years old.

For 2 years i have suffered with restless nights, body aches and stiff necks which are all related to the first one being sleepless nights.

Conventional practises dodnt really work for me, and i havent heard of any support groups near where i am from either.

But there is a product that works for me, helping me sleep and stops my aches and pains too. Its some kind of health pad that you wear when you sleep at night time they are called Kinohimitsu Health Pads, they have a website with loads of information on it where you can purchase the pads aswell, www.kinohimitsu.co.uk since i have been using them i have slept so much more better and i actually feel good and alive for the first time in ages.

If anybody does know of any suppoort groups for insomnia or anxiety in the south east of england Let me know. cheers all
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: plaidlumberjack on 26/11/2005 08:45:17
[|)] hey people. Another long time insomniac here, has anyonelse found that they search for a group of insomniacs in their area or atleast a 24 coffee house or someplace to hangout all night and there's absolutely nothing... I mean, no groups, no people, no places... were not that rare are we?!?!? arg... i lost my night group of people a few years ago and i'm going insane from bordem, i've gotten too good at video games since... [|)]
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 27/11/2005 04:27:14
Hi Ben, Hi Aaron........Unfortunatley there are no support groups for Insomniacs in the UK. I have spoken to a few people who have researched it recently,including David (three posts up),  and it seems if there are some then they are very well hidden.

It looks like the lack of a support network is not just constrained to the UK eh Aaron ?

It's amazing how little credence is given to the anguish and distress that Insomniacs tolerate. It just doesn't seem to be seen as serious enough, and my experience over the years confirms this attitude. I tend to get things said like "Oh, it's alright for Neil, he's up all night " or "you should have no problem seeing as you're awake all night"...pisses me off !!...I'd like to see them stay up all night, every single night !...with a smile on their face !

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Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: plaidlumberjack on 28/11/2005 19:08:34
Ya, it seems we are the forgotten crazy people here :P, i wasent looking for a support group per say, but more of someone or somewhere to hang out at in the middle of the night so i dont go insane from mental atrophy, or mabye that is an insomniacs support group eh?

so far all i've found late at night is rave's and the random horror film fest. and i dont like raves.... oh well. at least we can work double jobs eh? *sigh* so it's no better for you uk'ers than it is for us canadians...

I just wish calgary HAD A nighT LifE! anyways here's pulling for you guys.
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: DoctorBeaver on 03/12/2005 04:11:11
I went to a presentation on insomnia a few weeks ago but it was so boring I fell asleep half way through [:D]
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 03/12/2005 04:44:14
Oh HA HA HA !!! [:D]..Thanks a bunch ! [;)]

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Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: DoctorBeaver on 03/12/2005 13:00:39
Sorry [V]
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/12/2005 06:28:24
quote:
Originally posted by DoctorBeaver

Sorry [V]



Thats ok [:D]

*sigh* nearly 6:30am....oh joy !

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Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 10/01/2006 18:09:01
have to stop myself from ****ing shouting at everybody...have to ****ing bite my ****ing tongue.

What ****ing day is it anyway ?...ok...it's Tuesday...been up since Sunday 3am.........**** !!...(sorry.....actually..I'm really sorry for the cursing...the last thing I would ever want to do is cause offence..)

Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Desert_Rose on 11/01/2006 02:33:41
Not to worry, Neil, that's my husbands normal form of communication with me 5 days a week.
***Neil, it's time to seek a specialists help!  I just read on another thread that you've been this way since you were 4 years old***
Have someone help you find a Sleep Disorders Specialist! Do this sooner rather than later!  Growl at me now--you will thank me later!
Joanne
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 11/01/2006 02:59:10
Thanks Joanne...you're very kind.

I have through out the years been seen by a variety of specialists..I've done a few sleep studies at various sleep disorders clinics.. have been hooked up to a bunch of wires...had various therapies from psycotherapy to Congitive Behavioural Therapy...tried many diets and changes of way of life...and of course sleeping pills !...ahhh...Nitrazepam !...my dear old friend !!...I only take some when I really need it....haven't had any for weeks now and unless I absolutely require forced sleep I rarely take it at all...I have grown accustomed to this way of life. I don't for that to mean that I have got used to it so much that it has become a habit..no no...I mean I have accepted that this is the way it is for me...I really have no choice...been doing it for 36 years !!...I can't actually imagine going to bed at 11pm , then sleeping till 6 or 7.....what a bizarre concept !!

However...It just so happens that I am indeed scheduled for another sleep study in a couple of months time...oh joy !!...Thanks again Joanne....

Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 11/01/2006 04:17:51
Hi Neil - I am curious.  When you finally do get to sleep, is it more of a fall or a crash?  Do you sleep for hours or days?  And do you get sick of answering insomnia questions?  24 hours is probably the longest I've stayed awake, and it feels like I'll never catch up on the sleep I've missed. I also am very grouchy when I do get up.  Grouchy is my word, B----h is more likely the word my family would use.

Carolyn
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 11/01/2006 17:03:25
Hi Carolyn,

Thanks for asking

I don't personally get sick talking ' insomnia '  I see it as therapy!..Though others may get sick of me mentioning it !!.To answer your question though, when i finally get to sleep it's very very very rarely longer than a couple of hours,,,even after a long period of being awake...if i'm lucky. I will fall asleep again for another couple of hours.

It's debateable as to whether one needs extra sleep relative to the length of time you have been awake...i think it used to be generally considered that despite the amount of wake time , one would always just need your usual amount of sleep to recover. I think it's right down the middle !...i have seen people sleep for a few extra hours in which it seems that the body is recuperating….others…like myself, just sleep the same old tiny amount,. It’s worth noting that having too much sleep can make you feel really awful too.

Personally, I’m a very light sleeper. and even after prolonged periods of being awake..i can be woken very easily.

This last period was a particularly long period for me (53 hours !!)..I recall noticing the time at 6am this morning then the next thing I knew it was 7am…then it was 9.

I hope you manage to find your pattern again Carolyn.


Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Desert_Rose on 12/01/2006 23:21:12
Neil,
my husband who has “missing mate insomnia” brought this up....(when I don’t go to bed at the same time he does), here’s what he suggested.  

This is non-sexual-sorry.

It’s best to have your hunny bunny available for this the first time.  
1) Laying in bed, with her head under your "wing", and on your chest, in a 1 sided embrace...
2) Corral all your focus, concentration and attention to this....your eyes closed.
3) Picture your hunny’s hair.  By individual hair folicle....
   The texture, is it fine, medium, coarse?  Soft? Softer?  Brittle, in curlers? (egad!)
   The color is it the same color as the rest, lighter or darker?
   Then count it as 1
   The next strand
      texture
      color
      count as 2
      repeat....(my hubby gets to about 25)
Your mind will not have a challenge keeping count because you are using all your mental forces for this very important query....Right?

keep going, you will either bore your mind into giving up and letting you sleep
Or
you will have a good appreciation for your hunny’s hair.
Or
Both

Hunny should feel free to move away soon after you slip into Dreamyland....ZZZZZzzzzzzz!

Good Luck
Joanne
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/01/2006 00:06:16
Thanks Joanne,

Gosh !!..I just have to try and get to grips with the concept of going to bed the same time as wifey !

It's seems like it's based on the premise of the Cognitive Behavioural Therapy I had where I literally was supposed to bore myself so much that my brain would close down and sleep...but this sounds far nicer and pleasanter a task.

I will most certainly give it a try and will report back...THANK YOU.

Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 13/01/2006 03:44:10
Hi Joanne - I'm going to try that when hubby gets back in town.  He's off on ANOTHER hunting trip.  That sounds very similiar to what I do to get rid of hickups, only I use eyes instead of hair.

Carolyn
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/01/2006 04:13:47
Hi Ya...4.10am here.....erhmm!!..it didn't work !..I'll try again when I go to bed...again...wifey will be asleep but I'll grab here head anyway !(lol)....sorry !!

I was just too awake...I'll give it another go later...Good Luck Carolyn !

Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Desert_Rose on 13/01/2006 08:19:23
Yes, definitly give it a several nights tryout....it can't hurt.  Plus your body gets "relax time" as well as it makes you do "nothing else" for a short while anyway.  I can't say that I have used it, but hubby swears to it.
lots of luck to both of you!
Joanne
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Desert_Rose on 13/01/2006 23:34:03
I was doing a search for something else, ran across this and thought of you!
http://www.enzymeessentials.com/search/answers/question_50.html

Joanne
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 14/01/2006 05:04:40
Thanks for the link Jo (Can I call you Jo ?)...not too sure if it will assist me...but it's certainly worth investigating. Many Thanks and hugs !


Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Desert_Rose on 14/01/2006 07:06:03
Oh, please don't call me Jo.  (Multiple bad memories including an ex-husband who decided I was his "clown" so instead of JoJo & Bozo the Clowns -it was just Jo)

I want only smiley, happy memories to associate with this forum. :)

Well, investigation might prove fruitful?
Hugs back at ya
Joanne
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 14/01/2006 07:10:00
[:D][:D][:D] Hi Happy Joanne !![:D][:D][:D]...well...it's 7:10am here ...guess what ?...I'm still up !!

Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Desert_Rose on 14/01/2006 07:17:06
It's 11:15pm here in the Great Northwest, as it's sometimes known as (westcoast USA)

So what did you try for sleeping and how long did you try it (insert nosey nose here...)
Joanne
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 14/01/2006 07:26:39
quote:
Originally posted by Desert_Rose

It's 11:15pm here in the Great Northwest, as it's sometimes known as (westcoast USA)

So what did you try for sleeping and how long did you try it (insert nosey nose here...)
Joanne



Well Mam, I tried the hunny bunny head thing again !..and then I listened to some relaxing music...then I went out for a ten mile run...climbed a mountain and wrestled a Bear ! [:D][:D]

Uh oh !!..I'm so tired , silly humour mode has kicked in !! [;)]


Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Desert_Rose on 14/01/2006 07:34:16
Hey, works for me!
Joanne
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 14/01/2006 07:48:13
..I did try the head thing...honest !!....I'm not going to give up..

Ok...I'm really going to bed now..I know I will sleep...I'm shattered.

night night Joanne...thanks for your support tonight...hugs !



Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Desert_Rose on 14/01/2006 07:55:30
Ok!....Ok!
I believe you. heh heh heh
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Desert_Rose on 18/01/2006 20:41:36
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to scare anyone away.
I seem to be doing that though...
I'll go away now (bad girl, bad girl, sit...stay)
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 27/05/2006 20:45:43
Hello,

I'm neil. Totally lost my mind due to non sleeping.

This is a nice site...think I'll stay a while.

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 29/05/2006 09:20:54
Hey Neil, I thought I would join you here. It is 1:18 AM here so I am guessing it isabout ( 9:18PM there ) unless I am way off. I am having some trouble tonight also and I can't sleep either. Although I see you posted this last night. Did you ever get any sleep yesterday?
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 29/05/2006 09:44:18
Barbqued at a friends tonight and came home and can't sleep. I go in there and lay there and try to empty my head only to find it filling back up with useless dribble that I cannot do anything with. Sometimes I think I have these brilliant ideas that  could make me a fortune and then I think, good grief go to sleep already. I toss and turn think about hubby laying there next to me sawing logs and then I think I purposely ask him something to get him to keep me company  and then he gets really grumpy , ( I just don't understand why!) Its not like I am jealous or is it? I want to be able to lay on the pillow, pull the covers over my shoulders snuggle up and just go straight to sleep. I have never been able to do that my whole life. I struggle to go to sleep. I sometimes think it is a fear of something and yet I don't know what. Like I am so tired but as soon as I lay my head down something kicks in and pop up I come my body becomes antsy.
  I sometimes have a problem with restless leg syndrome. Some medications set it off, as well as some foods. I start to feel like  the blood in my legs is moving so fast It is what I would think of when you think of someone going through DT's. They feel like things are crawling on their skin. With restless leg, it feels like they are crawling under my skin instead. I feel like I cannot lay still, my legs feel jittery and they need to move. Sometimes a hot shower helps. Other time it does not. Sometimes sexual activity and the use of those thigh muscles help to relieve the symptoms also. Other times I have to get up move around and rub my legs alot! Really no fun, except for the sex that is, If hubby will wake up long enough!
  Have you ever had this problem with your sleep? Has sex ever helped you to fall asleep? I sometimes wonder what makes our bodies work the way they do.
 You know, you said that even though you are up for a really long time that you still don't sleep long. I find that to be the same for me.
 Neil it is so funny to be able to talk to someone with similar problems. It has become a way of life for me. My younger coworkers who are in there early 20's get way more sleep then I do, but I am not groughy and irritable like they are and I have a ton more patience then they do. I really don't get it. I am such a procrastinator about stuff. I wait till the last minute then I do everything on no sleep. No worries that I have to work all day, I do fine. I don't get it!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 29/05/2006 09:59:05
I am going to make an attempt to get some sleep again. Its been about 4 hrs since last attempt, so it couldn't hurt to try! I hope you were able to sleep tonight. Maybe counting the wifes hairs will work this time. Counting has never done a thing for me. I just go nuts wondering if I can get past a trillion, but then what, I can't even tell you what comes after the trillons! Zillion? who knows, There have been nights when I would have still been counting.
  Well have a great day, I'll be back if the sleep escapes me, Love to the family.... Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 29/05/2006 11:12:17
Geez, I am up after a very long trip and sweetie calling me at 2am my time...I had about 2hours of sleep and I am wide awake, did a load of clothes, sat on patio, my other phone rang at 3am and sweetie grilled me....geez, it was my alarm clock in case I fell asleep the other morning before leaving out of town...I was hoping to find some tips on sleeping....maybe need to get a stuffed animal and count the threads....boredom..live with boredom..

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 29/05/2006 11:12:53
Karen, you still up or Neil?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 29/05/2006 13:07:13
I'm up now...crawed into bed at 9am...lucky me !

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 29/05/2006 18:31:54
Oh Neil, I'm sorry. I slept for a couple hours now wide awake againI think I nodded off aroun 5:00 am finally. Then I woke up around 7:30 am. Oh well I feel fine now , just a bit slow moving.
  Neal and Loretta I hope your sleep was fruitful and refreshing!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 30/05/2006 00:51:27
Nope...I finally fell asleep around 7:30am and up at 9am...I hate this....when I do fall asleep around 2-3am I am up after a couple of hours...but hate it when I go from day until the next night or morning and am awake...it is nuts...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: ukmicky on 30/05/2006 00:57:27
I generally feel tired enough to fall asleep at around 04:30 and get up at about 09:00 but i will wake up for 5 minutes or so every hour .

Its a right pain, but also weird because i never feel tired until 04:30 the next day
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 30/05/2006 01:25:45
What is wrong with us?  I don't understand it...and I don't have no consistent pattern unless sweetie wakes me up..which since I have been off work, I have been more on his timezone than mine, which is not helping...as I am not yet back to work, I keep thinking it is because I can't do enough to wear myself out, but then remembered I would only sleep 2-4hrs a night when working anyway.  Do we require less sleep than others?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 30/05/2006 08:47:38
Okay, I guess there is no help for us guys...I have been looking and there are some groups, but it doesn't appear it is really for people with insominia?  Other sleep disorders, yes....of course, part of mine maybe Denny...hey I have to find someone to blame?  It is only 2:45am now...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 30/05/2006 13:26:17
That's always been the issue Lo. support groups for insomniacs per se are null and void.....as you say, there are for other sleep related conditions.

It's just not taken seriously at all....ho hum ! *le sigh*

What day is it?..ahhh Tuesday !..that's nice....apart from 50 minutes unconsciousness between 6 & 7 am this morning I'm as happy as larry !

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 30/05/2006 13:58:09
Yes, so true.  Maybe there is no way to determine what makes us sleepless for up to days at a time as each one of us have different sleep patterns when we do.  You are like me with a pill..I hate synthetic junk going into my system..mine is ambien...I hate it and will not take it...I can't take the heavy stuff as I am very much a lightweight to medicine, but don't like the way it makes me feel when I awaken.  Maybe we can find out certain things...like foods we eat, drinks we drink(or care to admit), activity,(I am told I am hyper and I think you are too from what I have read)Michael and Karen is up too...I would like to sleep more,and how in the world do we function like the rest of the world with a few hours...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 30/05/2006 14:05:07
I don't know any other way....as far as I'm concerened this is the way my life is...the first few years of my life were ok as sleep is concerened , then, at the age of 6 mummy began to notice me staying awake all night...i've been like that ever since. So it's always been difficult to pin point an obvious cause in my case as it's been with me since childhood, through my teens, twentys, thirtys and now my fortys !...ho hum !....I've just accepted it...I mean ...what else can I do ?

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 30/05/2006 14:45:24
Mine started in the 30's, but my middle son used to be like that as a child, but now has grown fond of sleep...?  He is in his 20's.  I haven't accepted it much and maybe that is my point...maybe I should accept this problem as the norm...but still miss my sleep.  Do you ever have days where you can sleep more than 1-4hrs without a sleep aid?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 02/06/2006 06:25:15
This night is not looking promising either...I may have to take my ambien as I had no sleep last night and the weird thing is...I closed my eyes and opened them and discovered it had been 10 mins but did not feel like I went to sleep!  If so, 10 mins??  ick!  I am wide awake...mopped kitchen floor, cleaned off cabinets and about to go and do some more domesticated duties...ick...this is getting bad...I hate to take this pill...as I know how it will make me feel when I awaken in the morning...oops, I mean this morning...still contemplating as I have to go out of town on a short trip in the morning...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 03/06/2006 04:49:23
The thing about trying to go to bed at this hour (nearly 5am) is that it's broad daylight and the birds are singing !!..I don't feel like singing !!

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 03/06/2006 08:25:12
LOL  I am so excited it is now 2:23am!  Still no shut eye!  Woo Hoo!  I thought I would be sleepy by now...guess I should go back to reading my book.  ho hum...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 07/06/2006 06:08:26
Not a good sign as I am wide awake at midnight...the last two nights had a few hours of sleep 3-4...if only I could get that amount now...I would be in heaven...Miss our other insominac, Neil...hope his training is going well and he is getting sleep.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 07/06/2006 10:30:06
I am back...just went swimming, read, listened to music, and did everything possible to go back to sleep...I give up.  It is only 4:30am...aagghh!  Maybe I will do something else...?  go back on the internet...and research.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 18/07/2006 13:34:22
Insomnia....grr!  I have been awake all night...not even 1 or 2 hours of sleep...aggravated kitty with string hehe...he stayed up to even though he layed down he kept watching string.. I have to go in today to work some OT for Memphis...some of their program needs to be updated...but it takes 4 minutes to upload stuff...ick...very slow too much data...very tired.  i may take ambien tonight

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: healthier_cr on 21/07/2006 15:51:24
Hi, one good thing we can do about Insomnia is to get as much information as we can related to it, a healthy life style is important too.  Here is a good reading About Insomnia (http://www.insomniatreatment.blogspot.com/), just my two cents.

"No matter where you go, you`ll still be there" Confucios.
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/07/2006 15:55:02
Thanks Bill,

Excellent link.......and welcome to the forum.

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 22/07/2006 09:06:42
Hey that is a cool link. You all should check it out! Most stuff I already know, but had some useful tips!......Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 25/07/2006 13:24:58
Very cool link..but most of it I already knew...and most of it has been tried too.... :-( I am going to have to start taking my ambien...something I just discovered and you guys might want to think about it....it seems like the more I work, or activity I do during the day seems to make me more hyper....not, sure, but I am wound up more than ever at times when I work hard and it seems like I keep ticking along!!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/08/2006 06:42:46
Now what shall I do ?..nearly 7am and I have to take my car in for a service soon !!....if I stay awake..which i think is what is going to happen then I will probably knock myself out tonight.....by bloody banging my friggin head against a brick wall !!.....Great !!..that's another day as a member of the living dead ahead of me !!..

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 07/08/2006 07:40:55
Awww, sorry babes...we know how you feel...that is why I have a 2nd job to keep me out of the midst of trouble!  Ta, Ta, Ta, taaa...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/08/2006 15:40:53
Thank You LO, people do not realise at all how debilitating it is...they have absolutely no idea.

Tomorrow, I am being interviewed for a video/dvd that will enable health professionals to educate the people involved in insomnia research into the impact insomnia has on the patient....

So, should be good.

does that mean I will be famous ? [:)]

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 07/08/2006 16:58:55
OMG!  I can't wait to hear about this one...you have to tell it!  Finally...someone is doing something to help us...or I hope!  Can I be the first one to ask you for you autograph?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/08/2006 17:20:20
quote:
Originally posted by moonfire

OMG!  I can't wait to hear about this one...you have to tell it!  Finally...someone is doing something to help us...or I hope!  Can I be the first one to ask you for you autograph?

"Lo" Loretta




You just have , perchance you'll be a devoted groupie who will require signage upon your parts !! [;)].................... (sorry) [:)]..

it's funny...the interview will last about two hours and they will of course skim off all the best bits...but I will be required to do that walking thing when you are introduced and they show you walking down the street or coming down the stairs...

Cameras...Lights...action !!!...I'm ready for my close up !! [:D]

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 07/08/2006 18:01:44
LOL  you are so crazy!  LOL  what parts?  LOL  You little movie star you!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 08/08/2006 15:48:15
Hee hee...guess what....I am being filmed as I type this...Yipeeeee !!!



Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/08/2006 15:51:54
Our super hero is becomming famous before our eyes!!!!WOOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/08/2006 15:53:57
Sir, you are too funny!! Good Luck You!

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 09/08/2006 04:22:51
Hello Neilsy!  This should be interesting while the rest of the insominacs are not sleeping either...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Mjhavok on 09/08/2006 09:14:32
Filmed for what? You making a vlog Neil?

Neil is my younger brothers name btw.

Steven
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 09/08/2006 12:17:36
Hi Steven,

Your younger brother must be quite the handsome (young) man then !..what a guy ![:)]


If you read my posts prior to the one above,....... on page 2 I was being interviewed for a DVD that will help health care professionals deal with Insomniacs.

Filming lasted about 2 hours (this was the actual interview)...... and then I had to do things like opening my cupboard and grabbing my pills, then walking down the street a few times, then washing up a few bits and pieces and finally typing here on the PC....from all of this they will just take the best bits for what will probably end up being 5-10 minutes of time on the DVD.

*le sigh* It'd hard work !! The paparazzi have been stalking me...I can see them now outside my house. Expect to see some blurry long distance shots and headlines in the press like ' INSOMNIAC FLUSHES TOILET !..NON SLEEPER BRUSHES TEETH...ALL NIGHTER DOES A WEE WEE ' [:)]....I've already booked myself into a rehabilitation clinic and am training myself to wear sun gasses at night in the dark inside.
The Album will follow, then the book and probably a film too I expect !! [:D]

Seriously though, I was so delighted to help these people as research and support for Insomniacs is very thin on the ground and anything that helps to bring awareness to it is great.

Hollywood....here I come....Daaaarrling !![:)]

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 09/08/2006 15:01:01
Come over here darling!  Hollywood awaits you!  ;-) I want to join the papparazzi now!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 09/08/2006 15:36:30
LO .....I may have to invent tewnty five middle names !!..so that I can spend a while giving you my autograph !!..oh yeah !![:)]

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 09/08/2006 16:10:30
Neil you are such a ham!!!![:D][:D] Which lovely signature are you going to use Kind Sir!! I must be sure to watch for you when the big film hits the market place and all the local video stores!!![:)]


Big Hugs Sir!
Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 10/08/2006 06:42:15
Neilsy...you can give me 50 middle names and take all the time you want while I gaze in your eyes batting my eyes wildly swooning at you!  ;-)

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Mjhavok on 10/08/2006 12:24:48
Are you a psychologist or something Neil?

It's just that I looked at your profile and I don't know why a "Bespoke Jewellery Designer" would be filming on a DVD for insomniacs lol.

Also. My brother would say he was handsome. I wouldn't lol.

Steven
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 10/08/2006 18:10:30
LO,

For ewe I would invent a 100 names...My word are they THAT big that they could take all the signage  ?!! LOL !! (ewe are a crazy sassy girl)

Steven.....I was the subject of the interview because of my LONG LONG LONG standing as an insomniac !...LOL....I'm certainly no psychologist...in fact I've never had an ' ology ' in my life !!

Karen
...you'll get first class front row seats Mam at the premiere !!

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/08/2006 06:27:03
I can't wait! You are so funny!

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 11/08/2006 07:02:45
Neilsy....ewe r great!  I just would love to see some of the names you could invent for your middle name and sign for moi!  Vous are the best...(holding down the French a bit so you will know what I am talking about...hehe)  Crazy/Sassy...are they in the same category???...hmmm, seems like it could be added in another post on the forum here...hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 23/08/2006 07:37:44
Mon ami le Imsmnia supprt groupez,

je suis still awake...merde !!...merde merde merde !!  LOL

ecoutze...je can hear les bloody fauna le tweeting...

je voudrais taken moi colt quarante cinq et blast les birds to le kingdom come !!

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 08:01:50
LOL!!  I know what you mean...I am still awake too...birds will mess you up...LOL  They would need it here if it were those stinking grackles...aagghh!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 23/08/2006 08:28:50
Mon ami le (friggin) Insmonia support Gropez !!

a qulle heura at il ?...ce'st huit et trente minooooot !

pourquoi am je ici ?

je ne says par !!..voooze ette le idiot pour not being le sleep !

Still..it is d'accord parce que vous made loretta smile !...bon !...elle is un beau madame.   [:)]


Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 10:12:57
LOL  you are too funny....sweetest and bestest...hugs ewe lil sheepie...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 08:01:50
LOL!!  I know what you mean...I am still awake too...birds will mess you up...LOL  They would need it here if it were those stinking grackles...aagghh!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/09/2006 02:08:21
I am ALWAYS amazed when I hear of people who can sleep so much....but what freaks me out even more is to know people who can put their head down and go to sleep...just like that !!...

I have often requested a demonstration of such a gift !

This one time (...in band camp !! name the film ? )....anyway..!!..(sheesh..will you just get on with it !!)...ahem...This one time...I asked my colleague to prove it. I told him to go in the dem room (a room where demos are done !! [:)])...lay on the couch and go to sleep !!...Within five minutes he was out !!.....now THIS kind of thing freaks me out more than those crazy street magician tricks !!

On average....when you are sleeping your USUAL sleep pattern...

(1) How many hours sleep do you get a night [?]

(2) It it regularly disturbed ? Do you wake up then go back to sleep [?]

(3) What is your normal (normal being what is usual for you ) sleep pattern at night [?]

(4) Do you sleep during the day [?]

(5) Could you sleep in the day if able ..in other words ..if you were allowed to put your feet up and rest...could you sleep [?]

(6) Do you wake with a Kellogg's cornflake golden smile on your face with enough zest to take on the world [?]

(7) How long are you awake for before getting up [?]



No one need answer all of them..and I may have follow up questions.............This is just purely for my curiosity. It's 2am here as I type this ...I know I will be awake at the very least for the next 5 hours !

This is not a learned behaviour for me ...this has been my pattern for the last 36 years !...so I am always curious about other peoples sleep pattern.....

Thank you for your time.......*yawnnnn....goes to sleep and collapses on the keybbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboard !!*(http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif)

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/09/2006 03:06:51
1RSToof all I have collapsed on the keyboard literally but as soon as I get up lie down my blasted eyes pop right back open.. I can't sleep, I feel tired worn out but cannot sleep!! so weird!


(1) How many hours sleep do you get a night ? Normally two to 4 hours

(2) It it regularly disturbed ? Yes, Am very light sleeper,  Do you wake up then go back to sleep? No , Usually its all over if I get woken up!

(3) What is your normal sleep pattern at night?  When Young 10 to 12 hours a night with occasional ensomnia, that worsened with age!!... Last15 years There is no pattern.. some times I am awake my worst not long ago was approaching day 5 with 0 sleep.. was exhausted had no idea what was happening or what day it was or who the devil I was anymore, was teary tired upset and lost and confused...  

(4) Do you sleep during the day? Absolutely not!

(5) Could you sleep in the day if able? Once in a blue moon, but not often..

(6) Do you wake with a Kellogg's cornflake golden smile on your face with enough zest to take on the world? Depends on what day it is and how long I have been without sleep!! Most of the time I paint one of those lovely kellogg smiles on anyways!![:D]

(7) How long are you awake for before getting up? I wake up and plant my feet on the floor immediately.. I also have restless legg syndrome so that adds to my sleep loss also..  




Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/09/2006 04:17:48
THANK YOU KAREN MAM FOR THE WONDERFUL ANSWERS.

Getting those eight hours must have been fantastic !

It would be great to get a few responses from others.....

I might re-post this as  a new thread in it's own right.

5 days without sleep !!...wooo !!...I've done three days many times.....but five !! ?...you must have been going through a particularly disruptive time Mam !!

It's worth noting that for many people, they do not realise that they have in fact been to sleep when they think they haven't. I am  most certainly not saying this is what happened to you..but when you get to the point where reality is a blur...it's very difficult to tell the difference between a dream and being awake !!

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/09/2006 04:52:37
It was a very disruptive time and I was extremely upset not well and generally, very unpleasant, terrified person..I had not quite it was a bit under 5 days several hours.. was the worst experience with this problem I have ever had.. I was not asleep... way to upset!! I can say with retro spect on the last day, I thought It had been 3 days, but when I checked the date I had been up longer then I had thought confusion was defineitely playing tricks on me as I lost track of time!! I was greatful for Friends!!
 % days without sleep was the first time I have ever not slept for that period of time.. It is not unusual for me to go two days sometimes three but that's rare! 5 was crazy!

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 21/09/2006 05:50:21
(1) How many hours sleep do you get a night? Grumble...average 2-3

(2) It it regularly disturbed? Yes! Do you wake up then go back to sleep NO>>>I wish I did!

(3) What is your normal sleep pattern at night ? What is defined as normal...my sleep pattern is never normal and the hours i am awake are never the same or never the same sleep patterns.  I could be up for 2 days at a time...ick

(4) Do you sleep during the day ?NO

(5) Could you sleep in the day if able ?Able meaning not working or if my body would let me???  My body would allow me to would be awesome...but not to my knowledge.

(6) Do you wake with a Kellogg's cornflake golden smile on your face with enough zest to take on the world?  LOL  Sometimes

(7) How long are you awake for before getting up ? Hours sometimes...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/09/2006 06:28:15
It usually takes me forever to go to sleep!!

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/09/2006 17:45:50
THANK YOU LORETTA.......

Seems between the three of thus far...we all have pretty damn awful sleep patterns.

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/09/2006 18:35:36
Yeperoo! thats just the way it goes, I try not to think about it too much or I get all grumpy.. So I Just smile and fake it most of the time.. although I am a nice person naturally, I hope and try to keep it that way for the most part!!

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 21/09/2006 19:52:22
Sleep....huh?  Did someone say sleep? (eyes all bloodshot, looking like I stared at a train's headlights all night...read too much last night and still maybe 30 mins maybe of dozing off....My niece came into town(no notice from the momsie)so we stayed up for a bit and I read...adreanline(sp)all up in the air...computer in bedroom as I stayed in the living room advising them it was not good for their health for me to be in my bedroom as I am up most of the night moving around and doing "stuff"

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/09/2006 20:04:20
Me too Lo....I am always to be found walking around in bare feet around the house....

Can I have some late night advice also please ?...does not matter what it is...any advice will do...YAYYYYYYYYY !!!

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 21/09/2006 20:41:50
LOL  I hear ya Neilsy!  I find the cat and annoy him sometimes, read, rearrange furniture, pictures, write, think(dangerous), call late night buddies who work late or up at night...now the exboyfriend is new victum..hehe...geez who embarrassed me in front of his momsie the other day (not sure if she remembers me from 18yrs ago...or rather hopes she doesn't?)Just wanna be his friend and he seemed to make it seem a bit different making remarks that I don't want to go to his house or I don't call much...geez, we aren't going together???  I did call Monday...okay, maybe he calls at least 3 times a week....but I sometimes answer the phone...don't want to misinterpret my actions meaning I am interested in him...there is a reason why he is my ex...lol  
When I have some time next month...I may take up pottery, stained glass, or painting(abstract)as no one could tell what I was painting or anything...may take up making jewelry...(can you tell I have been thinking??  hehe)

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2006 04:09:12
Well I like to be on the computer and then I always clean at night or reaarrange furniture for my husband to trip over when he comes walking up the hall at three in the morning to go to work!! Whoops did not leave a note or light on to tell him about the the couch or chair where the walkway used to be... Thats always fun to hear!!#$%$#%$&*$%##$%*&*%$##@#$% ah I guess I really should have said something!!!LOL

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 22/09/2006 05:27:56
Yep...I have been guilty of it myself and my son wasn't real happy with me....but I am usually the first one up...his mistake!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2006 07:49:19
Yeah its sort of fun!!
Picture the day after halloween night houses still dressed in cob webs and jackolanterns, Hubby comes home at 3:00 Am from work and as he was driving into apt. complex, said he started snickering at the fact that some dumb neighbor already had christmas decorations up!!! He said he parked about 400 ft. away in parking lot and started to walk toward our new apt, we switched from 2 bed. to a 4 bed. same complex.  The closer he got the more he snckered, and said some things that were not nice about the neighbors being so strange.. then he got closer and started reading apt. numbers.. and was horrified to find that it was our apartment with a sterling Silver glowing Aluminum Christmas tree being displayed in the big picture glass window in the front of the apartments!! He came in and said, Oh I should have known it was my apartment, I just thought someone else really likes Christmas like my wife!!! Are you really going to leave that up,....now...till Christmas!!  I said yes,....got a problem with that...he started to speak up and I handed him some more tensil and he just shook his head and helped me finish tensiling the tree!  I REALLY REALLY LOVE CHRISTMAS!!As a matter of fact, we only have 94 days till the big event! YAAAAY! I wuv Christmas!!That was the year I put up all the christmas lights and a fully decked out Christmas tree the day after Halloween!!


Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 22/09/2006 07:58:22
Karen, I am impressed!  You have beaten the retailers at least a week!  LOL  You are so funny!  I think Christmas is cool....but wait until after Thanksgiving before giving into all the decorating festivities...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 22/09/2006 08:06:28
I am bored to tears..okay, almost near.  guess I better go to sleep Karen or at least try....maybe I will get 8hrs?  It has been years since I have done something that incredible...Good Night Karen and give all the boys on the otherside of the world my love this morning!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2006 14:51:10
OKay I will, Love to you too Loretta slaeep well..

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 23/09/2006 03:52:39
Grrr!  I didn't...but bossy did not expect me at work today...i wanted to roll my eyes as if she would let me sleep?  Yesterday I went in at 11:30am and she only called me 3 times...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 23/09/2006 04:41:16
JEESH....Only 3 times huh!

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 23/09/2006 04:57:40
LOL  I know...I think she is co-dependent upon me being at property...she can't stand it when I go to another property...she will call me too many times and I swear she will make up issues so I have to go back.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 23/09/2006 08:26:12
I would be willing to bet that that is exactly what she does... HEE HEE HEE! How was the rest of your day??

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 23/09/2006 14:28:17
It is amazing when I do go back there does not seem to be an issue anymore, or it is an easy one anyone could resolve, or I not able to reach the person at said numbers when she gives them to me...hmmmm, but there is no way to prove that one...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 23/09/2006 14:48:45
That is a problem eh?

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 24/09/2006 04:51:47
most definitely

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 24/09/2006 06:15:48
I think bosses are really good at shuffling things to suit them after  all if they have the power!

Karen
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 28/10/2006 06:56:24
oh joy !!  nearly 7am !! [:(]
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 28/10/2006 08:28:08
oh joy !!!  8:20am [:(]
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 28/10/2006 16:53:09
You did not sleep last night? Man Neil are you ok? did you ever get some rest this morning? I know it is alreadyalmost 5:PM... Worried how are you??
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 28/10/2006 17:09:44
Karen Mam..

I just fizzled out for a while and am just running on adrenalin at the moment....may not be my usual happy self today...but will try !!

Thanks for your caring words !!


Hey !!..I got the DVD of my insomnia interview.......wooooo !!..it is good !!..

I am hoping some sleep professional will see it and say.." lets get that bloke in and help him out"...you never know !!...yea right !!! [::)] [::)]
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 28/10/2006 17:29:42
I am glad you finally got it and glad it came out so good.. I hope it does find someone who can help you.. you know we all want for that to be the case!! I want to see your video!! LOL

 I hope you get some rest tonight.. I am going to go to Borders and try to find something to do that is constructive Later!  I Will be saying praryer for you to rest well tonight!.. Try hard ok?
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 30/10/2006 04:48:53
Yeah, I hope there is some hope out there for us....I have a question for the rest of you insominacs...tell me if this has ever happened to you....I was lying down on my bed...I was tired of reading, tired of creating, tired of computer (ebay bidding)and just looking up at the ceiling...I discover I was asleep...(not sure for how long)but was stunned (feeling stunned)and still looking up at the ceiling...it was a weird feeling...
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/10/2006 05:37:05
You know the week I got real sick and all that trouble was happening.., That happened to me at the computer but I was sitting up, but like just froze and then I don't remember what happened but I fell down into the keyboard.. I am not sure when I had started my post, but it must have been half hour because when I woke I remember I had been writing down times of you know whos posts, then when I looked back at the last one, then the newest it had been about 30 min. Very weird sensation.. At that point was about 3 and 1/2 days I think.. It got so boggled I lost all track of time, I did not know what I was doing anymore and couldn,t think.. was crying constantly and felt like crude.. I think your body just takes control and knocks your butt out!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 30/10/2006 06:04:11
I know...it was kinda weird...I almost felt paralyzed...body shock
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 30/10/2006 15:06:21
Yeah, I hope there is some hope out there for us....I have a question for the rest of you insominacs...tell me if this has ever happened to you....I was lying down on my bed...I was tired of reading, tired of creating, tired of computer (ebay bidding)and just looking up at the ceiling...I discover I was asleep...(not sure for how long)but was stunned (feeling stunned)and still looking up at the ceiling...it was a weird feeling...



This is interesting LO (Hi Lo*giggles*)....I think I have had this happen....ususally when I've gone a couple of nights...it is weird....in my case it pisses me off because I realise I've been asleep but only for a few minutes !!...the frustrating thing is why do I not stay asleep ? It's more like passing out and then regaining consciousness !!..well..that's how it feels for me anyway...
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/10/2006 15:27:19
Yep thats about what it felt like.. as I must have stayed sitting up for awhile before hitting the keyboard, because thats what woke me up! Then I tried to go to sleep with no luck!!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 31/10/2006 04:34:19
This is interesting LO (Hi Lo*giggles*)....I think I have had this happen....ususally when I've gone a couple of nights...it is weird....in my case it pisses me off because I realise I've been asleep but only for a few minutes !!...the frustrating thing is why do I not stay asleep ? It's more like passing out and then regaining consciousness !!..well..that's how it feels for me anyway...
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Hmmm, you maybe right as I have had little sleep when that did occur.  I swear I had been asleep a long time...but it wasn't long at all...

Karen, same thing here...could not go to sleep for the rest of the night
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/10/2006 05:19:04
Isn't that weird..
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 31/10/2006 06:57:44
nearly 7am....*oh woe is me*
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 01/11/2006 02:57:08
OH Neil.. Your were still up at 7:00 AM!! I'm so sorry! I wish I could help you... I know your beat!! I know you have tried everything! Did you ever get any sleep later..? I hope you took your sleepy tabs and got some sleep Tonight!! Be well...Hugs to you!!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 01/11/2006 21:30:31
I am well taking sleepy tabs tonight !!...I just have to !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 01/11/2006 21:45:14
Hope you have a long, restful sleep.

carolyn
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 01/11/2006 22:12:54
Thanks Carolyn...me hopes so too. !!

Should I set my alarm to wake me up every fifteen minutes to come here and report about it ?..LOL
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 02/11/2006 02:19:14
Quote
Thanks Carolyn...me hopes so too. !!

Should I set my alarm to wake me up every fifteen minutes to come here and report about it ?..LOL

Nah.  Every 30 minutes will suffice. LOL [:o] [;D]

Rest Well!!!!

Carolyn
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 02/11/2006 13:34:50
Hope you slept well!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/11/2006 13:47:47
Hope you slept well!

Thanks you Karen Mam,

I took two 'horse knock out ' pills at 1am...then at 2:30am I took another...I erember hearing the 3:30am news and then the next thing I knew it was 7:10am....I then dozed until 10am when I had to get up...so..on the whole, I had my three days sleep last night !!..YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 02/11/2006 13:56:43
Good Job. Have been worried.. I could use some of your horse pills as I can't sleep either.. Was up most of night before and been up all night tonight and this morning. I hope you feeling some better after some much needed sleep! I have a ton of printing to do for the preschool and I am tired. Tried to sleep several times no luck! so I have been printing and posting, Like counting sheep! Reading things I don't understand and witing things that only make sense to me! I have lost my mind somewhere!LOL Probably been abducted by an alien from the other thread!LOL
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 02/11/2006 14:00:25
I-am-an-al-ien-i-ab-duct-ed-your-sleep-from-u-all  LOL
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/11/2006 14:11:31



Good Job. Have been worried.. I could use some of your horse pills as I can't sleep either.. Was up most of night before and been up all night tonight and this morning. I hope you feeling some better after some much needed sleep! I have a ton of printing to do for the preschool and I am tired. Tried to sleep several times no luck! so I have been printing and posting, Like counting sheep! Reading things I don't understand and witing things that only make sense to me! I have lost my mind somewhere!LOL Probably been abducted by an alien from the other thread!LOL

Unfortunately  Kren Mam.... Nitrazepam  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrazepam is no longer available in the US !!...probably because I have them all !!

LOL...and we all know ou just love to print things out !!  LOL
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/11/2006 14:13:12
I-am-an-al-ien-i-ab-duct-ed-your-sleep-from-u-all  LOL

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!  LO ( Hi LO- giggles)...Lo has been possessed by an Alien...what shall we do ?...methinks me needs to probe her all over to exorcise the alien badness !! *slaps own face*
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 02/11/2006 14:23:33
Kind Sir.. You make me laugh so hard when you are so tired from your meds...  You want me to go print that out eh?? What on earth for, I think I can read it fine..

By the way you need to take them nightly.. sleeping regularly would do you a world of good! NAG NAG NAG NAG NAG!! EH?? LOL LOL!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 03/11/2006 07:01:16
7am !!*le sigh*....I've a new pattern forming after 36 years !..72 hours awake followed by three drug induced forced hours !..



Is this healthy ?...This can not be doing me any good at all !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/11/2006 07:35:49
Oh I am so sorry again.. LIsten to me....Read this go close your eyes and go to my special place...It's all yours..

 Close your eyes.. think about a meadow soft and green, a slight breeze, beautiful Bluebells, and Trilliums growing wild around the meadow, which is nestled right in the middle of a The most beautiful redwood forest....You are here lying in this small clearing with the sun trickling down like a beam onto the lush green meadow grass..and your face. The birds singing and the sound of a small underground creek which pokes its head just above ground and tumbles lightly over a small embankment where it forms the most beautiful waterfall which flows softly down through the wooded area along side the clearing, traveling on about 500 more feet where it just vanishes into the earth again making its underground Journey onto its destination of the rushing river...

Smell the fresh air and listen to the sounds of nature around you as you here the slight rustle of leaves in the wind..feel the sunshining down upon your face with a warmth that spreads across your body filling you with a soft groggy warm glow as your eyes begin to drift oft into a restful slumber and your mind clears of its worries and finds peace and solitude there beneath the beauty that surrounds you! restful thoughts quiet moments soft trickles of water and peace.... Dreaming now in the quiet slumber of your mind.....Sleep well friend.....
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 03/11/2006 15:00:57
Oh I am so sorry again.. LIsten to me....Read this go close your eyes and go to my special place...It's all yours..

 Close your eyes.. If I close my eyes I can't read this post !! [;D]think about a meadow soft and green, a slight breeze, beautiful Bluebells, and Trilliums growing wild around the meadow, which is nestled right in the middle of a The most beautiful redwood forest....You are here lying in this small clearing with the sun trickling down like a beam onto the lush green meadow grass..and your face.I hate the sun on my face !! The birds singing Pesky birds !!...kill em all !! and the sound of a small underground creek which pokes its head just above ground and tumbles lightly over a small embankment where it forms the most beautiful waterfall which flows softly down through the wooded area along side the clearing, traveling on about 500 more feet where it just vanishes into the earth again making its underground Journey onto its destination of the rushing river... Now  I want to do a wee wee !!  [;D]

Smell the fresh air and listen to the sounds of nature around you as you here the slight rustle of leaves in the wind..feel the sunshining down upon your face I hate the sun on my face !! with a warmth that spreads across your body filling you with a soft groggy warm glow as your eyes begin to drift oft into a restful slumber and your mind clears of its worries Worries ?..If I have nothing to worry about...that worries me !and finds peace and solitude there beneath the beauty that surrounds you! restful thoughts quiet moments soft trickles of water  I want to do another wee wee !! and peace.... Dreaming now in the quiet slumber of your mind.....Sleep well friend.....



THANK YOU so much Karen Mam !! [:I]

I do so wish it was as easy as that...

You paint a beautiful picture....just wish I could jump into to it and enjoy this serenity !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/11/2006 15:26:13
 I know it's not that easy, just something to think about!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 05/11/2006 14:25:46
I-am-an-al-ien-i-ab-duct-ed-your-sleep-from-u-all  LOL

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!  LO ( Hi LO- giggles)...Lo has been possessed by an Alien...what shall we do ?...methinks me needs to probe her all over to exorcise the alien badness !! *slaps own face*

Me-don't-know-about-pro-bing-me-me-thinks-probing-ewe-would-be-much-more-ex-citing hehe
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 05/11/2006 17:34:04
I-am-an-al-ien-i-ab-duct-ed-your-sleep-from-u-all  LOL

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!  LO ( Hi LO- giggles)...Lo has been possessed by an Alien...what shall we do ?...methinks me needs to probe her all over to exorcise the alien badness !! *slaps own face*

Me-don't-know-about-pro-bing-me-me-thinks-probing-ewe-would-be-much-more-ex-citing hehe


*Bends Over*  "I'm winking at you dahhhhhhling"
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2006 21:08:34
Been up again all night.. am feeling pretty worn out but still can't sleep...so bored....Here it is 1;00 in the afternoon and I am still in my nightgown..I haven't even gotten dressed, but I didn't chang until 4:00 am this morning .. In hopes that sleep would come if I tried to fool it! Yeah right Instead I was rather bad and posted and emailed out of boredom! You should never email when your bored you might bore people to death and depress them!!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 06/11/2006 06:32:23
I-am-an-al-ien-i-ab-duct-ed-your-sleep-from-u-all  LOL

Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!  LO ( Hi LO- giggles)...Lo has been possessed by an Alien...what shall we do ?...methinks me needs to probe her all over to exorcise the alien badness !! *slaps own face*

Me-don't-know-about-pro-bing-me-me-thinks-probing-ewe-would-be-much-more-ex-citing hehe


*Bends Over*  "I'm winking at you dahhhhhhling"

You probeaholic!  LOL
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 06/11/2006 06:42:08
*le sigh* 6:40am !  ho hum !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 06/11/2006 07:08:01
awww, I just went through that last night....hugs! I am wide awake here at work too...sighhhh
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 06/11/2006 07:13:59
We all didn't sleep again last night.. Love you guys sorry everyone is so tired... me too! but I have  enough energy to dance all night ! That is so weird to be so tired and have tons of energy!!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 06/11/2006 08:35:52
*le sulk* 8:33am.....
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 06/11/2006 08:43:02
Me too, I thought with everything that happened and no sleep the last couple nights, that maybe I could crash earlir but ther is no sign of sleep! I am so sorry.. you either.. Have the kids got off to school.. I hope you find a poit to dose off for a couple hours, I am thinking of putting in a tape a friend loaned me a Shirley Maclaine video to watch, I love her!Shirley Maclaine that is.. My friend is great to, but thats not what I meant! I hope your day goes well.
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 06/11/2006 08:49:49
Yep, the kids have gone off to school and I am going out of my mind !

