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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: CZARCAR on 10/08/2012 18:51:29

Title: how many bosons in a black hole?
Post by: CZARCAR on 10/08/2012 18:51:29
Huh?
Title: Re: how many bosons in a black hole?
Post by: evan_au on 10/08/2012 21:54:34
Unless you watched the formation of the black hole, there is a limited amount of information you can know about the contents of a black hole, from the outside: It's total mass, net electric charge, and overall rotation (angular momentum).

It is thought that all matter is crushed into a singularity of infinite density at the center of a black hole, so it is doubtful that any bosons (or