I love Shirley Maclaine too.
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 06/11/2006 09:03:11
I lost my mind years ago...think I left it near a vending machine when I was 12 !!...it probably got thrown away with the rest of the trash !!....

Think I'll go and bang my head on the wall.....!!..keep an ear out for a 'hollow' sound !!

Thanks Karen.....

You should get some sleep...at least go to bed !!...you've still got most the night left haven't you ?

Be well...speak later

Hugs
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 06/11/2006 09:08:23
Sorry, I was just talking to keep busy I can't sleep either! Its 2:00 am.. Just not tired enough to sleep.. and I kind of thought that was what this thread was for..bye
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 06/11/2006 17:04:42
I want to sleep now that it is 11am....i need to go get a tire for vehicle...but cannnot move...one eye is in rebellion right now...
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 06/11/2006 20:06:32
What frustrates me is that when I do go to sleep it is quite literally for five minutes !!...just like we discussed earlier !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 07/11/2006 01:34:40
I've found that approximately 5 minutes of strenuous exercise right before bed helps me sleep like a baby. [;D]

Carolyn
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 07/11/2006 01:49:23
hmmm, there is a show on the news tonight at 10pm for insominacs....I hate I am going to miss it...drats...I will see if I can find it on the internet tonight to give us some imput
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 07/11/2006 03:43:36
Sounds like something we should see, maybe its NEIL ON HIS video.. EHHHH Cool beans!! LOL Can't wait to see that!! I think it is so cool!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 07/11/2006 04:27:30
I do know this much...1 in every 6 Americans suffer from sleep disorders....not just insomina...
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 07/11/2006 04:46:23
 That's good information!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 07/11/2006 21:00:51
Could not find info on that program....arrrgghhh!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2006 06:05:39
Oh well, I still stayed wide awake!!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 08/11/2006 08:48:00
*le sigh et le sulk*

8:45am and a five hour drive ahead of me...oh the joy of it !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2006 16:25:22
Good Luck Sir!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Dr. Praetoria on 14/11/2006 20:58:38
I use Dr. Sahelian's method for better sleep [8)](it works for me)--he suggests--

 "Use sleep relaxation techniques.
Once you are in bed, take a deep breath and gradually let it out. Do this a few times. Then, lightly shake one of your feet, and go back to taking a couple of deep breaths. Lightly shake the other foot and then take a couple of deep breaths. Move up to your legs, hips, arms, neck, muscle around the mouth, eye muscles, etc., while going back to the breath after shaking each body part. Soon you'll be in la la land."
see--http://www.raysahelian.com/sleep.html
Doc
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 15/11/2006 04:43:56
Hmmmm, Thanks Doc!  I am going to try it once I get off this late night shift and see what happens....crossing my fingers
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 30/11/2006 04:23:13
Oh my head !!...4:16am on what would be my third night in a row !!...I've resorted to taking sleepy tabs at this friggin hour !!

About an hour ago..I almost...almost....fell asleep....eyes were heavy...body became numb....I was thinking..."at last...at friggin last"..and then..WHAM !!....that zone went !!...wide awake now....that's...well..how many hours is it now  ?.........I don't know....I had three hours monday night...and been awake since.....

*le sigh et le sulk*
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/11/2006 04:41:15
OH SIR! I knew when I saw you posted here you were taking your sleepy tabs and My face lit up with a huge dang smile... I am so glad you did.. You need to take them sooner! Not wait for three days.. Who am I to talk I won't take medfor sleep at all as it makes me feel like crude and most interfere with other meds I take! Happy that you are going to sleep! Be well and sleep well!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 30/11/2006 04:45:37
I only took one tablet mam....thing is..after three days I should not need any....still...lets hope the one kicks in soon and i can get a few hours...

THANK YOU for your concern Karen Mam....I also hope you sleep well and that you feel real better..

Hugs Ewe

Shmishes ewe too.
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 30/11/2006 04:56:59
Think I might be getting drowsy !!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/11/2006 05:08:07
Please sleep well. Thanks for the hugs and kisses. Kisses and hugs back to you..Goodnight  Sir!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 30/11/2006 05:13:36
night night mam...gonna turn in now....thank ewe
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/11/2006 05:20:19
Goodnight Neil I hope all goes well sweet dreams Eh? Your welcome...Have a good day tomorrow!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/12/2006 07:56:06
Well, not the least bit tired tonight, must have been all the sleep I had the last three nights.. slept hard and long three nights in a row.. miracle.. I think work stres has been much and I needed a break!! I miss my kiddies!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/12/2006 18:11:59
3:12 am.. can't sleep! Tried to make christmas card failed miserably! took 50 or more pictures only two took they were lousy! will try again... hate new camera to complicated for me little brain! Buttons are awkward and I suck as a photographer! LOL  Deleted two ugly shots! Took 30 minutes to delet two pictures!!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 23/12/2006 09:20:31
09:10am...*le sigh*
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 23/12/2006 10:25:34
Ho Hum !!..I just went and bought some drill bits to fix back the curtain rail sophie pulled down last night..I never realised shops were open at 10am ..LOL....Oh happy Days !!!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/12/2006 16:56:48
LOL Have them hanging from the curtains literally eh?
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 30/12/2006 20:06:29
LOL Have them hanging from the curtains literally eh?

Hi karen mam....me hasn'nt got round to fixing them darn curtains yet !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 30/12/2006 21:15:08
You know how those little monkies can be.. there always climbing and hanging off something you know!!
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Post by: neilep on 30/12/2006 23:43:20
You know how those little monkies can be.. there always climbing and hanging off something you know!!

You are right !!..I will have to butter their chimpy paws !
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/12/2006 00:34:25
I slept for about an hour today, woke with bad dream in my head.. 4 days and 1 hr.. I am so tired..

Yeah, the butter should do it, then they will be finding the kitchen floor quite a lot of fun .. Skiing in the house! LOL LOL!!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/12/2006 20:33:46
Well I finally slept almost 7 HRS.. I can't, believe it. Went to bed at 3:15 AM And woke at 10:00 am... YAYYYYYYYYYY!
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Post by: neilep on 31/12/2006 22:48:48
Wow !!..amazing !!!..congratulations Karen mam..

7 hours is awesome...!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 31/12/2006 23:43:11
It was the most sleep for a while.. Now I feel Like I overslept! How are you sleeping? Are you getting any?
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 02/01/2007 07:06:29
I slept 6hrs and had a headache when I woke up...aagghh! 
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 02/01/2007 07:54:02
That is a good stretch, But I am sorry you had such a headache when you awoke! I hate those headaches, usually mine are migraines when I wake with them! Feel better loretta!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 02/01/2007 13:10:26
I felt great 2hrs later, it went away....(I don't take that nasty over the counter medicine...it makes me realize eat more almonds...I have been on the cashew thing during the day along with my dried fruit as a healthier choice of snack
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 03/01/2007 07:09:06
Hi guys...just joined this site after reading this thread....im a fellow insomniac and have struggled with it for the past 5 or so years and its really starting to take the piss....

I feel sorry for you Neil for having to cope with for 36yrs , i feel like im heading in ur direction but i hope i have it sorted soon...

My problem is not being able to get to sleep, once im asleep then its not a problem but its just getting myself to switch off....and that just doesnt seem to happen...its nearly 7 in the morning and ive gone another night with f-all sleep and this is day 2 this week that this has happened...

i feel like ive tried everything under the sun but nothing seems to help, been to docs loadsa a times but theyre useless...like to give out the pills but id rather not go down that route if i can help...tried anti-histamines, z-drugs, antidepressants which btw made me feel depressed day after!!!...doctors just seem to think ur depreessed or stress but i refuse to accept, if i was gullible and a hyperchondriac then id easily believe them and start thinkin im depressed but i refuse to...im quite a chilled out person but having so much time on ur hands messes with ur head and causes u to feel low!!..

i wish someone could come up with a way to install an on and off button to the side of my head so i cud switch off!!....

atleast ive not got work tomorrow , i mean today so when sleep does come , if it does then i can get some...

anyways sorry about the long rant but had to get it outta the system....

anyways id like say a BIG HELLO to everyone here and hopefully can learn abt other ppls experiences etc....Neil u seem very interesting to me...so hope to find out a bit about u too...not in a stalker kinda way tho!! :o)

take care and sleep well if u can....if not join the club!!!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/01/2007 07:32:48
Zwitterion welcome to the group and hope you have a restful day tomorrow and that sleep finds you well!  Hope mine has been mostly off and on for 15 years but here and there as a younger teenager but not to a bad extent then.. mostly became real intense 15 years ago or so!  Good luck to you..and welcome!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 05/01/2007 00:15:06
thanks karen...so what do u put your insomnia down to?....and what treatments have u tried?

i've got yet another gp appointment tomorrow, this time im going to be assertive and ask to be referred to a specialist...doubt there will be anybody local but im willing to travel....its time i sort this out rather than being a zombie for the rest of my life...

Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 05/01/2007 01:26:46
Problems from my childhood.. Things I am still trying to deal with, It has gotten worse over the years! worry anxiety panic, you name it! I have had doctor appointments to try to fix it.. but they only want to medicate, I choose to not do anything and let my body just deal with it.. I hate medicines.. Only take them if I am forced to..

I hope your appointment tomorrow is fruitful! Yes I hope you are able to sort it out!! I truly do..Good luck!
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 06/01/2007 20:42:53
Hey really sorry to hear abt ur problems, must be difficult for you! Have u given up now trying to sort it out?

i completely understand abt medication, im the same hate taking them, i end up feeling worse the next day when i do than if i dont have any sleep. Not sure why my sleeping problems started, never was one to go to bed on time as a kid, so i think years of going to bed has taken its toll and its just got worse. i wouldnt say i have any particular problems which make it worse....i guess the fact im not sleeping and feeling like a zombie all the time seems to be my biggest problem at the mo.

Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 06/01/2007 21:09:49
 Yes I have given up.. I will live with it.. When I spent all my time stressing about how little sleep I was getting I felt worse.. so I try to be chipper and am always trying to be nice instead of grumpy.. that has been the big hurdle.. Because lack of sleep sometimes makes one feel way less then human.. I am sure you know what I mean... 

Feeling like a zombie is horrible but I feel it as well most all the time. Some times I get a burst of energy and cannot imagine where it comes from.. but when it does boy does that make me feel good as it is few a nd far between for those lovely bursts!! LOL ! I hope you do well!! How did YOUR appointment go the other day?? What did  they say about helping you?
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 07/01/2007 01:35:57
i know what u mean about the "high" days ....its wierd really coz sometimes when i get up and not necessarily when ive had alot of sleep i'll be chirpy all day and nothing in the world can get me down...but most days are just really hard to get thru...and to get motivated about things...

doctors appt went o.k, his got me going to see a psychiatrist altho i told him that i didnt really have any issues which may require a psychiatrist. becoz there are no sleep specialist locally they cant justify sending me to one straight away so i have to do see the psych to eliminate that first....

i also told him about a refloxology session i had, i tried it as one of my friends suggested it , unfortunately i still struggled to sleep that night but the person who did it said my hormone levels were not balanced therefore ill be getting that tested on monday.....

Karen do u find when u go on holiday that ur sleeping habits change?

ur right about the mind over matter aspect....u have to tell urself to be happy and be nice rather than be grumpy....im usually very quiet after a very bad night and dont really socialise much...but i do find that when ppl do start talkign to me it does help and it does help me be a bit less grumpy altho some ppl are still annoying!! :o)

I do get some weeks where ill sleep like a baby and feel great...but the wierd thing is i actually miss the time i get to myself during the night....do u find that?
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 07/01/2007 04:25:05
i know what u mean about the "high" days ....its wierd really coz sometimes when i get up and not necessarily when ive had alot of sleep i'll be chirpy all day and nothing in the world can get me down...but most days are just really hard to get thru...and to get motivated about things...

doctors appt went o.k, his got me going to see a psychiatrist altho i told him that i didnt really have any issues which may require a psychiatrist. becoz there are no sleep specialist locally they cant justify sending me to one straight away so i have to do see the psych to eliminate that first....

i also told him about a refloxology session i had, i tried it as one of my friends suggested it , unfortunately i still struggled to sleep that night but the person who did it said my hormone levels were not balanced therefore ill be getting that tested on monday.....

Karen do u find when u go on holiday that ur sleeping habits change?

ur right about the mind over matter aspect....u have to tell urself to be happy and be nice rather than be grumpy....im usually very quiet after a very bad night and dont really socialise much...but i do find that when ppl do start talkign to me it does help and it does help me be a bit less grumpy altho some ppl are still annoying!! :o)

I do get some weeks where ill sleep like a baby and feel great...but the wierd thing is i actually miss the time i get to myself during the night....do u find that?


Yes those days where I am cheery I am grateful. I try to make everyday that way but I must admit Lately I have a hard time being cheerful.. More emotional then anything.. I wonder if some of the emotional part is my age.. Have some stressful things happening right now.. they are not helping my sleep any that's for sure!

Well I hope the Psychiatrist can help some.. You never know!

I don't know anything about reflexology what exactly do they do?

Well I know this sounds weird, but, I have never in my life gone away anywhere for holiday.. I wouldn't know what to do with myself.. I do find that on overnight trips, I am more relaxed.. which is weird. Also during really really terrible storms I sleep like a baby for longer periods.. so strange.. I have tried the storm tapes etc. but there is nothing like a real storm.. I think it has to do with the very real electricity in the air, the moisture the whole thing..

Yeah I find the same thing with the grumpys.. Thats when I need some alone time.. but not too much.. I would rather have a hug and just lie quietly in a set of warm arms.. Thats a laugh these days..

I always miss my time to myself.. if I sleep longer then usual I find a deep sense of loss for that time I lost.. It is weird isn't it!!  I think you get used to it and then you need it to wind down and relax, even if thats all you can do..

Well Good luck tonight I wish you restful sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 08/01/2007 13:28:04
sorry to hear about ur problems, stress is never good for insomnia.  I think sometimes u have to think mind over matter and try to be positive about life no matter how bad it is....especially things outside ur control...altho its easier said than done!

I'm no expert on reflexology, but the theory goes something like, all nerves in ur body end in ur feet so a reflexologist by massaging ur feet can identify any problems u have with ur body. I went a few months ago and was quite surprised when he managed to figure out my backache and dizzyness which i sometimes feel in the morning without me telling him. Im still a sceptic though!



Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/01/2007 16:07:07
HUmmmm.. Reflexology.. I think I would be inclined to agree with that theory!! I believe your feet are a big part of your health.. If you keep them healthy then they will aid you too. I know it is one of the ways I liked to relax years ago.. to have a foot massage.....My hubby hates touching feet so he doesn't accomodate that.. I had to buy a foot bath massager years ago.. but it doesn't work very well. There is nothing like a real massage..

  That's pretty amazing!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/01/2007 15:34:29
Have been Rambling around the house all night.. Now back on computer . I have run out of things to do so kept fire going all night. It is 26 degrees outside on my porch and It's snow white outside. Solid frozen everything. They are expecting snow here for two days down to sea level.. I hope it snows really hard. We rarely see it here this low. It would be beautiful. I love it more then the kids.. makes me happy!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 12/01/2007 05:03:03
Hiya Zwitterion!  My doctor prescibed several sleep aids for me.  The last one over 2 years ago was Ambien...I just hate the way they make me feel when I wake up. 

Karen, we are supposed to get a bit of snow, but it will only melt as it floats down...we are at 60 degrees farenheit...the likely hood of it staying...perhaps not...ground is too hot!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/01/2007 05:13:53
It started snowing a couple hours ago.. in Eureka.. We are expecting it to get colder and drop us with some more beautiful flakes tonight.. It is so cold right now! Fire is blazing, but it is freezing still!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 12/01/2007 05:26:06
brrrr, shivering as you type!  LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/01/2007 05:50:01
yep it is cold... 20 something.. I is not going out to check again.. Freezing...I have my coat and hat on and am rotating my hand warmer from one hand to the other.. I need electric socks and pajamas...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 12/01/2007 06:15:34
i miss snow!!...we didnt get any this year in the UK, well we didnt in the north anyway.

Hi Moonfire...hope ur well!

Ive had another crap night, its 06:00 in the morning and still no sleep....its really getting to me at the moment...its not just the sleep tho, its the amount of time u have to do not a lot...tonight ive spent the time watching telly, listening to music and some exercise...what does all u fellow insomniacs do during the night...think i might go for a bit of a drive before the rush hour kicks in!!

have fun in the snow karen and moonfire...whereabts in the US are u?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 12/01/2007 06:37:05
Hiya Zwitterion...I am well, tired, but well...Hopefully I can go to bed at 3am?  How are you?  Sorry about your sleepless night.  Well, before my son came back home, I would rearrange my furniture in the living room, create some things...LOL (Long story) Work on my Business Plan as I plan to go back into business selling parts to two different industries....read books, play on the computer..sometimes it is harder as I have 2 jobs and on the computer all the time...research info...that is about it...not much tv as it is boring to me unless it is discovery, nova, documentaries...

Snow in the Dallas/Fort Worth area is not good...as the people drive on the roads, you would not think there was anything on them.  We have 2 days of black ice and it usually will result in about a 600 or more accidents.  We may not have snow as we had one day of snow in November....which was quite early for us as this is usually the timeframe when we get our first snow...I prefer rain...lots of rain...everytime it rains and I am at work...everyone is mad, but I am so happy!  LOL  It is my favourite element...storm diamonds....(people still drive nuts on the road here when it rains...you would not believe how many accidents there are from it...also, we have the 2nd highest insurance rates in the USA because of the "wonderful driving methods"(madness)

I am in Irving, Texas....between Dallas and Fort Worth.  Have you ever been to the states?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/01/2007 06:42:19
We always have to travel several miles up the mountain to get to snow. I am excited like the kids about it. I hate being cold... But me loves the snow..

Now as for what I do when I can't sleep. I am usually on the net here in the forum or reading, watching funny stuff on TV as realistic stuff like he news and currant scary crap on Tv makes my insomnia worse.  I listen to music old records tapes cds, and watch old old movies..Play solatary or scrabble against myself! LOL sing songs I like accappelle,Dance with My vacumn cleaner.. lay awake in bed for hours tossing and turning.. constantly try to get warm as I always get cold at night fully clothed. Take hot showers and bathes to try to relax..work on projects I want to do with me school children.. Play with programs on my computer! etc. etc. etc. LOL Be safe on your drive!! I wish for white thick snow soon.. I want a ton not just a dribble!! YIPPPPPEEEEE!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 12/01/2007 06:45:32
I am the opposite of Karen, I do not wish for tons of snow as people drive like idiots here!  In fact, I should write a book on Driving in Texas for Idiots 101...just kidding...oh, yeah, I do write poetry and short stories sometimes...not much poetry lately as a little dribble of stupidity on here...it is for amusement purposes only and not serious "stuff"
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/01/2007 12:18:20
Well Here it is 4:06 AM and I still can't sleep. I have layed for hours trying to. Now I have been wandering around the house trying to find things to do.. Stayed in my own room for hours tonight as I had a hose full of company.. The house is full because My son His girlfriend and two others were snowed in and could not get home tonight.. THey are awaiting the snow plow in the morning in order to get home.. Son flipped his Jeep the other night coming off the mountain, The snow plow was going up and he was coming down in wheel drive and they almost took each other out! So he swerved ,( to his own side of the road, on both counts, and went off the bank and flipped his jeep over on its side.  They got a group of fellow mountain dwellers to help right the jeep. He bent a small piece if his frame around the soft top and the window front passenger side. They had 10 inches of hardpack the other night and it was snowing again earlier, so they chose to stay as in the evenings,the roads are so icy even with 4 wheel drive going up the mountain. He needs a set of chains!

Anyway still can't sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 15/01/2007 01:12:22
wow...that is some snow now...I like to have snowball fights in it, snow shoes, and that is about it...maybe slide in it with a nice sled...hmmmm, haven't did that in years...well, I do live in Texas now....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/01/2007 03:24:42
Snow is on the hill above me. we did not get enough to stay!! Son had plenty!! Would love to go play in it! Bob bought a 4wheel drive truck and I think I will ask him to take me up to the snow to visit it!! LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/01/2007 03:36:09
Still not sleepy But wherever Neil is now I hope you are trying to get some sleep to.. You too Zwitterion.. I hope your evening brought you some rest!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 15/01/2007 04:59:43
Snow is on the hill above me. we did not get enough to stay!! Son had plenty!! Would love to go play in it! Bob bought a 4wheel drive truck and I think I will ask him to take me up to the snow to visit it!! LOL

sounds like fun!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 15/01/2007 05:00:45
i am with karen, ditto
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/01/2007 16:24:00
Well, I slept two hours last night read for 2hours and tossed for several to no avail. Two was All I was meant to have.. BOO HOO!  I guess I will try later.. That's usually a big fat flop too, especially these days. I used to greatly enjoy naps and had no trouble taking them. I used to just close my eyes and boom back to sleep at noon. Gone are those days for sure!! Oh well! I did love a good nap!!! Sometimes when I am very sick I can nap, I wonder why then and not when I am well??
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 16/01/2007 05:09:28
Awww, I hate sleepless nights....I had about 3 hrs last night...2am until 5am...tried to sleep but phone kept ringing...hmmm, that is a good question...maybe your body is telling you, you must sleep to recouperate correctly...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 16/01/2007 05:19:15
Probably so. Hope you get more tonight!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 16/01/2007 05:21:00
You too....I want you to have rest too...something money can't buy is our rest!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 16/01/2007 06:25:58
Boy you can say that again.. My sleep has gotten progressively worse, but strangely enough my blood pressure has dropped off from a previous 220 over 110 something like that to 118 over 80.. so I guess I am doing really good. stress is just exasperating the sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 16/01/2007 06:37:07
wow...that is great!  Boy, that is quotable!  stress is exasperating as sleep...hmmmm
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 16/01/2007 07:17:59
 I meant the sleeplessness. LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 16/01/2007 21:55:39
Ohhhh, that is even better
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 17/01/2007 03:41:30
Yeah it didn't make sense the other way!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 17/01/2007 16:48:37
Well, I slept pretty good last night and feel much better today. I had 4 hours and feel much better. I hope everyone slept well!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 28/01/2007 15:45:50
 Here it is 7:43 Am and no sleep again... well. I guess I will make a run at the day and sleep tonight I hope!!Good morning to us and goodafternoon to you al in the UK and other areas..!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 28/01/2007 16:06:11
So sorry you're still awake Karen...hope you find some rest soon.

Karen ...over the years.....what time do you go to bed ?..what is your routine for night time ?




I am due to be interviewed for a psychology magazine soon..regarding my insomnia........perhaps when it done I will ask permission to re-print it here...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 28/01/2007 16:17:19
Well as a five year old through about 7th grade, I did not get to sleep until about 2 am, although me mom put us to bed at 7:30 then 8:00pm until about 8th grade.. I used to lie awake listening to Johnny carson untill 1:00 or 1:30 am then I would listen to the old clock bang away the time at around 2 and sometimes later. Usually once I went to sleep I would be up by 6:30 am for school. weekends were different I could sleep until 12:00 or 1:00 pm no problem.. Up until 15 or so years ago, i was off and on.. hit and miss. The last at least ten its been more miss then hit. I usually just keep going.. can't sleep so why keep trying.. I have restless leg syndrome which sometimes antagonises it and makes it worse..

Around two or 3:00 on a good night. these days..not today..

Yes, you should print it! 
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 28/01/2007 16:51:12
I can relate to the restless leg syndrome....LOL...most times
 it's restless body syndrome too !!..I must  travel a  few miles a night !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 28/01/2007 17:01:37
Yep, it makes me one antsy gal.. I feel as if I am having dts or something, what you might think and alcoholic would experience. feels like creepy crawlies all up and down my legs. like the blood is racing around in my lower limbs... oooooh! Just makes me shiver

Me too, I can't stay layed down when this occurs. thinking about it.. I am grateful it doesn't happen evry night...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 29/01/2007 03:17:52
Well now it's 707 and still no sign of

             Mr. Sandman...

Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream (bung, bung, bung, bung)
Make him the cutest that I've ever seen (bung, bung, bung, bung)
Give him two lips like roses and clover (bung, bung, bung, bung)
Then tell him that his lonesome nights are over.
Sandman, I'm so alone
Don't have nobody to call my own
Please turn on your magic beam
Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream.

"bung, bung, bung, bung"

Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream
Make him the cutest that I've ever seen
Give him the word that I'm not a rover
Then tell him that his lonesome nights are over.
Sandman, I'm so alone
Don't have nobody to call my own
Please turn on your magic beam
Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream.

"bung, bung, bung, bung"

Mr. Sandman (male voice: "Yesss?") bring us a dream
Give him a pair of eyes with a "come-hither" gleam
Give him a lonely heart like Pagliacci
And lots of wavy hair like Liberace
Mr Sandman, someone to hold (someone to hold)
Would be so peachy before we're too old
So please turn on your magic beam
Mr Sandman, bring us, please, please, please
Mr Sandman, bring us a dream.

"bung, bung, bung, bung"


Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 29/01/2007 03:18:39
OH MY GAWWWWD I LOVE THAT OLD SONG>>>> LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Hadrian on 29/01/2007 13:28:31
i posted some info on Insomnia that you might find intresting Karen on the Activity4life forum. link (http://activity4life.com/forum/index.php?topic=120.msg465#msg465)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 29/01/2007 16:36:00
Thanks Hadrian.. I will definitely read it too! Thank you!!

Well after 45 hrs awake I finaly was able to get almost 4hrs down and asleep....I am so tired..Why doesn't someone just knock me up side the head..get it over with...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 30/01/2007 01:27:26
Awww, poor thing...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/01/2007 03:21:41
 No worries was just a bit grumpy this morning too tired I feel fine now, but not tired again..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 30/01/2007 04:05:24
Take it easy...you have to with your health...I forgot to mention it in the diary...Hope you are better?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/01/2007 04:20:51
 I am, Just need some way to find some peace and sleep...I know the peace part will come sooner or later, but was hoping it would come while I was still enjoying the breathing part! LOL LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 30/01/2007 04:34:27
Have you tried Melantonin?(sp)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/01/2007 04:38:33
 Yep, they tried that for awhile years ago.. no lucky poo. other things tried made me feel like crud, and some I couldn't combine with my meds..at the time.. I am taking different meds these days so I don't know.. I hate tylonol let alone other medications.. I have a hard time taking them...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 31/01/2007 05:32:17
hi Karen...sorry to hear abt your sleeping again...i've had a bad week last week  but this week has been ok so far, fingers crossed!..i think i have found a solution to my sleeping which has worked the last 6-10 times ive tried it...we have this thing call shisha dont know if they have it i the US, its a middle eastern, asian thing where you smoke tobaccao through a water pipe...its done alot in middle eastern countries where its a social thing where mates just go out and have a relaxing evening by doin it....its not illegal by any means...as it seems a bit like it is....but every time ive been ive slept well that night...it makes u sorta light headed so u just want to put ur head down...maybe worth giving it a go....im hoping to get myself one to use at home....
this website might be useful if u want to know what im talking abt
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Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 31/01/2007 05:56:25
We have lounges for that...my son seems to like it...a bit costly though...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/01/2007 06:13:32
Sorry about the zap on your link..
Feel free to send your link to
interested parties,
but no ads please..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/01/2007 06:15:12
 I am glad you have rested and wish I could do the same, but I don't like that sort of thing..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 31/01/2007 07:01:48
hey sorry about that didnt realise....im not affiliated with that webiste in anyway just did a quick google search to let u guys know what i was talking about....oops
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/01/2007 07:35:58
 No worries we all do it.. It's easy to forget and add a link like that!I knew there was nothing malicious or devious  by it, LOL 
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/01/2007 16:52:55
5 hours sleep!!!! YAYYYYYYYYY!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 05/02/2007 01:50:07
Wednesday the First A miracle happened I slept 5 hrs...Thursday a bigger one, happened, I slept from 10:00 pm until 7:00 AM. 9 hours... I cannot tell you how long it has been. And something odd to note .. LOL I forgot to pay my electric bill so neither night were the constant hums of power..The power came back up in the evening..right before I got home from work! The disappointment being I haven't slept since..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 05/02/2007 03:23:55
5 hours !!...then 9 hours !!..incredible.....lets hope you can make it up tonight...amazing !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 05/02/2007 03:40:52
That would be nice.. Have you been getting any sleep at all? Something else.. There is nobody here but me.. I wonder if that effects it?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 05/02/2007 04:25:49
Zwitterion...what was the website...I want to take a look at it!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 05/02/2007 05:41:17
OH dear I zapped it, maybe he will remember..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 05/02/2007 15:04:58
Hi Karen Mam,

LOL....there's no point in asking me if I have been getting any sleep at all !!...

This is my sleeping pattern (generalization)...3 x 1 hours , in other words I do not sleep longer than an hour before waking up , sometimes 15 minutes !...but I average about three hours....then every other night about 1 hour.......about 5 times a month I go without sleep completely....then 3 times a month this expands to about 72 hours give or take.....

day in day out since I was 6........that is it....it's the way it has been...the way it is...and there's no reason to think that it will ever change.....LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 05/02/2007 16:16:02
 I'm sorry , I just keep hoping that just maybe you will get some exra sleep.. I hope they find out some more.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 05/02/2007 16:43:22
Well I was able to procure 3 hours last night. I feel like a zombie, but will live..YAAAAAAYYYYYYYY
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 07/02/2007 01:40:34
 Well I just had an interesting experience, I dozed off in the middle of my posting. I think I might have slept a bit over an hour! LOL, My neck is stiff and sore.. Teach me a lesson...LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 07/02/2007 02:43:43
im having an all nighter tonite!! help!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/02/2007 03:36:26
im having an all nighter tonite!! help!!


Bone Jour !!!....that's quality french right there !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/02/2007 03:38:12
Well I just had an interesting experience, I dozed off in the middle of my posting. I think I might have slept a bit over an hour! LOL, My neck is stiff and sore.. Teach me a lesson...LOL

Some people talk in their sleep, some people walk in their sleep....ti's a good job ewe don't type in your sleep Mam !
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 07/02/2007 04:00:22
NO kidding. I remember a post was bacck in one of the old threads, I fell asleep in the middle of a post and when I woke there were tons of one letter all the way down the post.. I believe I left it there to point out the evils of falling asleep while tying LOL.. I need a pillow. 

Zwitterion, Sorry about the all nighter.. Do you have something to do..?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/02/2007 04:27:05
LOl...it amazes me how ewe can fall asleep like that ...oh hang on.........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...oh my..I just slept for half a second !!..LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 07/02/2007 04:39:01
That looks like me old post.... LOL Amazing... but if i leave to go to bed it shoots my sleep out the window.. LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 07/02/2007 04:49:16
I'm not an insomniac, I just have to finish laundry. [;D]  But you all have my support! [^]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 07/02/2007 08:28:49
 LOL thanks Carolyn!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 07/02/2007 18:01:37
finally got to bed after half 5 to wake up at 7am....well atleast ive made it thru the day!!....not just going to chill and watch the footy from my bed!!....aahhhh,....comeon england!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/02/2007 19:42:13
Come On E N G E R L A N D !!

we're bound to lose !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/02/2007 23:36:00
I hate being right !!!...Spain 1, England 0

Lets face it...we're crap !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 08/02/2007 02:27:49
tell me about it!! and to make matters worse struggling to get any zzzzzzzzzzz'ss again tonight!!...
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/02/2007 04:11:41
Sorry Boys.. Hope for you to sleep as always.. I think I will be awake to, as My head is so stuffed up! Even when I used to sleep, if my head was stuffy, sleep was out of the question.. Hugs you both.. I hope your rest brings sleep and dreams your way... Maybe in the form of tall Blonde nursies... LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 08/02/2007 04:36:37
zzzzzzz, just kidding, I was not asleep...lol I hate insomina!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/02/2007 04:57:44
ME TOO!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 08/02/2007 11:47:04
Sorry Boys.. Hope for you to sleep as always.. I think I will be awake to, as My head is so stuffed up! Even when I used to sleep, if my head was stuffy, sleep was out of the question.. Hugs you both.. I hope your rest brings sleep and dreams your way... Maybe in the form of tall Blonde nursies... LOL

BOYS!! and Blonde nurses!!...well firstly im a gal and proud of it and secondly by blonde nurses i hope u meant nice men!!....although i prefer my dark haired men!!....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 08/02/2007 11:47:23
:o)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 08/02/2007 14:23:49
Sorry Boys.. Hope for you to sleep as always.. I think I will be awake to, as My head is so stuffed up! Even when I used to sleep, if my head was stuffy, sleep was out of the question.. Hugs you both.. I hope your rest brings sleep and dreams your way... Maybe in the form of tall Blonde nursies... LOL


When I succumbed to half an hour of zzzzzzzzzzz'sville ..I dreamed a was given a bed bath by a tall blonde Giraffe !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 08/02/2007 14:37:46
so Neil how do u cope with a life struggling to sleep?....im off work today feeling awful due to lack of sleep.....do u work?
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/02/2007 17:01:57
Sorry Zweitterion, I never looked at your profile.. did not know you were a she, Apologies. Yes then Perhaps tall Dark hansome Nurse..LOL

A tall Blonde Giraffe eh?? LOL LOL You crack me up...hee hee!!


Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 08/02/2007 17:42:22
so Neil how do u cope with a life struggling to sleep?....im off work today feeling awful due to lack of sleep.....do u work?


Zwitterion. yes I do work... I am a jewellery designer....well..in that I mean..I assist couples to design their own rings and then we manufacture them for them. It's a really nice business, dealing with people who are celebrating !
We work in yellow gold, white gold, platinum and all manner of precious stones....

....as far as coping !!...well...I have HAD to cope !!..with me it is one of total acceptance and resignation to the fact that this is my life......In the early years through my teens and early twenty's it was not like this.....I would regularly 'lose the plot' lose my temper...break things...hurt myself....it screwed up my education..there was no support from the school...though they knew of my situation.......nowadays...circumstances like that are very very rare where I would lose it...............If I had not accepted my situation then I would probably not be here right now....it is just a matter of dealing with the tiredness as best as I can and knowing that I am to be like this.

It is NOT easy for people (perhaps like yourself) who may be going through a (hopeful) temporal phase of insomnia.....and so I can fully understand how awful it is for you.....I Know it to be awful and it does not take long for me to put myself in your position....it's all too easy in fact to let go and start getting manic !


How do you cope ?...are you seeing the doctor ?...do you have sleepy tabs ?..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 08/02/2007 18:35:40
i really feel for you...

I really struggle to cope and at the moment seriously struggling, im in my 20's and have been suffering for 6 years now...no idea how i managed to get my degree and the fact that im still working and sane baffles me as its sooo difficult!!

people dont realise how hard it is...its so hard to get motivated, or care about anything when u dont sleep even if it is something that your normally passionate about, having to wake up in the morning and go to work is soo hard, im actually thinking whether i want to continue working coz doind 9-5pm is close to impossible for me...even tho my manager has been pretty good about it...but still feel awful about not being able to get to work on time.

I hate feeling stupid....i struggle to think , understand things, answer relatively easy questions at work, feels like evrythings working against you!!...the worse thing is everytime i plan things i end up having to cancel coz im too tired and just not in the mood....i try not to plan anything now rather than having to let ppl down all the time.

yes ive seen the docs number of times...just the gp....and they dont have a clue about insomnia , they just assume your depressed which im not...tried a number of tablets even tho i rarely use to take tablets...they referred me to a psych dept to have my case looked at but i didnt bother going thru with it as i feel this isnt my problem...had blood tests etc done a number of times and every time they come back perfect...which normally id be happy with but i desperately need a reason for why im screwed in the head!!

in terms of what ive tried...well it'd be easier to list what i havent, u name it ive tried it....currently taking amityp...tabs which do work but have a major hangover effect which is worse than the insomnia itself...i wanna see a sleep specialist but docs dont have a clue abt who or where i can go...

as for how i cope , very badly,,,completely understand when you talk about losing your temper, breaking things, wanting to hurt yourself...and having to fight all that is so hard!....its the time u have to kill every night which is also difficult...resort to the internet, tv...or a long drive at mad hours in the morning...foot down in your car helps!!

only positive i can think of is when i do sleep well im on a high all day....its an amazing feeling, your head feels clear, your mind feels fresh and u feel nothingin the world can bring you down...but those days are few and far between....i wanna get rid of this insommnia its the worse thing ive had to cope with......


sorry about the long post but its really getting to me at the mo hence the big whinge!!

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 08/02/2007 19:14:52
i really feel for you...

I really struggle to cope and at the moment seriously struggling, im in my 20's and have been suffering for 6 years now...no idea how i managed to get my degree and the fact that im still working and sane baffles me as its sooo difficult!!

people dont realise how hard it is...its so hard to get motivated, or care about anything when u dont sleep even if it is something that your normally passionate about, having to wake up in the morning and go to work is soo hard, im actually thinking whether i want to continue working coz doind 9-5pm is close to impossible for me...even tho my manager has been pretty good about it...but still feel awful about not being able to get to work on time.

I hate feeling stupid....i struggle to think , understand things, answer relatively easy questions at work, feels like evrythings working against you!!...the worse thing is everytime i plan things i end up having to cancel coz im too tired and just not in the mood....i try not to plan anything now rather than having to let ppl down all the time.

yes ive seen the docs number of times...just the gp....and they dont have a clue about insomnia , they just assume your depressed which im not...tried a number of tablets even tho i rarely use to take tablets...they referred me to a psych dept to have my case looked at but i didnt bother going thru with it as i feel this isnt my problem...had blood tests etc done a number of times and every time they come back perfect...which normally id be happy with but i desperately need a reason for why im screwed in the head!!

in terms of what ive tried...well it'd be easier to list what i havent, u name it ive tried it....currently taking amityp...tabs which do work but have a major hangover effect which is worse than the insomnia itself...i wanna see a sleep specialist but docs dont have a clue abt who or where i can go...

as for how i cope , very badly,,,completely understand when you talk about losing your temper, breaking things, wanting to hurt yourself...and having to fight all that is so hard!....its the time u have to kill every night which is also difficult...resort to the internet, tv...or a long drive at mad hours in the morning...foot down in your car helps!!

only positive i can think of is when i do sleep well im on a high all day....its an amazing feeling, your head feels clear, your mind feels fresh and u feel nothingin the world can bring you down...but those days are few and far between....i wanna get rid of this insommnia its the worse thing ive had to cope with......


sorry about the long post but its really getting to me at the mo hence the big whinge!!



NO apology needed for the long post.

Like you..I will not even start to list the number of treatments I have had since I was 6....suffice it to say it's long....not just drugs..but diets, threapies, treatments...etc etc etc...

Where are you in the UK ?...There are two hospitals that I know  of (In London)that have sleeping disorders clinics !..I've been to both of course. My problem is that nothing works and most specialists are dumbfounded when it comes to such a chronic case as my own .

My drug of choice (when I need it) is Nitrazepam...it works for me if I need it....and that is only if I have an early start the following morning.

The good thing about my work is that I see people mostly in the evenings when they are both at home after work.

I am not surprised about your doctor virtually shrugging their shoulders !!..it's not their fault...Insomnia for some reason is not deemed worthy of the research and is just not treated seriously. Seems to me you are being treated for the symptoms and not the cause.

There was  a drug I remember reading in the paper years ago...I can't remember the exact name but I think it was Sonata.....it was heralded as a wonder drug as it worked quickly and leaves you with no hangover !!..Nitrazepam does by the way..it is strong...and not available in the US. So, armed with the paper clipping I went to my GP who prescribed it...unfortunately it sent my heart rate pacing ..so that was the end of that.


Most people seem to relate the start of their insomnia to an event...so..what happened to you six years ago ?...anything at all of note ?

Do NOT feel alone in your angst and suffering at night...I know it feels awful...I know you know that.


I am still surprised that your doctors do not know of anyone to refer you to....I would have thought a ' sleep study ' would have been done by now....especially after 6 years !!....unless of curse you live out in the sticks somewhere.

Keep on whinging....especially if it helps you vent some frustration....that's what THIS thread is for...........
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 09/02/2007 00:04:55
hey thanks Neil...it helps to hear from other ppl out there who are going thru the same thing as you, just makes u feel a bit more normal...

Im a northern gal up in yorkshire...but to be honest even though ive suffered for 6 years ive never been one to go to doctors...and i guess i felt a bit stupid to a certain extent going to the docs about not being able to sleep for the best part of 4 years....but now its just taking the piss...

as for something happening 6 years ago....nothing really...im surprisingly quite a chilled out person altho thats hard to notice these days i dont usually let alot of things get to me...most things just past me by...thing with having so much time to think is that any issues u do have,....u end up going thru them in ur head like a million times so before u know it it becomes a major problem...

do u know of any sleep clinics up north?...only ones i know of is the one in London and edinburgh which is too far too travel but im getting desperate so if i could convince my doc to get referred then id be willing to make a trip..

i believe my problem is probably due to an actual sleep disorder rather than a psychological thing although with it going on for so long i think its going to become a psychological issue....as its really driving me maad!!

its so frustrating when your mind, personality, relationships, physical state suffer and u have no control...it just controls ur life and u cant do anything about it...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 09/02/2007 02:12:12
quarter past 2 and counting..................
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 09/02/2007 02:44:44
Hi Zwitty,

I'm afraid I do not know of any sleep clinics up North...I'm a London lad so all my treatments have been down here.

One thing I will say to you is this.

If you don't do anything about it then you'll only stagnate !!....and don't you dare think you are stupid about going to the doctors !!..you are suffering right ?...you are feeling down, miserable, depressed, friggin fed up !!!......You have a genuine bona-fide reason right there to go to your GP and insist that you get referred to see someone.

What about meditation ?..hypnotherapy ?..homeopathic treatments ?.....Listen..if you don't treat it seriously then how do you expect the doctors to ?...and when you go...do NOT play it down !!..big it up !!...really really say how awful you are feeling !!...Insist upon some help !!...that's why we pay this national Insurance !!...and if you don't get anywhere then get a second opinion from another doctor at the practice !!

Hey !!.London isn't all that far....I drive up to Durham every six months...and it takes about 5-6 hours !..you can train it in 3-4  !......please don't give up and DO insist that your doctor refers you....bu he will only take you seriously if you convince him/her.

You just indicated how bad it is for you in your last sentence......I want you tomorrow to make an appointment at your GP...just do it !!...and when you go...you go with the premise that you're gonna get a result !!

2:45am and counting !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 09/02/2007 04:38:18
I am really sorry for the discomfort and misery. I know how you feel.. Most of my days anymore feel like that.. I have decided I am just not going to think about it anymore as it drives me crazy.. Hope tomorrow is a bright one!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 09/02/2007 05:12:57
thanks for ur response once again...ok Neil i'll book an appointment tomorrow.....

05.15 and counting....gotta start work at 8:00am  :o(

hope everyone had a good day!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 09/02/2007 05:15:27
btw a while back i read about modafinil...used for narcolepsy treatment....helps ppl stay up and feel alive...anyone thought of taking (harder) stimulants such as these to get thru the day after a crap night...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 09/02/2007 05:22:59
Good Girl Zwitty,

I've never thought about an alternative drug in years. I would certainly be willing to give modafinil a try.....perhaps a stimulant through the day is what is needed to get you asleep at night.

I just wonder if it's like treating the symptoms rather than the cause....if you know what I mean.

I don't expect it would be prescribed without detailed investigation though.

05:22....*le sigh*
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 09/02/2007 05:33:32
yeah your right....it is treating the symptom but atleast u feel alive rather than half dead!!...

i usually live on diet pepsi, red-bull and pro-plus tabs to get me thru the day....but not enough stimulant to be honest....

so when do u reckon you will get to sleep today?

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 09/02/2007 05:36:50
I am amazed we are all still up... Its early for me..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 09/02/2007 05:37:45
what time is it where you are Karen
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 09/02/2007 05:38:33
I am amazed we are all still up... Its early for me..

Hi Karen Mam,

Hope you find some relief also...hugs ewe
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 09/02/2007 05:42:50
yeah your right....it is treating the symptom but atleast u feel alive rather than half dead!!...

i usually live on diet pepsi, red-bull and pro-plus tabs to get me thru the day....but not enough stimulant to be honest....

so when do u reckon you will get to sleep today?






You are taking in quite a lot of stimulant though.....do you take pro plus and red bulls, pepsi every day ?

*le sigh*...I know I will be awake until at least 9am....though......I am shattered right now...

I feel awful that you need to be at work soon............could you not.....well.. ...sneakily call in sick or something ?......just for today....?...what do you do ?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 09/02/2007 05:45:10
 Thanks Neil, Hugs you too! How are you today.. Is everything going to work out with that set of rings? I hope so. Today was a dilly at work.. kids had lots of energy to burn.. But they were very good kiddies considering the volume of the group today! LOL They were in LOud mode!! Very Loud!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 09/02/2007 05:49:19
lol...i was off sick yesterday as i was seriously feeling crap...im shattered now but think i should be able to get thru the day today!!...esp since ive got some work to finish off!

im an industrial chemist which isnt good as im handling hazardous chemicals everyday....but i guess when your always sleep deprived u learn to concentrate more on tasks just to make sure your doing things right....

i take atleast one from the list everyday or a cocktail on some days but before u say lose the "uppers" it might help u sleep ...i have tried that for over 4 months and no difference!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 09/02/2007 05:56:09
 Yeah, if I drank all that stuff I would absolutly never sleep!I already get very little.. so I am careful about caffiene and such.. I am also allergic to it!! LOL so it has to be very limited..or I become a big big itchy thing constantly scratching....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 09/02/2007 06:00:15
anyways hope u guys have a good day and sleep well (Neil)!....im going to go for a bit of a drive and then get some shopping done at the local asda before work...

take care...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 09/02/2007 06:26:54
You have a good day too!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 10/02/2007 19:19:19
some news for us sleep deprived ppl....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6347043.stm
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/02/2007 19:43:28
some news for us sleep deprived ppl....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6347043.stm

This I took from your link.. many of these things are known already.. !
 

"People who experience a lack of sleep experience concentration problems and other difficulties."

I find this very true in my case also.. many other things they mentioned also.


   
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 10/02/2007 20:46:44
some news for us sleep deprived ppl....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6347043.stm


Oh Great !!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/02/2007 21:05:44
 Its not like we don't already know we have memory problems or trouble concentrating... what the heck is a few less brain cells funtioning eh??? LOL LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 10/02/2007 21:08:52
Its not like we don't already know we have memory problems or trouble concentrating... what the heck is a few less brain cells funtioning eh??? LOL LOL

Sorry...and ewe are ?...............................LOL !
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/02/2007 21:11:08
OH MY GOSH....... I DON"T KNOW.............LOL LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/02/2007 21:13:45
By the way.. The Nokia folks were a royal pain earlier whilst I tried to delete all their multiple posts!!! LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 10/02/2007 21:22:24
its funny how these sleep articles keep coming out just confirming things that we already know...but losing this much sleep cannot be good....

I remember when i had an allnighter and ended up watching telly most of the night, and one of the programs that came on was how to live longer...and while i was shattered and probably on my millionth attempt to catch some zzzzz'z the program tells me that u could shave a number of years of your life if you dont get enough sleep!!....well that was nice!!!!

my uncle told me today that apparently cherries can help u sleep...anyone heard of that?..i'll try googling it sometime....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/02/2007 21:32:32
nope, never heard of cherries doing that.. i will google it some time..

Hey Neil, or anyone else.. do you know of these tablets.. Yesterday the doctor said he wants me to add these to my meds.. LOL It says Rozerem, Rameteon.I am leary about trying them.. I looked them up on net after he wrote it up.. it says they are not addictive and are supposed to boost your serotonin levels.. Have you guys ever used them.. I do not like pills.
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Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 10/02/2007 23:21:53
its funny how these sleep articles keep coming out just confirming things that we already know...but losing this much sleep cannot be good....

I remember when i had an allnighter and ended up watching telly most of the night, and one of the programs that came on was how to live longer...and while i was shattered and probably on my millionth attempt to catch some zzzzz'z the program tells me that u could shave a number of years of your life if you dont get enough sleep!!....well that was nice!!!!

my uncle told me today that apparently cherries can help u sleep...anyone heard of that?..i'll try googling it sometime....



The only way cherries would make me sleep would be if a crate of them fell on my head !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 10/02/2007 23:22:59
nope, never heard of cherries doiny that.. i will goole it some time..

Hey Neil, or anyone else.. do you know of these tablets.. Yesterday the doctor said he wants me to add these to my meds.. LOL It says Rozerem, Rameteon.I am leary about trying them.. I looked them up on net after he wrote it up.. it says they are not addictive and are supposed to boost your serotonin levels.. Have you guys ever used them.. I do not like pills.
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Sorry Karen Mam......never heard of them....me would be inclined to give them a go though...espesh if the doctor prescribed them !!...they sound pretty cool !!..YAYYYYYYYY !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 10/02/2007 23:23:24
Zwitty !!...me bets ewe did not make that appointment eh ?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/02/2007 23:31:56
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 10/02/2007 23:34:19
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

Don't ewe think the doctor knows better than another patients opinion karen mam ?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 11/02/2007 00:28:35
Zwitty !!...me bets ewe did not make that appointment eh ?

O.K i confess i didnt...i did try ringing three times and once they didnt pick up and the other 2 it was engaged!!...and i gave up then!!

i just dont want to go again and find that they cant do anything for me and have another failed attempt at trying to sort it out!!...i know i shouldnt think like that but cant help it...and your right about playing up your symptoms but i just cant u know...i have found a sleep clinic locally so i will ask my doc to refer me to them...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 11/02/2007 00:29:53
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

Don't ewe think the doctor knows better than another patients opinion karen mam ?

i wouldnt be too sure...the docs ive spoken to dont have a clue about insomnia in general and just assume your stressed or depressed....even tho ive told them im not...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/02/2007 00:44:39
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

Don't ewe think the doctor knows better than another patients opinion karen mam ?

I know the Doctor is a good person, but I also know that they support drug companies and they support the doctors, so for my sanity and well being, I prefer to know about actual cases where I can hear about the resuts and know what to expect.. All he said was it was new and we should start it right away.. I had to look it up To find out more about it!! But I was hoping to find kind of first hand information about it... so There!!!! LOL You know Neil how it makes you feel the day after or for several days.. It is non addictive which is good, as I tend to have an addictive personality.. LOL so I need to be careful with what I put into this old rickety castle ov mine, I don't want to find my walls crumbling around me feet!
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Post by: neilep on 11/02/2007 01:56:32
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

Don't ewe think the doctor knows better than another patients opinion karen mam ?

i wouldnt be too sure...the docs ive spoken to dont have a clue about insomnia in general and just assume your stressed or depressed....even tho ive told them im not...


me is a very cynical sheep !!..but I would give my doctor the benefit of doubt !!..after all...he is a doctor !!....It's just that in this case...if Karens doctor is aware of this new drug then he must have done a little bit of research into it.......but I do understand your doubts.
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Post by: neilep on 11/02/2007 01:59:12
I do not want to try them unless I find someone who has used them and had success.. I hate pills!!

Don't ewe think the doctor knows better than another patients opinion karen mam ?

I know the Doctor is a good person, but I also know that they support drug companies and they support the doctors, so for my sanity and well being, I prefer to know about actual cases where I can hear about the resuts and know what to expect.. All he said was it was new and we should start it right away.. I had to look it up To find out more about it!! But I was hoping to find kind of first hand information about it... so There!!!! LOL You know Neil how it makes you feel the day after or for several days.. It is non addictive which is good, as I tend to have an addictive personality.. LOL so I need to be careful with what I put into this old rickety castle ov mine, I don't want to find my walls crumbling around me feet!

Oh boy !!..the politics of doctors and drug companies.....

Karen Mam....is this a drug that you would have to pay top dollar for ?....over here....we just pay a flat prescription fee for each drug.

I know in the states there is no national Health system but does insurance cover the costs of prescriptions ?...and if you don't have insurance then how much is this drug gonna cost you ?
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/02/2007 02:52:25
I do not know.. I have insurance for the time being so it is usually a about 2o. oo for my other perscriptions x 9 and they vary depending on how much they are. So it will be about $180.00 plus the new one! I do not know how much, I have the prescription and need to go have it filled... but I am leary..I have no idea till I go what this one will cost.. I cringe at the thought!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 12/02/2007 03:39:08
Having another crap night....help!!!!.....and work in 4 and half hrs!! :o(
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/02/2007 03:54:52
MAn am so sorry.. I wish I could throw this perscription at you...What time are you right now? I am 7:54 Pm.
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Post by: neilep on 12/02/2007 03:55:25
Well..I'm still here Zwitty...and I am sure Karen is about too...
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Post by: neilep on 12/02/2007 03:55:52
LOl...I said Karen was about !!!..it nearly 4am here Karen !
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/02/2007 03:59:35
I beat you.. What you have esp SIR! LOL I had a night like that last night.. hoping tonight is better.How bout you.... SING you too a couple tunes from my new CD!! YAYYYYYY! I am in love with this guy!! He is great!!!!! Makes me smile....
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/02/2007 04:04:47
Here are the words I am listening too now..

JAMES BLUNT LYRICS

"You're Beautiful"

My life is brilliant.

My life is brilliant.
My love is pure.
I saw an angel.
Of that I'm sure.
She smiled at me on the subway.
She was with another man.
But I won't lose no sleep on that,
'Cause I've got a plan.

You're beautiful. You're beautiful.
You're beautiful, it's true.
I saw your face in a crowded place,
And I don't know what to do,
'Cause I'll never be with you.

Yeah, she caught my eye,
As we walked on by.
She could see from my face that I was,
Flying high, [ - video/radio edited version]
******* high, [ - CD version]
And I don't think that I'll see her again,
But we shared a moment that will last till the end.

You're beautiful. You're beautiful.
You're beautiful, it's true.
I saw your face in a crowded place,
And I don't know what to do,
'Cause I'll never be with you.

You're beautiful. You're beautiful.
You're beautiful, it's true.
There must be an angel with a smile on her face,
When she thought up that I should be with you.
But it's time to face the truth,
I will never be with you.


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Post by: Zwitterion on 12/02/2007 04:11:36
hey thanks guys....im really struggling...my eyes are so heavy but cant sleep...even downloaded sum relaxind sounds which are s'pos to help u sleep but theyre not....what shall i do to get atleast a few hrs before work?
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Post by: neilep on 12/02/2007 04:24:49
hey thanks guys....im really struggling...my eyes are so heavy but cant sleep...even downloaded sum relaxind sounds which are s'pos to help u sleep but theyre not....what shall i do to get atleast a few hrs before work?


*le sigh*...poor Zwitty !!!.................what about a good old fashioned glass of hot milk ?...perhaps with a tad of nutmeg !

Actually....if I knew what to do to get to sleep...well...I wouldn't be here would I ?..LOL


Zwitty.....what do you normally do ?...............what I do know is that you must get this sorted....and soon...it is clear and evident that you are suffering here..........it still might take a while but if you start the process then you'll feel better that you are finally tackling the problem.....It might even help you sleep...if you know what I mean !!
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Post by: neilep on 12/02/2007 04:25:57
Lovely words Karen...That's a great song...it did well over here.
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Post by: Carolyn on 12/02/2007 04:30:07
Is insomnia contagious?  I've gone two nights with only 2 hours each night and now I can't sleep again.  Ughhhhh, it's given me a migraine.  *pulls hair & pouts*
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Post by: Zwitterion on 12/02/2007 04:35:13
think i might go do some exercise that usually livens me up a bit...dont think im going to bother going to bed as ill be having to wake up as soon as i get some now....

dont mention nut-meg....had a mad experience with that stuff...never again!!...will tell you sometime about it!

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Post by: Zwitterion on 12/02/2007 04:36:36
as for insomnia being contagious....i have noticed that when had a mega whinge to someone i know...they sometimes do come back to me and say they ve struggled the night after!!.....wierd....but i have no sympathy for them they shud suffer too!!...ok thats nasty but its hard to care!! ...
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Post by: neilep on 12/02/2007 04:37:51
Is insomnia contagious?  I've gone two nights with only 2 hours each night and now I can't sleep again.  Ughhhhh, it's given me a migraine.  *pulls hair & pouts*

Don't know if it's contagious Carolyn bit sooner or later this site turns everybody into insomniacs !!  [;D]

I am sorry you too are having trouble !!....Poor ewe !!....
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Post by: neilep on 12/02/2007 04:40:38
as for insomnia being contagious....i have noticed that when had a mega whinge to someone i know...they sometimes do come back to me and say they ve struggled the night after!!.....wierd....but i have no sympathy for them they shud suffer too!!...ok thats nasty but its hard to care!! ...

Fully understand how you feel like that Zwitty.......it IS difficult when you're knackered all the time..........life is one big emotional strain and it's hard work to put on a brave face when you're so tired....
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Post by: Zwitterion on 12/02/2007 04:46:04
oh great think im going to make it to countdown again!!! :o).....

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Post by: neilep on 12/02/2007 04:57:11
Nearly 5am !!...I am at least going to get my head down for a while...I'll listen to the radio.

Actually, this is a good tip for you (and everybody else)...have the radio on just loud enough so that you can just hear it....it's best to have something like a talk radio station on...the voices can have a numbing effect and you soon fall asleep as you try to listen what is being said.

anyway...if I don't get back here...I do wish you well Zwitty, carolyn and Karen..

hugs ewe all...shmishes you too............LOL...the birds are singing !!!...Great !!! *gets shotgun at the ready*

Neil
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Post by: Zwitterion on 12/02/2007 05:01:29
lol.....ill join ya with the shot gun...need to release some stress!...even tho im actually quite an animal loving person but what the hell.....

as for radio...yeah it can help , ive even downloaded vacuum cleaner and hair dryer noises on my mobile to help but no joy!!
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Post by: neilep on 12/02/2007 06:00:01
6am......*le sigh et le sulk*
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/02/2007 06:17:26
Sorry you are still awake and feeling poorly. I am surprised Carolyn is awake at this hour.. LOL Sorry Carolyn..

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Post by: Karen W. on 12/02/2007 06:20:48
Hey Neil, I was about to say.. advice from the non sleeper himself.. but you never know.. you have alot more years on this then most of us.. LOL

I find I like the CD a lot.. I also Like his voice.. sweet!! All of the lyrics are beautiful and amazing to me. they speak of to my heart... so much... I love when music does that it fills you up inside with love...
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Post by: moonfire on 12/02/2007 15:18:21
hmmm, I sympathize with anyone who can't sleep...I myself was up from 3am this morning..drats!  It makes me mad as I fight sleep and have for a long time now...
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Post by: Carolyn on 12/02/2007 16:26:09
Sorry you are still awake and feeling poorly. I am surprised Carolyn is awake at this hour.. LOL Sorry Carolyn..


Thank you Karen.  I know, I'm surprised too. 

Don't know if it's contagious Carolyn bit sooner or later this site turns everybody into insomniacs !!  [;D]
I am sorry you too are having trouble !!....Poor ewe !!....


Thank you Neil.


hmmm, I sympathize with anyone who can't sleep...I myself was up from 3am this morning..drats!  It makes me mad as I fight sleep and have for a long time now...


Me too, Lo.  I usually don't have problems sleeping, other than not being able to go to sleep before 1 or 2 am and having to be up at 6:30.  Occasionally, (about every 6-8 weeks) I go about a week not being able to sleep.  However, my sleeplessness doesn't compare to the rest of you, and so I do feel a tiny twinge of guilt complaining about it.  

as for insomnia being contagious....i have noticed that when had a mega whinge to someone i know...they sometimes do come back to me and say they ve struggled the night after!!.....wierd....but i have no sympathy for them they shud suffer too!!...ok thats nasty but its hard to care!! ...

Zwitty - I'm sorry you're struggling so with sleep.  I hope you find some relief soon.
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/02/2007 17:27:49
Well I slept a couple hours Saterday 2 I think.. and I have not slept since... I am getting ready for work now.. The shower made me feel some more human then before.. You all have a great day and get some sleep if you can... Sorry Carolyn! No guilt, lack of sleep in the beginning was worse for me then it it these days when I loose much more and now I do better then at a yonger age.
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Post by: neilep on 12/02/2007 20:42:57
Well, I managed about 90 minutes at 25 minute intervals...

Opens hymn book and sings with elation.....

 "Oh joy to the world ..la de da dee daaaa !!! "
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Post by: Zwitterion on 13/02/2007 06:14:16
i slept like a baby tonight...got to sleep at half 9 till 4 in the morning and i literally feel so good that i jumped out of bed!!...

hadnt slept at all last night so that will have somehting to do with it but i my shisha (Karens not going to like this :o) ) arrived last night and i think it helped!!......hopefully theres more nights like this to come....fingers crossed, touch wood...etc etc etc....lol

hope you all are sleeping and have slept well tonight!!..esp you Neil!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/02/2007 07:04:30
It is 10:57 pm.. On Monday night, I have not slept since saturday night and that was about two hours..ssliding into day 4 .. am so tired, I signed on pulled up my mail screen and had to try to sleep to no avail.. spent two hours trying.. not even a doze.. Maybe later.. I am so tired my throat sounds like a frogs croak and I sing like a toad... Oh GAWWWWWWWWWWWD!!

Ok no bad thoughts.. Neil I am sorry you are so tired too. I hope you get some more sleep tonight me will try too.. Hugs you..

Zwitterion, am so glad you got some sleep..hope you get some mor... it will sure make you feel better!
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Post by: neilep on 13/02/2007 07:22:14
Hi Zwitty,Hi Karen,



07:21am.......yawwwwwwwwwwn !!


Hugs ewe
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/02/2007 07:43:47
Hi Neil.. 11: 42 Pm still no go..!! Sorry you are not sleeping either.. Hugs you too! Hows the weather?
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/02/2007 08:54:28
12:53AM. Nothing!!
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Post by: neilep on 13/02/2007 15:17:30
Hi Neil.. 11: 42 Pm still no go..!! Sorry you are not sleeping either.. Hugs you too! Hows the weather?

Hi Karen Mam,

How's the Weather ??..LOL !!...it's actually too warm !!....LOL !
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/02/2007 16:52:26
Well Kind Sir, The weather is warm cloudy and rainey!!! LOL
Guess what... I fianlly went to sleep about 2:00 Am YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!I was able to attain 4 hours .......TA DAH!!!!!!
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Post by: neilep on 13/02/2007 17:02:47
Well Kind Sir, The weather is warm cloudy and rainey!!! LOL
Guess what... I fianlly went to sleep about 2:00 Am YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!I was able to attain 4 hours .......TA DAH!!!!!!

FOUR HOURS !!!!!...amazing !!!!.....good for ewe Karen mam...YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/02/2007 17:28:40
YES SIREE BOB.....ME FEELS SOME BETTER... Me throat sounds way like a froggy, but oh well. I just am sitting drinking a cappichio with whipped cream and a cherry on top... It is so good.. Thank you so much.......Did you say warm? Is the sun shining there...?
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Post by: Zwitterion on 13/02/2007 20:04:58
good to read u got some sleep karen...how about u Neil?

just wanted to ask has anyone any experience of Magnesium and its its impact on Sleep...came across that this morning so will be putting some research in but have you guys heard that?
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Post by: paul.fr on 14/02/2007 16:42:37
Has the numbers of insomniacs increased with the advent of new technologies?

lets face it, in the "old days" the TV closed down just after midnight and you were left with the test card or some white noise. There was nothing on the radio, and even in the early days of the internet there was nothing much to do. So left with the option of sitting on our lonesome we just crawled up to bed and (eventually) went to sleep.

we now have 24 hour TV, even though there is still not much quality in the programming it's there in the background. we surf the net, watch tv and videos on demand and eventually end up in some forum or chat room....i know im tired but hay just one last post...then wait a while see if someone replies and the hours drag on and we sort of come round a bit and have another coffee, feel more awake and just another quick google......

even then when we do go to bed, after a few minutes we think, hay still can't sleep lets just turn the tv or pc on for a minute and back we go , in to the spiral that is technology.

last year i decided to stop surfing in an effort to get some sleep and get away from the grind of returning home from work, the pc is still on because of broadband and i sit there for hours just looking and reading then finally remembering to go to bed...but look at the time im back up in a few hours.

so i kicked "the habit", and 6 months later im back. not at home! who cares i have broadband on my phone so i can still surf and post at the bus stop, on a train......

Technology! oh for the simple life.....

Paul
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/02/2007 17:00:49
LOL, Hey Paul.. an amusing post. I willhave a cappuchino  in the morning on some mornings, not everyday. I avoid caffiene as I am allergic.. I do love me computer however and my friends here in this forum.. I have done all manner of things to go to sleep. We do not have cable so our tv goes off around 1:00 am or earlier depanding on who is up. Me or hubby. Been me late so it is not even on at all once I get off work. I used to watch all the time. Very rarely watch at all these days as I prefer this site and am able to do more thinking here then in front of the tube! I do miss it though!!! LOL
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Post by: Zwitterion on 15/02/2007 17:39:17
Sorta agree with you paul...that theres probably more ppl getting less sleep due to the wonderful world of technology...not sure what id do without it!!...also the invention of the light bulb cant have help....but theres a major diff between ppl who choose to sleep later and those who struggle to sleep no matter what they do...for those of us technology is great to kill the hours before boredom does!!...

its sad really when i know ive had a bad night when ive made it to Countdown at half 5 in the morning!!...or when the damn alarm on my mobile goes off before i get to
 sleep!!...that really pisses me off!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/02/2007 18:59:33
Zwitterion.. Do you mind me asking your name? Was just curious, so no pressure. How was last nights sleep. I was able to get 2 hours.. Am so tired. Here here! On the activies that are available.. Its not like we watch Tv while we are trying to go to slaeep! I turn everything off.. sometimes I put some very soft music on to relax and help me to go to sleep.. But mosylylay in silence listening to my brain run dialog to my body.. about everything that could be wrong and everything that is right too! Don't figure.. I guess my brain just does not shut down untill my body collapses.. and it does not matter how hard I try!
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Post by: moonfire on 16/02/2007 05:28:37
Yep, I think it does not help...but it does help when i am awake through the night or when I am tired of reading...
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Post by: Karen W. on 16/02/2007 05:43:25
Yep, Me too!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 17/02/2007 12:28:38
Hiya Karen, Moonfire...

How have you been sleeping lately?...ive been sleeping much better...havent felt like a zombie for most of this week and actually feel im living after soo long...

Karen, hope you dont mind but id rather just be called zwitterion or zwitty on here. :o)

Moonfire...do i remember right that u asked about the link to the shisha thing i talked about a while back...dont think i did send you the link...would it be ok for me to put in on here again or shall i send you a private message?...

hope everyones well!!
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Post by: paul.fr on 17/02/2007 16:17:20

or when the damn alarm on my mobile goes off before i get to
 sleep!!...that really pisses me off!!

Ah, the dredded mobile phone. I find the worst thing about using this as an alarm clock is that people always ring you just when you have finaly managed to get to sleep. you are then always greeted with "Have i woke you".arrggggghhh.

Hi all
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Post by: Karen W. on 17/02/2007 16:48:16
Hiya Karen, Moonfire...

How have you been sleeping lately?...ive been sleeping much better...havent felt like a zombie for most of this week and actually feel im living after soo long...

Karen, hope you dont mind but id rather just be called zwitterion or zwitty on here. :o)

Moonfire...do i remember right that u asked about the link to the shisha thing i talked about a while back...dont think i did send you the link...would it be ok for me to put in on here again or shall i send you a private message?...

hope everyones well!!

It's no Problem, zwitterion.. I was just curious! I am still hit and miss, but night befor had a good night which helps make up for the bad ones.. I am glad your week has been restful!
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Post by: Karen W. on 17/02/2007 16:51:06

or when the damn alarm on my mobile goes off before i get to
 sleep!!...that really pisses me off!!

Ah, the dredded mobile phone. I find the worst thing about using this as an alarm clock is that people always ring you just when you have finaly managed to get to sleep. you are then always greeted with "Have i woke you".arrggggghhh.

Hi all

Sorry bout your cell phone waking you Paul.. It is the pits.. I remember when.. I do not use an alarm clock, I haven't needed to for years.. I am always awake, or when I do sleep, I automaticly wake before I have to be up!! LOL I think it may have something to do with the light outside or something!
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Post by: paul.fr on 17/02/2007 17:10:10
Hi Karen.

There was a time when i never needed an alarm clock, but with sleep being the way it is, once i do get off i could stop in bed forever. Being too much of a cheapscape, i don't have an alarm clock and just use the phone.

With reguards to you awakening before your alarm goes off, i think this is due to your internal clock.

Paul
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Post by: paul.fr on 17/02/2007 17:21:31
Is it possible to have too much sleep?

I only ask because i always hear people moaning that they feel, erm.....bad because they have had too much sleep! I think these are the same people that moan about the heat in summer and cold in winter.

Paul
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Post by: Karen W. on 17/02/2007 17:32:40
Actually sleeping longer then the nom, actually can make you drag and feel worse. My doctor says 7 to 8 hours is ideal for most people so My goal would be to get there. I have an occasional night like that. where I get 7 hours.. THey are few and far in between. I don't think Neil ever gets close. I average )to 2 hours on a bad night! 2 to 4 hours on a good night! :) I used to sleep better, with sporatic restless nights, It has become more of a problem the last 15 or so years.. Maybe it's because I am not very happy, with me home life.. I don't know I have tried to anylize it.. it doesn't work.. I just can't sleep!

Internal Clock.., why does it not help shut things down better for sleep?? LOL
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Post by: paul.fr on 17/02/2007 17:40:53
Actually sleeping longer then the nom, actually can make you drag and feel worse. My doctor says 7 to 8 hours is ideal for most people so My goal would be to get there. I have an occasional night like that. where I get 7 hours.. THey are few and far in between. I don't think Neil ever gets close. I average )to 2 hours on a bad night! 2 to 4 hours on a good night! :) I used to sleep better, with sporatic restless nights, It has become more of a problem the last 15 or so years.. Maybe it's because I am not very happy, with me home life.. I don't know I have tried to anylize it.. it doesn't work.. I just can't sleep!

Internal Clock.., why does it not help shut things down better for sleep?? LOL

Maybe once a week i get 7 hours in one go, i do have a nap in the evenings or afternoon for an hour or two. I think this is why i then have trouble when it's time for bed.

Do you try and rationalise your day or life as you try and sleep? I used to do this a lot and it just screws your sleep up and makes you feel miserable, and keeps you awake.
Why the internal clock does not just say "to hell with this" and force you to sleep is beyond me.

Isn't there some for of scale that gives you the hours of sleep you need. from infancy to maturity? i seem to remember that when we are around retirement age you can get away with 5 hours sleep.

Paul
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Post by: neilep on 17/02/2007 17:58:13
Has the numbers of insomniacs increased with the advent of new technologies?

lets face it, in the "old days" the TV closed down just after midnight and you were left with the test card or some white noise. There was nothing on the radio, and even in the early days of the internet there was nothing much to do. So left with the option of sitting on our lonesome we just crawled up to bed and (eventually) went to sleep.

we now have 24 hour TV, even though there is still not much quality in the programming it's there in the background. we surf the net, watch tv and videos on demand and eventually end up in some forum or chat room....i know im tired but hay just one last post...then wait a while see if someone replies and the hours drag on and we sort of come round a bit and have another coffee, feel more awake and just another quick google......

even then when we do go to bed, after a few minutes we think, hay still can't sleep lets just turn the tv or pc on for a minute and back we go , in to the spiral that is technology.
.
last year i decided to stop surfing in an effort to get some sleep and get away from the grind of returning home from work, the pc is still on because of broadband and i sit there for hours just looking and reading then finally remembering to go to bed...but look at the time im back up in a few hours.

so i kicked "the habit", and 6 months later im back. not at home! who cares i have broadband on my phone so i can still surf and post at the bus stop, on a train......

Technology! oh for the simple life.....

Paul

The only way to find this out would be to conduct a long detailed study !

The thing is......I don't know if the technologies of today make insomniacs per se......it might make people stay up late but if they can easily return to a normal sleep pattern then they are not suffering from insomnia. What I think Technology it is doing is making  people have less sleep and later nights.

I think it's important to differentiate between late nights and proper insomnia
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Post by: Karen W. on 17/02/2007 18:20:32
I have turned everything off and layed in bed for days one after the other even forced my self to stay in bed all night! It does not help me! I still cannot sleep after you do this for months, you finally realize what the heck is the point... You get up and make something else happen, education cleaning, painting drawing, writing, singing listening... dancing, scrap booking.. LOL Whatever floats your boat! LOL Anything is better then lying there turning and moving and getting bed sores from squirming in the sheets!!
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Post by: paul.fr on 17/02/2007 22:00:26
Karen,

I just wonder if you have stopped smoking? or stopped aroud the time that your insomnia started to be more noticable?

edit: if you have or did, did you use any aides to stop you smoking?
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Post by: Karen W. on 17/02/2007 23:21:47
Sorry Paul, I have never smoked.. Unless You call trying one when I was 14 smoking.. I just about choked to death on that couple puffs..LOL Not for me Friend I never have smoked and never will. I also do not drink.. or take recreational drugs, never have never will. I am on seral medications for my health..

Some Of my problem stems from a child hood molestation that seems to cause me grief when darkness falls.. Perhaps thats the whole problem, I don't know.. but I know it is at least part of it.. kind of scared to go to sleep for fear of what will wake me up!

My mother smoked like a chimney.. It killed her!
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Post by: paul.fr on 18/02/2007 00:24:37
Hi Karen,

sorry o hear about your early life experiance...if i may put it that way.

I guess i may have been correct then in my earlier post, when i asked if you tried to rationalise your day or life and this stopped you from going to sleep.

This is something that i do most nights, i will rationalise, or try to, the day and what i could have done differently. this can take hours and is most annoying and i suspect may have medical conations.

i also have anastasia's mum to contend with, i have spent nearly 30k in the past 6 years to ensure i have regular contact but her mother always breaks the court orders and i am forever back and forth filing for new hearing, etc. this also keeps me awake at night too.

whilst neil is correct that there is a difference between people with genuine insomnia and those that just go to bed late for one reason or another the effects on your mind and body are the same.

i am having a bad spell at the moment, and seem to forget what i am supposed to be doing. from paying bills to going shopping and all day to day activities. i am even having a hard time concentrating on how to spell, of course this is not just down to the lack of sleep it's also stress and things playing on your mind.

Paul
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Post by: Karen W. on 18/02/2007 19:35:58
Paul I am sorry things have been such a struggle with your daughters mom. That can be a difficult situation. I do understand. I have had the same problem. worse the last weeks so I know the feelings you are sharing.

  Yes There is a difference. The end results become the same over time.. I am sorry you are having a bad moment and wish I could help. I have had the problem with forgetfulness alot lately...and stress is a huge burden to pile on and already existing pile of trouble and lack of sleep.

Please feel better soon.
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Post by: Zwitterion on 18/02/2007 21:25:31
Hey Karen,

Really sorry to hear about what you had to go through...and that its still affecting you...have you been for councelling?  or anything else that might try and help you forget or put it behind you?

Paul,  i know exactly what u mean with regards to forgetting etc...when i go thru by bad patches...i find it really hard to remember and comprehend things...i work as a scientist and having to work things out in my head is seriously taxing...

usually resort to taking caffiene in any form i possible can ...tablets, red-bull...that usually helps a bit but still doesnt stop me from feeling like a zombie...generally u just have to spend more time thinking about what you do from driving to writing etc...
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Post by: neilep on 18/02/2007 21:59:35
Zwitty,

I can well understand how you, as a scientist, has problems in recalling things..........it's not memory per se...it's pure concentration full stop.

I am fine until I hit 48 hours plus...but then I have spent all my life figuring it out....72 hours and I am not safe...I get visual and aural hallucinations.. I don't mean visions...I mean things in the corner of my eye appear to move...shadows darting etc)...feelings of skin crawling.....I won't drive and have to concentrate as best as I can going upstairs...always making sure I am leaning forward in case I start to fall !!


Paul,

Really story about the stress factor regarding anastasia's mum  .......surely this is one of the worst kinds of stress.....is there no way at all to make the mother more compliant !! ?
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Post by: paul.fr on 18/02/2007 22:40:51

Paul,

Really story about the stress factor regarding anastasia's mum  .......surely this is one of the worst kinds of stress.....is there no way at all to make the mother more compliant !! ?

Hi Neil,

I have tried everything, and sadly do not have the funds anymore to employ the solicitors and barristers. so i have been representing myself for the last 2 years, which gives additional stress.
Anastasia's mum knows she can get away with doing what she does as the courts have already said they will not grant a change of residency no matter what. all i can do is make the courts aware of the situation, they grant me more orders and then they are broken. back to court for enforcement, they get ignored and the cycle continues as it has done for 6 years...oh well only another 7 to go!

Paul
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Post by: paul.fr on 18/02/2007 22:49:19
Paul,  i know exactly what u mean with regards to forgetting etc...when i go thru by bad patches...i find it really hard to remember and comprehend things...i work as a scientist and having to work things out in my head is seriously taxing...

usually resort to taking caffiene in any form i possible can ...tablets, red-bull...that usually helps a bit but still doesnt stop me from feeling like a zombie...generally u just have to spend more time thinking about what you do from driving to writing etc...



Zwitty

Never tried the redbull, but i do believe it's not much stronger than a good cup of coffee, just more convienient. It's not just the forgetting and having to concentrate twice as hard just to get by it's the lethargy and apathy that makes me so mad with myself. some days i just can't be bothered, and those days are becoming more frequant.

Paul
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Post by: paul.fr on 18/02/2007 22:53:48
Paul I am sorry things have been such a struggle with your daughters mom. That can be a difficult situation. I do understand. I have had the same problem. worse the last weeks so I know the feelings you are sharing.

  Yes There is a difference. The end results become the same over time.. I am sorry you are having a bad moment and wish I could help. I have had the problem with forgetfulness alot lately...and stress is a huge burden to pile on and already existing pile of trouble and lack of sleep.

Please feel better soon.

Thanks Karen. we all have our problems, but there is not quick fix or one sze fits all remedy. at least you/we can talk about our problems. it may have an theraputic outcome...

Paul
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Post by: Zwitterion on 18/02/2007 23:36:46


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Zwitty

Never tried the redbull, but i do believe it's not much stronger than a good cup of coffee, just more convienient. It's not just the forgetting and having to concentrate twice as hard just to get by it's the lethargy and apathy that makes me so mad with myself. some days i just can't be bothered, and those days are becoming more frequant.

Paul
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The cant be bothered days are hard, and believe me ive been thru many a days where you have toput up a front and act like u care abt things...such as work, sometimes relationships etc ...its hard becoz ive started to find myself cancelling on my friends and family and u end up feeling more awful....but sometimes its best just to do the things that u normally do and dont let ur sleep dictate ur life....

do u do any sport?...i find that playing tennis always helps me...its a good release and also exercise always gives u a lift for some period of time so that might help!!.....

ive never been a one for talking abt my problems...but dont keep things in and tell ppl how u feel that will help too!!

hope u do get some joy re. ur daughter....maybe try working on the mum and bringing her round?.....make her understand a dad is important in a childs life and she cant deprive your daughter of that...
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Post by: Karen W. on 19/02/2007 06:13:18
Hey Karen,

Really sorry to hear about what you had to go through...and that its still affecting you...have you been for councelling?  or anything else that might try and help you forget or put it behind you?

Paul,  i know exactly what u mean with regards to forgetting etc...when i go thru by bad patches...i find it really hard to remember and comprehend things...i work as a scientist and having to work things out in my head is seriously taxing...

usually resort to taking caffiene in any form i possible can ...tablets, red-bull...that usually helps a bit but still doesnt stop me from feeling like a zombie...generally u just have to spend more time thinking about what you do from driving to writing etc...


 I have under gone counciling for other things, but never for the abuse.. I have always been a kinda heal thyself kinda girl.. This one I can't do anything with.. perhaps one day it will be resolved..  It is not the kind of thing I feel comfortable going into details about right now in the forum, I am in a bit of a low ebb, and need to steer clear of those thoughts right now..in the forum.. No Offense Please.. THank you for the concern though..


Paul I appreciate you also and maybe one day we will talk.I hope you don't spend the rest of your 7 years having to stress over this issue. Is your Daughter close to you.. I have almost got the impression she might be in the states or at least farther away is she not close to you? I wish you to have better days...You are in my prayers..
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Post by: paul.fr on 24/02/2007 07:29:45

Paul I appreciate you also and maybe one day we will talk.I hope you don't spend the rest of your 7 years having to stress over this issue. Is your Daughter close to you.. I have almost got the impression she might be in the states or at least farther away is she not close to you? I wish you to have better days...You are in my prayers..

Hi Karen,
I missed this reply...I too hope things get better over the next 7 years, but i seriously doubt they will. Things still continue to get worse on a weekly basis.

Luckily, Anastasia is not in the States. They have however, recently moved so now i spend the better part of 4 hours travelling to pick her up and the same again to take her back to her mums. That's assuming the train does not get cancelled as it did last week and the buses run on time.

How are you going on? You seem to have been a bit quiet this past week, then again the whole forum has.
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Post by: paul.fr on 24/02/2007 22:17:33
Evening karen, hows the sleeping going?
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2007 00:38:18
Hi Paul new medicine is making me nuts, gave me 2 extra hours, but I feel like crud have no control.. I don't like it..  having some problems!I am having a hard time dealing with.. will be ok. I just need to figure out some things I don't understand. Am having a difficult time comming to terms with myself and the reality of life..I have always been such a stupid dreamer and I need to stop doing that! Because when reality sets in it seems that I don't handle things like I should.. Giving up things I want and dreams I have had my whole life for the reality of what I was given and what I am supposed to settle for. So I've settled.. and am just trying to stand up and keep going.... I don't know what else to do...*tears*. sorry, so emotional lately....sorry
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Post by: paul.fr on 25/02/2007 00:49:13
Hi karen, i know what you are feeling, somewhat. I will write more when i am home, its just too hard tapping on little phone keys!
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Post by: paul.fr on 25/02/2007 01:32:06
Karen, when i'm feeling pretty low i find listening to REM and The Smiths strangely uplifting! Must be their cheerful lyrics! But good music can cheer you up.
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2007 01:49:08
Who are the Smiths? LOL I don't know that group, perhaps the songs but I don't recognize the group! It's ok THanks.
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2007 01:50:58
Hey I learned how to put my picture in my profile, that makes me happy, It's not in the right place but it is there..LOL Oh well my target spot was the picture area.. LOL 
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2007 12:30:50
5:29 am still no sleep. Hope you are resting Neiland Paul and Zwitterion.. sleep well friends..
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2007 14:20:48
6:20AM
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Post by: paul.fr on 25/02/2007 15:53:27
Well, i got a undisturbed 5 hours sleep, it was great! then i saw the pile of ironing....
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2007 16:27:39
LOL.. I only iron on occassion.. Pleats and dresses etc. I am glad you had some sleep.. YAYYYYYY! Hope your day is good.
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Post by: paul.fr on 25/02/2007 16:36:36
I hate ironing, but itdoes make your mind wander and think things you norally dont...well for me any way lol. ironing isgood therapy.Afternoon zwitty.
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2007 19:03:52
11:01 am Hey I like ironing , just don't do it much. When I was a kid we ironed everything including the bedsheets! Ironed and starched!! LOL You could reallt here the pop when you flipped the sheet upwards to make the bed! It is good therapy!
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Post by: paul.fr on 25/02/2007 21:00:07
Without sounding rude, you need some sleep karen. Try having a nice warm bath and some hot milk or cocoa then in to bed. When in bed recite mentaly your body parts, starting with your toes then ankles all the way to your head this will relax you and also stop you thinking those thoughts that keep you awake.
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2007 21:53:38
I can't sleep. My legs are bothering me.. and I am fidgety.. having trouble sitting still. Am doing laundry and thinking about some food. I haven't eaten today.. and its almost 2:00 pm. I will get some tonight as I have to try to toe the line anyways..Your not being rude. ..Cocoa sounds good, as I like hot cocoa. I bought a big bottle of wine last week and was going to dedicate myself to drinking it weather I liked it or not.. LOL, or not won.. I just don't drink! Robert will drink it though! If he ever comes home long enough to see it! LOL
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Post by: Zwitterion on 25/02/2007 22:35:10
hey Karen have you managed to get some sleep?...hope so...

Hi Paul...hope your well..

i had a particularly bad week last week but last couple of days have been much better...and hopefully will stay that way...when i go thru a good patch im always on a high!1...its such a great feeling...good sleepers doen realise how lucky they are!!...

anyways just come back from playing tennis and need a shower so best go!! ....

everyone sleep well tonight...
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2007 23:00:14
Hi zwiteron, gong to hit 48 soon. ayou like tennis ?.. Am glad you sleeping good. Tonight will slepp better for metoo.
Nite you too!
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Post by: paul.fr on 25/02/2007 23:05:53
All fine and dandy here, zwitty. The tennis tired you out? I have not played for years, i used to love badminton now i do a lot of bike riding which is especially nice in the summer. Its the best thing about country living
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2007 23:12:14
I love  badmitten .loved my bike when I was small. now I bought a scooter.
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Post by: Zwitterion on 27/02/2007 06:56:40
hiya...

ive had a good night tonite...after the crap day i had yesterday...i hit close to 40hrs and felt really awful!

did u have a good night Karen?....do you go often without sleep for 2 days?....a day, day and half is very common for me but 2 days is a real struggle, altho so is one day but i think ive got to the point where i can just about cope with that!

I love tennis, instead of tiring me out it usually just hypes me up even more! :o) ...its a great sport, especially good for relieving stress particularly when u havent slept and u really feel like hitting something hard!!,...funny thing is when i havent slept, its so hard to do most things, but for me tennis i can still play to my usual standard...think its something to do with the level of motivation u have for things...maybe i need to take this and apply it to everything else i do...

you guys should get back into it....badminton or tennis...altho tennis is definitely the one for me...i think exercise or just some physical competition is always good for keeping a balanced mind!..

hope Paul you slept well last night...take care

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Post by: paul.fr on 27/02/2007 07:22:33
Hi Zwitty,

well yes i have, for the last couple of days i have managed 5 odd hours per day and it has been uninterupted which is great.

Hope both you and karenhave a good one today
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Post by: Karen W. on 27/02/2007 07:41:12
Hi Zwitterion It is common for me to get between two and 4 hours on a good night. I have gone on several accasions to day 5 with no sleep, but usually two and 1/2 days to 4 if its a bad run..% has happened several times, but not nearly like 3. 3 is about average, then a few hours sleep usually 4 if I am Lucky. Last I am ashamed, I am pretty sure it was a;most 4 hours last night except we had n earthquake and I woke at 12:3o and could not go back ti sleep till 2:30, then I wokeat 4:19 while we were having an earhquake. 5.4 on the scale.. rude awakening.. that was it for me I was done for the night!

I am glad the sports work for you. I use my tradmill as I cannot do some things do to health issues. BUt I remember badmitten oh gawwwwwd I loved it.. Such a silly game but it thrilled me that I was allowed to play.. Me mommie bought me a new set every year as it was the only sport I could do alot at home. None at school as they wouldn't assume an insurance to cover me in the event that I keeled over... NICE!!! LOL I think schools these days , allow you to sign some kind of waiver releasing them in the in the unfortunant event that you die at school due to your own health issues.. who knows.. That would be my assumption. I loved softball but only was allowed to bat, so I became a hitter and always had a runner . that was ok.. but I do like to bowl, but that now is limited also. by my hands and a bad hip! but I was a very good bowler for awhile.. I once, and I say once bowled a 299.......YAYYYYYYY!!! It was grand!!! The next game sucked!! LOL Oh well. Sleep well you all! Good night to you all who are going to bed!!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 27/02/2007 18:57:12
Hi Karen..

do u go up to 5 days without sleep?...as in 120hrs without any sleep whatsoever?...

i was interested to hear about your participation in sport at school...i didnt realise u have to have insurance to do sport at school...is that normal in the US?

Sorry to hear about your health!
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/02/2007 07:11:26
Hi zwitterion, Yes I have been up 5 days on many occassions fortunantly not near as many as  the two to three day stetches..

As far as the sports my sons all had to have special insurance to play on the football teams you must remember I was a child I am 46 years old and I had congenitial heart problems which at the time were in need of more care, the school was not willing to risk lawsuits in the event of a problem arising from my participation. My mother allowed me most anything I wanted to play with few exceptions, but I was still limited by my physical ability to play the games I liked.. The doctor limited many things I did anyway. Now the limitations are more involved.. But that's another story for another time I don't like talking about it.. it's a rather sore spot right now.. no offence ok!

Please don't be sorry, don't worry.. All is good.. I am a tough old bird! They may try to clip my wings but I am gonna d**N well fly anyways!! I say if Dumbo can fly then by George so can I! LOL
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Post by: paul.fr on 03/03/2007 00:22:05
well i was going to have an early night...then neil came back and i was having too much fun. Anastasia is fast asleep and i must now retire..hope i can drop off quickly as we are up at the crack of dawn and have a long day ahead....

hope you all get a good nights sleep...but if you dont, neil is back to inform, enlighten and entertain so why go to bed.

it's been said already, but you were missed neil. night all
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Post by: neilep on 03/03/2007 00:26:58
well i was going to have an early night...then neil came back and i was having too much fun. Anastasia is fast asleep and i must now retire..hope i can drop off quickly as we are up at the crack of dawn and have a long day ahead....

hope you all get a good nights sleep...but if you dont, neil is back to inform, enlighten and entertain so why go to bed.

it's been said already, but you were missed neil. night all

awwwwwwwwww !!..me luffs this guy !!...I missed ewe too Paul....hugs the paul again....please sleep well !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 03/03/2007 02:39:22
Paul You two have a great time now.. don't get sick on any rides!! LOL
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Post by: Karen W. on 03/03/2007 02:40:42
How are you not sleeping Kind Sir? Hows the kiddos doing?
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Post by: Karen W. on 03/03/2007 12:42:03
Well 4:40 am. I hope everyone is sleeping better then I am..... be well!
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Post by: jolly on 03/03/2007 16:58:20
Have any of you tried meditation? Close you eyes, there is nothing but the darkness, not even you. Become a mental void and think about nothing. Each night try a different thing. keep trying different things till you sleep. Try dinking hot milk. Dont count sheep it keeps your mind going and works only because you naker your brain out. Why not try hypnosis(self-hypnosis). Dont power nap during the day. Talk to all the people your thinking about when your trying to sleep. Resolve all the issues your thinking about when your trying to sleep. If you cant change a problem why worrie about it. If you can change it then change it, if you cant then worring about it wont do anything other than wind you up. Ask why dont I want to sleep? There are lots of ways to sleep. Are you just claiming to have insomnia to get attenion(If your not, why tell people). If all else fails go to therapy/ pray for insomnia to leave you alone(ask god to help).   
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Post by: Karen W. on 03/03/2007 19:03:09
Hey Zwitterion, How did you sleep last night? I hope it is still going well for you.
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Post by: neilep on 03/03/2007 22:32:58
Hi Guys and Gals and guygals ..lol

I'm off to bed for a sleepy tab induced fun filled night of nitrazepam fun...YAYYYYYYYYYYY !!

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Post by: Karen W. on 03/03/2007 23:07:37
Night Neily Sleep Well! Good luck tomorrow! I hope it goes well!
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Post by: paul.fr on 04/03/2007 01:43:25
Night all
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/03/2007 02:39:41
Night Paul Sleep well have a nice visit with that sweet young lady thats been on your arm all day!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 04/03/2007 16:03:15
Hi everyone..hope things are well with all of you!

ive not been too bad last few days....been getting up at five each morning and exercising which i think has helped get me to sleep in the evening without the usual 4/5 hrs it usually takes me to fall asleep

how are u Karen, Neil and Paul?
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/03/2007 16:08:46
I am ok. Two days no sleep just tired, but ok. I am glad your excersising is helping.
 I layed down for several hours hoping sleep would come and trying, but nothing, I am going to get out the house in a while at 9:00 am and go to the Grange and have breakfast with some old community members.. It's always nice for a Sunday morning!
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Post by: paul.fr on 04/03/2007 17:19:37
Hi everyone..hope things are well with all of you!

ive not been too bad last few days....been getting up at five each morning and exercising which i think has helped get me to sleep in the evening without the usual 4/5 hrs it usually takes me to fall asleep

how are u Karen, Neil and Paul?


Hi Zwitty,

by your absence, i guessed you were getting a bit more regular sleep. I have also been getting the hours in, although i put this down to not having the odd afternoon nap.

i have also cut out the nap at work...and i love my nap at work
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Post by: neilep on 04/03/2007 18:06:07
Well, even with 15mg of horse-knockout-pill fun I managed a fun filled 4 hours !!..YAYYYYYYYYYYYY !!....
now..if only me could manage that every night without the tabs me would be a happy boy.



Zwitty !!!..Exercise !!..at 5am !!!.oh my Gawwwwwwwwwwwd !!!..........glad it works for ewe !.....I am going to follow your example...and exercise my eyelids by blinking a lot !

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Post by: neilep on 04/03/2007 18:07:38
I am ok. Two days no sleep just tired, but ok. I am glad your excersising is helping.
 I layed down for several hours hoping sleep would come and trying, but nothing, I am going to get out the house in a while at 9:00 am and go to the Grange and have breakfast with some old community members.. It's always nice for a Sunday morning!

Karen..well...two days eh ?.I would say hang on in there but that's what ewe're doing anyway.......perhaps tonight ewe'll visit sleepy land with any luck ..How was breakfast ?...what did ewe have ?...was it nice and yummy.....spicy and scrummy ?
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Post by: neilep on 04/03/2007 18:11:32
Hi everyone..hope things are well with all of you!

ive not been too bad last few days....been getting up at five each morning and exercising which i think has helped get me to sleep in the evening without the usual 4/5 hrs it usually takes me to fall asleep

how are u Karen, Neil and Paul?


Hi Zwitty,

by your absence, i guessed you were getting a bit more regular sleep. I have also been getting the hours in, although i put this down to not having the odd afternoon nap.

i have also cut out the nap at work...and i love my nap at work

Hi Paul (Paul is great...we luff Paul)...you're not a train driver are ewe ?

napping is great......have never experienced it but I hear from experienced nappers who practice the fine art of Nappilism that it's a welcome respite !....but you've ceased it eh ?.....glad it helps to give you nighty-sleepy joy !
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Post by: paul.fr on 04/03/2007 18:22:16
"Hi Paul (Paul is great...we luff Paul)...you're not a train driver are ewe ?

napping is great......have never experienced it but I hear from experienced nappers who practice the fine art of Nappilism that it's a welcome respite !....but you've ceased it eh ?.....glad it helps to give you nighty-sleepy joy !"


ah, shucks...
*cheeks blush, leans back and thinks..... "yes, iam"

but not as great as you, Neil.

i wish i was a train driver! we had to go to lincoln today and parts of the eastcoast mainline are out, so they put coaches on for part of the journey and then at newark there was a 5 train queue.

apparently they had forgot to tell the driver of the first train that he was working today, so all the other trains had to queue untill he turned up.

then last night, we were delayed for an hour because the barrier on a level crossing would not go down.

ease the strain, take the train. i could throttle whoever came up with that slogan.
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/03/2007 19:00:54
Well, even with 15mg of horse-knockout-pill fun I managed a fun filled 4 hours !!..YAYYYYYYYYYYYY !!....
now..if only me could manage that every night without the tabs me would be a happy boy.



Zwitty !!!..Exercise !!..at 5am !!!.oh my Gawwwwwwwwwwwd !!!..........glad it works for ewe !.....I am going to follow your example...and exercise my eyelids by blinking a lot !




4 HOURS YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!
OHHHHHH YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! GOOD JOB SLEEPY TABS AND ALL!! I am so very happy to hear that from you... You know I am.., Makes me cry!! YAYYYYYYYYYYYY!! I am very excited that you slept!! HAPPY DAY!!!!

I thought breakfast would be great, the sasage was link, I hate link sausage I like country sausage two big chunks, but alas the scoundrals quit serving that kind months ago according to the new people whom I didn't recognise..! LOL I have been in to long.. My pancakes with real maple syrup were good, and I had a slice of ham. It was ok. but I still was able to be sensible and did not blow my food intake.. so It was un pleasant. In a couple weeks Blue Lake will do theirs and it is always good! I rarely eat eggs since my first pregnancy so No eggs!

How did your fair go today Kind Sir? I hope it went well!

I will get some sleep sooner or later. I am not going to stress myself overit. It will come. will be ok..





 
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/03/2007 19:02:24
 Hi Paul, sounds like you had quite the day! I hope you enjoyed your time.!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 04/03/2007 19:05:49
Hey sorry to hear Karen that your going 2 days without sleep...hope you get some soon!...i know whta im like when i go 2 days without and its not a pretty site!!

Good to hear Paul your sleeping well too...is that bye bye to afternoon naps then?...if its helping your night sleeping then best not to go back to that...

Great to see you back Neil....4hrs with sleeping pills?...the latest pills ive been teking knock me out best part of a day!!..altho im not sleeping all that time but might as well be as i can hardly think...how do u feel when u wake up after taking the pills?

as for exercise at 5am in morning?...well its not too strenuous..just some skipping and some crunches etc...it actually sets u up pretty well for the day...i do find tho on days when i havent slept then a bout of exercise gets me that little bit more alert which helps if u need to go to work or interact with people..

napping...rarely do that....there are some people who actually train themselves to nap...power napping or polyphasic sleep they call it i think...didnt ellen mcarthur do that while going for the record? im sure i read something about that...

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Post by: paul.fr on 04/03/2007 19:11:16
Hi Paul, sounds like you had quite the day! I hope you enjoyed your time.!

We had a great time yesterday, Anastasia spent most of her time in the arcades playing the slots...pounds upon pounds in, and eventually she wins a couple of pence and comes running saying she is winning!

We also met up with about a dozen old friends, some of us had not seen eachother for 10 years. it was good to reminisce about old times and old friends.
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Post by: neilep on 04/03/2007 19:14:50
Well, even with 15mg of horse-knockout-pill fun I managed a fun filled 4 hours !!..YAYYYYYYYYYYYY !!....
now..if only me could manage that every night without the tabs me would be a happy boy.



Zwitty !!!..Exercise !!..at 5am !!!.oh my Gawwwwwwwwwwwd !!!..........glad it works for ewe !.....I am going to follow your example...and exercise my eyelids by blinking a lot !




4 HOURS YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!
OHHHHHH YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! GOOD JOB SLEEPY TABS AND ALL!! I am so very happy to hear that from you... You know I am.., Makes me cry!! YAYYYYYYYYYYYY!! I am very excited that you slept!! HAPPY DAY!!!!

I thought breakfast would be great, the sasage was link, I hate link sausage I

How did your fair go today Kind Sir? I hope it went well!

 

What is  a Link Sausage !!..?..is it like a bunch of sausages linked together ?...or did you misspell it and you meant to say Pink sausage ?..LOL...or pehaps it was made from Mink ? ..or in the shape of a kitchen Sink ? [;D].....

The fair was good today.....made a few appointments...lets hopes they convert to business !!..YAYYYYYY.thanks for asking Karen Mam.
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Post by: paul.fr on 04/03/2007 19:17:27
Hi Zwitty,

i dont think it will be long until i am napping again. i actually dont mind getting just a few hours at night, as long as i can have a nap during the day...man i sound old!
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Post by: neilep on 04/03/2007 19:18:11
H

Great to see you back Neil....4hrs with sleeping pills?...the latest pills ive been teking knock me out best part of a day!!..altho im not sleeping all that time but might as well be as i can hardly think...how do u feel when u wake up after taking the pills?



I consider myself very lucky as I very rarely have a ' hang over ' effect !...what are these pills that you are on Zwitty ?

I hate peeps who who can power nap !! ( well..me doesn't hate them really of course...................hmm..yes I do !!..lol )..but it literally freakes me out that they can do it !!

happy exercising Zwitty
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/03/2007 19:22:17
Hey sorry to hear Karen that your going 2 days without sleep...hope you get some soon!...i know whta im like when i go 2 days without and its not a pretty site!!

Good to hear Paul your sleeping well too...is that bye bye to afternoon naps then?...if its helping your night sleeping then best not to go back to that...

Great to see you back Neil....4hrs with sleeping pills?...the latest pills ive been teking knock me out best part of a day!!..altho im not sleeping all that time but might as well be as i can hardly think...how do u feel when u wake up after taking the pills?

as for exercise at 5am in morning?...well its not too strenuous..just some skipping and some crunches etc...it actually sets u up pretty well for the day...i do find tho on days when i havent slept then a bout of exercise gets me that little bit more alert which helps if u need to go to work or interact with people..

napping...rarely do that....there are some people who actually train themselves to nap...power napping or polyphasic sleep they call it i think...didnt ellen mcarthur do that while going for the record? im sure i read something about that...



No Worries I am fine. I will just wait and see what tonight brings.. LOL should be interesting. I thought I was going to nod off last night on here so I closed everything and went and layed down.. Once down I stayed , but to no avail, It was a aggrivating few hours trying to get comfortable and feeling so antsy that I could not stand it! had a million and 1 things running through my head keeping me awake..
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/03/2007 19:25:06
Hi Paul, sounds like you had quite the day! I hope you enjoyed your time.!

We had a great time yesterday, Anastasia spent most of her time in the arcades playing the slots...pounds upon pounds in, and eventually she wins a couple of pence and comes running saying she is winning!

We also met up with about a dozen old friends, some of us had not seen eachother for 10 years. it was good to reminisce about old times and old friends.

Arcades were always the happening places when my kids were younger they loved them. I am gla she had so much fun. I am glad you seen old friends that you have missed. Its good to see how people are doing after gaps of time like that!
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/03/2007 19:33:21
Well, even with 15mg of horse-knockout-pill fun I managed a fun filled 4 hours !!..YAYYYYYYYYYYYY !!....
now..if only me could manage that every night without the tabs me would be a happy boy.



Zwitty !!!..Exercise !!..at 5am !!!.oh my Gawwwwwwwwwwwd !!!..........glad it works for ewe !.....I am going to follow your example...and exercise my eyelids by blinking a lot !




4 HOURS YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!
OHHHHHH YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! GOOD JOB SLEEPY TABS AND ALL!! I am so very happy to hear that from you... You know I am.., Makes me cry!! YAYYYYYYYYYYYY!! I am very excited that you slept!! HAPPY DAY!!!!

I thought breakfast would be great, the sasage was link, I hate link sausage I

How did your fair go today Kind Sir? I hope it went well!

 

What is  a Link Sausage !!..?..is it like a bunch of sausages linked together ?...or did you misspell it and you meant to say Pink sausage ?..LOL...or pehaps it was made from Mink ? ..or in the shape of a kitchen Sink ? [;D].....

The fair was good today.....made a few appointments...lets hopes they convert to business !!..YAYYYYYY.thanks for asking Karen Mam.

Why Yes they start out all linked together and then they are cooked into little hard crisp bits of grease that I hate about 2 and 1/2 inches long each! They were over cooked today and nasty little deep fried ugliness. YUCK!!!! Did I say I hate LINK sausage??? LOL No pink link sausauge or sink link sasauge or any Pink mink link sausage today!! HORRAYYYYYYYYY!!

I hope they do end up turning you a profit for all your time and effort. It is nice that you were able to make some appointments. That is a great thing! It will all come round full circle to you you Kind Sir as you deserve it and much more! Hugs and your welcome!
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Post by: Karen W. on 07/03/2007 08:20:15
well slept several hours last night but am wide awake now. 12:19 am. I hope you all are sleeping well!
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/03/2007 16:26:35
Well took my pills and some cold medicine as I was stuffed, then myother meds and the next thing I knew it was 8:30 am. Wow I slept all night I think. I thoght I woke up once to something but must not have been as I can't remember. I am still groggy an dmy  head is bobbing a bit . Still feel the medicine some. I hope you all slept better last night too,
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Post by: paul.fr on 11/03/2007 22:48:39
Evening Zwitty,

How are things with you?
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Post by: paul.fr on 11/03/2007 22:50:27
Well took my pills and some cold medicine as I was stuffed, then myother meds and the next thing I knew it was 8:30 am
Do you do this often Karen? Maybe all those pills knocked you out!
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/03/2007 23:09:46
My regular meds and then last night I was really stuffed up and couldn't breath good so I took 2 of those tylonol severe cold tabs.. and the new sleep tablet. Which by the way I don't like. But the Doctor says is safe with my other meds. So No Not often with the cold and the new one thank goodness. they seem to render me not only asleep , but groggy all day and for qute awhild before I sleep.

LOL Sorry Paul that should have said,

" I took mymeds and some cold medicine because I was stuffed up, and the next thing I knew it was 8:30 am. I even thought my phone rang or made noise, but don't remember as I was zonked out. Me thinks the dose is more then I need and He said he is going to cut the sleep one down. after me blood test. we will see. I broke them in half a couple times now as they are so weird.

I have several I take dailey and have for years, have to. But the newbies were the cold medication and the sleep one. so it was a combo of those or just one of them. I don't know.. I am just trying to do what the doctor said. No worries.
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Post by: paul.fr on 12/03/2007 11:32:31
time for me to get to bed.....hope you all sleep well. I guess zwitty is, by his absence!
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/03/2007 11:58:15
Zwitty is a girl Paul.. Me made that mistake too. I hope you are all sleeping well.

Paul good night to you too!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 12/03/2007 19:31:02
lol...thanks Karen!

YES EVERYONE IM A GIRL!!!.....(why do people always think im a bloke!! :o(

i have been sleeping well Paul.....the last 2 weeks have been amazingly good...the last time i slept this well was when i was on hols in august last year...as for what im doing differently...i get up around half 5 every day, weekends included and do a bit of exercise and been eating alot of dried apricots...apparently high in magnesium...doubt thats really helping but they taste good!!

how have you been Paul?...and Karen?...and Neil?.....
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Post by: paul.fr on 12/03/2007 20:56:27
lol...thanks Karen!

YES EVERYONE IM A GIRL!!!.....(why do people always think im a bloke!! :o(

unable to tell male from female........could this be why i am still single? Hi Zwitty, glad you are sleeping and feeling better...i have slipped lately, but it's due to some bad shifts lately messing my sleep up.
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Post by: Zwitterion on 12/03/2007 21:03:26
lol...i think it may explain your singledom!!...as girls tend to have a high pitched voice..if that helps!!...  [:P]
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Post by: paul.fr on 12/03/2007 21:05:12
lol...i think it may explain your singledom!!...as girls tend to have a high pitched voice..if that helps!!...  [:P]

I have made a note of this for future reference...high pitched voice=girl
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Post by: Zwitterion on 12/03/2007 23:13:43
good!!...any more complicated issues such as those which u need resolving feel free to ask....anytime!!  [:P]
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/03/2007 05:01:32
LOL Hi zwitterion and Paul, how are you.. I am getting ready to make an attempt to go to sleep. I don't think I will have a problem as I am whipped I haven't had any sleep since Saturday morning 8:30 am. I am tired.You guys be well. Night night! I hope!
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Post by: paul.fr on 13/03/2007 11:13:44
Hi karen.

well it's way past bed time but george does write long replies. i fear i may never sleep again, i just hope his batteries fail on his keyboard  [;)]

It took me one and a half hours to write a reply and then i went and timed out, but luckily i managed to get back to the page and post it. or i would be cursing right now.

Zwitty is a girl....well i never
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Post by: paul.fr on 13/03/2007 11:16:58
good!!...any more complicated issues such as those which u need resolving feel free to ask....anytime!!  [:P]

anytime.......before i even attempt to ask, can you confirm that you have a high pitched voice?
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Post by: paul.fr on 13/03/2007 11:18:49
well it's neary 11:30 am so i suppose i must try and get some sleep. good night/morning/afternoon all
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/03/2007 14:38:00
George is great. Always a good reply, with alot of nice thought in his posts and mails. *Hugs  Paul!* *Hugs George and smiles and Laughs really hard* You guys are the best.. LOL!! *Hugs zwitterion and Neil two, Can't leave anyone out!*

Sleep well Paul, My connection timed out a couple times too. I think it was the site not us!! Have a nice afternoon to you all, as I hope you had managed some sleep. I did even without the sleep aid..YAYYYYYYYY!I was whipped worn out and so tired.
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Post by: neilep on 23/03/2007 09:23:42
GRRRRRRRRRRR !!......09:21......25 hours !!....grrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!
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Post by: paul.fr on 23/03/2007 09:34:08
GRRRRRRRRRRR !!......09:21......25 hours !!....grrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!

you should have joined us making holiday plans. you could have slept on the plane or the rocking of the boat may have done the trick.
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/03/2007 09:45:56
I am amazed you are both still awake but not surprised! Sorry your awake me too!

Pauls right the cruze was alot of fun soon it will be light and we will be able to see where we are !
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Post by: neilep on 23/03/2007 09:59:56
GRRRRRRRRRRR !!......09:21......25 hours !!....grrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!

you should have joined us making holiday plans. you could have slept on the plane or the rocking of the boat may have done the trick.

I was with you in spirit......I look forward to the trip.......where are we going ?
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Post by: neilep on 23/03/2007 10:01:20
I am amazed you are both still awake but not surprised! Sorry your awake me too!

Pauls right the cruze was alot of fun soon it will be light and we will be able to see where we are !

Why are ewe amazed that I'm awake ?...LOL....I thought you knew that I have this slight tendency to not sleep!......I probably haven't mentioned it before !..LOL
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/03/2007 15:01:28
I am amazed you are both still awake but not surprised! Sorry your awake me too!

Pauls right the cruze was alot of fun soon it will be light and we will be able to see where we are !

Why are ewe amazed that I'm awake ?...LOL....I thought you knew that I have this slight tendency to not sleep!......I probably haven't mentioned it before !..LOL

LOL!!!! Well Sir I must be tired, I just can't recall there ever being a problem in the sleep department!! LOL...Hee hee hee...Frankly You may have mistakingly took me for some one you knew...LOL.... HEE HEE HEE... Perhaps when my mind is more clear I may remember your name and such...well then me can only hope as you sound so interesting and all!! LOL

  As Paul said We have been cruisin and I believe I sat in the sun too long watching a couple hunks play shuffle board and me thinks there may be some permanant brain damage.. from lack of sleep and over exposure to the sun of which my body just couldn't handle... you see there was this bloke on board that refused to share his lovely shaded umbrella area so ...UHHHH I was forced to bake in the hot rays of the sun, and am now suffering from a mild sun stroke!!! LOL LOLPerhaps When I board the ship next, He will be kind enough to share his umbrella LUFF!!!!!!!!!! LOL
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Post by: neilep on 23/03/2007 15:14:57
yes, sitting in the sun watching hunks do shuffle board does have a tendency to have this effect  [;D]
I prescribe shade, a pinocolada and ice cream...just watch out for the head ache and tooth ache ! [;)]
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/03/2007 15:33:53
I will have a go with the ice cream, but will pass on the pinacolada in alchohol form anyways.. I don't like coconut!! LOL..OOps or are those the bear eggs!! OH dear me is recovering my memory!!! LOL
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/03/2007 16:15:44
GRRRRRRRRRRR !!......09:21......25 hours !!....grrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!

you should have joined us making holiday plans. you could have slept on the plane or the rocking of the boat may have done the trick.

I was with you in spirit......I look forward to the trip.......where are we going ?

By the way You asked where we were going, I put in the link which updates every 6o seconds, and this one heads to Martinique!
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Post by: neilep on 23/03/2007 20:00:41
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!..............34 hours and feeling merry !!..YAYYYYYYYYYYY !!  *le sulk*...oh well..that didn't last long did it ?
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Post by: Zwitterion on 23/03/2007 20:27:19
good!!...any more complicated issues such as those which u need resolving feel free to ask....anytime!!  [:P]

anytime.......before i even attempt to ask, can you confirm that you have a high pitched voice?

aaahhhhhh....there you go thats my high pitched voice!!...u convinced?

hows everyone doing?...havent been here for a while?...Neil, sorry to hear your going through another bad bout?...hope u get some good nights...how are u karen and paul?

ive been doing well lately...changed by routine well there was no routine and now i have one!!...i go to bed around 12am-1am and get up for around 5 and that usually tires me out for the next day...havent had to spend hours and hours on the net , watching telly trying to kill time...and i feel so much better for it....i finally feel like im alive...not in a zombie state, feeling crap, unemotional, cold etc....i hope all of your sleeping gets better and hope it gets well soon!!...
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Post by: paul.fr on 23/03/2007 22:52:13
Now i know you are female, Zwitty. All females squeel or scream at me!
glad you are feeling better and getting,if not more, better sleep.
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/03/2007 00:58:44
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!..............34 hours and feeling merry !!..YAYYYYYYYYYYY !!  *le sulk*...oh well..that didn't last long did it ?

BOY OH BOY, I hope you are sleeping now!! Sending lots of fun warm sleeping vibes your way ..Hope you get some rest!! I am off for a few hours and hope I see that you have had a few winks when I return.. sleep ..sleep.. sleep.. sleep!! Sorry feel better soon!!
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Post by: neilep on 24/03/2007 01:11:15
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!..............34 hours and feeling merry !!..YAYYYYYYYYYYY !!  *le sulk*...oh well..that didn't last long did it ?

BOY OH BOY, I hope you are sleeping now!! Sending lots of fun warm sleeping vibes your way ..Hope you get some rest!! I am off for a few hours and hope I see that you have had a few winks when I return.. sleep ..sleep.. sleep.. sleep!! Sorry feel better soon!!

Woopeedooo !!


Nope me still here !!....this is Ok..only about 40 (ish) hours now..a stroll in the park....YAYYYYYYYYYY !!

ho hum !!......I'm glad that I know how to cope with this......
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/03/2007 01:15:18
I am headed to see a play so will check you in a while.. wish I could Zap you with a sleeping spell of some sort!! I am glad you Know how to, I will tell you about the play later. Sorry your not sleeping..Maybe my play I am going to will cheer you up, I hope it works for me too! She said it is a bit twisted so we will see!! LOL Hugs ya! Nite- nite or maybe not, I hope so anyway!!
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Post by: neilep on 24/03/2007 01:49:54
Awww ......ewe have the most wonderful time Karen Mam.....spoil yourself and really let yourself go ...ewe deserve it Karen mam

hugs et les shmishes

Neil
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/03/2007 05:52:35
Well I see you are not on... I be praying and hopin you are a sleepin..
Neily, Kind Sir, YOU would have died laughing and crying The play was very good he did it all wrote acted corriographed whatever produced, He was it , it was great he did a swell Job. I'll tell you more later It was Terriffic!!! He called it "Trailer Park Profit" It was smashing!! Also very profound and humbling, touching wity and further more really charming. I wish You could see it!
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Post by: neilep on 24/03/2007 13:15:56
Do you think he might bring it to Londons West End ?.....Broadway ?

Yep, I finally caught some zzzzzz's..........I believe from 8am !.....
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/03/2007 17:20:18

Oh I am glad you were able to get a bit of sleep! YAYYYYYYY!I hope it has helped.
 
I do not Know what his plans are for his show it was really interesting and he was very good. He has been doing this for a bit. I hope he takes it father.. He got a standing ovation and actually desrved it. He did an excellent job. I loved the simplicity of the stage and props etc It was amazing!
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Post by: neilep on 26/03/2007 08:18:57
08:18am...*le sigh*
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Post by: neilep on 26/03/2007 08:49:42
OK...lets try and take a trip to the land of Zzzzzz's......

hugs ewe all

Neil
xxxxx
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Post by: Karen W. on 26/03/2007 08:57:57
Night Neily, Sleep well, and have a great day!

Hugs you too!

karen
xxxxx
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/03/2007 09:59:42
Well it is about 2:00 am and I am still here. I have had a few good nights and a few equally bad nights. I feel ok but am tired. Zwitterion Neil and Paul, and LO I hope your nights have been successful lately. At least wish for peaceful resolve and some kind of balance ! Man That didn't make sense to any one but me>>LOL sorry guys Sleep well. It's been a long day..
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/03/2007 10:02:15
Well My son left the new James Bond here today so I watched about 45 minutes of that.. so far so good but I will have to watch in chunks as I do not have the eenergy to watch it all at once. I like the New Bond he is Handsome and seems to be a good actor!! YAYYYYYYYYY!
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Post by: paul.fr on 29/03/2007 10:03:44
hi karen, yes i am sleeping a lot better as of late. it's wonderful!!! hope you turn things round soon.
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/03/2007 10:08:14
I am glad you are sleeping better! I hope it keeps it up for you!
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Post by: paul.fr on 29/03/2007 10:19:05
Me too, hay karen. is it a stem or a stalk that is attached to a grape?
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/03/2007 10:24:32
I always say stem, But I don't know if I would be correct or not! I really think it is a stem though! corn stalk and grape stem! Yep Stem...OKie dokie..LOL
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Post by: paul.fr on 29/03/2007 10:29:06
Thanks, memory playing up...again
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/03/2007 10:57:52
Sorry your having memory problems! Me too.. I don't know who I am anymore..LOL Glad to be of service....What did you say your name was......???
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/03/2007 11:03:16
ALL by myself.... I don't wanna be ..All by myself anymore...I don't wanna live.. all by myself anymore.. OHHH man what a depressing song... Yikes..

Me and Mrs Jones... we've got a thing .... going on.....  some better!!
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Post by: neilep on 13/04/2007 06:52:41
*le sigh*.....6:52am...ho hum !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 07:08:02
OH sorry Neily .. How many hours tonight!!..Hugs you..we need to find an online scrabble game we can play!! LOL.. that would be fun Me would win!!LOLwell Maybe not!! LOL You might whip me... You always come up with words I don't even recognise LOL Me has to keep me dictionary at the ready around this place..LOL BTW thatr reminds me I need to buy a new one soon, an up dated one to see why my old one says your luff is an oar!!! LOL. If thats the case we have all been knocked up side the head with your oars as we luff to hear you say that! LOL..
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Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 11:22:13
Hmm.. I talked to Neil about this yesterday.. I was gunna plan to sing a lullaby to him everyday by going to his house.. [:)]


But then I thought better of it, because I can't sing! [;)]
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Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 11:24:43
Btw Karen..

http://www.isc.ro/ (http://www.isc.ro/)

An online scrabble game [:D]
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Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 11:26:23
Orr...

www.spogg.com (http://www.spogg.com)

That one is a good online game site, you can play scrabble, pictionary, snakes, popout.. etc. There are only about 7-8 games, but they're excellent! You need to register, but no downloads. All free, but only 1 hour a day of games. (You need to buy a real gold membership to be unlimited [:(])
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 12:22:11
Hmm.. I talked to Neil about this yesterday.. I was gunna plan to sing a lullaby to him everyday by going to his house.. [:)]



But then I thought better of it, because I can't sing! [;)]




Yeah Me has threatened Neily with singing.. LOL He seems to b immuned to terrible singing LOL.. You are funny!


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Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 12:23:08
Hmm.. I talked to Neil about this yesterday.. I was gunna plan to sing a lullaby to him everyday by going to his house.. [:)]

Yaeh Me has threatened Neily with singing.. LOL He seems to b immuned to terrible singing LOL.. You are funny!


But then I thought better of it, because I can't sing! [;)]

Karen, you do this sometimes [:P]. Where's your comment on the above? [:P]
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 12:28:37
Thanks for the game sites! LOL BTW I did what Neily said I do all the time I forgot to scroll past your quote and it is in your quote! LOL

 I will fix it! It is taking forever for replys to post today!
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Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 12:32:11
Haha... Oh, I just read it now [:P]

By the way, I'm not sure how good the first game site is. Never tried it. I have an account on the second one called Spogg. [:D] Scrabble is called Crosswise there [:P]
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 13:09:31
Hmm.. I talked to Neil about this yesterday.. I was gunna plan to sing a lullaby to him everyday by going to his house.. [:)]
 


But then I thought better of it, because I can't sing! [;)]

Karen, you do this sometimes [:P]. Where's your comment on the above? [:P]

Yeah, Me has threatened Neily with singing.. LOL He seems to b immuned to terrible singing LOL.. You are funny!


Thanks I will check out the games.. Sorry I seem to have some troubles when I am up to long!


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Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 13:13:36
Meh. This site needs to be more active! [:D] I get bored so often. [:P]
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 13:24:29
Yes indeed it can get boring. But I think it is that way for us who are on so much others do not like posting so much, I think we are in a catagory of our own!LOL
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Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 13:27:22
I only post when someone posts! So.. If no one posts, then me no post, so me get bored [:(]

But.. I like it so that all the sections say "Seany" on it as last posted. LOL [:P] I find it amusing ... [;D]
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 13:33:04
I can tell you do.. I hate seeing just my name on the bored as I feel like I am then posting to myself and sometimes I am!! LOL I get bored easily! Thats why I like the forum.. Never known something to hold  my interest for so long.. This is good. A nice place to learn.
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Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 13:34:55
Yep. I like it because we share our knowledge, and learn, give, learn, give, learn. What's better? You LEARN!

Yes.. I do feel guilty when all my names are up there. I feel like I'm trying to dominate these forums! [:o] But I do it anyway, as I have nothing much better to do, and I like typing. [:D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 14:01:31
Learning is the best!  You type fas young man! Whip my tailfeathers in that department!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 14:03:59
Yup. Fastest typer in the school lol [:P] Everyone gawps at me. [:o]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 14:56:57
I bet they do!You are quite fast Young Sir!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 15:00:21
Heh.. I had this little CD when I was young called .. Dunno.. But it was something to do with typing, but it was like a game.

There was like a monkey bar course, and every letter you type right, you go one step further. If you get the letter wrong by accident, then this little green jelly like (flubber kind of) thing would get bigger everytime, until it pops.

It was fun. Improved me alot though [:P]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 15:13:28
Yes I bet it did. I did not start typing until I was about 25 or so!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 15:14:05
Is that when computers started to become more common?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 15:28:09
I never saw a computer here until my daughter was in the 6th grade... LOL We are in the stone ages here with technology..LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 15:30:37
Lol.. I don't remember a time where there wasn't a computer. [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 15:34:53
LOL I remember lots of time without computers LOL !997 I puechased my first one..LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 15:45:40
Lol. I remember having Windows 98.. Stinked though [:P]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 15:49:46
I want to say mine was dos a 286 some weird thing with numbers monitone monitor and it was aweful!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 15:51:10
Lol.. My dad tried explaining me what DOS was.. Tried it out.. A black screen, which you type and commmand and execution files and whatever. Really boring. [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/04/2007 16:30:52
I was one of the lucky ones as my school was a very early adopter of computer studies...I remember having Computer study lessons from 11 onwards...which was nice !
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/04/2007 16:31:21
....I still know ' sod all ' about them though ..LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 16:33:21
Lol. [:D].. I doubt if there is no school now, without a computer.

*sighs*. I still like traditional methods and stuff. [:D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/04/2007 16:38:57
Lol. [:D].. I doubt if there is no school now, without a computer.

*sighs*. I still like traditional methods and stuff. [:D]

This is more my level nowadays !!!  ...and even then ........it's well tough !!


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/neilneil/abacus.jpg)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 16:49:51
Lol. [:D].. I doubt if there is no school now, without a computer.

*sighs*. I still like traditional methods and stuff. [:D]

This is more my level nowadays !!!  ...and even then ........it's well tough !!


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/neilneil/abacus.jpg)

Lol, is that some sort of abbacus? But, ideal for children. [:o]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/04/2007 17:01:36
What ?...ewe mean that's a kiddies one ?........ [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 17:10:10
Lol OK. I believe all grown ups use this [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/04/2007 17:18:10
I have been to china and seen then use these ones

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/neilneil/abaeecus.jpg)


they are ...FAST !!!!...very very fast !!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/04/2007 17:22:28
I have never used one! LOL
Had them in school but prefered me head.. which was horrible! LOL still is!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 17:26:53
Lol.. We have an abbacus somewhere here. We never use it though! I think it's under our piano seat (it opens up..). I hate them though! [:o]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: another_someone on 13/04/2007 17:41:01
It looks to me like an abacus for calculating in base 25 rather than base 10 [:)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 17:47:17
Abacus' are just a kiddies toy. You agree Neil? [:D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/04/2007 17:52:20
Abacus' are just a kiddies toy. You agree Neil? [:D]

Oh yes quite agree Sean!!....and I agree with what ever George said too !!...yes yes..I was thinking the same about the bases !!...............yeah right !!  [::)] [::)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 17:56:01
I don't understand what George was saying about bases lol. Do you Neil? [:D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: another_someone on 13/04/2007 18:00:21
Most common abacuses have two groups of counters in each row, a group of 5 and a group of 2.  The idea is that, since 2 x 5 = 10, so each row can count up to 10.

The abacus you showed had two groups of counters on each row, but they were two groups of 5 counters, and 5 x 5 = 25.  So each row can count to 25 before you move to the next row.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 18:03:37
Oh.. I see now [:)]
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Post by: neilep on 13/04/2007 18:17:36
Of course I knew all that too !!  [::)] [::)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 21:01:10
Neil. If you're going to say it like that. At least don't roll your eyes! Then there is no suspicion [:D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/04/2007 21:05:44
Neil. If you're going to say it like that. At least don't roll your eyes! Then there is no suspicion [:D]

You're right  [;)]...Me gives myself away so easily !! [::)] [::)] [::)] [::)] [::)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/04/2007 21:05:52
DOH !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/04/2007 21:10:26
Lol... You really crack me up you do. [;D]
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/04/2007 17:11:05
yes yo
Neil. If you're going to say it like that. At least don't roll your eyes! Then there is no suspicion [:D]

You're right  [;)]...Me gives myself away so easily !! [::)] [::)] [::)] [::)] [::)]
u do indeedy..LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 17/04/2007 05:55:50
nearly 6am.......my wifes boobies get better support !
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 17/04/2007 09:09:49
[:o] Glad you're so excited.........
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 18/04/2007 03:38:39
Sorry you are so tired Sir. Wish you better.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 20/04/2007 09:39:27
Almost 2:00 am.. no sign of even a nod.. I am going to lay down anyway..Hope your all sleeping well tonight!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 22/04/2007 01:39:14
Hi guys...

thought i'd come back and say hello to everyone, hope you are all well...sorry to hear about your bad sleeping Neil and Karen..Hows are you Paul?..still around?...my sleeping has been better of late...a few bad nights here and there but overall its been good...so ive been a good happy girl!!..its shocking how different u feel when u sleep!...hope u guys sleep well tonight!...take care...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 22/04/2007 02:16:54
Well Am very glad for your sleep I hope you continue to do well. Good luck and take care yourself!

I do know how it feels to get sleep. Ver nice I imagine your work is going bettr too!


Just wish it was better for us all.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/05/2007 06:57:13
nearly 7am........cccccrrrrrruuuuuuuuddddddddddddd !!

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 02/05/2007 07:00:47
Awwww, poor baby...hang in there lil sheepie!
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Post by: neilep on 02/05/2007 07:03:28
Awwww, poor baby...hang in there lil sheepie!

Sure thing Mam...me hangy ony....sing me a lullaby will ya ? *looks at her with wanting sad soppy sheepy eyes....they begin to water as he knows he'll be giving back the Pradas too*
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/05/2007 07:22:49
well, it's 07:21am here...everyone is up.....which means I am going to try and get some shut eye !!


hurrrrumppth !!.I never got my lullaby !! *sheepy flips up his  tail and waddles off to his sheepy nest*

nighty nighty night !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 02/05/2007 07:30:35
NIghty night Neily!
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Post by: Karen W. on 02/05/2007 07:34:33

To the tune of rock a bye baby!

Rock a bye sheepy in the green grass, when the wind blows the , don't scratch your a** ! when the lids close the sleep will come too, and then you will be happy , keeping lo"s shoes!!!! LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 02/05/2007 15:03:04
Most common abacuses have two groups of counters in each row, a group of 5 and a group of 2.  The idea is that, since 2 x 5 = 10, so each row can count up to 10.

The abacus you showed had two groups of counters on each row, but they were two groups of 5 counters, and 5 x 5 = 25.  So each row can count to 25 before you move to the next row.

Better than a calculator, right?  LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 02/05/2007 15:05:27
Awwww, poor baby...hang in there lil sheepie!

Sure thing Mam...me hangy ony....sing me a lullaby will ya ? *looks at her with wanting sad soppy sheepy eyes....they begin to water as he knows he'll be giving back the Pradas too*

I had virtual laryngitis
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 02/05/2007 15:06:33

To the tune of rock a bye baby!

Rock a bye sheepy in the green grass, when the wind blows the , don't scratch your a** ! when the lids close the sleep will come too, and then you will be happy , keeping lo"s shoes!!!! LOL

HEYYYYYY...I need my soxy heels!  All 2 pair of them!  LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/05/2007 16:37:24

To the tune of rock a bye baby!

Rock a bye sheepy in the green grass, when the wind blows the , don't scratch your a** ! when the lids close the sleep will come too, and then you will be happy , keeping lo"s shoes!!!! LOL

Snore !!!..zzzzzzzzzzzzzz  brrrrrrrrrr    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz brrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!....*oh great...now I'm even typing in my sleep !!*
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/05/2007 16:38:37
Awwww, poor baby...hang in there lil sheepie!

Sure thing Mam...me hangy ony....sing me a lullaby will ya ? *looks at her with wanting sad soppy sheepy eyes....they begin to water as he knows he'll be giving back the Pradas too*

I had virtual laryngitis

Here's some virtual medicine !!....ewe don't mind needles do ewe ?..  (http://bestsmileys.com/medical/3.gif)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 02/05/2007 17:35:35

To the tune of rock a bye baby!

Rock a bye sheepy in the green grass, when the wind blows the , don't scratch your a** ! when the lids close the sleep will come too, and then you will be happy , keeping lo"s shoes!!!! LOL

Snore !!!..zzzzzzzzzzzzzz  brrrrrrrrrr    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz brrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!....*oh great...now I'm even typing in my sleep !!*

Sorry You were so tired.. Me two.. I had about2 hours , but The last couple days were spotty! hit and miss! Hope you got some sleep too!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 02/05/2007 19:40:44
Neil sleeping [;)]

(http://www.sheep101.info/Images/sleepinglamb.jpg)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 02/05/2007 19:45:50
Awwww, how sweet.
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Post by: moonfire on 02/05/2007 20:22:19
I had virtual laryngitis
[/quote]

Here's some virtual medicine !!....ewe don't mind needles do ewe ?..  (http://bestsmileys.com/medical/3.gif)
[/quote]

That is a prickly subject....ouch!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 02/05/2007 20:30:47
Neil sleeping [;)]

(http://www.sheep101.info/Images/sleepinglamb.jpg)

LOL  Awww, look at the Neilsy sleep...LOL  Good one Sean!  How did the tests go?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/05/2007 04:10:50
Neily I am so glad to see you sleeping dos me heart good,,, ahhhh what a sweet little thing you is!!! LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 03/05/2007 04:38:04
ARGHHHH!  I can't sleep and now it's too late to take anything!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/05/2007 06:00:10
Sorry you are not sleeping. I dozed in my chair  and was thinking of posts
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 03/05/2007 13:55:05
After a fun night of 90-100mph winds and tornados...we were all able to go to bed this morning at 3am...woo hoo...what an exciting night!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/05/2007 14:37:52
Wow, Loretta are you all ok? I have been in one storm like that here. It can be frightening!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 03/05/2007 20:19:37
LOL  Awww, look at the Neilsy sleep...LOL  Good one Sean!  How did the tests go?

Hi Lo! The exams were really tough, so I'm not really sure. I tried my hardest though [^]

I've been in a 70mph storm once, our shed roof flew off.. How bad was it there? Oh.. also, our greenhouse glass square thing flew off, and it landed on our garden, vertically, and you could see where it dug into the ground, because there was a massive line-dent on the grass!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 04/05/2007 05:23:24
Wow, Loretta are you all ok? I have been in one storm like that here. It can be frightening!

Yes, but it was very cramped in the bathroom with 3 people...tornado sirens had went off until 3am...I kept thinking I managed to go to bed at 2am...bossy and her assistant were tired too...we had no power and it was hot...damage to our properties though....windows blown out...but no one hurt.  The assistant was stuck on the highway for 11/2hrs.  Unbelievable we were just talking about storms the night before!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 04/05/2007 05:27:22
LOL  Awww, look at the Neilsy sleep...LOL  Good one Sean!  How did the tests go?

Hi Lo! The exams were really tough, so I'm not really sure. I tried my hardest though [^]

I've been in a 70mph storm once, our shed roof flew off.. How bad was it there? Oh.. also, our greenhouse glass square thing flew off, and it landed on our garden, vertically, and you could see where it dug into the ground, because there was a massive line-dent on the grass!

Hi Seany! I know you won't have the exams back for a while...but I am sure you did well!
I left work a bit early as we did not have power and the winds starting getting stronger.  I drove through flooded streets and managed well.  My mom, son, and I were stuck in the bathroom too close to each other as the one we had to get into was an interior one.  Cars were strewn about left and right because of the powerful winds.  Tornados were close to us but did not land in our area, just windows blown out and sirens going.  We had a radio, flashlight, and water at our disposal. 
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/05/2007 06:36:40
Geesh Loretta I am glad you are all ok! Do take very good care of yourself!..Glad your safe!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 04/05/2007 22:10:16
Yup. Glad the tornado didn't come your way [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 05/05/2007 05:15:09
Thanks Karen and Seany!  It was there, but then it was gone!  I am glad it didn't hit my condo that is for sure.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/05/2007 07:03:57
Your welcome LO and I am glad it did not either. I don't know how I missed this post.. sorry LO..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/05/2007 07:06:30
I slept two and 1/2 hrs last night and am wide awake again tonight.. Oh Man......I have a long day tomorrow and a staff meeting after work.. I hope sleep gives me a break. I had a few pretty good days until last night!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 10/05/2007 23:19:24
No problem Karen.  I had about 3 hours last night and it was choppy...surprised I could go back to sleep...but did!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/05/2007 07:41:21
I am glad you did! I hope you sleep well.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/05/2007 13:26:22
5:25 am And still can't sleep..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/05/2007 17:31:06
9:30 Am looks like a no go.. LOL Have to go to work Everyone have a great day and be well.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 11/05/2007 22:17:11
Hi Karen! How are you today? [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/05/2007 02:16:43
Tired and Achy But I am fine. How are you Seany? How is school dooing?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/05/2007 05:30:55
9:29Pm...Well crud....I am hungry.. and tired..Tired and hungry!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 12/05/2007 12:31:18
Tired and Achy But I am fine. How are you Seany? How is school dooing?

School is great. All the scholars (9 of us) have finished the exams, so we're all laid back. The other people (25 of them) still have important exams coming up.. Heehee! Teachers set us different projects so that we go in the library or computer room to research and print.

For example, in history, we're allowed to do a project on anything. Like the history of guns, weapons etc.. History of football. Stuff

For R.E, we pick a project on any religion, christianity, budhism, islam..

For Geography, we pick any country and write about it.

It's cool [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/05/2007 14:59:26
Sounds like you have your hands full and are staying busy! Good for you. I hope you do well.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 12/05/2007 17:03:02
Staying busy? Straying from busy!! [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/05/2007 18:32:43
LOL Shame on you!! LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/05/2007 12:36:36
Yes.. Well.. TNS is keeping moi busy! [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/05/2007 16:48:56
Well I sure like it and am always finding out cool information! I tell everyone to Join..LOL I know lots of people who Love Science..LOL I never thought about that! I wonder why I know so many science oriented people, I do not mean in the forum but here at home..LOL!  Interesting! I have one friend, acquaintance who is a physicist! She is terrific! Another who is a marine biologist, another who is a  Biologist also, but has a huge knowledge base into Astronomy..Physics.. I am glad you have a idea as to what you will be doing.. That is terrific!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/05/2007 16:53:07
Wow.. all my friends hate science.. So did I.. Until I came here.. [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/05/2007 17:36:29
You Hate science..LOL what changed your mind?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/05/2007 17:40:16
TNS...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/05/2007 17:59:17
COOL!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/05/2007 18:03:44
LOL. Its because science classwork is so detailed towards one thing and it gets boring. TNS is so broad with great facts which we share amongst us, so it's awesome [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/05/2007 18:13:07
I agree and I think we all like that about this forum!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/05/2007 18:16:01
Lets get back on topic... How did you you manage 11 to 11 for sleeping.. Oh My that sounds so good!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/05/2007 18:16:18
Yup. That is the climax of this forum! [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/05/2007 18:17:01
Lets get back on topic... How did you you manage 11 to 11 for sleeping.. Oh My that sounds so good!

LOL.. 11 to 11... Well.. I did go to the toilet in between and I was awake for about an hour or so, but it was so cosy and warm so I stayed in. Heehee.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/05/2007 18:33:08
OOOOOOH,  That sounds Like my youth... OH sometimes I would like to go back..LOL then I think NO THANKS... I am alive and made it so the past is the past and thats that! LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 13/05/2007 20:20:30
LOL... I like it young.. Apparently according to my dad, all they wanted to do was grow up and work and all that. But children now don't want to do this, or my friends don't anyway.. They like it just the way it is, going to school, chillin' [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/05/2007 23:33:35
We all have different views as children and are raised differently, that is what shapes us into who we are as adults.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 14/05/2007 18:51:01
Childhood is soooo fun. Dun't ya think? [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: kdlynn on 15/05/2007 00:31:17
actually, being a grown up is pretty fun too.... it has it's bad moments... like bills and responsibilities and stuff... but i'd rather be twenty three than thirteen any day!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/05/2007 03:57:21
Boy me too!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 15/05/2007 21:06:09
23 is a good age. I mean 30-40 years old! Everything gets on top of you, apparently. Oh, apart from the exam time in school! [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 25/05/2007 06:03:28
LOL.. You are so funny..LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 25/05/2007 06:47:09
Are you up still Karen?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 25/05/2007 17:52:53
Whoops I was up but missed this post! Sorry Lo No sleep last night? I was up untill after 2 Am then night before I went to sleep 5:30ish or 6:00 am was back at it before 8:00 am. about two hours. I was whipped last night.. slept from about 2 to 5:30 this morning! 3and a half hours. That was ok!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 25/05/2007 17:54:29
I get so tired and take things the wrong way when people post or misunderstand things.. It's not good.. start to feeling like I need to hide.. LOL Pull a Neily!! LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: kdlynn on 26/05/2007 00:06:47
no hiding! we'd cry
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 26/05/2007 09:29:04
HEY WHY DOES MY POSTS KEEP DISAPPEARING? HELP GEORGE! LOL I HAVE POSTED TWICE TO THIS ..IN THE SAME SPOT.. NO POST NOW IT IS GONE!

DON,T WORRY I WON'T BE HIDING.. I HOPE..BUT IT IS SORELY TEMPTING WHEN I AM FEELING LIKE THAT!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 26/05/2007 11:35:01
3 :30 am I am going to trie to go to sleep again.. Hope you are all sleeping Like little lambies!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 26/05/2007 12:55:35
Hope you are sleeping well. [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 26/05/2007 18:25:47
Sleep is over.. Thanks Seany!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 26/05/2007 18:30:25
Hope you had a good one [:(]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 26/05/2007 19:12:18
Thanks for asking Seany.. Your a nice..young man
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 26/05/2007 22:13:51
Yes.. You seem to say that alot. [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 26/05/2007 23:12:42
I slept a couple hours!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 26/05/2007 23:22:03
Me slept about 10 hours. [:o]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 26/05/2007 23:44:50
I am glad you did.. Must have been great!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 27/05/2007 13:30:22
Yep.. Am so sorry you did not. [:(]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 27/05/2007 17:17:03
Yep.. Am so sorry you did not. [:(]

Would you quit being so sad faced... Smile you! I am good.. I slept good last night! OK!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: moonfire on 27/05/2007 18:25:59
Oh, sorry Karen, I did not get your post earlier...but more worried about you than ever...slept well last night considering the night before 30 minutes maybe after mom woke me up and back at 6ish in the morning almost overslept before going to work...

Last night I hit the covers at about 1am and slept until 7am....6 whopping hours! 
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 27/05/2007 18:35:43
No Worries I am ok.. Just feel like ..never mind not going to think about it anymore.. Be well and thanks for the post.

I am glad you got some last night too. Don't you love how we always tell each other to get some rest.. LOL as if we don't try to get rested.. LOL Oh well do the best you can and so will I!
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Post by: Seany on 27/05/2007 20:23:14
Have you tried running 10 miles or something? Or cycling until you are soo tired..
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Post by: Karen W. on 27/05/2007 20:54:24
I am not allowed to run. I do not have a stationary bike but have used my treadmill to wear myself down to a tired mode.. It still doesnt work.. I am always tired, that is not the problem just not sleepy there is a difference..LOL
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Post by: Seany on 28/05/2007 13:07:26
Hmm.. OK.. Sleeping pills are your last option? [:P]
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/05/2007 17:09:27
I slept 4 hours last night.. That is good.
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Post by: Seany on 28/05/2007 17:14:01
Whopeeee!! You're improving [;D]
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/05/2007 17:49:25
You are so silly! LOL Cheesy Boy!
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Post by: Seany on 28/05/2007 18:10:28
*Cheese* [;D]
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/05/2007 18:58:21
LOL.. your so funny.. LOL That smiley needs his picture taken..
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Post by: Seany on 28/05/2007 19:03:29
*Flash*
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/05/2007 19:41:15
"what the heck are you dong?" "There is no flashing allowed in the forum!" "You know better then that young man!"
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Post by: Seany on 28/05/2007 21:09:02
I can't tell if you are serious or not by those remarks.. LOL

Just to make things certain, I meant flash as in the flash of a camera.

I suppose you knew, but, being ironic? [:P]
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/05/2007 21:21:29
WHOOPS I forgot my LOL!!! HEE HEE HEE.. I knew what you meant and thought it quite clever very witty and I loved it!  [:P]  "SO THERE!"
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Post by: Seany on 29/05/2007 11:32:44
LOL! [;D]
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/05/2007 16:59:50
I slept well most of the night last night and till almost 8:00 AM this morning It was two something when I went to sleep. SO I think around 6 hrs..
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Post by: Seany on 29/05/2007 17:02:06
Wow!! That is great!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/05/2007 19:30:49
It is great.. I think medications are way stronger right now..
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Post by: Seany on 29/05/2007 21:15:00
Oh, are you on medications?
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/05/2007 21:27:01
Yes of course!
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/05/2007 21:27:13
LOL!!
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Post by: moonfire on 30/05/2007 05:05:15
So true karen we tell each other to rest and don't do it...lol
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Post by: Seany on 30/05/2007 12:26:19
Wow.. Karen.. 6 hours is good!

Aim: 10 hours. [;)]
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Post by: Karen W. on 30/05/2007 14:59:49
I am at 15.. LOL But there is no way  that will ever happen I have had occasional 8 hrs but they are very rare.. very nice but rare.. Funny thing when that happens I feel horrible when I wake as if I have slept all day long and gotten too much sleep! LOL it always makes the next night more  difficult to sleep!
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Post by: Seany on 30/05/2007 17:35:01
Yep... [;)] Too much sleep makes the next sleep hard [;D]
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Post by: Karen W. on 30/05/2007 19:02:17
Yes it does in my case makes the next one almost impossible.. LOL
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Post by: Seany on 31/05/2007 00:07:39
Heeheee... Well.. Hope you have a great sleep! I won't be on much tomorrow...
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Post by: Karen W. on 31/05/2007 00:34:16
Thanks Seany.. You have a great day tomorrow! Goodnight!
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Post by: Karen W. on 01/06/2007 15:23:41
Well finally slept last night I was whipped. Feel a little better today!
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Post by: Seany on 01/06/2007 17:55:45
YAYYYYYYYYYY [;D}
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Post by: Karen W. on 01/06/2007 21:37:04
*SMILES*
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Post by: Seany on 01/06/2007 22:11:18
*Smirks* Heehee!
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Post by: Karen W. on 01/06/2007 22:49:27
What are you doing up so late?
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Post by: Seany on 02/06/2007 14:44:09
It was only 10:11pm..?

I was on here till about 1-2 am about a month ago, during my exam revision period.. LOL
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Post by: Karen W. on 02/06/2007 16:57:15
Seemed so late.. LOL I must be Mad!
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Post by: Karen W. on 07/06/2007 10:22:08
Okily dokily.. 2:20 am.. can't sleep tonight.. worried, have gotten a dry cough and am bored stiff! Thinking of taking up sky diving!

Maybe Bungee jumping!LOL
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Post by: Karen W. on 07/06/2007 10:23:59
OH Yes, and I can't get the potty chair song out of my head!  You all know the one.. "How dry I am" LOL
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Post by: Karen W. on 07/06/2007 12:37:40
Ok 4:27 am.. Have a huge headache.. still can't sleep and may have finally successfully downloaded my scanner softwear ... SHHHH if I don't speak to soon and it stops! LOL6 times is a charm!  hahahahahaha LOL  YES SUCCESS! ...YAYYYYYYYYYYYY! 
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Post by: Karen W. on 07/06/2007 13:55:27
Well 5:52 am.... Looks like i am in it for the duration! Yikes.. I hope everyone else is sleepy eyed and dreaming!
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Post by: kdlynn on 07/06/2007 15:55:37
i fell right asleep... then had a nightmare and was up half the night
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Post by: Karen W. on 07/06/2007 21:04:07
Its now 1:03 pm still awake Headache is gone mostly! Something did not work right on my scanner! trying again!
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/06/2007 06:19:10
OK it is 10:17 Pm and once again I am going to make an attempt to sleep.. I feel good for sleep.. It feels like all will be well. No wiggly squiggly legs and normal brain function.. LOL if one could assume me to be normal! LOL
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/06/2007 15:35:29
I was able to get to sleep by about 1 30 AM and slept until 6Am4 and half hours.. by sides were sore from laying funny cause me back hurts.. LOL But I feel better. as a matter of fact I am thinking of another nap, as I am still feeling a tad tired.. we will see.....
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/06/2007 00:15:36
went to sleep about 5:3o am and woke up at around 8;00 AM.
I made my appointment for my sleep study It is set for  Friday July 13 , sooner if they have a cancellation!

What a mess of paperwork for that! LOL!
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Post by: Karen W. on 16/06/2007 10:18:11
2:17 AM.. still awake!
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Post by: paul.fr on 17/06/2007 17:18:36
Where is Zwitty? I hope she has not been asleep all this time!
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Post by: Karen W. on 17/06/2007 18:27:33
Last I heard she had been sleeping way better. I hope she still is!
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/07/2007 12:04:23
Well here I am again.. 3:51 am into 3rd night without any sleep... so tired..I have read watched movies, listened to silence listened to quiet music, hummed to myself posted,worked on my desk. read site posts, fixing to try again..Hope all of you non sleepers are sleeping well.
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Post by: Seany on 08/07/2007 12:57:33
Oh dear!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/07/2007 13:02:33
Hi Seany.. How did you sleep Last night?
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Post by: Seany on 08/07/2007 13:15:20
Ermm.. Slept from about 1:30am to 11:am.. Hehee
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/07/2007 13:30:41
Ermm.. Slept from about 1:30am to 11:am.. Hehee

I remember being able to do that when I was really young while I was pregnant with my daughter..I am glad you sleep so good.. I wish it had been me for one night! LOL
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Post by: Seany on 08/07/2007 13:54:45
[;D]
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/07/2007 15:49:06
I am about to try a gain..7:48 AM.  night afternoon good day...
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/07/2007 22:57:40
OK 4and 1/2 hours of sleep! YAYYYYYYYYYYY! I am still tired but much better now! I really think that stretch was new meds!!! Was particularly long stretch without sleep.. glad I fell asleep!
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Post by: Seany on 09/07/2007 18:29:33
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY [;D]
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/07/2007 14:54:55
That beats nothing at all. How did your exam go?
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Post by: Seany on 11/07/2007 10:30:55
LOL.. I went in the exam room with.. Not much worry.. Because I knew I wouldn't do that good anyway.

The exams for music in UK goes from.. Grade 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8.

8 being the highest, and then you move on to your diploma.

I took my grade 8.. [;D] Only had 1 month practise.. Usually you have about a year.. LOL!

Anyway.. I didn't care what result I came with.. Funny really, because usually I worry and my hands go all cold before the exam.. But I didn't care this time..

Because even if I failed it, I wouldn't have to face another exam for months. Which gives me this delight [;)]

You either pass with a normal pass (100/150), a merit pass (120/150) or a distinction pass (130/150).

I think I either failed or just passed [;)]
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/07/2007 12:16:00
I am glad you did not get nervous! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! This surely must have helped you! Sounds like you did a great job!

Top Grade I suspect... Now I really need to figure out your site so I can hear you play! I am proud of you! Excellent Job YOUNG MAN!
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Post by: neilep on 19/07/2007 11:25:40
30 hours straight !!

YAWN !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 19/07/2007 11:29:53
I here you I was at 38 a few days ago and finaly got a huge sleep! Sorry your not sleeping!
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Post by: neilep on 19/07/2007 12:24:24
Unfortunately, I will surpass 38 hours in about seven hours time and will continue onto the wee small hours of the morrow !.

Please forgive any unusual quirkiness !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 19/07/2007 12:28:59
You know I will! I understand! I wish I could zap you with some magic sleep potion.. Best I can do is wish you better and rest!
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Post by: neilep on 19/07/2007 12:33:23
Sleepy tabs at the ready for a restful night methinks !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 19/07/2007 12:36:53
Sleepy tabs at the ready for a restful night methinks !!

Oh Good that is good! I am glad.. You need to keep up as much sleep as you can. I have been trying really hard.. I slept 9 and 1/2 hours not yesterday but night before  was so shocked I woke at 1:00 in the afternoon! LOL You will feel better after you sleep Kind Sir!
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Post by: neilep on 19/07/2007 13:29:48
Thanks EWE Karen.

9 1/2 hours !!!!!!!!!...WOW !!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 19/07/2007 13:48:58
Your completely welcome!

Yeah I liked to keeled over when I seen the clock but it had been a long one previously!
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Post by: Karen W. on 19/07/2007 14:42:17
Hey speaking of sleep when you had your sleep study how the heck did you get all the goop off your hair where they attached the probes.. I have washed my hair many times since last Saturday morning when I come home and still have some stuck on scalp.. it has broke my head out and by morning when he went to pull the probes off my neck they had broke my neck out real bad and when he ripped the things off of my neck and I do say ripped, he tore a spot open on my neck and it has scabbed over it burned like crazy for several days! now it is healing and almost gone but still tender.. did you have trouble with the conductive gel???
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Post by: paul.fr on 20/07/2007 20:45:28
Hi guys...

thought i'd come back and say hello to everyone, hope you are all well...sorry to hear about your bad sleeping Neil and Karen..Hows are you Paul?..still around?...my sleeping has been better of late...a few bad nights here and there but overall its been good...so ive been a good happy girl!!..its shocking how different u feel when u sleep!...hope u guys sleep well tonight!...take care...

Are you still visiting, Zwitty?

I hope you have this sleeping thing cracked, i am now on 3 hours per day. which i suppose is good when compared to say, Neil and Karen, now if only it was a continuous 3 hours. I wake up almost on the dot one hour after retiring. do do manage to get back to sleep but only for another two hours.

Oh well, can't sit hear moaning...when i can go and moan at other!
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Post by: neilep on 20/07/2007 22:02:23
Karen, I've had three sleep studies...each time (if I wasn't bald) they would just shave a bit of hair off and so I did not have all that gloop on me.....they shaved my chest too !...and my bollox ..LOL !!

(http://bestsmileys.com/sleeping/18.gif)
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/07/2007 11:30:13
Karen, I've had three sleep studies...each time (if I wasn't bald) they would just shave a bit of hair off and so I did not have all that gloop on me.....they shaved my chest too !...and my bollox ..LOL !!

(http://bestsmileys.com/sleeping/18.gif)


NO WAY!!!! They did not attach probes to me there! Well you know what I mean! LOL Two on my shins to on my chest and 8 on my face and throat I think and a crud load of them on my head in my hair! two on my back and the 1 on my right pointer finger! LOL Did that not hurt when they pulled that off!!!! OUCCCCCCHHHHHHH!!!!!! OH MY GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWD !!! The one on my right side throat he ripped it off and I had had a allergic reaction to his goop or glue and when he ripped it tore the skin off my neck and bled .. after i stopped the bleeding and about three days into it, I looked like I had been in the cupboard sucking face with some handsome hunk, and had a big hickey on the side of my neck! LOL.. LOL
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Post by: neilep on 30/07/2007 03:40:41
LOL....They didn;t really attach probes there Karen !!

I agree...it's almost impossible to actually get to sleep with all the sensors attached...that is why I've always been allowed my sleepy tabs !

In fact...I'm on them tonight.....5th night in a row......not good !!....bit drowsy right now !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 30/07/2007 06:27:37
OH I am sorry you still have not slept.. Neily oh man Now I am sending you a knock out spell.. LOL I really wish I knew one.. Please be careful 5 nights in a row at that dosage is not good....

I have to go back for the second sleep study this time with knock out pills to help me sleep.. so they can calculate the amount of air needed to keep my air passage open to sleep all night.. Hey you know what they said.. That this machine will help eliminate all those migraines I have been having upon waking for the last several years.. will also help the heart to be better oxygenated throughout the night which will benefit it greatly!
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Post by: Karen W. on 30/07/2007 06:28:31
Please sleep well Sending many good wishes for a restful sleep!
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Post by: neilep on 01/08/2007 03:11:28
Well, I had a night (last night) without pills and so tonight I have decided to take them again. I have to be really really careful I don't get caught in a trap here......These sleepy tabs are easy to become dependent on and for the last 30 years I have been a model citizen when it comes to their use.....
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Post by: Karen W. on 01/08/2007 03:32:06
Yes you have just watch your dosage sheepy...I know you need to sleep.. but like you said just be careful eh... already worry about it..sleep well tonight sweet dreams..
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Post by: Zwitterion on 11/08/2007 19:19:40
"Are you still visiting, Zwitty?

I hope you have this sleeping thing cracked, i am now on 3 hours per day. which i suppose is good when compared to say, Neil and Karen, now if only it was a continuous 3 hours. I wake up almost on the dot one hour after retiring. do do manage to get back to sleep but only for
another two hours."

Hi Paul, yes im still visiting but on very rarely. Sorry to hear about your sleeping as well Karen and Neils....Im still struggling with mine but ive come to the conclusion that this is life and accept it....i still go many nights without sleep...or with very few hours sleep but overall it is slightly better than it was. I try not to think about it much and also try not to let my plans be changed becoz of it and at the same time stop reading etc about it to. I just live on loadsof of caffiene during the day just to get me thru.

How are you Paul anyways?...hows life treating you?...and hows your sleeping?

also how are you Neil and Karen?



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Post by: Karen W. on 11/08/2007 20:09:25
Hi Zwitterion, Glad to hear you are getting some sleep however little it is. Mine is hit and miss and feel the same as you about trying not to dwell on it so much!..It helps to try to go about as usual and not dwell on it to much as that can make me grumpy.. LOL !!!
 I am glad you are still around.. please come often and enjoy other parts of the site as well. There are many different topics to explore as well! Nice to hear from you. Please take care.. How is your work going?
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Post by: paul.fr on 11/08/2007 22:09:24
Hi Zwitty,

Glad to hear you are doing fine, still playing tennis?

As for me, well i have had Anastasia for the past 3 weeks and it has been great. Not only that, but she tires me out so much that i hace been getting 9 hours sleep a day!!!

She is going back to her mums tomorrow for the rest of the holidays, so i will be at a loss. I hope this sleeping thing continues, fingers crossed.
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/08/2007 08:36:30
I hope you continue to get your sleep also! Tell Anastasia Thanks for the cool projects for my preschool kids and nieces and nephews! It was nice to see her again.. She is growing so fast!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 13/08/2007 19:15:48
Hi Paul,Karen,

Paul- good to hear your sleeping well..and enjoying your time with your daughter..friends, family keep telling me to have kids and that way i wont be complaining about insomnia again...sounds like it may be worth a go!! :o)

Yes im still playing tennis...the seasons just finished and we're getting promoted which is good!...its hard sometimes as i'll be playing matches without any sleep but managed to get thru it...u just have to be strong....also i think physical exercise is a stimulant in itself!.

Anyways whereabts in the uk are you from? and what do u do?...sorry if ive asked u before but my memory isnt too hot!

Karen - hows things with you?..sorry again to hear about your sleeping too!..have u had a sleep study done?..how did it go?...are you still taking alot of medication?....hope your well!....
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/08/2007 19:34:09
Yep.. I have had two done.. now and am fixing to be put on a machine to sleep with.. Yep still lots of meds. ( at the moment fixing to jump to ten! LOL... I am ok.

Am glad to hear that you are getting a few hours.I wish it were continueous.. mine are hit and miss.. some days I sleep pretty decent other days not at all some days sporatic.. on off little cat naps at my computer.. like boom and all of a sudden I am out cold.. I don't understand that.. why not in my bed why when I don't expect it. like typing away and the next thing I know the page is filled with whatever my head hit going down... Quite embarrassing! Makes it difficult to drive..
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Post by: Zwitterion on 14/08/2007 00:11:17
are you suffering from narcolepsy then?...sounds like if you fall asleep suddenly then u may be!
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/08/2007 01:39:59
I don't think so. It only happens after many many many hrs of no sleep!.. It is like I just off!
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Post by: neilep on 14/08/2007 10:03:56
Bah Humbug !!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 14/08/2007 14:38:10
i had a really bad night last night...i slept 3 hrs on sunday night and then couldnt fall asleep till half 5 this morning and then slept for 4 hrs and i feel awful...im trying to keep a positive slant on things but feel awful and ive already had a few arguments with ppl and i didnt mean too....my eyes hurt, my heads hurt and body doesnt feel like doing anything........ive got the day off work , justg as well as wouldnt have been able to cope...im sure ill bounce back once ive had a few good days but at the moment life doesnt look to good...just feel like taking sleeping pills or something just to get my head to shut down and get over this zombified feeling but im going to resist until i cant handle it anymore...people dont realise how hard coping with sleep deprivation is and i feel for all of you guys too!...
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Post by: neilep on 14/08/2007 16:14:08
Hi Zwitty,

let me offer you consolation....it's Tuesday yep ?...I have been up since Saturday 11am...prior to that I'd slept about 2 hours at 15 minute intervals.

What happen with me..is that I fall asleep then IMMEDIATELY awake !!..and some how my body is tricked into thinking it's slept longer !!

Even my own friggin snores wake me up ?

I saw a program all about this condition a while ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_Familial_Insomnia
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: paul.fr on 14/08/2007 16:23:41
family keep telling me to have kids and that way i wont be complaining about insomnia again...sounds like it may be worth a go!! :o)


I do offer this as a free service.
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Post by: Zwitterion on 14/08/2007 16:26:55
Hey Neil,

How are you?...or is that a stupid question to ask.

Youve been up since saturday?...OMG!...i think ill shut up then!...how do u cope with so much time without sleep!...how do u feel at the moment...does your head, eyes hurt?...can you still see the positive in things?...my head just switches to negative mode when i dont sleep!...i really feel for you!

Have you not taken any sleeping pills since sat?

had a very quick read of the link....does someone else in your family also suffer from it?
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Post by: neilep on 14/08/2007 16:48:48
Hey Zwitty,

I'm fine...just very careless at the moment.

Fortunately , just me with sleep issues....though my 11 year old daughter has been showing signs for the last couple of years in that she regularly comes down to be with me at 2-3am.......

LOL...I.m a pessimist so there's not much positivity except(sick mode)..when I see my kids smile !!

really good to see you Zwitty..hugs
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/08/2007 18:03:05
Bah Humbug !!

Hey You...I wish you were sleeping. Hugs
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/08/2007 18:03:53
Hey Zwitty,

I'm fine...just very careless at the moment.

Fortunately , just me with sleep issues....though my 11 year old daughter has been showing signs for the last couple of years in that she regularly comes down to be with me at 2-3am.......

LOL...I.m a pessimist so there's not much positivity except(sick mode)..when I see my kids smile !!

really good to see you Zwitty..hugs

Kids are wonderful Like that!
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/08/2007 18:08:55
Hi Zwitty,

let me offer you consolation....it's Tuesday yep ?...I have been up since Saturday 11am...prior to that I'd slept about 2 hours at 15 minute intervals.

What happen with me..is that I fall asleep then IMMEDIATELY awake !!..and some how my body is tricked into thinking it's slept longer !!

Even my own friggin snores wake me up ?

I saw a program all about this condition a while ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_Familial_Insomnia

I was there Last week.. It was lousy.. I am so sorry you feel so badly..

Stop reading that scary crap!!!! It just makes you feel worse Kind Sir!...

Nice program to watch.. I swear!! ..I hope you sleep better Neily...


Zwitterion i AM SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR SLEEP BEING ALL MESSED UP. i KNOW THE FEELING BUT FORTUNATELY HAD SOME KIND OF HIT AND MISS SLEEP LAST NIGHT! WISHING YOU BOTH THE BEST!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 14/08/2007 23:57:57
family keep telling me to have kids and that way i wont be complaining about insomnia again...sounds like it may be worth a go!! :o)


I do offer this as a free service.

....thanks for the offer!!....ill keep it in mind!! ;o)
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Post by: neilep on 15/08/2007 01:24:57
I've just taken 15mg of Nitrazepam....YAYYYYYYYY !!

sleep will happen within the next 90 minutes !!...

joy joy joy !!!......snore !!
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Post by: neilep on 15/08/2007 01:49:13
.lol.......I'm not surprised it's working quicker than usual...off to bed !!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !!
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Post by: paul.fr on 15/08/2007 07:21:27

....thanks for the offer!!....ill keep it in mind!! ;o)

No problem, Zwitty.

I have this new theory, if i offer then one day i'm bound to get an affermative answer...well one day.
It's nice to see you back, but the reason is not too good. Since Anastasia went to her mums on sunday i have been back to crappy sleep, up for 30 hours sunday and not much sleep since then.

I have to say, it's just like neils. I went to bed at 11 ish yeaterday morning and within an hour i was back up, i could have sworn i had been asleep for hours but a quick look at the clock proved me wrong. Then i did swear.

I hope to get more this morning.
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/08/2007 13:31:23
.lol.......I'm not surprised it's working quicker than usual...off to bed !!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !!

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY! Glad to hear it! Nice job.. Sleep Good Neily!
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/08/2007 13:34:58

....thanks for the offer!!....ill keep it in mind!! ;o)

No problem, Zwitty.

I have this new theory, if i offer then one day i'm bound to get an affermative answer...well one day.
It's nice to see you back, but the reason is not too good. Since Anastasia went to her mums on sunday i have been back to crappy sleep, up for 30 hours sunday and not much sleep since then.

I have to say, it's just like neils. I went to bed at 11 ish yeaterday morning and within an hour i was back up, i could have sworn i had been asleep for hours but a quick look at the clock proved me wrong. Then i did swear.

I hope to get more this morning.




Sorry You are not sleeping well Guys.. I am hoping we all sleep better soon. Hugs you all.. feel better!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 16/08/2007 01:04:51
Neil good to hear you manage to get some sleep even though it was drug induced!.

Paul - maybe you might get lucky!! ;o) ...sorry to hear about your sleeping, from what i gather from this thread it seems the main issue for you is your daughter which is causing you sleep problems...is that right?....you really need to sort something out as atleast if thats the case you know the source of the problem and you can start changing the way you think....altho i know its much harder said than done but if you dont sort it then sleep will forever be an issue for you even if youve manage to sort out the issue with your daughter....am i making sense?...apologise if i dont...bad night!!

Karen - hope your sleeping well at the moment!.....

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Post by: Karen W. on 16/08/2007 03:49:31
No Not sleeping, but thanks for the thoughts take care.Hope you sleep better!
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Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 11:19:56
no sleep for the weary!
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Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 11:32:46
Hi Neily I see you don't seem to be sleeping.. sorry! Hope all is well.
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2007 06:55:17
Still awake eh???
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Post by: neilep on 04/09/2007 07:12:24
*le yawn*

yes mam !
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2007 07:28:36
Sorry..Sir, Are you worrying about stuff???
I hope you are feeling better.. I am going to post a picture in a moment of crater Lake!
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Post by: Seany on 05/09/2007 11:12:40
Mehhh... Hope you guys sleep well tonight [;)]
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Post by: Seany on 05/09/2007 11:13:20
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/ptr0100l.jpg)
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2007 02:50:44
Thanks Seany.. You too young man!
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Post by: neilep on 06/09/2007 05:40:30
LOL......great piccy for the seany youngster !!


*le sigh et le yawn*
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2007 06:51:32
Oh dear, how long is this round gone Sir? How ya doing? I am going to try again soon! Nervous my son is leaving again.. He left come home now they want him back again so he is going!

Its hot and muggy and I feel icky.. How is your weather? My arm is sore from 4 blood draws today!
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/09/2007 13:35:56
Heya.. does anyone know much about an APAP machine.. I was sleeping away and it started beeping at me, periodically as if it was an alarm clock ... are they supposed to yell at you and wake you up or help you sleep! Help I am confused... After about the 30th beep over and hour it seemed I could not go back to sleep.. It also lit up real bright around the buttons...
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Post by: neilep on 09/09/2007 03:18:08
Cool

Life's a real mushy bed of zzzzds when you've had  sleepy tabs joy  as I had half hour ago....whoopee doo !I will shleep shoon !!....

ps: I am conscious enuff to mention that sleepy tabs are a last resort !!..do not take them willy-nilly !!.
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Post by: neilep on 09/09/2007 03:20:34
Karen..I dontl know what an APAP machine is.....I'm sorry it woke you but perhaps..as you suspect..it was sheeposed too !!

can ewe tell us what it is ?

LOl...yawning constantly now |!!..which is nice !!...is this what most people do ?...yawn a lot and then sleep ?

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Post by: kdlynn on 09/09/2007 07:23:39
karen... i think if you stop breathing or come close to it it alerts you that you should be breathing
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Post by: Karen W. on 09/09/2007 13:07:09
You might be right!
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Post by: mei on 09/09/2007 22:03:32

IS ANYONE OUT THERE INTERESTED IN TRYING ACUPUNCTURE TO TREAT THEIR INSOMNIA?

Hi!  My name is  Mei Cheung, I am in the final clinical year of a Bsc Acupuncture course. For my dissertation, I am doing it on the subject of Insomnia, with interest on Delay Sleep Phase Syndrome (DSPS). This would take place at a teaching clinic in north London.

For those of you who are not familiar with acupuncture, this science and art is part of the umbrella of Traditional Chinese Medicine which dates back 3500 years. Acupuncture is well known to be able to treat insomnia, and on matters of the “spirit”; Chinese Medicine sees insomnia as the Spirit or mind disturbed whereas western science views it in terms of neuroscience.  Acupuncture is a holistic system in which the individual is seen as unique and all aspects of the individuals health, constitution, personal, social, dietary lifestyle is taken into consideration of before the practitioner arrives at a diagnosis and forms tailored treatment plan upon needs of the patient.

Insomnia occurs in individuals when there is an imbalance of the body’s “Qi” (vital energy) due to an excessive pathogenic state or underlying deficiency.  In another words, this imbalance of Qi occurs when mind and body is subjected to long-term psychological and physiological stresses which can impact the “spirit” of the individual in a most damaging way. Acupuncture seeks to readdress this imbalance by needling a set of strategic meridian points on the body which to put it simply, unblocks those stagnant energies of the body which were responsible for the symptoms of insomnia and poor health. By manipulation of the needles, we aim to reach a balance of the Yin and Yang and a therefore a state of equilibrium within our mind and body.

If anyone were interested in having treatment, you would need to commit yourself to at least 6 sessions, which constitute 1 treatment period (acupuncture has an accumulative effect). Each session takes about an hour. The treatment takes place on Monday afternoons at the college clinic.  All treatments are supervised by teaching staff and strictly adhere to the code of ethics and health & safety regulations stipulated by the British Acupuncture Council (BacC).

Please email me soon if you are interested!  I am looking to treat within the next 2 weeks from 16/9/07 till mid October.  The deadline for appointments is 24/9/07. Any requests after this date, sorry may not be accepted and subject to availability.

The cost of treatment is  £15 (£10 for concessions) the teaching clinic is a registered non-profit organisation.

Thanks, hope to meet some of you out there..
Mei


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Post by: Karen W. on 09/09/2007 23:28:14
Hey Neil You should try it!  See if it works!
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Post by: Seany on 10/09/2007 08:06:58
I'm not so sure.. I don't believe in those Chinese acupuncture stuff..
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/09/2007 08:11:11
I have hear both good  bad things about it.. some say hokey but others swear by it.
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Post by: Zwitterion on 11/09/2007 01:43:36
hi everyone...hows life?...im going thru another bad sleeping patch!! :o(

i'd be really interested in the acupuncture Mei chung but i live up north so would be too difficuly to get down to london on a regular basis which is a shame...i have tried everything under the sun i can think of to sort out my insomnia but nothing seems to work. i might try enquiring about it locally and see if there is somewhere i can try.

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Post by: mei on 11/09/2007 02:08:03
Hello Karen & Seany,

I can see where you’re coming from, it does seem a bit alien to most people and the concept of “Qi” which circulates in very cell of your body but which is ultimately responsible for your optimal health is a hard concept to grasp.

Karen, I wished you lived in London, I’d love to treat you, I feel you have an openness to the concept and willingness to try new things.

As you mentioned, there are people who swear by it because it has worked for them.  The reality of the situation is that most people only discover acupuncture when all has failed, when they have been through the rounds of clinical diagnostics tests which don’t find anything wrong, had operations which doesn’t resolve the problem or pain.  And then they resort to acupuncture as a last resort only to discover something moves for them and their symptoms start to improve.  If the individual understands what’s happening to their body and once they’re committed to treatment, they are usually on the road to recovery.

The reasons why it doesn’t work for some people, my guess is that the patient didn’t commit themselves to longer treatment due to lack of communication between practitioner and patient. Normally in 1 or 2 treatments, you won’t be cured, as I mentioned before, the effects acupuncture is accumulative, that’s why I suggest 6 as a course. You’re basically stimulating your own Qi with the needles, moving the blockages, at the same time it stimulates certain neurochemical hormones from the hypothalamus like endorphins which can relieve pain and act as mood-enhancers.  
In my research so far, there is strong evidence to suggest that insomnia is due to low levels of melatonin secretion in certain subjects and also due to circadian rhythm dysfunction. And there have been studies which support the view that acupuncture influence the secretion of melatonin and the role it plays in increasing nocturnal melatonin and reducing insomnia and anxiety (Spence, D., et al, 2004).

I hope this goes in some way to give you better understanding & to reassure you of the absolute science of acupuncture. It is more than 35OO years old. What attracts myself to acupuncture is the non-invasive nature of the medical system, there is no pill popping and no surgery involved. No side effects. It is holistic. You target at the root level and treat from that point.  What ‘ve you got to loose but try it? You’re only working with your own energy!

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Post by: neilep on 11/09/2007 14:10:17
Hello Karen & Seany,

I can see where you’re coming from, it does seem a bit alien to most people and the concept of “Qi” which circulates in very cell of your body but which is ultimately responsible for your optimal health is a hard concept to grasp.

Karen, I wished you lived in London, I’d love to treat you, I feel you have an openness to the concept and willingness to try new things.

As you mentioned, there are people who swear by it because it has worked for them.  The reality of the situation is that most people only discover acupuncture when all has failed, when they have been through the rounds of clinical diagnostics tests which don’t find anything wrong, had operations which doesn’t resolve the problem or pain.  And then they resort to acupuncture as a last resort only to discover something moves for them and their symptoms start to improve.  If the individual understands what’s happening to their body and once they’re committed to treatment, they are usually on the road to recovery.

The reasons why it doesn’t work for some people, my guess is that the patient didn’t commit themselves to longer treatment due to lack of communication between practitioner and patient. Normally in 1 or 2 treatments, you won’t be cured, as I mentioned before, the effects acupuncture is accumulative, that’s why I suggest 6 as a course. You’re basically stimulating your own Qi with the needles, moving the blockages, at the same time it stimulates certain neurochemical hormones from the hypothalamus like endorphins which can relieve pain and act as mood-enhancers. 
In my research so far, there is strong evidence to suggest that insomnia is due to low levels of melatonin secretion in certain subjects and also due to circadian rhythm dysfunction. And there have been studies which support the view that acupuncture influence the secretion of melatonin and the role it plays in increasing nocturnal melatonin and reducing insomnia and anxiety (Spence, D., et al, 2004).

I hope this goes in some way to give you better understanding & to reassure you of the absolute science of acupuncture. It is more than 35OO years old. What attracts myself to acupuncture is the non-invasive nature of the medical system, there is no pill popping and no surgery involved. No side effects. It is holistic. You target at the root level and treat from that point.  What ‘ve you got to loose but try it? You’re only working with your own energy!



Hello Mei,




I have been treated for both of these via traditional methods.....didn't work !

How can a treatment during the day help me sleep hours later at night ?
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/09/2007 21:45:36
hi everyone...hows life?...im going thru another bad sleeping patch!! :o(

i'd be really interested in the acupuncture Mei chung but i live up north so would be too difficuly to get down to london on a regular basis which is a shame...i have tried everything under the sun i can think of to sort out my insomnia but nothing seems to work. i might try enquiring about it locally and see if there is somewhere i can try.



I am sorry you are not sleeping well!.I wish I could help. It is nice to here from you!
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/09/2007 21:46:33
Hello Karen & Seany,

I can see where you’re coming from, it does seem a bit alien to most people and the concept of “Qi” which circulates in very cell of your body but which is ultimately responsible for your optimal health is a hard concept to grasp.

Karen, I wished you lived in London, I’d love to treat you, I feel you have an openness to the concept and willingness to try new things.

As you mentioned, there are people who swear by it because it has worked for them.  The reality of the situation is that most people only discover acupuncture when all has failed, when they have been through the rounds of clinical diagnostics tests which don’t find anything wrong, had operations which doesn’t resolve the problem or pain.  And then they resort to acupuncture as a last resort only to discover something moves for them and their symptoms start to improve.  If the individual understands what’s happening to their body and once they’re committed to treatment, they are usually on the road to recovery.

The reasons why it doesn’t work for some people, my guess is that the patient didn’t commit themselves to longer treatment due to lack of communication between practitioner and patient. Normally in 1 or 2 treatments, you won’t be cured, as I mentioned before, the effects acupuncture is accumulative, that’s why I suggest 6 as a course. You’re basically stimulating your own Qi with the needles, moving the blockages, at the same time it stimulates certain neurochemical hormones from the hypothalamus like endorphins which can relieve pain and act as mood-enhancers. 
In my research so far, there is strong evidence to suggest that insomnia is due to low levels of melatonin secretion in certain subjects and also due to circadian rhythm dysfunction. And there have been studies which support the view that acupuncture influence the secretion of melatonin and the role it plays in increasing nocturnal melatonin and reducing insomnia and anxiety (Spence, D., et al, 2004).

I hope this goes in some way to give you better understanding & to reassure you of the absolute science of acupuncture. It is more than 35OO years old. What attracts myself to acupuncture is the non-invasive nature of the medical system, there is no pill popping and no surgery involved. No side effects. It is holistic. You target at the root level and treat from that point.  What ‘ve you got to loose but try it? You’re only working with your own energy!



Hello Mei,




I have been treated for both of these via traditional methods.....didn't work !

How can a treatment during the day help me sleep hours later at night ?

Good Question!
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/09/2007 21:52:46
Hello Karen & Seany,

I can see where you’re coming from, it does seem a bit alien to most people and the concept of “Qi” which circulates in very cell of your body but which is ultimately responsible for your optimal health is a hard concept to grasp.

Karen, I wished you lived in London, I’d love to treat you, I feel you have an openness to the concept and willingness to try new things.

As you mentioned, there are people who swear by it because it has worked for them.  The reality of the situation is that most people only discover acupuncture when all has failed, when they have been through the rounds of clinical diagnostics tests which don’t find anything wrong, had operations which doesn’t resolve the problem or pain.  And then they resort to acupuncture as a last resort only to discover something moves for them and their symptoms start to improve.  If the individual understands what’s happening to their body and once they’re committed to treatment, they are usually on the road to recovery.

The reasons why it doesn’t work for some people, my guess is that the patient didn’t commit themselves to longer treatment due to lack of communication between practitioner and patient. Normally in 1 or 2 treatments, you won’t be cured, as I mentioned before, the effects acupuncture is accumulative, that’s why I suggest 6 as a course. You’re basically stimulating your own Qi with the needles, moving the blockages, at the same time it stimulates certain neurochemical hormones from the hypothalamus like endorphins which can relieve pain and act as mood-enhancers. 
In my research so far, there is strong evidence to suggest that insomnia is due to low levels of melatonin secretion in certain subjects and also due to circadian rhythm dysfunction. And there have been studies which support the view that acupuncture influence the secretion of melatonin and the role it plays in increasing nocturnal melatonin and reducing insomnia and anxiety (Spence, D., et al, 2004).

I hope this goes in some way to give you better understanding & to reassure you of the absolute science of acupuncture. It is more than 35OO years old. What attracts myself to acupuncture is the non-invasive nature of the medical system, there is no pill popping and no surgery involved. No side effects. It is holistic. You target at the root level and treat from that point.  What ‘ve you got to loose but try it? You’re only working with your own energy!



Oh I would try it for sure. I am open to new treatments.. Even with my apap it is hit and miss cause the problem is getting to sleep to begin with. After I have gone to sleep the machine helps a lot! As long as Sarah's puppy is not in my bed.. I woke yesterday and he was sleeping with his nose next to my mask on my face and when I moaned at him he cried and started licking my face and all around the mask then he stopped and put his nose over the air hole where the air comes out of the tube. He was funny and worried I think, when I was quiet again he replaced his nose along my cheek and sighed and closed his eyes! LOL He was cute but kept waking me up! LOL
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Post by: mei on 12/09/2007 01:56:57
Hi Zwitterrion,

sorry you 're not going thru bad patch, yes its a shame we're not within reach of each other...i'd suggest to try it out, even if you don't get an instant cure, you'll definitely feel better.  I suugest you find a  reputable practitoner on the BAcc website  www.acupuncture.org.uk

goodluck
mei
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Post by: mei on 12/09/2007 02:32:10
hi Neil,

Nice to hear from you,  you mentioned you're treated for both low melatonin & circadian rhythm dysfunction via traditional methods but didn't work.....then you have nothing to loose by trying an alternative method.

As to yr question how can a treatment during the day help you sleep hours later at night- put it this way, acupuncture doesn't work like a sleeping pill which wears off over time and leave you feeling sloggish  the next morning.  We identify yr root cause, in another words which aspect of yr body is defecient , then we build up the strentgth of yr body by making up for that deficiency by needling strategic meridian points on yr body. By strengthening yr body's Qi, we get a balance between rested mind and body, when this happens, the insomnia improves.  The success or speed of treatment obviously depends on the constituition of the individual and how long they've had it for. The more chronic the problem,  the longer treatments needed obviously, rememeber we 're not working with western drugs...

Neil, I can confidently tell acupuncture will relax your mind and produce a sense of well being in yourself, even if you don't believe it can actively cure yr insomnia. Remember the mind & body is one, one can affect the other and bring on disease.  I'm almost asking you to have faith in something you cannot fathom or conceptualise but sometimes you just've to have faith esp. in things that appear unorthodox....
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/09/2007 02:36:50
You should try it Neily!

Mei It sounds very interesting indeed!
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Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 02:40:55
hi Neil,

Nice to hear from you,  you mentioned you're treated for both low melatonin & circadian rhythm dysfunction via traditional methods but didn't work.....then you have nothing to loose by trying an alternative method.

As to yr question how can a treatment during the day help you sleep hours later at night- put it this way, acupuncture doesn't work like a sleeping pill which wears off over time and leave you feeling sloggish  the next morning.  We identify yr root cause, in another words which aspect of yr body is defecient , then we build up the strentgth of yr body by making up for that deficiency by needling strategic meridian points on yr body. By strengthening yr body's Qi, we get a balance between rested mind and body, when this happens, the insomnia improves.  The success or speed of treatment obviously depends on the constituition of the individual and how long they've had it for. The more chronic the problem,  the longer treatments needed obviously, rememeber we 're not working with western drugs...

Neil, I can confidently tell acupuncture will relax your mind and produce a sense of well being in yourself, even if you don't believe it can actively cure yr insomnia. Remember the mind & body is one, one can affect the other and bring on disease.  I'm almost asking you to have faith in something you cannot fathom or conceptualise but sometimes you just've to have faith esp. in things that appear unorthodox....


Mei,

I've been like this for 36 years !!..I'm as chronic as they get !!..however..I AM in North London...Where's the clinic Mei ?...just the area will do for now......
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/09/2007 02:59:01
Quote from: neilep


[quote
Mei,

I've been like this for 36 years !!..I'm as chronic as they get !!..however..I AM in North London...Where's the clinic Mei ?...just the area will do for now......


Neily, its in a teaching clinic in North London! Right up your alley!
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Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 03:04:58
Neily, its in a teaching clinic in North London! Right up your alley!

I beg your pardon !! [:o]
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/09/2007 03:12:51
You are so funny! LOL  LOL!
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Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 03:53:59
I have emailed Mei.....hopefully if Mei can't help me...I can at least help Mei.....
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/09/2007 04:04:59
HUH?? LOL Oh Never mind I got it a bit slow, but I got it ! Yes I hope so! on both counts!
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Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 04:27:49
Oh well...nearly 4:30am...

of course ...if the treatment is a success.....I may not be here anymore !!
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Post by: kdlynn on 12/09/2007 04:28:32
ever?!
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/09/2007 04:31:01
Oh well...nearly 4:30am...

of course ...if the treatment is a success.....I may not be here anymore !!

Well, I hope it is a success and that you do well with your sleep! The insomnia thread will still be here..But you will be sleeping! YAYYYYYYYYY!
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Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 04:35:26
ever?!

Never ever Kadie.......just ...infrequently !!....but...as a long term pessimist I have extreme doubt !!..why should this work if NOTHING ever has ?...........I think I'll still be here !!......but I will try and approach the acupuncture (assuming I do do it) with a smile and skip !!
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Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 04:36:46
Oh well...nearly 4:30am...

of course ...if the treatment is a success.....I may not be here anymore !!

Well, I hope it is a success and that you do well with your sleep! The insomnia thread will still be here..But you will be sleeping! YAYYYYYYYYY!

Yeah right ..LOL !!!...sleeping is always something else that other people do !!....
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/09/2007 04:39:19
YAYYYYY! Good to hear..LOL Because it is totally different treatment and has been working for many many years its just that the method has been and is looked at with such skepticism.. and doubt!
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/09/2007 04:41:03
Oh well...nearly 4:30am...

of course ...if the treatment is a success.....I may not be here anymore !!

Well, I hope it is a success and that you do well with your sleep! The insomnia thread will still be here..But you will be sleeping! YAYYYYYYYYY!

Yeah right ..LOL !!!...sleeping is always something else that other people do !!....

Well I say its high time you do do Mr. Pessimist YOU! LOL.. YEAH RIGHT!!!

wishes you many nights of good quality sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 04:58:46
It's easy to be a pessimist at 5am in the morning !!

Gonna try and get some rest now....catch ya all later.

hugs ya
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Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 09:04:21
It's easy to be a pessimist at 5am in the morning !!

Gonna try and get some rest now....catch ya all later.

hugs ya

It's even more easy to be a pessimist at 9am too !!
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Post by: kdlynn on 12/09/2007 09:06:43
it's 4 here... but i know how you feel
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Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 14:19:35
it's 4 here... but i know how you feel

Well, I hope you're asleep now !
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/09/2007 14:43:24
It's easy to be a pessimist at 5am in the morning !!

Gonna try and get some rest now....catch ya all later.

hugs ya


Yes I know the feeling  and wish you were sleeping!

It's easy to be a pessimist at 5am in the morning !!

Gonna try and get some rest now....catch ya all later.

hugs ya

It's even more easy to be a pessimist at 9am too !!


I wish you had slept! I hope you get some soon! Hugs ya back!


I hope you finally slept some too. good thoughts!
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Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 23:39:06
Well, no contact from mei ..*le sigh*
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/09/2007 23:46:08
She will be back! No worries! No sleep again eh??
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Post by: neilep on 12/09/2007 23:46:48
She will be back! No worries! No sleep again eh??

LOL...you're right  I literally just got an email now !!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/09/2007 23:59:26
I knew you would. She seems the responsible type! Good Luck I hope it can be something that will in time help you!
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Post by: neilep on 13/09/2007 00:01:28
Looks like I'm booked in next Monday for 14:15......80 minute session !!

Oh well........I know I am full of doubts but I am grateful to Mei.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/09/2007 00:04:46
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/09/2007 00:09:00
WOW that is so Cool Neily! I hope it works I really do!,80 minutes that is a good long session but I do not know what the norm is!

EH! EH! EH! EH! Get those old ugly doubts out of your head and get some positive good feelings and thoughts going! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! Hugs You!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/09/2007 00:30:22
I might have a need to take up sewing when I'm done !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/09/2007 00:34:17
Yes to sew your eyelids shut to sleep! You could take up plastic canvas doll furniture with me!
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Post by: Carolyn on 13/09/2007 02:05:56
Looks like I'm booked in next Monday for 14:15......80 minute session !!

Oh well........I know I am full of doubts but I am grateful to Mei.

TRY to think positively. 

Keeping my fingers crossed for ya!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/09/2007 02:09:10
Yes to sew your eyelids shut to sleep! You could take up plastic canvas doll furniture with me!

Sorry...did you say I should take up a plastic doll...?..LOL...where shall I take it up ?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 13/09/2007 02:09:53
I haven't had more than a few hours sleep a night over the last 4 days.  I'm in a pissy mood!  I had to spend half the day on the road today and could barely keep my eyes open and I just found out a little while ago that I have to go to Tallahassee tomorrow! [:(!]

I also got real b****y with a loved one and now I feel like crap! [:-'(]
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Post by: neilep on 13/09/2007 02:56:30
I haven't had more than a few hours sleep a night over the last 4 days.  I'm in a pissy mood!  I had to spend half the day on the road today and could barely keep my eyes open and I just found out a little while ago that I have to go to Tallahassee tomorrow! [:(!]





I also got real b****y with a loved one and now I feel like crap! [:-'(]

Sorry for your grief and turmoil

hugs ewe
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Post by: Carolyn on 13/09/2007 03:12:14
 [:I]Thank ewe.  Sorry you're still up, not that I don't enjoy the company.

Hugs ewe tewe!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 13/09/2007 03:23:42
[:I]Thank ewe.  Sorry you're still up, not that I don't enjoy the company.

Hugs ewe tewe!

Well..I'm on the sleepy tabs again....and I'm so tired I'll be heading away soon....but..I know they'll still take a while to finally send me to sleep.....I think I can just make adrenalin on demand or something |!!...I seem to so easily be able to overcome the tiredness !!..oh well....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 13/09/2007 03:35:06
I wish I could overcome tiredness...not to the extent that you do, but like when I'm driving and I'm sooooo sleepy.

I'm going to be taking something very shortly.  I have to sleep tonight.  There is no way I can drive all day tomorrow without getting some zzzzzzzz's tonight.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/09/2007 03:39:02
Yes to sew your eyelids shut to sleep! You could take up plastic canvas doll furniture with me!

Sorry...did you say I should take up a plastic doll...?..LOL...where shall I take it up ?
Well let me see, I could think of a few places that might be appropriate !!! LOL LOL You are so silly! HEE HEE LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/09/2007 03:41:40
I haven't had more than a few hours sleep a night over the last 4 days.  I'm in a pissy mood!  I had to spend half the day on the road today and could barely keep my eyes open and I just found out a little while ago that I have to go to Tallahassee tomorrow! [:(!]

I also got real b****y with a loved one and now I feel like crap! [:-'(]

Sorry you had such a horrific day. I hope Tomorrow goes better!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 13/09/2007 03:59:34
Thanks. [:)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/09/2007 04:28:36
Your welcome get some sleep take some good tunes and have fun!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 13/09/2007 06:58:14
CRAP!!!


It's 2 am and still no sleep!  Have to be up in 4 hours..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/09/2007 15:19:14
Have a safe trip! Please get some sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 14/09/2007 00:36:24
Have a safe trip! Please get some sleep!

Thanks.  I'm back home safe and sound...well..safe anyway.  Hopefully I'll get some sleep tonight...crossing my fingers.  Fortunately, I'm off work from my 2nd job til Saturday morning.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/09/2007 01:07:51
thats good rest will be nice!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 14/09/2007 06:53:38
I'm so knackerd that even pineapple juice won't cheer me up ! (Have I mentioned how much I luff it ?)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: kdlynn on 14/09/2007 07:00:49
oh... ha ha it IS thursday isn't it... oh no i guess it's friday now... oops
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/09/2007 13:04:57
I'm so knackerd that even pineapple juice won't cheer me up ! (Have I mentioned how much I luff it ?)

I am so sorry that you are not sleeping and your sleepy tabs are not working the way they should. Please lie down and rest anyways.

LOL Yes you did mention you LUFF Pineapple, Did I mention I do too? LOL! Night Neily!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/09/2007 14:26:36
I would like to report something amazing that has now happened to me twice in the last few weeks.. It will sound silly but it is wonderful!

You all know how it is in here not being able to sleep and you all know that several of us struggle with it! Well due to medication machines and just being generally totally wiped out all the time I think some things are changing as far as getting a bit of sleep. I am stuggling to get to sleep but once there the machine helps me to stay asleep longer.. I cannot say how good that feels ..LOL I am crying.. cause I still can't believe it. I am still having lots of trouble getting to sleep but more often then before at least three nights a week I am sleeping for 6 to 8 hours. On two occasions I slept 14 and 16 hours with one wake up in between.. don't figure! I don't know if I am just finally wearing out or if the meds and machine are helping.. Like to think the latter. Anyway.. the purpose of this post is as follows!

You all know if you have ever been around newborns and small babies that sometimes whilst they are sleeping or just opon waking they will arch their little backs arch their little necks back and raise their eyebrows contort their little bodies and stretch this almighty wonderful stretch that I remember from being a kid and  how bloody good it felt to stretch like that to the point your body quivers with pleasure and relief and such a good feeling of rest!

Well after not being able to do this for many many years, I have had this happen two times in the last few weeks and OH my GAWWWWWWWWWD it feels so good. I can here popping and feel muscles stretching so tight and so good.. I can't even tell you how nice it feels! LOL Not a single back or leg muscle cramped as it would in the past. I am not sure why but it is truly wonderful! LOL! I

I posted once about wanting to stretch like a baby I can't remember if I had stretched or just wished I could it has been a couple years since that post, but I can say at this moment it was the most exilerating thing I have done in so long and it was wonderful... I thought a good round of sex would be good ,,LOL but this stretch felt so good That it took my mind off other things LOL! OH it was sooooooooooooo....very nice!!!..

Its funny how a few hours of good sleep helps you to feel human again and makes me wonder if the lack of sleep was preventing those most wonderful little things like infant stretches arms above head, head stretched neck legs everything! WOW! YAYYYYYYYYY for stretching!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 19/09/2007 13:14:09
WOW! I bumped my head and got the headache from hell now it won't go away nd it hurt when I fell! Should put it in docs Blues thread.. Been up all night  with it! LOL Taking too much med to take anymore pain killer so I am trying to hold my head in a pain free position if thats possible.. next I will resort to caffeine.. LOL maybe it will help!!! I really don't feel well.behind my ears and around the sides of my head!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 27/09/2007 20:10:46
Just can't sleep! No ones about!
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Post by: neilep on 27/09/2007 20:38:35
AWESOME !!...about the sleeping karen as reported in your above post !!!!!...good for ewe !!

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 27/09/2007 21:03:56
It is good ! All this week has been lousy though! Because every time I laid down I was getting Charlie Horses in the back , front, sides  of my calves and my feet and then they were moving up into my back and across my tummy!

As of yesterday I took myself off a second medication  some lipitor... The cramping started after about a month on it which was last friday when my shoulder blew in physical therapy and my whole arm was spasming! I have never in my life had so many charlie horses as this last week. I can barely walk today because of the pain from them. I ran all my pills through the web doctor places and the only one I could possible think it to be was the lipitor. I stopped it yesterday and as of this morning the cramping has stopped... I have been on some severe pain meds and taking magnesium which did nothing eating bananas and drinking apple cider vinigar!Has not worked!


I think I found the culprit and called the doctor I am not taking anymore. My cholesterol is good it was precautionary because of my thyroid goiter she was worried it would push the cholesterol up over into the high zone!

Thanks Neily, It has felt better to sleep. I wish you could too!

But this week I am back into no sleep I tried again earlier to no avail I thought it may have been the cramping I know it was but My head is a mess anyway.. don't figure!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 02/10/2007 10:57:06
Anyone awake?? I slept about two hours and then woke up with restless legs and tangled monitor cables and am crabby and tired and feel like a big bear!
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Post by: Karen W. on 02/10/2007 12:59:50
Still awake tired ..4:58 am... My legs are still jumpy.. I usually take a shower to relieve the symptoms.. but I can't shower with this stupid monitor attached me! ARRRRGH!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/10/2007 09:45:41
Well still awake.. and very tired.. have had no sleep for three days. Thought I was close last night, but no go!...will try again in a few!
BUT I AM YAWNING.. RARE SO MAYBE SLEEP IS AT THE DOOR.!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 23/10/2007 20:52:07
Hi there one and all! [:)]
I have just found this forum today and I can't begin to tell you how good it is to know that I am not the only one suffering with this condition, sad though it is to know there are so many of us and that there is no support group for us insomniacs.

I have suffered from this since my middle teens (now early 50s), so like Neil, have had years of living with this problem.  I have never got used to/accepted this as I really  need my sleep.  I have tried just about everything incluuding homoeopathy and acupuncture (I admit I only had two sessions of this and perhaps should have given it longer).  I would love to have given Mei's study a go, but found this forum too late.  I have not been to sleep clinics or anything of that nature, although am starting to think maybe I should try to get on one (I work for the NHS!)

I sometimes go for up to five days without sleep and wonder how I manage to stay upright, let alone work, drive and carry on living a normal life.  So many of your comments ring true with me too.  The less I sleep the more hyped up I feel.  I get panicky sometimes in the middle of the night, worried about not sleeping when I have work the next day.  I have had to drop to part time to cope with the lack of sleep [:-'(]

Sorry to bore you all, but it is just so good to let off steam at others who understand.  Those who have never experienced this just don't understand (my partner being one!) what they take for granted. 

I'll be taking a Zopiclone tonight as I have gone for three nights this week with no sleep and I desperately need some zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  I refuse to take them on a regular basis.  Has anyone tried melatonin?  Does it help and how much can one take (I've tried talking to a pharmacist about the doseage, but because it's not licenced in the UK, she was not sure). 

May also try the acupuncture again.  Neil did it work for you?

Hope some of you at least get some zzzzzzzzzzzs tonight.xxxxxxxxxxxx

 
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 23/10/2007 21:16:20
HI Misty,

WELCOME.

Yes, I have tried Melatonin.....I could "feel" the effect for a while though the effect soon wore off...it was a strange phenomena...I was on it for 3- 6 months and (as you know) it is not available over the counter here in the UK so I was prescribed a course via a specialist.

the sad thing was that because I failed to show any viable effect from it I was summarily dismissed from treatment !!..I really felt dejected !!...it was if I was told ' you can't be helped....there's the door...goodbye '.......At that time the diagnosis what that I had a thing called "Phased Delay Syndrome"...ie: my body clock was all messed up !


Misty...I have had only four sessions at the acupuncture clinic with two more to go........Realistically speaking...I have been advised that I should try it for a minimum of six months on a weekly basis !!

At this point in time there is no obvious effect.

I have never heard of zoplicone...*hang on...goes to Wikipedia it  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zopiclone)....Ahh...yes yes ..I do know it !!

I remember when it was first introduced it was heralded as a wonder drug because it was fairly quick acting with little side effects the following day...I tried it under the brand name Sonata.....and..I had a BAD reaction to it...had to stop it immediately !!

Have you tried CBT ? (cognitive behavioral therapy)
Homeopathic and naturapathic remedies at all ?

Misty...I need my sleep too....but having taken a leap of faith and accepted it..I have found that I do in fact cope a lot better nowadays.

You really should press your GP to arrange a sleep study...they just wonlt take it seriously unless you makes them !!

All, I can do is wish you well Misty.
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/10/2007 07:19:12
Hi there one and all! [:)]
I have just found this forum today and I can't begin to tell you how good it is to know that I am not the only one suffering with this condition, sad though it is to know there are so many of us and that there is no support group for us insomniacs.

I have suffered from this since my middle teens (now early 50s), so like Neil, have had years of living with this problem.  I have never got used to/accepted this as I really  need my sleep.  I have tried just about everything incluuding homoeopathy and acupuncture (I admit I only had two sessions of this and perhaps should have given it longer).  I would love to have given Mei's study a go, but found this forum too late.  I have not been to sleep clinics or anything of that nature, although am starting to think maybe I should try to get on one (I work for the NHS!)

I sometimes go for up to five days without sleep and wonder how I manage to stay upright, let alone work, drive and carry on living a normal life.  So many of your comments ring true with me too.  The less I sleep the more hyped up I feel.  I get panicky sometimes in the middle of the night, worried about not sleeping when I have work the next day.  I have had to drop to part time to cope with the lack of sleep [:-'(]

Sorry to bore you all, but it is just so good to let off steam at others who understand.  Those who have never experienced this just don't understand (my partner being one!) what they take for granted. 

I'll be taking a Zopiclone tonight as I have gone for three nights this week with no sleep and I desperately need some zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  I refuse to take them on a regular basis.  Has anyone tried melatonin?  Does it help and how much can one take (I've tried talking to a pharmacist about the doseage, but because it's not licenced in the UK, she was not sure). 

May also try the acupuncture again.  Neil did it work for you?

Hope some of you at least get some zzzzzzzzzzzs tonight.xxxxxxxxxxxx

 

Hi Misty and welcome to the forum. I hope you find out about your problems soon! Definitely take a course to insist on a sleep study!It has not cured my problem but it has aided me in finding a bit more sleep in that the cpap machine has helped me to stay asleep longer once I can fall asleep. So now If I get to sleep I sleep longer.. which is great! I still have great difficulty getting to sleep. Once there it is better. Good luck to you!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 24/10/2007 23:51:32
Hi Misty.  Welcome to TNS.

I'm not an insomniac, at least not on the same level and Neil and Karen.  I usually have about 7 - 10 days every 4 - 6 weeks where I only manage a few hours a night.  Generally about the 2nd or 3rd night I take Melatonin.  I take one 3 mg tablet.  If I take it for several days straight, my body builds up a tolerance to it, then I increase the dosage to 2 tablets.  I only take it as needed, so that it continues to remain effective.  It works for me and I don't wake up feeling groggy or moody.  Good luck Misty, hope you find a solution.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 25/10/2007 07:56:39
*sigh*  3 am....can't sleep. 
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 25/10/2007 10:16:58
Hi Guys
Thanks for your welcome to TNS.

Thanks also for the tips re Melatonin.  I tried 6 mgm last night -  no joy.  Have recently read that homeopathic Coffea could help, so will give that a go as it is supposed to help with sleeplessness due to depression and emotions (had a lot of "life events" over the past five years, which has not helped the problem!).   If I can only get to sleep, then I can usually notch up a few hours zzzzzzz, but its nodding off that's the ongoing problem.

I really feel like a walking zombie and cannot concentrate at work, fortunately not much to do today.

Partner and I are going away on hols across some time zones at the end of next week and I am wondering if that might help, or make matters worse?!  I will report back.  When I have more time I want to quiz you all about what you've tried so far and about sleep studies etc.

Hope you are all managing to get some sleep in the  meantime.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Luiza on 05/11/2007 16:34:20
Hello there,

My name is Luiza Sauma - I'm a journalist at The Independent on Sunday. I'm currently trying to put together a feature about insomnia, because it seems like almost everyone I know is suffering from the condition - myself included. I'm going to attempt to explore - through case studies, medical explanations and psychoanalysis - why so many people in the UK are finding it hard to get a good night's sleep.

I'm currently looking for insomniacs of all ages to speak to. There's a possiblity that someone will have to be photographed, but this hasn't been confirmed yet. But I can assure you that the piece will be very sensitive and sympathetic.

So, if you're interested, drop me a line at L.sauma@independent.co.uk. Might be helpful if you put something like "insomnia" in the subject line.

Thanks!
Luiza
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Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 17:53:26
Hi Guys
Thanks for your welcome to TNS.

Thanks also for the tips re Melatonin.  I tried 6 mgm last night -  no joy.  Have recently read that homeopathic Coffea could help, so will give that a go as it is supposed to help with sleeplessness due to depression and emotions (had a lot of "life events" over the past five years, which has not helped the problem!).   If I can only get to sleep, then I can usually notch up a few hours zzzzzzz, but its nodding off that's the ongoing problem.

I really feel like a walking zombie and cannot concentrate at work, fortunately not much to do today.

Partner and I are going away on hols across some time zones at the end of next week and I am wondering if that might help, or make matters worse?!  I will report back.  When I have more time I want to quiz you all about what you've tried so far and about sleep studies etc.

Hope you are all managing to get some sleep in the  meantime.


Have fun on your trip and I hope the homeopathic coffee works. I have never heard of it!..LOL But thats not unusual for me. I have never heard of a lot of things!

I do know the zombie feeling and am very familiar with her shes my sister soul.. LOL LOL..

Have a fun trip relax...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 17:56:05
Hello there,

My name is Luiza Sauma - I'm a journalist at The Independent on Sunday. I'm currently trying to put together a feature about insomnia, because it seems like almost everyone I know is suffering from the condition - myself included. I'm going to attempt to explore - through case studies, medical explanations and psychoanalysis - why so many people in the UK are finding it hard to get a good night's sleep.

I'm currently looking for insomniacs of all ages to speak to. There's a possiblity that someone will have to be photographed, but this hasn't been confirmed yet. But I can assure you that the piece will be very sensitive and sympathetic.

So, if you're interested, drop me a line at L.sauma@independent.co.uk. Might be helpful if you put something like "insomnia" in the subject line.

Thanks!
Luiza



Welcome luzia, good luck with your article!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Janie Jane on 05/11/2007 20:00:11
Hi all,

Just found this site today.  I too am amazed at the number of us out there.  I always find 4 in the morning the loneliest place in the world ... if only there were drop-in insomni-cafs we could be having a giggle rather than freaking out at the prospect of the 0630 alarm and kids getting up (in whatever order they happen!).

I have suffered with insomnia on and  off for the last 10 years or so and can't remember the last time I slept through the night.  Getting off to sleep and staying there are both my enemies.  The thing that I don't get is how come you can have as little as 2 hours sleep a night for days on end and not have a big crash?  Does anyone else find this? 

My latest bout of insomnia has been going on for seven months now, where I've ranged anywhere from zero to five hours a night.  Friends of mine are horrified at the idea of having only five hours.  Personally I find it a god send.  Get past four hours and I cross 'the great divide' between coping and not coping.

Finally been to the doctors as I get up in the morning with no idea how I'm going to make it through the day.  Especially with kids and a house to look after.  He's suggested a seratonin link and given me some anti-anxiety / anti-depressants.  I've been taking them for the last six weeks and although I don't feel anxious any more, my sleep is still a total disaster.  I begged him for some sleeping pills and was given zopiclone.  This knocks me spark out but I'll still wake up a few times in the night, though I will get back off again OK and feel normal the next day.

Thing is, sleep is moreish and so are the pills.  I've done nytol, kalms, valerian etc to death and wondered if anyone could suggest what works for them.  Nytol makes me feel awful the next day and the herbal remedies that I've tried aren't that good.  I try not to take the sleepies too much as I don't want to get hooked but lately I've been reaching for them more and more.

I guess this long ramble is to get some fresh ideas so that I can come off them and onto something more natural.

Night night and sleep tight

Jane xx
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 22:23:42
Hi Jane I Have been in your shoes for years! I have just gone through two sleep studies and been fitted with a CPAP machine. which helps me to get an hour or two more, that is if I can get off to sleep to begin with! It has helped but I still struggle. The pills I have avoided my whole life I used them but hated the way that they made me feel the next day! I hope you are able to get off them and try a more natural approach.. I know two hrs and sometimes lass a week is horrendous but I was usaully able to kick it up and move on through my day! It was and still is very hard to get the sleep and let me tell you.. it is worse now when I do get sleep because when I can't I am far less tolerant of it and cannot tolerate it as well as I did as it was the norm.. ..I don't know how to make it better! I just do the best I can and try to be happy anyway! Welcome to the forum! What part of our world are you from???
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Post by: Zwitterion on 06/11/2007 01:53:35
Hi everyone...hows everyone doing?...

thought id come and see whats happening on the forum....i agree with u jane would be great if there was some insomniac cafes to while away the night!...apart from the obvious tiredness etc the worse thing abt insomnia is the amount of time u have to kill to get thru the night and i personally think this is what makes life really hard for me!...u over think things etc..

wish there was a switch u could just turn off!

ive been thru all the usual solutions, doctors are useless in my experience....at the moment mums been telling me apparently calcium can help u sleep...not one ive heard before but i have been taking a calcium tab every night....cant say its really helped that much but i havent had an all nighter so thats something...

i think the best thing to do if u have been suffereing long term and dont have a solution then accept it .....enjoy the good days to the max and with the bad days just get thru them!!.....

nearly 2am in the morning and sleep hasnt yet come..

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 06/11/2007 02:19:10
Hi Zwitterion.. Glad to see you out there still plodding along. How is work been going?

I was taking coral calcium for a while and remember feeling pretty good, can't say as I remember why I stopped..LOL I think I was broke..LOL! I really did feel better taking it regularly but it has been a couple years ago!

I think you are right to accept it and do the best you can because fighting it seems to just make things worse!.. I try to be as pleasant as possible..glad to hear from you! hope you have been well.


.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Janie Jane on 06/11/2007 04:35:26
Hi, 0430 and still going strong.  Thanks for the messages, I'm in Southend.  Anyone around, meet me down the seafront in 10 mins!  Don't think sleep is coming tonight.  Kids up in 2 hrs.  Ho hum.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: kdlynn on 06/11/2007 04:49:44
i'm sorry to hear that. hope you get some sleep tomorrow!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Janie Jane on 06/11/2007 10:14:04
Hey Karen,

What is a CPAP machine? 
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 06/11/2007 15:39:10
Hi Janie, Southend London (England I am presuming) eh?

CPAP Stands for, "CONTINUOUS POSITIVE AIRWAY PRESSURE." My CPAP machine is a CPCP/bilevel unit called the Respironics M-Series CPAP PRO. Mine is fitted with a Fisher & Paykel Flexfit 407 Mask! LOL...

It is a prescribed medical therapy  unit that needs to be applied in a certain manner during the course of your sleep to give you continuous Positive airway pressure  that will treat obstructive sleep apnea(OSA).  It relieves snoring excessive daytime sleeping, restless sleep, morning headaches, slight disorientation/memory lapsews, Irratability, personality changes, and pauses when the patient doesn't breath during their sleep!
It is used to help when you have a sleep disorder which occurs when the airway is obstructed or blocked, and no airflow moves into the lungs. (It is called ("apnea") It is or can be caused from a loss of muscle control over the tongue, which allows the tongue to fall back against the airway. It can also be from the collapse of the soft palate,( the roof of your mouth) over the airway.When you have an episode of sleep apnea your brain causes tou to wake up a bit without even knowing it in order to breathe. This can last from just a few seconds to over a minute at a time, and can happen hundreds of times throughout the night.Each breath should bring Oxygen into the lungs,to be absorbed into the blood and sent throughout the body to all of your organs and tissues. Your carbon dioxide should be exhaled., But what happens during apnea episodes is that the oxygen content of the blood decreases and carbon dioxide levels increase. This will cause your blood pressure to rise which puts additional stress on your heart and other organs.  The constant interruption of deep sleeping will result in a loss of restful, healthy sleep, and it normally causes daytime sleepiness.

my Bilevel machine treats Obstructive Sleep Apnea by providing low pressure air flow to your airways by means of a nasal mask that fits over your nose. Some have nasal pillows which can be inserted into the nostrils. Airpressure then holds the airway open and prevents the collapse of the soft palate and tongue over the airway passage. It allows you to breathe normally and get more uninterrupted sleep! Nasal CPAP opens the upper airway which is where my trouble is.
 My unit is fitted with a heated humidifier.

They are set up to use air flow from the room and they filter out dust and other airborne particles.

It basically blows a pretty healthy steady stream of air up your nose into your lungs to keep you breathing all night and to try to eliminate Apnea episodes.

I will tell you more later if I can.. Right now I am off to check into the hospital for some more tests.. Talk soon .. welcome once again!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Janie Jane on 06/11/2007 15:41:25
God, that would be enough to keep you up at night.  Don't have a problem with sleep apnoea, thankfully!  Yes I am on the sunny East coast of England.  Good luck at the hospital.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: another_someone on 06/11/2007 15:51:28
I know where Southend is, but have not been there since I was a child (I live in Hertfordshire, and I know there are a few other forum members around London, but none that I know of in Essex).
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2007 09:36:43
I CANNOT SLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP tonight! AHHHHHHHH .. I am so not tired! I was in bed all day yesterday and bored stiff now I can't sleep. No yawns no droopy eyes no visions of sheeps to count no dreams no nodding no sandman do sleepies even anywhere hiding out! Thinking of taking a big big trip Turtle Island and never coming back!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2007 14:01:07
6:00AM still awake ..... running out of things to do.. and I am bored!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 10/11/2007 02:51:32
Hello there,

My name is Luiza Sauma - I'm a journalist at The Independent on Sunday. I'm currently trying to put together a feature about insomnia, because it seems like almost everyone I know is suffering from the condition - myself included. I'm going to attempt to explore - through case studies, medical explanations and psychoanalysis - why so many people in the UK are finding it hard to get a good night's sleep.

I'm currently looking for insomniacs of all ages to speak to. There's a possiblity that someone will have to be photographed, but this hasn't been confirmed yet. But I can assure you that the piece will be very sensitive and sympathetic.

So, if you're interested, drop me a line at L.sauma@independent.co.uk. Might be helpful if you put something like "insomnia" in the subject line.

Thanks!
Luiza


I responded.

Seems my 36 years of chronic Insomnia ( day in day out since I was six years old) does not qualify me !

The powers that be have determined that the article shall be related to people in their teens and twentys....the fact that I spent my ENTIRE teens and twenties suffering with Insomnia precludes me from being accepted.

This is a first for me.......I can not fathom why there needs to be an ageist twist !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/11/2007 02:53:32
Thats very odd! Seems you would be a good resource of information....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 10/11/2007 03:03:58
Thats very odd! Seems you would be a good resource of information....

It actually pissed me off !!...

I never spoke with Luiza in person...just received an email...but I did try to call her.....just to see what the logic behind it was !!

..I really feel quite rejected by it !!...it's not as I wanted paying.......other interviews and documentary type things I have done have all been for the " cause "...so that others may benefit from it.........in this case !!....well......I won't be buying the Independent to read the article !!

To celebrate...I just took 15mg of Nitrazepam !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/11/2007 03:15:49
Oh Neily...Please be careful... I am so in trouble right now... can't stay long...Please sleep well..
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Post by: neilep on 10/11/2007 03:19:03
Oh Neily...Please be careful... I am so in trouble right now... can't stay long...Please sleep well..

Be careful ?....what about ?....I'd need a lot lot more to be 'not careful '.....just get yourself out of trouble....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 10/11/2007 03:41:28
 I am trying I hope you sleep good tonight....Sound like my kids... and my Doctor... night!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 10/11/2007 07:12:09
*sigh* I've just picked Nic up, now I'm too wired to sleep.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 11/11/2007 07:05:16
......2am.  another long miserable night. [V]
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/11/2007 08:54:48
Sorry Carolyn!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: matt w on 14/11/2007 02:18:08
hi all just been reading through the forum
my names matt, im 22 and i havnt been able to sleep properly for as long as i can remeber when i was young bout 4/5 i used to wait till my mum and dad went to bed then sit and watch TV all night because i couldnt sleep.
i used to go night after night with not a single bit of sleep longest i can remember was about a week n a half. but as im getting older i dont seem to beanle to cope as well.
i noticed some of you said you feel like zombies well i know the feeling.
i kind of feel emotionless
the problem is i know i should be sleeping as the time on the clock gets closer and closer to the alarm going off but it just doesnt happen
im guessing alot of you are older than me so id like to know if it gets harder to cope as we get older
i think my body needs the rest but my mind is sayin "not a chance m8"
even when i do fall asleep im never really asleep i remember all my dreams so clear and can only stay asllep for 2 hours tops
ive recently tried kalms suposed to be a herbal remedy to promote sleep but they dont seem to work with me
ive seen doctors and psychiatrists which all have there own theorys to why i cant sleep blaming it on stress or depression which i have neither
basically i signed up to the forum just to chat with people who can fully understand what im going through most people think insomnia is juat a dance track released in the 90s or they go on bout the film fight club, ive never met or spoken to any one befor that suffers from insomnia as i do.

also ive been told recently that some people have really fast matabolism or however its spelt not sure what that is exactly i was told that if you do you will produce energy within your body faster and in the case of sleep can recharge you body and mind faster than normal and we just dont need as much sleep as some people does anyone know if this is true
ive been told so many different causes for my problem thst i just dont know what to think any more.

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Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/11/2007 02:38:37
Welcome Matt! Glad to have you here. I do not recall hearing that about the metabolism, but I know Neil has like a ton of energy all the time he may know something of the phenomenom of which you speak. I just started using  a CPAP machine, and it helps when I finally am able to get to sleep! The problem is getting to sleep it is near impossible sometimes! Nice to see you here feel free to ask lots of questions! LOL Someone will be around to answer or at least try to!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/11/2007 12:09:25
4:08 am can't sleep tonight.. Hoping all of you are snoozing away! Sweet dreams..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/11/2007 13:38:53
5:38 am still wide awake!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: matt w on 15/11/2007 02:40:24
thanks for the welcome karren :D
on day 3 with no sleep now
just wondered do you ever feel like your well tired like its a proper effort to hold up your head so you go to bed but after lyin there 20 mins you feel wide awake again.
coz that just happened to me never happened b4 i normally lie in bed thinkin bout random stuff for a few hours till i eventually fall alseep or get bored and do summat lol
also that machine thing you mentioned where would i find out about it as in where to get one n that?
plus you said it helps you stay asleep once asleep i take it it doesnt help you get to sleep in the first place?
thanx in advance if you find time to answer my questions :D
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/11/2007 02:55:51
Every single night I feel like that!

So tired so I lie down.. then boom like a huge adrenelin rush and I can't sleep. I have tried everything.. It has always taken me forever if not ever to fall asleep. Then I would wake up again moments sometimes an or two then that was it!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: matt w on 15/11/2007 02:56:14
sayin that it could have been because of them kalms pills im takin
but still i didnt acctually manage to sleep
i should add i also suffer with ADHD which causes me to be hyperactive the thing is im not sure weather me not sleeping is because of that or if i do acctually have insomnia
basically i just wanna hear what its like for you to have insomnia so i can c the similaritys in myself
i still live with my mum (sad i know at 22) but she doesnt want me taking any sleeping tablets says i can get hooked and depend on em or summat so im open to sugestions for anything that might help that isnt basically a tranquliser
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/11/2007 02:59:21
Oh Yeah about the cpap ask your doctor to recommend a sleep study have one done and see if apnea or hypneas are causing your problem once you reach sleep. My problem was I was never reaching rem sleep where you dream I was lucky to sleep two hours.. I am hit and miss. The last two weeks I have been very congested and cant sleep with the mask as it requires strictly nose breathing no breathing through your mouth...You could have some serious problems causing you to wake after you are finally out..
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/11/2007 03:02:32
sayin that it could have been because of them kalms pills im takin
but still i didnt acctually manage to sleep
i should add i also suffer with ADHD which causes me to be hyperactive the thing is im not sure weather me not sleeping is because of that or if i do acctually have insomnia
basically i just wanna hear what its like for you to have insomnia so i can c the similaritys in myself
i still live with my mum (sad i know at 22) but she doesnt want me taking any sleeping tablets says i can get hooked and depend on em or summat so im open to sugestions for anything that might help that isnt basically a tranquliser

I tried them they were awful and did not make me feel good. I hate pills and would prefer to struggle rather then suffer the after effects of the pill. at least without it I was always able to be happy during the day but the sleep aide pills made me sleep hard but I felt drugged and out of it for two days! It was horrid.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: matt w on 15/11/2007 03:08:03
how would you control that tho once asleep surely you have no way of knowin if your breathing through your mouth or not
whats a sleep study? do you have to try and sleep somewhere and ppl monitor you?
coz that could take a few days with me lol
im not sure if i reach REM i do dream but when i wake up i remember the whole thing like you remember what you did the day befor
i never get more than two hours sleep with the odd exception when ive been clubbin and got absoloutly smashed lol
but the feeling of being tired is new to me ive never felt tired b4
i thought i had but not like that could hardly keep my eyes open

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/11/2007 03:08:42
I went and had two sleep studies done and It turned out that I was waking several time a minute.. having my body waking me when my heart rate dropped real low. I have heart problems. So it was causing these problems apneas and many many many hypneas during the course of 20 minutes period!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: matt w on 15/11/2007 03:12:34
i was given general anistetic or what ever it is b4 an op b4 within seconds i was asleep but 30 mins l8r i woke up in the middle of my op n that was freaky has owt like that happened to you?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: matt w on 15/11/2007 03:18:37
btw lol at the too much spare time on there hands level member thing haha funny
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/11/2007 03:18:57
The tired is very new for me I think it is all the new meds but I get really tired every night now. Before I never felt so tired always just the opposite lots of energy and antsy..

Here is the thing with the mask if you try to talk or open your mouth to breath you choke because it forces a very large amount of air into your face like driving in the back of a truck and turning to face oncoming traffic at 6o miles and hour it takes your breath away. You automatically are forced to close your mouth in order to breathe

If you are dreaming you are reaching rem that is good it helps you feel some rested the next day! You could still have other problems like me or even differently!

When I started these new medications for my heart and other difficulties .. antidepressants , I really started feeling tired throughout the day where I never used to feel that day! I think meds play a part in that! Tired meant I could possibly get some sleep it was never a guarantee!
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/11/2007 03:22:09
Yes it is funny and befitting members with ensomnia although only relatively related.. I do spend any spare time here as I love this forum and its members never been party to such a wonderful organization as this is! It refers to number of posts etc. no biggie! LOL..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: matt w on 15/11/2007 03:30:07
not sure i could sleep wearin a mask is it not uncomfortable coz that would be enough to keep you awake
ive only just come across this forum but ive been reading through alot and ive learnt loads
plus i never knew that so many ppl suffered with insomnia
think il have one of them sleep studies done i take it i just ask my GP
as i said b4 tho ive seen alot of doctors and psychiatrists and everytime i get a different reason as to y im not sleeping properly
im not sure they acctually know
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/11/2007 03:42:57
 They don't Matt don't take this wrong but are you overweight at all because part of my hypneas are from being over weight.when you lay down these skin flaps and such block my airway some.. this could improve some with weightloss.

My first sleep study was fruitless as I could not sleep the second one they made me take a sleepaide. so they could monitor me through the night asleep! They hook you up to little electrode wires and then they monitor from another room after a few simple tests and questions.. They may have to do a second if you did not sleep!

Yep a GP is good! It takes real studying to isolate the problem and then there is still no guarantee they will!
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/11/2007 03:50:18
Will be back in a bit,, enjoy and prowl around..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: matt w on 15/11/2007 03:56:11
no im not overweight my GP says i have perfect phisical health thats also y the last doctor i saw told me about the metabolism thing i wasnt really listening tho (ADHD)
i wonder why none of the people ive seen has recomended a sleep study b4 is it common im guessing it is, i will ask about it even if they cant help atleast it should help me understand my problem
thanx for takin the time to answer my questions neway
you might get sick of me soon lol ;)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/11/2007 05:41:03
No... won't get sick of you! Feel free to ask any questions you like. If we can answer we will. Neil could really help you I believe he knows more about it because he has been struggling like you since he was a boy. He has tons of energy like you...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/11/2007 05:52:00
He is the one who talked me into the sleep study and I brought it up at an appointment but as I did, she had already talked to a sleep lab about me and made arrangements seem she and Neil were on the same page...LOL... Check out CPAP MACHINE! Mine is a Bi Level Machine it has a vaporizor as well as an adjustable start up so it starts at low air and gradually builds up over 45 minutes giving me more time to sleep before it blasts me! LOL!

Read this web address info that I will pm you...about cpap machines etc.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 19/11/2007 13:51:48
Hi Guys
Just returned from vacation, which was great and yes, I managed to relax and even get some sleep!

Now what I used while away (partly coz we were travelling through time zones) was 6 gm Melatonin and 30c Coffea Cruda.  I managed about four hours sleep most nights, which was great, although felt exhausted the first few days as not used to sleeping. 

I do also take Zopiclone or Promethazine if I get desparate.

Welcome to the newcomers - sorry to hear you too experience insomnia, a common and much misunderstood problem.  The worse thing for me is you can't get time off work for being too tired through endless lack of sleep, even though one is  probably a menace on the road driving to work (can't possibly be functioning properly)and probably prone to making mistakes at work.

GPs are useless.  I was told that my insomnia was due to an underlying depression.  I was not depressed until I started not sleeping.  I'd always been a vibrant and outgoing sort of person.  Lack of sleep makes me hyper, after about two nights without sleep I begin to feel a "buzz", as if my body is wired and I become even more alert and "high".  I also get feelings of panic in the early hours, especially when I know I have to work the next day (I only work part time now because I don't feel I can cope with a full week's work and work related stress any more).  This panic feeling seems to give me a rush of adrenaline and then I am wide awake and I find my hearing becomes very acute too.  I too also find that the longer I don't get any sleep, the less sleepy I feel, don't yawn, etc.

On the whole I try not to worry about it, but I'd be lying if I said it doesn't bother me.  I am sure a whole range of minor ailments I now suffer from are due to lack of sleep (needless to say the GP says not).

On the weight issue - I have put on loads of weight over the past 10 years despite increasing exercise and eating healthily - again I mainly blame lack of sleep for this and I have read that this is often the cause of weight gain for people.

Hey ho, life goes on!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 19/11/2007 14:27:07
 i AM GLAD YOU HAD SOME SLEEP ON YOUR VACATION AM SORRY YOU HAD TO USE SO MUCH STUFF TO GET TO SLEEP. i HOPE YOU ARE RESTING NOW THAT YOU ARE HOME!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 21/11/2007 10:08:39
Not sleeping since my return :0(
Seein homeopath this evening to see what he has to say.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/11/2007 14:01:22
Hi All,

Please forgive my recent lack of participation here. I have become extremely lethargic and also ....in recent times I've had a change of attitude (well the last few years actually)...in that I took a leap of faith and just have an air of total acceptance.

This in fact does help me cope a lot better. I don;t get as stressed as I used to , tired and exhausted etc etc yes...but...after so many years...and with so little support.....the only help I find is best to help yourself !

For the peeps here who's Insomnia is just transitory or just come and goes in phases then I would urge them to keep shouting at their doctors...in these cases there is usually always an underlying reason.........for those who know nothing else....then...well...it's up to you......I just accept my situation......It's my life.....I wouldn't know a good nights sleep if I actually had one !!....

for the most part....this acceptance has helped....I still of course have all the usual suspects that comes with deprivation of sleep.....but I find just a small change of attitude helps one to cope........cos if no one is really gonna help us...then..we have to find a way to help ourselves....
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Post by: neilep on 23/11/2007 06:05:55
Hi Plaidlumberjack !!

Just gone 6am here !...oh well !!

Naa...even the biggest cities in the world have sod all when it comes to support networks......the only place I could think of going in the middle of the night is the 24hour supermarket !!...Oh joy !!.....

well...I suppose I could go running up and down my street ringing everybodys doorbells !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/11/2007 12:40:55
LOL... Now com on tell the truth you have already done that! Thats why the neighbors wear ear plugs!!!! Tell the truth already! LOL LOL!
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/11/2007 12:49:55
Can't sleep. WOE IS ME.... achy all over tonight. shoulder hurts my back is aching low and on the sides having discomfort between my shoulder blades in the middle of my back..neck muscles are sore and I need a nice massage! Yikes.. my legs are acting up to boot! I might join you Neil.. I'll knock on my  5 neighbors doors!! Maybe they are doing something interesting...

well well well.... la da da da da.....oh poo!
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Post by: neilep on 25/11/2007 08:09:06
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!

none of this is me...

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Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 25/11/2007 09:45:01
Oh I am sorry Sheepy! Wish sleep had found you! I tried to find some more that you could try... why not try any of these:

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Or maybe wake up wifey and try lots of this:

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I bet that would help! LOL LOL!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Laura B on 26/11/2007 11:38:14
Hello

I hope you do not mind me adding to your forum, but I would be really interested in your views.  I am a Trainee Clinical Psychologist and currently doing my Doctorate on Chronic Insomnia at the University of Glasgow Sleep Laboratory.  This forum has been very useful for understanding the torment that many of you go through, and lack of appropriate treatment options.

Traditional treatments such as Cognitive Behaviour Therapy or medication, does not always appear to be beneficial for individuals with life long insomnia, yet clinicians currently manage people with insomnia in the same way, regardless of their presentation.

My current research is looking at alternative psychological treatments for insomnia.

I would be really interested in hearing from anyone to gather some more information. I hope that if you do contact me, you would find it beneficial to discuss your sleep related difficulties, and to receive feedback regarding the findings of my research.

Please e-mail me at the following address for further information:
sleepresearch@hotmail.co.uk

Thank you

Laura
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 26/11/2007 12:02:18
Welcome Laura and thank you for picking this thread... You may find Neilep very interested also. As All of us will be in learning how your work progresses. Welcome again and I hope you can have a lot more success then the currant researchers.
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Post by: neilep on 26/11/2007 13:39:08
I have emailed Laura...hopefully she'll get in touch.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 26/11/2007 13:40:35
Good! YAYYYYYYYY! Maybe something she does will be a useful tool for you to sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 26/11/2007 15:00:50
I have been up all night. Am tired but have tried several times and no luck  this time.. I hope you all slept better then I did last night!
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Post by: neilep on 26/11/2007 15:13:57
I have been up all night. Am tired but have tried several times and no luck  this time.. I hope you all slept better then I did last night!


The sleep I had was forced with Nitrazepam sleep tab joy !!....and then I was awake at 6:30-7am...oh happy days !!


sorry you too are having a rough time.

I think I need a machine like yours.....except that my one repeatedly knocks me out with a hammer !!


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Post by: Karen W. on 26/11/2007 15:39:54
Getting to sleep is the problem with the machine.. once asleep It helps I feel better even if all I got was three hours it feels like more. I think it keeps the breathing from waking you so much. Having your adenoids removed when you snore really badly helps my Johnny had a heck of a time with sleep because of the snoring.. they took his adenoids out when they did his ear and cut the bone back and put in the tubes. all in one step which was nice. He has been great since as far as sleeping. he sleeps very well now.. but it was horrid when he was little.

I bet a machine would help you.. once you got to sleep. I bet your snoring causes trouble!

I am glad you got some and I will get some too, thanks Neil.

No Hammers allowed!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Laura B on 27/11/2007 16:19:10
Hello

Thank you for the warm welcome and for getting in touch.  I will be happy to post any significant findings on here.

Study will be running for the next six months if anyone else is interested in participating.  Please contact me, and I can provide you with additional information (see previous post).

sleepresearch@hotmail.co.uk

Laura
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 27/11/2007 18:36:53
I would be interested but am not in the uk so I will wait for you to post some results as you go. Thanks  and glad you looked here I hope it helps some of these people!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 28/11/2007 13:42:09
Hey Guys
Good news - for me at any rate.  Went to see Homeopath and was given some tablets - have been sleeping 4 - 5 hours a night since last Friday!  Don't even wake up with partner's snoring!

I am happy with this amount of sleep, although I felt sooooooo tired the first morning.  I hope it lasts................... :0)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 28/11/2007 19:12:26
Nice do you know what it is they gave you? I am glad it is working. Is it a hebal tablet or something you need to get with a prescription?
I hope it continues to help you and that there are no bad side effects!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 12/12/2007 12:37:09
I've been given Coffea Cruda because it fits my symptoms (its not the same remedy for everyone).  It is natural - "like cures like" type of thing - in this case if you drink coffee it is likely to keep you awake, but taking a minute dose of Coffea Cruda induces sleep - that's my understanding of it.  I used to think it bunkum, but when you are desparate you will try anything and so far, this does seem to be working - even if it's psychological in reality!!  No side effects with homeopathy apparently, it either works or doesn't.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 12/12/2007 16:25:03
Crap Night...Crap Life !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/12/2007 16:30:29
No sleeping yet..So sorry sheepy. Sending you all my sleepy zonked feelings!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 12/12/2007 16:42:33
Thanks Karen,

But save them for yourself....nothing works for me and the whole friggin world don't care !!..(I mean the medical world)

*can ewe tell i'm in a baaaaaad mood ?*
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 12/12/2007 16:43:25
Plus.....I have a crap cold !!...and my head hurts !!..I think it needs removing !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/12/2007 16:46:52
Yes.. I am sorry I wish they would find something to help you!I care and am sorry you are feeling badly and not sleeping again. Wish you felt better. Sorry Neily.


OH what you doing trying to feel like me.. Wheres the chopping block! LOL Are your sinuses all blocked too?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/12/2007 16:52:52
Hey have you tried that new Zicam cold remedy, gel swab that you swab your nasel pasage with and it is supposed to really help put a kabosh on the cold and way shorten its life! My daughter said it works great!

Its  homeopathic..check it out!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/12/2007 16:53:35
It won't help your cold, but have you had a flue shot yet!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 12/12/2007 17:54:24
Hey have you tried that new Zicam cold remedy, gel swab that you swab your nasel pasage with and it is supposed to really help put a kabosh on the cold and way shorten its life! My daughter said it works great!

Its  homeopathic..check it out!

Zicam ?....it'll only work if a crate of it falls on my head !!

What's a kabosh ?....is it a wet shlippery kebab ?...or as ewe guys say kabob !!...lol...kabob !!

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: kdlynn on 12/12/2007 18:03:49
you guys have all different kinds of medicine there. it's basically just a mega shot of zinc. they have a spray, the nose gel stuff, a nose spray, some quick desolte tablets... look for something like that. may have a different name there.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 12/12/2007 18:10:23
Thanks Kadie.....

I reckon it's all the same just under different names....

..thanks for your help muchly wuchly !!

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 12/12/2007 18:32:06
Hey have you tried that new Zicam cold remedy, gel swab that you swab your nasel pasage with and it is supposed to really help put a kabosh on the cold and way shorten its life! My daughter said it works great!

Its  homeopathic..check it out!

Zicam ?....it'll only work if a crate of it falls on my head !!

What's a kabosh ?....is it a wet shlippery kebab ?...or as ewe guys say kabob !!...lol...kabob !!



"Put the kabosh on it" means to, "stop it in its tracks"

Google the Zicam!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/12/2007 08:41:05
Plus.....I have a crap cold !!...and my head hurts !!..I think it needs removing !!

You Know I am experienced in removing heads.. So if you step forward and

tell weather you prefer having your neck rung or just the quick easy comfort

of the chopping block, then I would be glad to take care of business if only

you promise not to run around like a chicken with his head cut off.. and

most of all stay out of my little red wagon [;)] [;D]...LOL LOL! [:D] [:D]

 [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 14/12/2007 05:42:48
crud !!....another night with NO sleep !!...I mean....what's the point in even trying ??
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/12/2007 05:59:57
Sorry you are not sleeping! Wish you were. Me neither but it is early for me,  unlike you!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/12/2007 06:00:37
Did you take your sleepy tabs?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 14/12/2007 06:08:21
nope....i took sleepy tabs last night and don't like to take them when i don't need them...ie: when i don't have an early appointment or something !..............so...this will be another crud day in the bucket of my life !!

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/12/2007 06:11:35
Well How can you make it a day full of smiles instead? Turn that frown upside down...

I do understand.. well maybe something really special will happen and make your day bright and happy!Maybe special sand fairies will come visit very soon!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 18/12/2007 05:32:20
Ho Hum.......12:30, not even close to being able to sleep and don't think I will.  These leg cramps are driving me crazy!!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 18/12/2007 10:54:56
I am sorry you are not sleeping . I hope you are now. Leg cramps? Is your potassium low or is it a med your taking they can cause some severe cramps.. Lipitor was killing me like that. As soon as he took me off from them, the leg cramps, stomach muscle cramps, back, etc, etc, even cramping across the front of my shins ceased and they have been gone since!


I crashed around 7:30 this evening and figured I better take it where I could, but now I am up and wide awake!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 18/12/2007 12:53:03
Oh Guys
I do feel for you all.  Me too - back to not sleeping.  So much for homeopathy, maybe my original thoughts that is was bunkum are justified.  I even took sleeping tablets last night and apart from feeling calm and pleasantly lazy, sleep eluded me....... AGAIN!! GP has said he thinks it has gotten psychological - he maybe right, dunno, how do you  know?  Even if it is, whaddya do about it?

I totally empathise with you allxxxx
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 18/12/2007 13:00:02
And we with you Misty. I am sorry you are not sleeping. I was hoping that something was going to work for you. I actually did sleep last night but had to go to sleep really early then was awake by 2:00 am..

I hope tomorrow is better for you.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 18/12/2007 14:05:14
The last two years for me has seen a dramatic down turn in the level of sleep I get..(which had been an average of 2-3 hours a night anyway)........and it's bad quality sleep too.

I can be up for 48 hours.....take three sleeping tablets....take three hours to get to sleep and then only sleep for twenty minutes !!....my body then thinks it's had enough sleep as it then takes forever to get to sleep again.

I've had enough...!!..I have made  an appointment with my GP next Monday and I am going to kick up a fuss !!...cos it's killing me !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 18/12/2007 14:22:20
I am so glad you are going to give them and ear full Kind sir! YAYYYYYYYY! Stick to it and make them fix it! Surely theres something. Are you still doing accupunture or is that done? I take it it has not helped at all!
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Post by: Carolyn on 18/12/2007 14:54:07
I am sorry you are not sleeping . I hope you are now. Leg cramps? Is your potassium low or is it a med your taking they can cause some severe cramps.. Lipitor was killing me like that. As soon as he took me off from them, the leg cramps, stomach muscle cramps, back, etc, etc, even cramping across the front of my shins ceased and they have been gone since!


I crashed around 7:30 this evening and figured I better take it where I could, but now I am up and wide awake!

Thanks Karen.  I finally made it to sleep around 3:30 am and had to be up at 6:30 to get the brat off to school.  Went back to sleep at 8 and just woke up.  I've had this pattern going on for about a week now.  I hate it cos when I do wake up it takes me a long time to function cos I'm all jittery and shaky.

Yes, I do have low potassium, and the cramping is getting worse.  Now I'm getting them in my inner thighs and they go all the way through and up to my lower back.  I've never had cramps like that.. They're horrible.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 18/12/2007 14:56:07
The last two years for me has seen a dramatic down turn in the level of sleep I get..(which had been an average of 2-3 hours a night anyway)........and it's bad quality sleep too.

I can be up for 48 hours.....take three sleeping tablets....take three hours to get to sleep and then only sleep for twenty minutes !!....my body then thinks it's had enough sleep as it then takes forever to get to sleep again.

I've had enough...!!..I have made  an appointment with my GP next Monday and I am going to kick up a fuss !!...cos it's killing me !!

I'm praying the your GP can do something to give you some relief.  I'm getting worried about my sheepy friend.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 18/12/2007 15:16:22
I am sorry you are not sleeping . I hope you are now. Leg cramps? Is your potassium low or is it a med your taking they can cause some severe cramps.. Lipitor was killing me like that. As soon as he took me off from them, the leg cramps, stomach muscle cramps, back, etc, etc, even cramping across the front of my shins ceased and they have been gone since!


I crashed around 7:30 this evening and figured I better take it where I could, but now I am up and wide awake!

Thanks Karen.  I finally made it to sleep around 3:30 am and had to be up at 6:30 to get the brat off to school.  Went back to sleep at 8 and just woke up.  I've had this pattern going on for about a week now.  I hate it cos when I do wake up it takes me a long time to function cos I'm all jittery and shaky.

Yes, I do have low potassium, and the cramping is getting worse.  Now I'm getting them in my inner thighs and they go all the way through and up to my lower back.  I've never had cramps like that.. They're horrible.

That is awful cramping it was happing for a couple months for me it was horrible I could not move any part of me without setting off a cramp.. walking was horrible.. the ones that start at your toes and go from there all the way into your shoulders and across your back all at once are totally disabling.. I spent hours crying.. It was awful.. I am so sorry its happening to you .. I was so relieved when they found the problem and stopped it because the meds were not helping!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 18/12/2007 18:19:03
Thank Ewe Both (Karen & Carolyn)


Yes, the acupuncture is all done with....they think It would need at least 6 months (in my case) to see a result. Unfortunately, I just cannnot commit to this kind of schedule and (with my doubts)...I have decided to leave things be.

I believe I am existing on adrenalin alone at the moment...and I can't imagine it lasting so long....

.....I would never normally be so upset , as I have been living with an air of acceptance which has really helped me cope ........but......it gets to a point when ewe can just take so much.......
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 19/12/2007 02:56:05
Your welcome...sorry theres nothing we can do..but listen. I wish the doctors would do something soon. Hugs....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 19/12/2007 05:03:37
I think I'd just like to be knocked out for a few hours !!.....5am...!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 19/12/2007 05:06:41
I think I'd just like to be knocked out for a few hours !!.....5am...!!
I think I'd just like to be knocked out for a few hours !!.....5am...!!

...sorry.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 19/12/2007 05:10:54
I think I'd just like to be knocked out for a few hours !!.....5am...!!

Can they do that just give you a great big rest, to allow you some sleep? Seriously why can't they do that and help you out a couple times would it be unsafe?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 19/12/2007 05:16:27
I don't want a general anesthetic.....perhaps just a strong tranquilizer !!....
.....I doubt they would just give it to me use at home.....I was just ' thinking' out loud !!......thanks anyway girlies.....i too wish you all happy sleepy times !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 19/12/2007 05:21:41
I know you were thinking out loud and so was I.. LOL.. would be nice if they had something that worked. Wish the same for you Kind Sir!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 19/12/2007 06:10:31
CRAP!!!

I think I'd like to be knocked out too....

............a baseball bat will do. [:-'(]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 19/12/2007 16:18:11
Oh Neilep, I do feel for you - not that helps at all does it?  The adrenalin feeling I can well empathise with, it's like the less I sleep, the more 'fired up' I feel, like I am buzzing inside.  Do keep us informed of what your GP says and good luck.

I did get a few hours last night, thanks to a Zopiclone tablet.

Carolyn have you tried an osteopath for your legs, could be a problem with your lower back?  I do find osteopathy is good for a lot of things (except sleep of course!)

I am trying a course of reflexology in the New Year.  Has anyone else tried that and does it help?

At the moment I am accepting not sleeping again, but I go through phases of getting really panicky about it too, especially at 2 - 3 am, when I have to get up and drive to work the next day.

Despite the insomnia, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and hopefully some solutions to this problem of ours.

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 19/12/2007 17:41:53
Misty,

I wish You a merry Christmas also.. My favorite time of the year! I have heard about the Reflexology but have never tried it. I really think most of my problems stem from problems that remain in my head from childhood and have had some new ones added lately that don't make it any easier.

Every little sound in the house becomes louder and I get jumpy! They scare me.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/12/2007 09:15:27
Bah Humbug !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/12/2007 11:58:17
Sorry you  can't  sleep. What did you occupy yourself with all night?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/12/2007 12:01:50
Radio, TV, Books, Bang Head On Wall,work, rest, play..............actually, I just walked around the garden in bare feet !
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/12/2007 12:12:43
Wow Neily....Bare feet... its cold... Is it raining too? Well DID it HELP!!! I  am sorry you are not sleeping..Wish I had some ideas but I know you have already tried them all!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/12/2007 12:15:28
Just in the garden..right?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/12/2007 13:23:48
It's OK Kareny Mam......I was jesting about the garden walk !!....sorry...didn;t mean to alarm you.......just fed up !....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/12/2007 15:17:38
I am Glad.. It is frozen over here today Black ice everywhere this morning. Nathan had to kick the truck into 4wheel drive to get himself home from work so he stopped here until the sun comes up and warms up the pavement some... It is dangerous out and he fears his fire pager will go off and he'll have to go out on a call for some wrecks.. I hope not.. everyone should just sit tight and not drive for awhile..

I know how frustrating it can be wish you felt better!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 04/01/2008 07:27:31
Theres a storm blowing.. But I can't sleep. Usually they are like lullabies.
I have posted and read old posts looked at tons of our old posts and members seems so quiet lately. I know its that time of year..

I hope others are sleeping soundly tonight. sweet dreams all you restless souls. Sweet dreams.

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 08/01/2008 15:37:57
Hi guys!
Happy New Year to all my sleepless mates out there!  Did you all have a good Festive Season???  I did, despite some lack of sleep.  I must admit since I have stopped worrying so much about whether I sleep or not, I think I am actually sleeping a lot better.  However, since being back at work, it has become a problem again - I am not happy at work, so it is hardly surprising.

Got my first reflexology session coming up in two weeks time, so will let you know how that goes.

Where is everybody?????????
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/01/2008 18:35:53
Hi MIsty.. Glad you had some sleep but am sorry it has digressed again and I understand. Sometimes it does that.. A lot actually.

I just had 3 hours of very broken sleep. have not slept worth a darn for two weeks so any sleep at all is very nice.

I hope your work troubles resolve themselves and you get some sleep.

Good Luck with the reflexology sessions and I hope that they help you to find some peaceful sleep.Best wishes..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 09/01/2008 07:17:39
2:14 am.  I wish I could sleep!  I haven't slept more than a few hours since Sunday.  Have a long drive home tomorrow and I don't want to do it while I'm sleep deprived! UGHHHH!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 09/01/2008 07:35:48
Sorry Your not sleeping! Go to bed... LOL.. Quit Typing!  LOL.. Although it does not work for me!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 09/01/2008 16:35:51
Me too..Not sleeping..LOL
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 11/01/2008 17:37:22
I never go immedietly to sleep. I always lay there until like 11:00. Then, bam, it's morning. Then I check my grades and I have 5 billion C's. Splenderific...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/01/2008 19:06:22
Well What time do you go to sleep? Maybe you are trying to soon. Your old enough that your awake time may be changing.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 11/01/2008 19:27:26
I'm being interviewed on Tuesday (over the phone) about my Insomnia....which is nice !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/01/2008 19:59:15
That is good. Article or a study?
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Post by: neilep on 11/01/2008 20:23:40
That is good. Article or a study?

For a study.....I answered a whole load of questionnaires......I guess it's to do with my answers.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/01/2008 23:19:11
Well I guess they find some great undiscovered clue to help you and all of us!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/01/2008 23:19:44
BTW.. You always have great answers!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 13/01/2008 11:15:34
Still awake.. 314AM.. I thought I was on a roll.. three nights sleep in a row.. Then I jinxed my self, and said something, now Boom! No sleep so far tonight!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 14/01/2008 07:10:45
2 am......no sleep.

I've replied to all my work emails, cleaned the refridgerator, did Nic's laundry and made $20 [;D], watched some incredibly stupid movie about car reposessors.....tried going to bed but it was no use....I still can't sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 14/01/2008 07:17:26
and now I'm dizzy! [xx(]
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 14/01/2008 17:39:27
Well What time do you go to sleep? Maybe you are trying to soon. Your old enough that your awake time may be changing.
I go to bed at 10.
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/01/2008 17:50:01
2 am......no sleep.

I've replied to all my work emails, cleaned the refridgerator, did Nic's laundry and made $20 [;D], watched some incredibly stupid movie about car reposessors.....tried going to bed but it was no use....I still can't sleep!

Did you watch repo man too!LOL I did! LOL
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/01/2008 17:52:20
Well What time do you go to sleep? Maybe you are trying to soon. Your old enough that your awake time may be changing.
I go to bed at 10.

So are you 14 years old? You very well might just not be tired yet!

Make sure you don't do strenuous exercise before bed.. it gives energy and makes one restless. Some nice stretches could be beneficial.. and watch what you eat and drink before bed!
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Post by: Carolyn on 14/01/2008 17:53:32
2 am......no sleep.

I've replied to all my work emails, cleaned the refridgerator, did Nic's laundry and made $20 [;D], watched some incredibly stupid movie about car reposessors.....tried going to bed but it was no use....I still can't sleep!

Did you watch repo man too!LOL I did! LOL
LOL....YES!  That was the name of it! What an awful movie!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/01/2008 18:02:52
Well, It used to be one of Bobs favorite movies.. I don't get it.. It was awful!!! LOL Looks like we were both not sleeping! LOL
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Post by: Carolyn on 16/01/2008 07:05:20
2 am again and again no sleep!!!  I'm so tired.  My back is out, having severe pain from this ******* fibromyalgia!!!  Took a pain pill 2 hours ago and it hasn't helped at all. 
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Post by: Karen W. on 16/01/2008 07:45:08
I am sorry to see you up still also. I tried but no luck. I will try again soon. Wish you felt better.
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Post by: Karen W. on 21/01/2008 11:54:54
Good day London...I am wide awake and hoping you all had a restful sleep! 3:15 am.. can't sleep.. laid in bed for hours no go.. So I came and have been posting about an hour or so.

Well hope all is well and hope the rain stopped falling on your heads.. unless of course thats what you like! LOL..

Will try again soon!
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Post by: Carolyn on 22/01/2008 06:58:56
ho hum......2 am, can't sleep...have to be up in 4 hours.
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Post by: Karen W. on 22/01/2008 10:34:41
Me too.. I have tried twice.. and am whipped.. just can't get the sleep to come... Good luck..
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/01/2008 15:56:37
7:54 AM. I am running out of things to count!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: kartythefirst on 23/01/2008 16:21:15
hello from australia newbie here have followed the forum for a while but felt too awkward to write anything but I did really want to say a big thank you to everone on this site and particularly neil who's messages have been around from day dot your honesty and the glimpses of complete frustration laced with admirable optimism have seen me through some of the lowest moments and you've all made me feel not quite so alone. For now I do need to at least type something because I'm feeling a fair dose of guilt today. I spent 6 years straight on sleeping pills, just a little bit addicted! I fell pregnant went cold turkey off them and lost the baby i didn't touch them again for 5 years, now 34 weeks pregnant i've been back on them no pills no sleep i just can't go day after day with nothing so at about the 40 hour sleep free mark i'm taking them just feel so guilty about it and today the obstetrician has suggested bringing on early delivery if i get exhausted, stressed and sleep deprived I can have a seizure that can harm the baby so far I've avoided it but i guess with insomnia getting worse it's a risk, before the delivery I have to go a full week pill free that petrifies me as you all know your own company can send you crazy after a while and late night tv well I don't need to say much about that do i! I also have to say that if one more well meaning person suggests horlicks or peppermint tea to me I think I'll kick them in frustration! Irony of it all is I'm a health care advisor who empathises and gives remedies to people who say they can't sleep till 12/1 o'clock all with a sympathetic smile. Anyway I needed to say to someone I can't cope but I am because that's what you learn to do and I needed to say thank you for your support and I optimistically hope that sleep visits you all sorry this is such a long post.
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/01/2008 18:03:31
Hi Karty,
I am sorry you are having to do this at a point when you should be able to enjoy your pregnancy and feel good and rested. I am sorry for your previous loss. I hope for you to to continue on and remain strong.. There is as you know, nothing we can say to make your sleep better but as you have found, it is somewhat comforting to be able to discuss the problem and know there are others that feel your total frustration.. and have been there..Welcome to the site and I hope you begin to feel more at home. Please feel free to make your posts as long or as short as you like.. we welcome you in. Good luck and congratulations on this new wee one.
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Post by: kartythefirst on 23/01/2008 18:25:42
Thanks Karen I feel amazingly relieved and happy now the sleep deprivation doesn't seem so bad when you get to talk about what's doing your head in finally. sunrise in an hour it's going to be a good day hope yours is too :)
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/01/2008 18:30:17
Yes I know what you mean..Yes its the hours during the night that drive me mad... More so these days so I tend to get a bit touchy in those hours especially if I have no one to talk to, or nothing to do!I hope your day goes well. We have a brisk frozen over heavy frost, but blue skies and sunshine! Its good to see morning. Thanks.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: kartythefirst on 28/01/2008 14:09:21
hello all :) getting ready for the night shift 3rd day without sleep and avoiding the sleep meds somethings got to give sooner or later! How's everyone elses day/nights going? Karen i understand the touchy frustrated hours running out of ways to keep sane during the night sometimes I wander if taking the meds is to sleep or to escape the boredom of not knowing what to do with the spare time, I have an assignment I should be doing but the brain focus just isn't there.  It's nice and sunny and warm here in Aus at the moment, haven't been down the beach yet because of the beached whale effect being 35 weeks pregnant has but it makes for cheery days! As usual hoping the sandman visits each and everyone of you soon :)
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Post by: Misty on 29/01/2008 12:46:08
Hi everyone and welcome to Karty.

Well, I had my first reflexolgy session on Saturday and guess what - I fell asleep, deeply asleep and had to be woken at the end of it, which I wasn't happy about!!.  What a blissfully relaxing experience and to sleep at all, let alone in the middle of the day........!  I am being 'used' as a case study, so have four free sessions, after which, if the positive benefits continue (have been sleeping a few hours a night since then) I shall definitely continue with it, if only for the foot massage!!

Karty, sorry to hear of your experiences - been there myself so can empathise.

To those living in the UK,  I can recommend a herbal product called Sleepezy from Healthy Direct (am I allowed to do that?!) it's worth a try.

Regards to one and all.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 01/02/2008 06:07:56
CRAP!!!!  I'm starting to lose my sense of humor over my lack of sleep!
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/02/2008 16:50:40
hello all :) getting ready for the night shift 3rd day without sleep and avoiding the sleep meds somethings got to give sooner or later! How's everyone elses day/nights going? Karen i understand the touchy frustrated hours running out of ways to keep sane during the night sometimes I wander if taking the meds is to sleep or to escape the boredom of not knowing what to do with the spare time, I have an assignment I should be doing but the brain focus just isn't there.  It's nice and sunny and warm here in Aus at the moment, haven't been down the beach yet because of the beached whale effect being 35 weeks pregnant has but it makes for cheery days! As usual hoping the sandman visits each and everyone of you soon :)

Thanks Karty I hope your days get better soon. It is really not good three days and no sleep. Make sure you are laying down for quality rest off your feet. Lack of sleep can cause some real nastiness while pregnant so at least lie dow and take the load off for that period you both need the rest!

Hugs feel better soon and glad you at least have some beautiful cheery days to help.

It is difficult to think or occupy time.. and I know its hard to lay for hours without sleep.. but remember baby needs that rest too... even if the peepers don't close..*smiles*
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/02/2008 16:51:42
CRAP!!!!  I'm starting to lose my sense of humor over my lack of sleep!

Sorry I know how irratating that is.. I hope you were finally able to get some sleep!
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Post by: Karen W. on 25/02/2008 16:17:47
well no sleep last night... and wide awake this morning.... A million thoughts filling my head...*^*%%%*^*^(&((^*^&%*^&(*((*^*^!!!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 18/03/2008 11:44:25
 [???]

Ah Guys
Back again - well the reflexology was bliss and I benefitted from it a little in the sense that I did get a few hours sssssleep for a couple of weeks, but now back to square one and trying to keep off the sleep meds.

How come the less sleep I get the more wired up I feel?  When I was sleeping a bit, I woke feeling exhausted, but now I am back to not sleeping again, I feel fine.  Trying not to panic in the small wee hours, but when partner is snoring lightly beside me and I know I have to drive to work in a few hours, the old ticker starts to quicken a bit.

Neilip, how did the study thing go - any nearer to finding out why YOU don't sleep??

The other thing I was wondering, if it's not too personal - how many of you non-sleepers are overweight?  I am and I have been reading a lot about insomnia causing weight gain.  Interestingly I managed to lose a stone while I was sleeping, but now I am not sleeping again, I've plateaued and I've still got two stones to go.

Happy Easter to all of you - catch up soon.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 18/03/2008 14:43:13
[???]

Ah Guys
Back again - well the reflexology was bliss and I benefitted from it a little in the sense that I did get a few hours sssssleep for a couple of weeks, but now back to square one and trying to keep off the sleep meds.

How come the less sleep I get the more wired up I feel?  When I was sleeping a bit, I woke feeling exhausted, but now I am back to not sleeping again, I feel fine.  Trying not to panic in the small wee hours, but when partner is snoring lightly beside me and I know I have to drive to work in a few hours, the old ticker starts to quicken a bit.

Neilip, how did the study thing go - any nearer to finding out why YOU don't sleep??

The other thing I was wondering, if it's not too personal - how many of you non-sleepers are overweight?  I am and I have been reading a lot about insomnia causing weight gain.  Interestingly I managed to lose a stone while I was sleeping, but now I am not sleeping again, I've plateaued and I've still got two stones to go.

Happy Easter to all of you - catch up soon.


Hi Misty

*le sigh*......

This is the problem with things like acupuncture and reflexology.......if they work.........then they only work in the short term whilst undergoing the treatment.

I am so sorry to hear of your return to the world of ' night '

My study ?....funny you should mention it...I actually emailed them a couple of weeks ago as I had heard nothing.............and............I am still waiting....watch this space !!


Overweight ?....you betcha ?.......though, if this is of any interest....I had been a chronic insomniac for a full twenty years before I put the weight on !.......but that twenty years was the passage of growth from a boy to a bloke !!


If that partner of yours is making your sleep worse then ...do what wifey did toi me.....kick 'em out !!

*le sigh*
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 18/03/2008 21:00:10
[???]

Ah Guys
Back again - well the reflexology was bliss and I benefitted from it a little in the sense that I did get a few hours sssssleep for a couple of weeks, but now back to square one and trying to keep off the sleep meds.

How come the less sleep I get the more wired up I feel?  When I was sleeping a bit, I woke feeling exhausted, but now I am back to not sleeping again, I feel fine.  Trying not to panic in the small wee hours, but when partner is snoring lightly beside me and I know I have to drive to work in a few hours, the old ticker starts to quicken a bit.

Neilip, how did the study thing go - any nearer to finding out why YOU don't sleep??

The other thing I was wondering, if it's not too personal - how many of you non-sleepers are overweight?  I am and I have been reading a lot about insomnia causing weight gain.  Interestingly I managed to lose a stone while I was sleeping, but now I am not sleeping again, I've plateaued and I've still got two stones to go.

Happy Easter to all of you - catch up soon.

Yep overweight here to. I also have read tons on the effects of no sleep and weight gain.... apparently it does not allow the production of enough seratonin or something  which aid in the bodies ability to regulate weight and burn calories or something like that... Hope you get some sleep soon.

Snoring has never bothered me much.. My husband was a huge snorer... and shook the walls with his..and choking and coughing...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Misty on 19/03/2008 16:00:10
Ah Neilip...I do drift off to the spare room occasionally, but frankly, if I can't sleep, I can't sleep and partner's snoring or not snoring makes no odds!

Ah, it is a very cruel thing to be afflicted with!

I think I agree about the reflexology etc, but I will go back to it if only for the two hours perfect bliss of having my own space and someone rubbing my feet................... and it is very relaxing!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 31/03/2008 05:52:43
Hardly any sleep last night and ti's looking like the same tonight! [:(!] [:(!]
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Post by: Karen W. on 31/03/2008 07:03:15
       sorry you cant sleep. me neither.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 31/03/2008 10:44:06
Wow.. I feel really bad.
Because I doze off within about 5 minutes.. And I don't dream.. Which is great, cos dreaming makes my sleeps more tiring LOL

Aren't you really tired though? Surely you should get to sleep quicker.. Or do you not get tired?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/03/2008 20:00:25
Its getting to sleep that is hard.. I get fidgety and sometimes my legs bother me.. sometimes my thoughts(lots of times) Worry etc.. Just don't feel well sometimes sometimes to much pain to sleep. Tons of things mostly some bad memories and odds and end things I can't seem to pinpoint!

I love to dream it makes me feel more rested.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 31/03/2008 20:16:52
Sorry for you!

Dreaming is bad lol. You wake up in the morning.. Think you remember it.. Then forget it within in an hour. [:P]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/03/2008 20:31:36
I usually remember more then most.. I tend to write them down more...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/03/2008 20:32:30
Sorry for you!

Dreaming is bad lol. You wake up in the morning.. Think you remember it.. Then forget it within in an hour. [:P]
No need for being sorry.. I am fine!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 31/03/2008 20:36:40
I usually remember more then most.. I tend to write them down more...

Oh.. I don't really like dreams. Even if they are good!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/03/2008 21:19:22
I usually remember more then most.. I tend to write them down more...

Oh.. I don't really like dreams. Even if they are good!

Really????


Some of mine are tres weird! LOL.. Very mixed up and odd! LOL!! But I won't discuss that here! LOL!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 31/03/2008 21:29:18
LOL!!

Dreams just make your morning weird. You're constantly thinking what it was you dreamt!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/03/2008 21:48:50
That can happen to if you were lucky enough to have made it into that stage of sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 31/03/2008 22:02:01
LOL.. I normally don't dream though [;D]

It's alot easier that way [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 31/03/2008 22:02:53
What's annoying is...

You pick up lots of money on the floor. You wake up and it's a dream..

What's also annoying is..

Your dad has died or something in your dream, and you wake up to see it was a dream. You're thankful but your annoyed that you went through the pain in your dream.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/03/2008 22:18:27
What's annoying is...

You pick up lots of money on the floor. You wake up and it's a dream..

What's also annoying is..

Your dad has died or something in your dream, and you wake up to see it was a dream. You're thankful but your annoyed that you went through the pain in your dream.

Thats true.. I have dreams like that as an adult feelings of loss that weigh very heavy in my mind even though years have passed.. also scary dreams of experiences and traumas that I have had... sometimes you just have a hard time going to sleep because your afraid to see what your dream will bring!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 31/03/2008 22:36:56
LOL.. Naa.. I never have a hard time going to sleep because I'm afraid to see what your dream will bring..

I've always thought your dream was like your dark side.. Or an identical person to you, in a different planet.

How come we dream?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/03/2008 23:18:07
LOL LOL.. Well that is interesting way to look at it..... I think it is a relaxing thing but mostly a tool to help us understand ourselves better and untangle fears feelings and questions we have that we don't understand but maybe know the answer to if we concentrate and ponder enough about it before sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 31/03/2008 23:21:45
I don't think there is much point to it though!!
I mean it's not REAL.. Well not in OUR world.

It's just a little buggar [:P]

http://www.funpages.com/boogerworm/ (http://www.funpages.com/boogerworm/)

^^ Booger Worm song [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/03/2008 23:30:30
LOL LOL LOL LOLL..hee hee heee.... SO funny... LOL.. Thanks Seany!!! Yes you are,,, stuck on my finger... LOL!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 01/04/2008 00:18:44
LOL!! Yayyyyyyyyy!
I'm stuck on Karen's finger [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 01/04/2008 00:30:21
LOL... LOL.. Like a little worm! LOL!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 01/04/2008 15:13:18
I am there when you sneeze.. I am there when you cough..... [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 01/04/2008 22:11:17
stuck on my finger and can,t shake you off!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 01/04/2008 22:31:09
Because I...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/04/2008 03:54:42
taste like a booger but look like a worm.. I bet you never seen a booger that......
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 03/04/2008 11:11:48
taste like a booger
but i look like a worm
and i bet you never seen a
booger that could squirm
I'll be here when you sneeze
I'll be here when you cough
'cuz I'm stuck on your finger
and you can't shake me off..

Be-Cause-I...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/04/2008 19:58:35
think that is a cute song!! Lol!!!!! Thanks Seany!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 03/04/2008 21:09:06
LOL LOL..
It's kind of in my head now!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/04/2008 21:23:23
Yeah mine too!LOL!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 03/04/2008 21:28:02
Gwrr.. Stupid worm!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/04/2008 21:39:23
nawww not stupid..Smart!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 03/04/2008 21:40:40
Smart worm [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/04/2008 21:49:57
yepperoo. Did you sleep well last night?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 03/04/2008 22:21:28
Sure did!!
I wish I had a lie in.. My mum keeps waking me up at 10:00am!!
Yes, I know it's quite late.. But I need one of those lie-ins!! [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/04/2008 23:15:32
Yeah sleeping in is great!  I wish it had done that for me years ago...maybe I wouldn't be so darn tired all the time..! Like now... Me needs to lay down a spell..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 03/04/2008 23:18:43
Have a nap Karen [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 03/04/2008 23:49:44
Yes I will.. Night Seany!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 04/04/2008 05:22:50
C R A P !!!


Too much on my mind to sleep!

Why is it that everytime I have to make a long drive out of town I can't sleep the night before???
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 04/04/2008 08:56:28
Maybe the long drive out of town scares ya! [???]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 04/04/2008 18:03:52
If I'm doing a show in a place I've never been before, I can't sleep. It is called worrying about the unknown. I do it all the time but that is because I hate travel of any kind. I'm off to Japan next week and I can't wait to get there but travelling there yuk! I'm not afraid of flying or anything it is just the upheaval. 
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 04/04/2008 20:28:19
C R A P !!!


Too much on my mind to sleep!

Why is it that everytime I have to make a long drive out of town I can't sleep the night before???

Ah don't worry.. I hope you all have fun on your vacations!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 04/04/2008 21:40:53
C R A P !!!


Too much on my mind to sleep!

Why is it that everytime I have to make a long drive out of town I can't sleep the night before???

Ah don't worry.. I hope you all have fun on your vacations!!

Sadly, I'm not on vacation.  I just had to drive into the big city to pick up equipment for hubby.  I'm back home now.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 04/04/2008 21:42:30
If I'm doing a show in a place I've never been before, I can't sleep. It is called worrying about the unknown. I do it all the time but that is because I hate travel of any kind. I'm off to Japan next week and I can't wait to get there but travelling there yuk! I'm not afraid of flying or anything it is just the upheaval. 
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Nicholas will be sooooo jealous!  That's where he's always wanted to go.  He's even trying to learn to speak japanese.  Hope you have a great time!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 04/04/2008 23:38:20
He should go out and teach English as a foreign language for a year. Go to a company where you just teach adults. I did that when I was 21. It is a really safe country and a great place to learn some life skills after your degree is over and before you go out and do something boring like normal work.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Seany on 06/04/2008 13:31:01
How come some mornings I am very tired.. And some mornings I am not??

Even though I got the same hours sleep?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 06/04/2008 18:24:18
He should go out and teach English as a foreign language for a year. Go to a company where you just teach adults. I did that when I was 21. It is a really safe country and a great place to learn some life skills after your degree is over and before you go out and do something boring like normal work.

Thats a great idea!  He would probably love that and would be great at it, but he's only 14 so I get to keep him for a while longer. 
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 06/04/2008 20:32:32
Savour it, I'm savouring mine.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: i am bored on 07/04/2008 03:14:03
If I'm doing a show in a place I've never been before, I can't sleep. It is called worrying about the unknown. I do it all the time but that is because I hate travel of any kind. I'm off to Japan next week and I can't wait to get there but travelling there yuk! I'm not afraid of flying or anything it is just the upheaval. 
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Nicholas will be sooooo jealous!  That's where he's always wanted to go.  He's even trying to learn to speak japanese.  Hope you have a great time!

boku hoshigarimasu dekiru rainichi......or  in english i want very badly to come to japan, im using a online transltor. its not that good
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 14/04/2008 05:30:20
12:30.  Have to get up early.  Hurting too much to sleep! [:(!]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/04/2008 07:41:43
I am sorry.. I have been in that mode for several days...I hope it gets better soon..
Hey thats one of the things she said.. our sleep will be disturbed.. or unsatisfactory.. one of the sites says insomnia.. also..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 15/04/2008 05:33:04
UGH!!  Here we go again! [V] [|)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/04/2008 05:49:06
OH.. SORRY ...WISH YOU HAD MY NAP.. I finally fell asleep this afternoon and into the early vening... I just can't remember when I nodded off.. I think 3:30 pm or so....woke up about 6:30 give or take anbout sd min  I was so groggy.. I cannot remember ..get some sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 15/04/2008 05:56:14
OH.. SORRY ...WISH YOU HAD MY NAP.. I finally fell asleep this afternoon and into the early vening... I just can't remember when I nodded off.. I think 3:30 pm or so....woke up about 6:30 give or take anbout sd min  I was so groggy.. I cannot remember ..get some sleep!

Wish I could get some sleep.  I'm afraid it's not happening tonight.  Pain is too much and I'm out of pain pills.  Taken 1600 mg of ibuprofen since 9 and it's not helping at all. 
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/04/2008 06:19:53
Wow.. thats alot.. sorry. it has not worked yet..... have you ever had to take something called Generic, "Norco", (Mallinkrodt/APAP) 10mg/325mg?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 15/04/2008 15:54:36
I don't think so.  Vicodin is what I've been taking, but only when it's very very bad.  Unfortunately I'm out though and have no refills.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/04/2008 20:16:22
I want to say this is a stronger form of Vicodin It is way potent..... I had one in th hospital  Saturday when I was in.. it was really strong and he prescribed them over my others... I haven't taken them because I went in to have them fix the problem and stop throwing pain pills at it!!!  I hate pills!  I am sorry you are hurting too. is it any better today?
Norco is a Hydrocodone Tylenol mix.. 10mg Hydrocodone instead of 5mg. ( Vicodin) so its stronger in the Hydrocodone portion and the Tylenol is cut down from 500mg to 325 mg.They just call the upped version Norco.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 15/04/2008 21:01:56
No, it's not better today unfortunately.  I'm having a real bad time of it right now, but I think it's because it's been cold here the last few days.  I'm sure it'll be better soon.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/04/2008 22:44:37
Thats not good. I wish it was not hurting.. Sending you hugs and sympathy for your pain. feel better soon.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 16/04/2008 00:18:12
Thank you Karen.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 16/04/2008 03:48:30
Your welcome!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 18/04/2008 05:53:18
UGHHH!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 19/04/2008 01:18:49
I've taken Nitrazepam !!

Yayy !!..........*le Zzzzzzzzzzzzz*
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 19/04/2008 01:25:41
I've taken Nitrazepam !!

Yayy !!..........*le Zzzzzzzzzzzzz*

Could ya send one (or 12) my way? [;)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 19/04/2008 01:31:54
I've taken Nitrazepam !!

Yayy !!..........*le Zzzzzzzzzzzzz*


Could ya send one (or 12) my way? [;)]

Ewe mean....give up my preshussssss ?

Oh I dont know...we can'ts be geeving up our preshusssss !!
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Post by: Carolyn on 19/04/2008 01:33:51
*sulks* [;)]
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/04/2008 19:27:54
can't sleep...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 24/04/2008 19:32:25
Sorry. [:-\]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 24/04/2008 19:35:37
you sleeping yet?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 24/04/2008 19:51:52
Yes, I finally got some.  I managed about 8 hours 4 nights ago, then did pretty good the next night.  Last night I only got a few though.  I'm crossing my fingers that can tonight.  Nic and I are going to Georgia tomorrow after school and I don't want to have to drive while I'm sleepy.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 24/04/2008 20:32:42
I am glad you got a little sleep. I dosed off a couple times but just have to many things in my head to sleep good. I am trying...Though..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 02/05/2008 13:36:04
5:30 AM..... no sleep....  hope you all got some last night... pretty day will help revive me.....LoL!

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 06/05/2008 06:06:20
Wish I could sleep!!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/05/2008 08:11:42
Me too.. I can't sleep either.... got all out of wack sleeping during the day away yesterday now I am wide awake!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 16/05/2008 01:51:55
I'm enjoying the first effects of Nitrazepam......
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 16/05/2008 02:09:34
GOOD, I am happy you will get some sleep Sheepy!

Night you!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 01/06/2008 06:55:12
Almost 2 am, sleep doesn't appear to be anywhere in sight!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: sleepy2008 on 01/06/2008 20:52:34
Hi there, I am new to this forum but having read the posts it is good to feel that I am not alone with this awful insomnia!

I have been experiencing insomna for the past few months and am really struggling to put a brve face on it all. I have been off work for 2 weeks also as I have ot had the strength to go in with no sleep / 2 hours sleep max per night. I just can't concentrate!

The trouble is I feel so anxious in the hours leading up to bedtime and then in bed I lie with my heart racing for hours and often all night. Does anyone else have this problem at all?

I look forward to meeting new people on here who are in the same boat as me and can share their experiences!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 16/06/2008 05:17:58
Third night without sleep, too much pain.  I managed about 40 minutes this morning.  The last time I looked at the clock was 7:02, bjut then my ******* husband woke me up at 7:40 and i couldnt to back to sleep! Hands are shaking and it's taking me forever to type!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 16/06/2008 07:14:03
Hi there, I am new to this forum but having read the posts it is good to feel that I am not alone with this awful insomnia!

I have been experiencing insomna for the past few months and am really struggling to put a brve face on it all. I have been off work for 2 weeks also as I have ot had the strength to go in with no sleep / 2 hours sleep max per night. I just can't concentrate!

The trouble is I feel so anxious in the hours leading up to bedtime and then in bed I lie with my heart racing for hours and often all night. Does anyone else have this problem at all?

I look forward to meeting new people on here who are in the same boat as me and can share their experiences!

Well welcome to the forum and I hope you will stick around. I have had many nights of that kind of sleep problems and have been dealing with it for a long time.. Neil above has had ensomnia since he was a small boy... He is a good reference to seeking other help.

I found out last August that I have Sleep Apnea although  the machine helps once I am able to relax to sleep I still spend many a night up not sleeping because I can't get to sleep to use the machine to help me stay asleep.. Have been ill and medicated so as of late have been getting sleep at all kinds of odd hours and sometimes too much.

I do know how hard it is.. It is terrible and its easy to loose track of things like days etc..

Good luck to you come again and enjoy the forum!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 16/06/2008 07:15:06
Third night without sleep, too much pain.  I managed about 40 minutes this morning.  The last time I looked at the clock was 7:02, bjut then my ******* husband woke me up at 7:40 and i couldnt to back to sleep! Hands are shaking and it's taking me forever to type!

Sorry you aren't sleeping Carolyn and that your pain is so bad.. Please feel better soon.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 16/06/2008 16:37:22
Thanks Karen.  I managed almost 4 hours last night, so I guess I should stop complaining.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 17/06/2008 01:49:09
glad to hear. rest well tonight!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 17/06/2008 06:26:17
CRUD !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 17/06/2008 07:00:04
sorry you can't sleep Sheepy! Me too.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 17/06/2008 12:44:54
I'm awake most morning/nights...just don't report it as often as I used to.


Hope you managed some zzzzzzs Kareny mam !
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 17/06/2008 14:25:09
Yeah.. I am sorry about that.. wish you would finally be able to relax and close your eyes and sleep!
Thanks kind Sir but I am still awake ... just was not in the cards had to many crazy things running through my head..Lol... Just could not concentrate on sleep last night.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 21/06/2008 05:58:24
C   R   A   P !!!



Only 1 am, but I can tell it's gonna be a long night!  Tried going to bed a few hours ago, but only tossed and turned.  Ending up waking hubby and ticking him off, soooooo here i sit! [xx(]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 25/06/2008 07:20:00
sorry about that and tonights upheaval...rest.. though..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 20/07/2008 06:43:25
Ugh!

.........almost 2 am. [xx(]
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Post by: Carolyn on 20/07/2008 09:43:14
....almost 5 am and still no closer! [xx(]
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Post by: Karen W. on 20/07/2008 11:16:13
Thats the pits.. Me is in your boat tonight its kinda warm and sticky tonight here! Hope you get to sleep soon.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 20/07/2008 19:05:39
Thanks Karen.  I finally drifted off sometime around 7:30.  At 7:45 my phone started ringing with people begging hubby to come repair their air conditioners.  Maybe I'll get some tonight.

Hope it cools off and that you get some rest soon too.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 20/07/2008 20:00:47
Thanks None yet.. I am hoping for tonight also.. feel like death warmed over today!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 24/08/2008 06:42:47
Well does anyone here ever have trouble with restless leg syndrome.. I have had several bouts of it over the last few weeks which is more then usual for me.. usually once or twice a month.. but many times this month already.. seems worse then usual.. not as intense and hard to stop but many more incidents then usual keeping me wake nights!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 25/08/2008 05:46:24
Almost 1 and can't sleep again!  Wish I had a sleeping pill. [:(!]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 27/08/2008 05:16:31
CRAP, CRUD AND SHOOT! 

I'm burning up and cant sleep again!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 29/08/2008 07:07:48
Me too its 90 degrees and its miserable here too!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 29/08/2008 13:15:45
Well it has cooled way down outside finally and it is clear as a Bell outside! It will be hot as blazes again today!!!

Nice thing is I was outside at 4:30 AM trying to get cooled off and what a beautiful site.. There were millions of stars out so bright and clear.. so beautiful! OH my I see it all the time but it never fails to astound me how pretty the night sky is. The dippers were so clear and all the others too.. there was not a cloud to be seen.. no fog no overcast sky, just clear beautiful sparkling glittery skies for as far as the eye could see! Gorgeous!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Don_1 on 29/08/2008 17:50:13
I went to an insomniacs support meeting a while ago, dunno what went on there, so I can't pass on any tips, it was so boring I fell asleep.  [:o)]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/08/2008 01:55:01
Thats very funny! LOL..
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Post by: neilep on 30/08/2008 01:58:24
15Mg of Nitrazepam......

...nice !

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 30/08/2008 02:21:38
Yes send me some... sleep good Neily!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 05/09/2008 05:14:27
I soooo wish I could sleep!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 08/09/2008 01:29:12
Hi.... I'm Neil,

And I've just taken some Nitrazepam...this means I will soon be non-coherent !!

*le joy*
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 08/09/2008 01:35:04
Hi....I'm Carolyn,

I wish I had some Nitrazepam to take........although I'm pretty non-coherent without it!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 08/09/2008 01:36:19
Hi I'm Neil,

Nitrazepam is banned in the USA !!......this is because I have it all !!

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 08/09/2008 01:54:23
Hi, I'm Carolyn.

I know it's banned here......still wish I had some!   [:-\]


Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 08/09/2008 01:55:17
......but I do hope it helps you get some rest tonight.  I'll make due with my Melatonin.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 08/09/2008 01:59:07
Hi I'm still Neil,

but am a bit wooozie !!.....I think I know what it's like to be a jelly fish !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/09/2008 03:24:40
Hi I'm me.. Hope you wriggle yourself to Sleep Jellie fish! Night Night!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: chemtester on 14/09/2008 22:31:26
Has anyone tried Unisom?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 14/09/2008 23:06:46
Isn't that an over the counter one... I do not take sleep aides if I can help it!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 15/09/2008 03:04:13
Haven't had more than a few hours since Thursday, now I',m too tired to sleep.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/09/2008 03:13:05
Sorry I finally got 4 or 5 hours today.. feel some better but still tired.. I hope you are able to resolve your sleep tonight!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 15/09/2008 03:15:42
Thanks.  Hopefully now that I'm back home I can.

Glad you got some rest today.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/09/2008 03:22:59
Thanks.. Good luck to you... I ended up not mowing again I was too mad so I picked Himalayan Black Berries from the briars and now have tons of luscious berries!! I have millions of berries need to make Jam ..... or something! Fruit smoothies are good too!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/09/2008 03:40:13
check out these lovelies!

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Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 15/09/2008 09:21:28
Blackberries... blackberries 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, counting Black Berries.... Still awake and more blackberries in my head!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 18/09/2008 00:29:08
I have just come back from the pub. Husband in Boston. Nothing to go to bed for. Eyes popping out of head with tiredness. Can't be arsed to go upstairs and go to sleep, I will probably wake up at 4.30 as usual and then not be able to drop off again. Up at 6.45 to start the school runs. I need a holiday.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 18/09/2008 02:27:30
Those berries look nice !

i'd like to jump in a big vat of them and get all gloopy !!
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Post by: neilep on 18/09/2008 02:55:04
It's lonely this time of night ! (http://bestsmileys.com/sad/8.gif)
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Post by: Carolyn on 18/09/2008 03:05:13
Awwww, sorry you're not snoozing.  It's lonely here too and it's only 10!
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Post by: Karen W. on 18/09/2008 06:25:58
Those berries look nice !

i'd like to jump in a big vat of them and get all gloopy !!

Sheepy they are all yours! I have gallons and gallons of them.. I have been off line most of this day dealing with berries.. They are coming out of my ears! My fingers were stained black for two days and still can't get the stain out from under my fingernails on my thumb middle finger and pointer of my right hand! LOL!

Hey Sheepy My Nate will be coming home Tomorrow night ! YEAH!!!!!! Going to meet the plane at 9:50 PM....YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! I miss the little terd!
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Post by: Karen W. on 18/09/2008 07:52:38
I have just come back from the pub. Husband in Boston. Nothing to go to bed for. Eyes popping out of head with tiredness. Can't be arsed to go upstairs and go to sleep, I will probably wake up at 4.30 as usual and then not be able to drop off again. Up at 6.45 to start the school runs. I need a holiday.

Me too.. where do YOU want to go? LOL
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Post by: Make it Lady on 19/09/2008 18:02:04
Are you getting fruity with Karen again, I'm jealous!
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I was going to put the berries quote that neilep made but it all went horribly wrong!!!!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 19/09/2008 18:07:53
I have just come back from the pub. Husband in Boston. Nothing to go to bed for. Eyes popping out of head with tiredness. Can't be arsed to go upstairs and go to sleep, I will probably wake up at 4.30 as usual and then not be able to drop off again. Up at 6.45 to start the school runs. I need a holiday.

Me too.. where do YOU want to go? LOL
I'm going to Bermuda at half term. David won a weeks holiday there at work. Second honeymoon so perhaps I still wont get much sleep!
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Post by: Karen W. on 19/09/2008 18:51:37
That sounds wonderful! I hope you both have the time of your life and create lots of wonderful memories to share for a long time to come!
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Post by: Carolyn on 22/09/2008 05:59:29
It's 1 am, can't sleep.  Supposed to do something tomorrow that I don't want to do and I can't get it off my mind!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 22/09/2008 22:07:40
Guess what ?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 22/09/2008 22:27:36
What?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 22/09/2008 22:47:02
I'm sick again!!! I have a very bad cold and an ear infection. I can't sleep because my nose is doing a tap (faucit) impression and my ear keeps crackling. Boo Hoo!
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Post by: neilep on 22/09/2008 22:48:52
I'm sick again!!! I have a very bad cold and an ear infection. I can't sleep because my nose is doing a tap (faucit) impression and my ear keeps crackling. Boo Hoo!

awwwww...poor ewe !!


wish ewe better !!...ewe need a pint of sherry and a hot water bottle and a thing that buzzes to cheer ewe up !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 22/09/2008 22:51:01
What?

well.....I'm being interviewed tomorrow for a whole page article in the Guardians Sunday magazine !!




*please form orderely queue for this soon to be  'A ' List sheep celeb*
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2008 23:02:40
Congrats sheepy!
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Post by: neilep on 22/09/2008 23:05:58
Congrats sheepy!

Thanks Karen !
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/09/2008 01:51:05
Welcome.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 23/09/2008 22:21:22
What?

well.....I'm being interviewed tomorrow for a whole page article in the Guardians Sunday magazine !!




*please form orderely queue for this soon to be  'A ' List sheep celeb*

Sheepy whats your interview for this time?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 24/09/2008 02:01:46
What?

well.....I'm being interviewed tomorrow for a whole page article in the Guardians Sunday magazine !!




*please form orderely queue for this soon to be  'A ' List sheep celeb*

Sheepy whats your interview for this time?

My life as a chronic insomniac !...I spent 90 minutes on the phone today , then they will send a photographer and It'll be a full page article....It will also be avilable n the net but wonlt be published for  a few weeks yet !
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Post by: Carolyn on 24/09/2008 02:15:15
Hope you remember us mere mortals when you become a famous celebrity insomniac.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 24/09/2008 07:13:33
What?



well.....I'm being interviewed tomorrow for a whole page article in the Guardians Sunday magazine !!




*please form orderely queue for this soon to be  'A ' List sheep celeb*

Sheepy whats your interview for this time?

My life as a chronic insomniac !...I spent 90 minutes on the phone today , then they will send a photographer and It'll be a full page article....It will also be avilable n the net but wonlt be published for  a few weeks yet !


Yayyyyy Sheepy! Maybe it will trigger some good new therapies or such...

Hell Carolyn He'll never forget us.. How could he??? LOL!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 25/09/2008 01:01:57
*From The Desk Of Sheepy*


Celebrity status has demanded that for now, Mr Sheepy's posts in this thread will be written by his personal assistant before being authorised by his agent. Sheepy is currently away opening a new convenience store and will then be fastracked via first class to No 47b, Station Road, where he will cut the ribbon to open  Mr & Mrs Jones's new cat flap for the their cat Reginald.

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 25/09/2008 01:08:56
LOL LOL.. Thats very good Sheepy! LOL...Good luck with that new store!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Don_1 on 25/09/2008 11:29:53
A report out today suggests that a meal of lettuce and turkey a few hours before bed can help you sleep.

Personally I find a few pints or a whiff of the barmaid's apron does the trick for me.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 29/09/2008 23:23:17
Get off my apron you drunken fool!
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Post by: Make it Lady on 29/09/2008 23:26:21
Well tonight I daren't go to bed because there is a strange fly like creature in my bedroom. It is long thin and brown. As I am really allergic to fly bites I'm shakin' in my boots. Could someone come around and remove it for me so I can go to bed. Last time a horse fly bit me I couldn't walk for three days eeeeeeeek!
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Post by: turnipsock on 30/09/2008 01:42:48
A report out today suggests that a meal of lettuce and turkey a few hours before bed can help you sleep.

Personally I find a few pints or a whiff of the barmaid's apron does the trick for me.

You'll suffer from Brewer's Insomnia if you do that. You will be out like a light at bedtime but the B6 will kick in and you'll be wide awake at 4am.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Don_1 on 30/09/2008 17:06:22
A report out today suggests that a meal of lettuce and turkey a few hours before bed can help you sleep.

Personally I find a few pints or a whiff of the barmaid's apron does the trick for me.

You'll suffer from Brewer's Insomnia if you do that. You will be out like a light at bedtime but the B6 will kick in and you'll be wide awake at 4am.

No, no, no. You don't understand, it's not the booze or the sampling of the aroma of the barmaid's apron that puts me to sleep, it's the wack on the bonce with a frying pan, or whatever comes to hand, from the wife when she finds out!!! (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/violent001.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 01/10/2008 06:47:30
Hope all is well and all us insomniacs get some much needed sleep!
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Post by: neilep on 01/10/2008 13:10:04
*from the desk of Sheepy*

Sheepy would like ewe all to know that the Guardian people are coming round his gaff tomorrow to take photos for the article he will be in.

Sheepy will be autographing crude black and white copies of his photos outside the all night kebab shop , 36 Station Road, Putney between 3am to 5am**. Photos will only cost £100 each and will be presented in a frame made from air and in a bag**...






** Sheepy will not be there. Please feel behind the drain pipe that smells like wee-wee and puke for your photo and leave your money with Stavros in the kebab shop**
** Bag not included !

** Entry to the kebab shop costs £30
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Don_1 on 01/10/2008 14:33:16
Wow, bargin at twice the price and I can get a greasy kebab into the bargin.

Form a que behind me please, I'm first. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/excited001.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
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Post by: Karen W. on 01/10/2008 17:13:45
2nd.. LOL....  Oh Sheepy...you said you would be there signing autographs on your photo.. Now you say you won't be there..!!!! Well I never!!!! LOL...Lol.

Do you have Sheepy doubles for these special events??? LOL....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 02/10/2008 18:27:29
Yes his name is Al Pacca!
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Post by: neilep on 06/10/2008 02:41:20
Wow, bargin at twice the price and I can get a greasy kebab into the bargin.

Form a que behind me please, I'm first. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/excited001.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Do ewe want chilli sauce with that ?**




** Chilli sauce costs £20 a dollop (comes with a free enema DIY Kit !)
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Post by: neilep on 06/10/2008 02:48:08
2nd.. LOL....  Oh Sheepy...you said you would be there signing autographs on your photo.. Now you say you won't be there..!!!! Well I never!!!! LOL...Lol.

Do you have Sheepy doubles for these special events??? LOL....

From the Desk Of Sheepy

Sheepy can't enter into personal correspondence until he completes the ' Diva ' fit he is having. He insists that all red M & M's be painted with a rendering of Botticellis' Birth of Venus !...and until that has happened he will remain in a tiff !

For your guidance though, the fact that he said he will be there should suffice that particular locale with enuff sheepy joy that it'll become the Lourdes of London !..please feel free to annually...nay, weekly pilgrimage there !
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Post by: neilep on 06/10/2008 02:49:32
Yes his name is Al Pacca!

But I do all my own stunts !
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Post by: Make it Lady on 06/10/2008 21:53:58
I have just managed to paint the girth of p***s on an M&M. I started off painting Venus but you know how confused I am.

When will you be in the Guardian so I can buy it. Please keep us up-to-date.

I would not advertise the guardian as JimBob will ban you. He is going power man and laughing in a demonic mannor as we speak.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 07/10/2008 00:21:51
I have just managed to paint the girth of p***s on an M&M. I started off painting Venus but you know how confused I am.

When will you be in the Guardian so I can buy it. Please keep us up-to-date.

I would not advertise the guardian as JimBob will ban you. He is going power man and laughing in a demonic mannor as we speak.


From The Desk Of Sheepy


Sheepy sends his regards and accepts that a penile orientated M&M will do !..though, as a blokey sheep, he may well find it hard to swallow !....gulp !  (yeuch....someone has been eating asparagus ? [::)] )

Erhmmm....The edition is due for publication on October 26th..that's a Sunday...He will have to buy it too cos the Guardian won't even send him a copy ! *le figgin sulk*

This means sheepy may have to get up early on a Sunday and actually go buy a paper !...Ah !!..except that he'll be exhibiting at a wedding fayre so the wifey of sheepy wil have to get it instead ! [:)]
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Post by: Make it Lady on 07/10/2008 18:42:18
I'm going to be on my second honeymoon then. Perhaps mumzie will get it espesially. I'm glad you like the M&M.
I think we should all write letters to the Guardian once you have appeared saying how wonderful you are and how we would like you to be a regular columnist. I bet you would like your own column. I've got one and it is great for putting under the litter tray and for wrapping chips.
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Post by: UCB Psychology Clinic on 08/10/2008 02:01:22
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Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 08/10/2008 11:05:57
I'm going to be on my second honeymoon then. Perhaps mumzie will get it espesially. I'm glad you like the M&M.
I think we should all write letters to the Guardian once you have appeared saying how wonderful you are and how we would like you to be a regular columnist. I bet you would like your own column. I've got one and it is great for putting under the litter tray and for wrapping chips.


Thank Ewe Mam, yes, I would love my own column and every morning I'm proud to notice my own... [;)]......though, I love the idea of a regular column in the Guardian...Gosh, I might even earn a penny or two !...always wanted to find a way to capitalize on my insomnia !
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Post by: Karen W. on 09/10/2008 11:36:19
Well No sleep tonight.. 3:35 am wide awake!

Will Somebody sing me a song and rub my head and back!!!... LOL
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Post by: Make it Lady on 09/10/2008 17:55:49
Karen we must be like ships in the night. I can usually fall asleep but I wake up about 3:35am and don't get back to sleep again. I do a trot to the loo but I still don't drop off again. Annoying hey!
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Post by: Carolyn on 20/10/2008 09:40:20
Ugh!  I hate this!  4:38 and still cannot sleep.  No sleep last night and only a few hours the night before. 

My head feels like its going to explode! [:-'(]
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Post by: Carolyn on 24/10/2008 08:16:08
Ho hum....3:15am [V]
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/10/2008 10:30:44
Ugh!  I hate this!  4:38 and still cannot sleep.  No sleep last night and only a few hours the night before. 

My head feels like its going to explode! [:-'(]

I hate that feeling!
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/10/2008 10:31:50
Ho hum....3:15am [V]

Sorry you are not sleeping again... Sending you nice sleep wishes to sooth you to sleep!
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Post by: Carolyn on 24/10/2008 22:52:52
Thanks Karen.
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/10/2008 23:01:45
anytime.. Did you get some sleep?
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Post by: Carolyn on 24/10/2008 23:05:21
I drifted off sometime around 5:30 this morning....then I had to be up at 6:30 to get Nic up and out for school and I couldn't go back to sleep.  I'm starting to drag now.
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/10/2008 23:08:24
OOOOOOH Thats not good I hope you make it.. are you trying to stay awake for sleep later tonight? I hope you get some.. It is awful to get all punchy and certainly be careful... if not don't drive at all.. I know that exploding head thing it feels terrible!
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Post by: Carolyn on 24/10/2008 23:12:37
I was on the road all day long.  I was driving to meet a friend in another town a few hours away and there was a wreck on the interstate and I was stuck for over 3 hours there!  I missed my friend.

I'm trying to stay awake for a while longer.  I have to drop Nic off at the football game and then pick him up, so I'm still up for awhile.  Fortunately the school is only 2 miles away so I won't have to drive far.
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Post by: Karen W. on 24/10/2008 23:21:01
Well be careful. Sorry bout the wreck and I hope everyone was OK.

Get some sleep when you can and feel better soon.
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Post by: Carolyn on 26/10/2008 09:10:34
5 am!!!

I HATE THIS!
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Post by: neilep on 28/10/2008 22:59:54
If anyone is interested, tommorrow at 9:30am (UK time) I'm due to be interviewed live on air by this bloke on his radio show http://newstalk.ie/newstalk/programmes/32/tom-dunne.html

I think you can listen online !..I won't be able to as I will be finding a way to stay awake !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/10/2008 23:43:17
Cool Neily Will this be in a couple hours or for us here California..will be 1:30 am our time but you guys already fell back an hour so that will actually be12:30 am our time as we don't go back until next Saturday!
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Post by: neilep on 29/10/2008 09:10:28
Cool Neily Will this be in a couple hours or for us here California..will be 1:30 am our time but you guys already fell back an hour so that will actually be12:30 am our time as we don't go back until next Saturday!

Kareny Mam,

I don't know...it's now just after 9am here, so are you guys really 9 hours behind ?....Man , I'm shattered, been awake since Monday morning so that'll make it nice and sincere !
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Post by: neilep on 29/10/2008 09:52:00
well, that was fun !
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/10/2008 10:00:33
well, that was fun !

Neily.. they dopped the feed right when he asked about your past relationships....... I am so mad... they better offer it up on a podcast thing... cause they dropped the feed...or at least the server went down...in the middle...
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/10/2008 10:15:19
hey you sounded great.. right up till the Sudden link went down... I can get on the phone but no computer yet!!! maybe they will replay itor we can hear it again online....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 02/11/2008 20:47:05
Did you see Neil with his big radiator in the Guardian Magazine. He has not boasted about it but it is a very good article about Insomnia. I only had it for two years when I was a teenager and it nearly killed me so Neil is a hero to live with it for 37 years.
Neil love, I'm sure you've tried everything but what about Budhist meditation? I know now why I had Insomnia. Mine was three reasons coming together at once. It is such a complex thing that usually has no one reason. It still may go Neil. I know you are resigned to it but don't give up on one day being cured.
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Post by: neilep on 02/11/2008 20:55:05
hey you sounded great.. right up till the Sudden link went down... I can get on the phone but no computer yet!!! maybe they will replay itor we can hear it again online....

Thanks Karen.. glass what you heard sounded Ok...I only caught 5 seconds of it myself....when I placed the phone down I suddenly remembered the time delay, so I quickly turned the volume up on the pc to hear myself say ' goodbye ' to myself !..lol
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/11/2008 20:58:24
Did you see Neil with his big radiator in the Guardian Magazine. He has not boasted about it but it is a very good article about Insomnia. I only had it for two years when I was a teenager and it nearly killed me so Neil is a hero to live with it for 37 years.
Neil love, I'm sure you've tried everything but what about Budhist meditation? I know now why I had Insomnia. Mine was three reasons coming together at once. It is such a complex thing that usually has no one reason. It still may go Neil. I know you are resigned to it but don't give up on one day being cured.

Thanks Shaz !...It really means a lot to know you liked the article !.I have to say, they got a few things wrong !..it's not wifey who snores it's me..and thus I wake her and she then wakes me..and that's when I get ever so slightly pissed off !

Buddhist meditation eh ?..nope never tried it...have tried mediation per se, and yoga...but, I am willing to try anything...I suspect a book beckons and then perchance a class or two.

Next Article will be in BEST magazine  by the way !
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/11/2008 21:00:12
Perhaps I should try abseiling my radiator !...could be quite a trip !..enough to make me tired !  [;)]
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Post by: Carolyn on 02/11/2008 21:34:27
I happened to be up at 5:30 and was able to catch the radio interview.  You did a great job...especially enjoyed the swinging comment at the end. [;D]

The article in the Guardian was also very good and informative.  Sharon is right...you are a hero to be able to cope with it.  I nearly go mad when I have my bouts of insomnia.  Still hoping that one day you will be cured.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 02/11/2008 23:26:49
What radio interview. I've been in Bermuda, riding Segways etc so missed that one.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 02/11/2008 23:27:28
Found it!
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Post by: neilep on 02/11/2008 23:37:04
Found it!

I'd rather be riding seqways in Bermuda too !..You most certainly had a lot more fun !
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/11/2008 05:17:03
hey you sounded great.. right up till the Sudden link went down... I can get on the phone but no computer yet!!! maybe they will replay it or we can hear it again online....

Thanks Karen.. glass what you heard sounded Ok...I only caught 5 seconds of it myself....when I placed the phone down I suddenly remembered the time delay, so I quickly turned the volume up on the pc to hear myself say ' goodbye ' to myself !..lol

it was clear enough nice sound.. then my server dropped the load!!! Sorry I did not get to hear the rest.. but I am quite sure you did beautifully....! I really hope someone is able to help you soon.. good luck to you..
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/11/2008 05:45:25
Cool Neily Will this be in a couple hours or for us here California..will be 1:30 am our time but you guys already fell back an hour so that will actually be12:30 am our time as we don't go back until next Saturday!

Kareny Mam,

I don't know...it's now just after 9am here, so are you guys really 9 hours behind ?....Man , I'm shattered, been awake since Monday morning so that'll make it nice and sincere !

Yes on that day we were 9 hours behind.. but we just now turned our clocks back last Saturday night so now we are back at 8 hours behind you! In California here anyway!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 08/11/2008 18:45:14
Slept really well last night (mainly due to alcohol) but my husbands friend who actually likes getting up early phoned us at 7.30am. It is Saturday morning for god sake, what is wrong with him? My husband, sleeping off jetlag was really impressed. I think I will phone him at 1.30am and say "Oh were you asleep, I'm always up at this time. I thought everyone shared my sleep patterns."
PRAT!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2008 20:06:20
Sorry you were woken so early from a good sleep! I hope tonight gives you another good night!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Make it Lady on 09/11/2008 20:08:49
The Observer Magazine is advertising a box that shines a moving blue light onto your ceiling and claims it is a cure for insomnia. Does it work? It is at www.nightwave.co.uk I think. I'm not suggesting anyone buys it. I'm not spamming and I don't own shares in it honest!!!!!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: John21 on 11/11/2008 21:45:19
Hello fellow insomniacs. I am a 40 year old male and have had sleep maintenance insomnia for approx 12 years now. It is much better than it used to be, I used to be on sleeping pills in order to get back to sleep but finally I got off the meds. Now I usually get back to sleep after waking, but not always that well, I often feel quite poorly when I don't get enough sleep.

Neilep, I just read your story in the Guardian, I am sorry to hear how bad you have had it. I'm glad to hear you have managed family and work life around it.

I am wondering, has anyone tried that idea suggested at the beginning of this thread concerning sleeping with the body tilted? It sounds interesting, but has it worked for anyone?
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Post by: Carolyn on 12/11/2008 09:17:41
Ughhhh!!!  I'm in South Florida this week for a class.  It's 4:15 am and I cannot sleep again!  I havent' had more than a 3 or 4 hours in a night since I got here last Friday!  It's making it very difficult to concentrate and stay awake in class! D*#^@!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 25/11/2008 12:20:52
My chest is hurting like crazy...and I can,t sleep!
Just don't feel tired!  hungry though oh well be breakfast time soon.....
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Post by: Karen W. on 26/11/2008 04:07:01
Still wide awake.. laid in bed for hours last night just like this... tired but no sleep... did not feel sleepy even after staying in bed most all nght... took pictures of Rocky sleeping by me this morning.. but still with his lovely snoring to lull me too sleep..I still could not sleep...!

Don't know what to do.. thinking of painting my hallway if I can.....and the batroom!! Lol..

 someting productive..I hope!

Hope you all sleep well tonight!
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/12/2008 11:19:12
Hi All.. Finished all my hospital rounds today physical therapy some electric muscle stimulation and heat therapy and came home and crashed for the remainder of the day!.. Now I can't sleep and its because I am just not tired anymore tonight!

I hate that when they turn that stuff up to high it makes my hip and leg jump up off the table before he turns it down.. makes my chest hurt and gets my nerves on edge... Not good...

 Has anyone else ever had that used to treat pain in the joints and muscles for hip problems?

Anyway.. I can't sleep.. Millions of things in my head.. I need to do tons of stuff in the next couple weeks that will last for many years.... hoping to give my children some special things for Christmas.... Photos stories and many things that will pertain to their childhood that I will not be able to tell them later.. but that I want them to have as they start their own families...
Stories about the things they did.. their medical issues and little things too.. a lock of their baby hair a favorite toy.. you know.. a treasure box of memories for each of them...

I find myself so bored at night during the dark hours.. used to be I was able to cope with it... but these days its just dark hours and silence.. no music.. no one posting LOl..  just eerie quietness.

I hope you are all sleeping and resting...
sweet dreams to you all!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 14/12/2008 08:09:33
3 am

I'm on my 4th night not being able to sleep.  Only had a few hours each day and i'm starting to feel like a zombie!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Carolyn on 02/01/2009 09:20:34
4:20 am - UGH!
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Post by: neilep on 08/01/2009 16:34:06
From The Desk Of Sheepy:

Sheepy requests that I notify ewe that he will be interviewed by Clare Balding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_Balding) this Saturday on BBC Radio4's  SONY AWARD WINNING UK SPEECH PROGRAM OF THE YEAR 2008 "Saturday Live"  http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/saturdaylive/saturdaylive.shtml  9am UK time !!..oh gawwd !!!

Sheepy wishes to let it be known that he will not forget the 'little people ' as he enjoys his 5 minutes of fame akin to the recent multi-presidential gathering !!  [::)] [::)]....You can tune in, listen live or download it !..

..His will be, what they call... the 'Extraordinary Story'


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Post by: Karen W. on 09/01/2009 20:31:00
From The Desk Of Sheepy:

Sheepy requests that I notify ewe that he will be interviewed by Clare Balding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_Balding) this Saturday on BBC Radio4's  SONY AWARD WINNING UK SPEECH PROGRAM OF THE YEAR 2008 "Saturday Live"  http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/saturdaylive/saturdaylive.shtml  9am UK time !!..oh gawwd !!!

Sheepy wishes to let it be known that he will not forget the 'little people ' as he enjoys his 5 minutes of fame akin to the recent multi-presidential gathering !!  [::)] [::)]....You can tune in, listen live or download it !..

..His will be, what they call... the 'Extraordinary Story'



He already is the extrordinary story!.I will have to go to me daughters to listen to our own sheepy as he shines in his 5 minutes of fame and glory.....

Regardless of that 5 minutes....Our sheepy shines as bright as any star in the sky all the time!

Good Luck to you Sheepy....Shine up those pradas  and kock em out with your charm!
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Post by: neilep on 10/01/2009 07:32:50
Thanks Kareny Mam,

I should do well seeing as I've been awake for 48 hours !
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 10/01/2009 07:43:04
What on Earth were you up to?
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/01/2009 08:31:50
Thanks Kareny Mam,

I should do well seeing as I've been awake for 48 hours !

Ok I have you tuned in Mr Sheepy! LOL.. Good Luck...
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/01/2009 09:56:46
Well done Neily!.. Great interview... You should have Talked poetry// with your Poemage!

Were you a bit nervous? Did Ben Have fun going with you?

Nice Job Ben.. Did you keep Daddy awake? LOL..

Very well done! I hope you have a big response and good leads for help!

You have tried most all the suggestions eh? I hope the response was a lot more then we could hear!
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Post by: neilep on 10/01/2009 10:56:11
What on Earth were you up to?

Oh we were having load s of fun playing hide and seek   [;D]
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Post by: neilep on 10/01/2009 11:00:18
Well done Neily!.. Great interview... You should have Talked poetry// with your Poemage!

Were you a bit nervous? Did Ben Have fun going with you?

Nice Job Ben.. Did you keep Daddy awake? LOL..

Very well done! I hope you have a big response and good leads for help!

You have tried most all the suggestions eh? I hope the response was a lot more then we could hear!

Thanks Kareny Mam,

yes, a bit nervous...I think my 'umm' ing demonstrated that  [;)]

Ben really enjoyed it, he sat in the control room with all the buttons and nobs !!

To be honest, the main guest encroached a lot on the time they wanted to use for me bu, oh well. They apparently had loads of emails and texts and offers of help so perhaps they will forward them onto me at some point.

Thanks for listening...apparently their audience is 2.2million !!

Yikes !!
 [:o]
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/01/2009 11:05:54
I am glad about Ben having fun..
Glad it went smoothly That's a big audience.
I hope it helps.
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Post by: neilep on 10/01/2009 11:30:24
LOL !

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Post by: Karen W. on 10/01/2009 15:54:20
LOL...LOL. NICE PICCY!
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Post by: neilep on 10/01/2009 16:07:38
I wanted to keep my pass !!..but they made me give it back !!..ben got away with his though !!..the sneakey rascal !!...he found an old one whilst we were waiting to be seen and handed that in instead !!...the cheeky munky !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/01/2009 16:22:21
No fair.. smartie.. lol he is very good.. lol He wa thinking..Too bd they took yours back.....
That is funny though... You go to think quicker next time..Lol....
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Post by: JimBob on 10/01/2009 17:26:12
LOL !

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(clears throat and hopes not to be pedantic) Neil, the name of the show you were on is Saturday Live, not Saturday Life. See what happens when you don't get enough rest.)
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Post by: neilep on 10/01/2009 17:39:46
Thanks for yout pedanticity JimBob...I shall pass on your comments to the bloke behind reception who wrote it !!  [;D]

You'd think they would know woudn't ya ?
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Post by: JimBob on 10/01/2009 18:16:37
Thanks for yout pedanticity JimBob...I shall pass on your comments to the bloke behind reception who wrote it !!  [;D]

You'd think they would know wouldn't ya ?

This indicates a conspiracy - you should as for a parliamentary investigation and prosecution of the conspirators, leading to a public hanging for the traitors.
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Post by: Make it Lady on 10/01/2009 22:47:58
Is sheppy going tp be rolling his eyes under his eye lids tonight? What a weird suggestion for bringing on sleep. There is nothing to read on the inside of your eye lids so what does it do? I must admit that I sometimes look right up and close my eyes in order to relax when I'm stressed. It helps me do a poo when I'm on the loo. Sorry, I forgot this is not IBS support.
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Post by: Make it Lady on 11/01/2009 19:16:57
Last night I didn't sleep because I kept thinking about sheepy doing all the mad things the R4 listeners had suggested to get him to sleep. I didn't sleep very well at all. Neil you must be the first person to have insomnia-by-proxy. 
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/01/2009 13:57:41
I am just here this morning to report that Me Myseff and My trustee C-PAP....HAVE JUST had a very successful round of sleep wherein  I never woke up a single second that I can remember.. and actually feel rested for the first time since last Trip to the Hospital! I had a terrible Headache for two days after that plus very dopey disturbing sleep! I suspect it was that big dose of Morephine  they gave me.....before sending me home!

Anyways I remember no dream at all last night, but I went to sleep easily for a change and stayed dead out of it til  a bit ago... nice  sleep !
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Post by: Carolyn on 14/01/2009 05:08:35
Congrats on your sleep, Karen.  I hope it continues for you.
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/01/2009 05:13:49
Thanks Carolyn..and I hope your sleep has improved over the lasy couple days!
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Post by: Carolyn on 19/01/2009 09:54:33
Ugh!  Almost 5 am!! [:-'(] [:(!]
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 19/01/2009 10:04:36
Can I offer some second-hand support?? [:)][:)]
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 19/01/2009 10:38:51
I guess that means you have gone back to sleep, which is even better news! [:)][:)]
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Post by: Carolyn on 19/01/2009 11:01:12
I guess that means you have gone back to sleep, which is even better news! [:)][:)]

Nope, just left to do laundry. [V]
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 19/01/2009 11:02:29
Oh! Well, I guess it is probably a bit late to try now?
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Post by: Carolyn on 19/01/2009 11:06:46
Unfortunately so.  Maybe I'll sleep tonight.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 19/01/2009 11:12:12
While you look forward to Monday morning, I shall be turning in to bed on Tuesday morning, in about 5 minutes. If that made any sense to you at all... [::)] [::)] [::)]
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Post by: Carolyn on 19/01/2009 11:15:27
Yep, made perfect sense.

Sweet dreams.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 19/01/2009 11:18:26
Thank you, I hope I do get...zzzzzzzz *snores*.... *coughs and splutters* Ahem. Sorry, I hope I do get a good sleep...zzzzzzzz *dreams about sweet stuff*
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Post by: Carolyn on 19/01/2009 11:25:19
LOL..goodluck to you.

I've given up trying for the evening/morning.  I guess I'll just get an early start on studying...not that i'll be able to concentrate.
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Post by: Carolyn on 23/01/2009 06:50:23
*sigh*   [V]
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 23/01/2009 06:55:14
Can't fall asleep?
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Post by: Carolyn on 23/01/2009 07:00:53
Nope, afraid not.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 23/01/2009 07:06:55
How about now? I see that you have logged off.
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Post by: Make it Lady on 23/01/2009 17:45:13
I have the opposite problem at the moment which is just as annoying. If I sit down I drop off. I've been so busy for the last two weeks that I have a massive sleep debt. I'm supposed to be going to rehearsals tonight but have zero energy. Even after drinking lots of coffee I'm still all droopy. The only place I can't sleep is in bed as Hubby is back with his snoring turned up to maximum vibrate mode.
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Post by: Carolyn on 24/01/2009 05:50:20
How about now? I see that you have logged off.

No, I didnt' go to sleep....I decided to study in the hopes that that would put me to sleep.  It didn't.
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Post by: Carolyn on 24/01/2009 05:59:29
I have the opposite problem at the moment which is just as annoying. If I sit down I drop off. I've been so busy for the last two weeks that I have a massive sleep debt. I'm supposed to be going to rehearsals tonight but have zero energy. Even after drinking lots of coffee I'm still all droopy. The only place I can't sleep is in bed as Hubby is back with his snoring turned up to maximum vibrate mode.

It is most assuredly as big a problem and every bit as annoying.  That's what happens to me after I have bouts of insomnia.  When I finally can sleep, I can't get enough of it and i can't function during the day and am always nodding off.  It doesn't make life easy.  I'm supposed to be studying for a big test in February, but I can't concentrate on it at all.  I don't know how I'm going to pass it.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 24/01/2009 06:10:24
Forgive me for not knowing your background Carolyn, but what exactly are you studying? 
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 24/01/2009 06:11:47
Is it a bit past 2 a.m. where you live?
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 24/01/2009 06:49:07
Gone back to sleep now?
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Post by: Carolyn on 24/01/2009 07:11:56
Forgive me for not knowing your background Carolyn, but what exactly are you studying? 

It's a little complicated. I own an air conditioning company, but the license is in my fathers name and I need to get it in my name.  you have to pass a test to get the license.  I don't do the physical labor in the company, my husband does, so I'm a bit lost.
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Post by: Carolyn on 25/01/2009 07:49:20
C R A P [:(!]
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 25/01/2009 07:52:30
Up already Carolyn?
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Post by: Carolyn on 25/01/2009 07:58:09
Almost 3 am.  Haven't been to bed yet.  I'm sure hubby will wake at any moment and will not be happy with me.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 25/01/2009 07:59:26
Why won't he be happy? Because you haven't gone to sleep?
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Post by: Carolyn on 25/01/2009 08:04:30
No, he gets mad when I don't go to bed.  He has no trouble sleeping so he doesn't understand not being able to.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 25/01/2009 08:05:41
Awww, okay, you'd better try and get some sleep then. [:)][:)]
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Post by: Carolyn on 25/01/2009 08:08:47
I'm gonna go read some, maybe that will help. 

Night.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 25/01/2009 08:11:52
Yeah, Good Luck! Sweet Dreams...
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Post by: Carolyn on 27/01/2009 05:50:09
Ho hum...
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 27/01/2009 05:57:24
I beg you pardon [???][???]
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Post by: Carolyn on 27/01/2009 05:59:39
Just my way of saying another sleepless night...ho hum....
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 27/01/2009 06:00:32
Okay [:)] you must be very tired then huh?
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 27/01/2009 06:01:06
How much sleep do you get a day, on average? Just past 1 a.m. where you live?
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Post by: Carolyn on 27/01/2009 06:03:36
The last week or so maybe 3 hours.  I've taken some cold medicine so I'm hoping that will knock me out, and hopefully very soon.  I have 7:30am appointment and I'd like to have more than 3 hours sleep.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 27/01/2009 06:06:46
Well, you had better not waste anymore of your time delay your sleep by chating to me then  [:)] [:)]
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Post by: Carolyn on 27/01/2009 06:10:44
I won't got to bed until my eyes are drooping.  Hubby is a light sleeper and I don't want to wake him with my tossing and turning, sooooo...I'm just hanging out here and there in TNS, cuddling with my sweet little Benjamin, and waiting for the medicine to work so I can breathe and sleep.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 27/01/2009 06:11:50
Who is Benjamin? A pet? Cat? Dog?
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Post by: Carolyn on 27/01/2009 06:16:04
This is Benjamin.

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c87/kochcarolyn/12-21-06_1103.jpg)
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 27/01/2009 06:50:57
Still haven't fallen asleep?
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 27/01/2009 07:02:45
Okay, I see you have logged off. You must be snoring away by now [:)]
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Post by: Make it Lady on 27/01/2009 18:41:26
My husband was always very unsupportive about my bouts of insomnia until he suddenly had a bout of it himself. He found out it was from going to the gym at 9.00pm at night. He then discovered just how annoying it is to have a snoring bedfellow when you can't sleep. HA!
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Post by: Carolyn on 27/01/2009 18:50:43
Okay, I see you have logged off. You must be snoring away by now [:)]

Hmpht!  I don't snore! [;D]
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Post by: Carolyn on 27/01/2009 18:54:01
My husband was always very unsupportive about my bouts of insomnia until he suddenly had a bout of it himself. He found out it was from going to the gym at 9.00pm at night. He then discovered just how annoying it is to have a snoring bedfellow when you can't sleep. HA!

I keep wishing it on him so he'll become a little more sympathetic...but so far, no luck.  I'm stuck with him being a jack ass on this issue. [:(!]
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Post by: Make it Lady on 27/01/2009 21:15:48
Scrunch up some caffeine tablets and sprinkle them on his sandwiches!
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Post by: Carolyn on 28/01/2009 03:23:54
Scrunch up some caffeine tablets and sprinkle them on his sandwiches!

Haha!  I do like the way you think!
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Post by: Karen W. on 30/01/2009 10:52:42
Not sleeping...will try again in a few.. Darn cough has me by the throat!
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 30/01/2009 11:21:25
Nodded off now?
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Post by: Karen W. on 30/01/2009 23:51:52
Nope Just signed out tried to sleep no avail.. so I have been trying to hook my computer up to a wireless router which is kicking my butt! I installed the wireless card to my computer and my daughter installed the router to her computer in  the back bedroom where she has just moved in so she is on the main computer line but my computer and wireless card are asking me for a passphrase  for the netgear router.. On the router end the password was there and we used that one but it still sucks and is not working and now I am just mad and tired! LOL..
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Post by: Carolyn on 08/02/2009 07:49:04
*BIG SIGH*  2:48 am!
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 08/02/2009 07:56:37
Well at least you haven't had to post here lately [:)]
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Post by: Carolyn on 08/02/2009 08:10:59
Oh, I just get tired of complaining about it sometimes.
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/02/2009 12:16:07
*BIG SIGH*  2:48 am!
Sorry your not sleeping either...... Its 4:13 AM  here and no sleep... just bored ...watching tv wasteland...
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Post by: Carolyn on 09/02/2009 14:24:45
*BIG SIGH*  2:48 am!
Sorry your not sleeping either...... Its 4:13 AM  here and no sleep... just bored ...watching tv wasteland...

Hope you managed some rest Karen.
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/02/2009 07:33:36
thanks Carolyn..not much
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Post by: Carolyn on 18/02/2009 06:57:47
U G H!!!

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Post by: Chemistry4me on 18/02/2009 07:08:59
2 a.m?
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Post by: neilep on 19/02/2009 02:13:02
42 hours straight !

joy be joy !....
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Post by: Karen W. on 19/02/2009 02:40:00
Sorry your not sleeping...wish I could help....but I don't suppose a Sheepy counts sheep....What does a Sheepy count?

What comforts a Sheepy when heis wide awake!
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Post by: neilep on 19/02/2009 08:39:07
48.5 hours !

Sheepy counts the numbers of posts in the insomnia support thread !
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Post by: Carolyn on 23/02/2009 06:50:53
I sooooo love not sleeping! [:(!] [V]
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 23/02/2009 07:00:16
Does your son/daughter live with you?
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 23/02/2009 07:10:24
Just realised that I've posted in the wrong thread...aaahhh!! [:0]
I'm losing it! [:0]
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Post by: Carolyn on 25/02/2009 03:07:34
Just realised that I've posted in the wrong thread...aaahhh!! [:0]
I'm losing it! [:0]

LOL..were you talking to me?
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 25/02/2009 03:16:44
Yes. [:)]    I think
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Post by: Carolyn on 25/02/2009 03:21:45
Yes. [:)]    I think

haha.  My son is 15 so yes, he lives with me.  My daughter goes to college in another state, so I see her every few weeks.

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Post by: Chemistry4me on 25/02/2009 03:24:47
Okay [:)][:)]
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Post by: neilep on 03/03/2009 00:52:45
I'm in Nitrazepam Land....night night !!
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Post by: Karsten on 04/03/2009 01:31:50
I just stumbled across this thread and I thought: Wow, 50 pages of support for people who cannot sleep! I shall look to see if there is something for my mild case." Read the first page. Looks great. Read he 50th page. Looks like you are keeping each other up! I have to read more pages some other time.

When I cannot sleep I listen to talk radio. International news. Might as well do something educational. BTW, techno music works wonders for me as well. Super relaxing. Although it does the complete opposite to all other people. But it does not work when I wake up in the middle of the night.

Anyhow, nothing important written here. Just ignore this. Go catch some sleep! [;)]
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/03/2009 03:02:18
Hope you get some sleep....!

When we post in here it is because we or for me anyway.. I am already up and absolutely unable to sleep.
 so might as well post until tired.
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Post by: Carolyn on 04/03/2009 03:13:25
Hope you get some sleep....!

When we post in here it is because we or for me anyway.. I am already up and absolutely unable to sleep.
 so might as well post until tired.

Yep me too.

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Post by: Karen W. on 04/03/2009 03:58:12
evening Carolyn.
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/03/2009 09:06:40
Well...I am working on 72 hous on 4 hours of sleep.....I am whipped...going to try again soon.. feel like crud...loosing track of time.....that is so weird when I get tired..like this..I have to look out the windows to remember if it is AM or PM. get my meds screwed up... did I take them or not... go look nope missed 3 doses...not good! That may be a problem with the water...and blood pressure....

Well hoping tonight will be good for sleep. I really need some...My skin on my head feels like its going to sleep..and my face...feels all tingly.

 I have been watching.. several of the diffeent bariatric surgeries..... Worries me... they seem so Dangerous.....
 I need to keep trying... it is so hard anymore to get the weight off.   This last Doctor for Social security told me..."It has nothing to do with exercise just portion control!" Well That's not how I feel... I need to do both to feel better and gain strength.

Oh well....  hope you all are sleeping and snoring like  crazy! Well no snoring would be more restful eh..I snore when I am sick with a chest or head cold!
Do you all snore?
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 06/03/2009 10:30:33
4 hours!! [:o][:o][:o]

-----
I seldomly wake myself up with my own snoring!! Have you done that? [:)]
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/03/2009 10:47:24
When I am sick..I have woken myself up. Sleep study said no snoring when well! which is good.

yes ...4 hours..and I am so tired... think..I am ready  now to try again..... give it a few hours in bed and see what happens.

Night C4M . sweet dreams
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 06/03/2009 11:49:49
Heehee, I haven't gone yet

Goodnight.
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/03/2009 13:12:25
I am here now...closing my eyes...saying goodnight.......... and hitting the send key.......
.......
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Post by: Carolyn on 15/05/2009 08:14:01
*sigh*  2:13 am.  Insomnia has gotten much worse.
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/05/2009 09:55:34
 I hope you get some sleep soon...I slept a few hours this afternoon...it was nice... but Now I am wide awake..but its early yet....there is still hope!

It's rather muggy and hot tonight.... drizzling and icky! I am uncomfortable..... How is the weather there?
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 15/05/2009 10:18:48
Early? Just 12:15 a.m. right? [:)]
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/05/2009 10:32:51
1:30 AM right now!
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 16/05/2009 01:34:22
Oh right, I'd forgotten about daylight saving. You call 1:30 a.m. early? [:)]
I would say it is late diddly late.
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Post by: Karen W. on 16/05/2009 03:52:13
"Late diddly late"  hee hee..makes me grin..sounds so cute! I have never heard that phrase before!

Its not late for me.....lol...I honestly do not have a late anymore...haven't for years really.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 16/05/2009 04:07:42
It's from the Simpsons, Ned Flanders always says that (diddly).

Here's a song about it:
(http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/movies/slideshow/simpsons-extras/img_6.jpg)
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Post by: Karen W. on 16/05/2009 04:16:35
You'da thunk that I ed herd that there line time and again... sometimes That's all the kids and their dad would watch on that there thing they call a TV! Lol....
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Post by: Carolyn on 16/05/2009 07:37:04
I hope you get some sleep soon...I slept a few hours this afternoon...it was nice... but Now I am wide awake..but its early yet....there is still hope!

It's rather muggy and hot tonight.... drizzling and icky! I am uncomfortable..... How is the weather there?

Thanks Karen. I managed about 2 hours.  The weather here hasn't been too bad, it's been in the 90's (f) or around 32(c).  With hurricane season around the corner, we're starting to get some nasty storms.  I wish it would storm now, I might be able to sleep.
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 16/05/2009 07:43:23
I wish it would storm now, I might be able to sleep.
Really? I would have thought it'll be easier to sleep without rain and wind crashing onto the roof. 
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Post by: Karen W. on 16/05/2009 07:53:30
Storming like crazy puts me too sleep really nicely the louder the better! rain hail wind ... I love it...Its soothing!

Sounds like some odd wether.. I agree with you...

Get some rest anyway and I hope you start feeling better soon!
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Post by: Carolyn on 16/05/2009 08:13:22
I wish it would storm now, I might be able to sleep.
Really? I would have thought it'll be easier to sleep without rain and wind crashing onto the roof. 

I love sleeping during a storm....it's like a lullaby.

Storming like crazy puts me too sleep really nicely the louder the better! rain hail wind ... I love it...Its soothing!

Sounds like some odd wether.. I agree with you...

Get some rest anyway and I hope you start feeling better soon!

Thanks.
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Post by: Karen W. on 16/05/2009 09:03:52
Your Welcome!
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2009 11:55:41
Well wide awake again tonight. Woe is me....
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2009 11:56:41
What's faster then a white Tornado? ...LOL...
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2009 11:58:13
Heck.. what is a white tornado?
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2009 12:07:44
What's faster then a white Tornado? ...LOL...

My brother's favorite joke as a kid... really peaved my mom and sisters off!

Answer: A tittie twister!.. hardy har har! LOL..It was always accompanied by a quick grab at our shirts and an attempt at a twist before one of us boxed him upside the head!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 01/07/2009 07:12:27
Well here I am again.. been kaying down but no luck with the sleep.. I hope you are all getting some zzzzzzzzzzz's
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Chemistry4me on 01/07/2009 07:33:56
What time is it? Not too late diddly late?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 01/07/2009 07:50:33
Almost Midnight on day three or four I have quit counting...
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 04/07/2009 09:36:56
ok...my spicy delicious Mexican food is kicking my tail with heartburn!

I am bored stiff to boot!
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Post by: neilep on 26/07/2009 23:41:38
I rarely visit this thread nowadays...but I thought you'd like to know that I'm nitrazepamed up !!


Very very early night for me....I want some sleep..so I'm getting some.. !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 27/07/2009 06:39:36
WHOOO WHOOO...... Yes get some z's...I hope you sleep well!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2009 10:20:17
I can't sleep again.... feeling very fidgety and well.. my stomach is a bit queasy,,,and uneasy!Anyone else up tonight?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/08/2009 10:33:52
well,as a sheepy I have not slept in a couple of days but it's 10:30am here...does that count ?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2009 11:34:05
Yep today makes it 3 days,,,, I am pooped!

It of coarse counts. I hope that sleep comes your way right away.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/08/2009 11:45:51
you too !

......don't you have sleepy tabs ?
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Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2009 17:42:56
you too !

......don't you have sleepy tabs ?


Yep I took some at two am..to no avail... I was able to finally fall asleep around 6:00 am but I woke again at 8:44am..so I am about to be off for pool exercise. Have a great day!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 22/08/2009 11:40:32
grrrr...I took my sleepy tabs at 1:15am and then was awake at 3am..*le joy*
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 22/08/2009 20:26:19
well we are both batting about the same average these days even with  sleepy tabs!...Hope you fincd some sleep tonight..... sorry for your lack of it.
I just finished ad workout in the pool from 10 to noon! Was very Quiet for a saturday at the pool!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Variola on 23/08/2009 01:25:40
Anyone else up??

I thought i would have a mooch about on hear instead of just lying in bed waiting for the elusive sleep
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 23/08/2009 01:30:09
I'm up...but not for long !...i have eyelids that are very heavy......I think they must be working out and ewesing weights !!
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Post by: neilep on 23/08/2009 01:30:33
...not tired though !.....bizarre eh ?
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Post by: Variola on 23/08/2009 01:38:20
Yup, i get heavy eyes but not sleep a lot, particularly recently.
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Post by: neilep on 23/08/2009 01:44:36
I know EXACTLY what ewe mean......!!

tonight...my eyes are stinging.....I get it sometimes after protracted hours of non-sleep..I guess they must need watering !...

I need to go close them  for a while......

Nighty night !

hugs to all

mwah mwah
xxxxxxxx
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2009 02:04:12
Anyone else up??

I thought i would have a mooch about on hear instead of just lying in bed waiting for the elusive sleep

Awake... and thinking about whats for dinner!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Variola on 23/08/2009 02:10:25
Awake.....and my tummy is thinking dinner was too long ago!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2009 02:16:04
I'm up...but not for long !...i have eyelids that are very heavy......I think they must be working out and ewesing weights !!

 That's good!!! They have been over stimulated and need to rest.....so let them rest, and maybe with any luck the rest of your body will follow suit!!!
 Sweet dreams...

Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2009 02:24:34
Awake.....and my tummy is thinking dinner was too long ago!!!!!!!!!!!
I have not eaten anything all day today. I had a cup of coffee about 7:00 am  Then nothing since..wait I had a diet cherry coke.. I am starving! LOL.. My daughter wants to barbecue something! Pork corn on the cob, okra and a salad! with barbecued baked potatoes! Odd combo.. LOL..
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Variola on 24/08/2009 03:53:19
I appear to have caught insomnia from a transvestite sheep!

Let that be a warning to anyone who chats to the sheep... beware the venom is double-strength extra long-lasting caffeine!!  [;D]
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 24/08/2009 07:43:00
Good luck with that insomnia!
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Post by: Andrew K Fletcher on 26/08/2009 22:47:10
A lot of lavender around at the moment in the UK. Experimenting with placing it under pillow in a cloth bag. The scent is thought to aid sleep.

Will let you know the outcome.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 27/08/2009 06:40:16
if someone could arrange to knock me out with a few kilos of Lavender I would be most grateful !
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 28/08/2009 05:24:19
I'd be more than happy to Neil but only if you repay the favour by knocking me out!! ;o)

Sounds like your still having rough nights...im still going through my ups and down but learning to live with it...best thing sometimes is to accept it even though it aint easy!!....would be good to catch up with u sometimes.....
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Post by: Karen W. on 31/08/2009 08:12:17
I hope you are doing well living with your insomnia. Nice to have you stop in to post!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Andrew K Fletcher on 10/09/2009 21:24:55
Ayone taking lisinopril for blood pressure if so google using terms: lisinopril insomnia

I found out the hard way :)
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 11/09/2009 10:04:50
Anyone taking lisinopril for blood pressure if so google using terms: lisinopril insomnia

I found out the hard way :)
Yes I was!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Zwitterion on 26/09/2009 23:17:53
Hi guys,

Wanted some advice...which sleeping pills would you recommend taking to give you sleep quickly without the hangover effects the next day?

I've struggled for a good 7 years with my sleeping and have tried loads of things, including coming on here to have a whinge every so often... i've also tried various pills none of which ive found effective...ive not tried any benzo's yet but hoping to get prescribed it next time i see the Doc...so which one would you recommend?...never really wantd to go down the drugs route but desperate times.....
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 27/09/2009 09:34:28
I have resigned myself to a 10 mg ambian,  Generic brand is Zolpidem....10 mg..It does not always work though... but when I am really on the edge and its been horrible thats when it kicks in and works good.... I do not take it nightly or I would be quickly hooked....Cause i do treasure sleep and it feels so good to get to sleep....
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Post by: Karen W. on 27/09/2009 09:37:00
It can leave you with the hang over effect but les then other things at least thats my feeling.. I tolerate this better.
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/10/2009 04:03:42
grrrrrrrrrrr 4am !!!


Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 02/10/2009 05:04:43
grrrrrrrrr 5am !!!
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Post by: Zwitterion on 03/10/2009 17:03:59
Thanks Karen...got given Diazepam...havent given it a go yet as i want to take when i know i dont have anything planned the nxt morning as i really struggle from hang-over effects too. I think i tried a similar one which was Zoplicone which didnt work for me.

Hi Neil, sorry to see that u had a bad night last night...hope u finally managed to get some zzzzz'ss
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 23/10/2009 06:28:12
I hope you both have gotten some sleep tonight.

Zwitterion...Have you tried the new pill? If so How did it work for you?
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 25/12/2009 11:43:58
Merry Christmas and ho ho ho.. sleep is a no show!!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 31/12/2009 11:24:36
Still awake at 3:20 am..
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Post by: neilep on 31/12/2009 11:32:36
Me too  !...hope you managed some zzzzzzzz's !
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Post by: Chemistry4me on 31/12/2009 11:53:07
Well, I hope you get some sleep Karen. I'm off to bed, no need for socks or water bottles here [:)] It's a mild 22 degrees Celsius (~72 F).
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Post by: Karen W. on 31/12/2009 12:26:41
Well, I hope you get some sleep Karen. I'm off to bed, no need for socks or water bottles here [:)] It's a mild 22 degrees Celsius (~72 F).
Wow thats hot for night time... No sleep here .. but its ok I did get some this yesterday morning from 7:00 am to 12:00PM which was good time....asleep.

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Post by: Karen W. on 31/12/2009 12:30:23
Me too  !...hope you managed some zzzzzzzz's !

Oh Sheepie I hope you manage some too! I am still awake at 4:30 am so I expect to remain up for Physical therapy in aqua aerobics class at the pool and new years eve...I hope New years brings some fun and smiles for all!
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Post by: neilep on 01/01/2010 04:15:57
well..at 4:15am..I can see that I am already starting 2010 as I have started every year since I was 6...and that is being awake whilst everybody else (in my time zone) is asleep !!
Title: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 02/01/2010 12:01:52
I am so sorry....
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/03/2011 23:56:36
I can't sleep... maybe after karaoke tonight!
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Post by: neilep on 26/02/2012 05:19:49
5:30am Sunday !....Bleurghhhh !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 26/02/2012 06:03:35
Sorry you are not sleeping...I've been asleep for on and off now for the last 22 hours..not feeling so hot..am fixing to go back to sleep..again....can't make heads or tales of the pattern... Missed my meds for 22 hrs though... Been awake 2 hrs now.. Getting tired again..I ate some stir fry spicey chicken broccolli...
i hope you sleep soon....... I am sending some sleepy vibes.......rest soon Kind Sir....
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: neilep on 21/08/2012 05:29:09
5.30am {again}.......bleurgh
Title: Re: Insomnia support groups
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2012 08:17:36
Long long nights stink! SORRY YOU ARE STILL AWAKE... HOPE YOU SLEEP BETTER TOMORROW....X
Title: Re: Can anyone recommend any insomnia support groups?
Post by: saviour100 on 07/04/2013 04:37:25
Hello everyone, I know I am reviving quite an old topic but I am looking to ask something.

Does anyone know anybody who finds it hard to sleep at night in London?

Or anyone with Insomnia?

(I am working on a project and would like to get more people involved)

Thank you.
Title: Re: Can anyone recommend any insomnia support groups?
Post by: Karen W. on 07/04/2013 05:55:15
For london I would suggest you contact neilep here in the forum... I have insomnia but I am in Northern Ca. USA...Ihope you find your answers and support... Feel free to ask me anything and if I have an answer I will gladly offer one up based on my own experience.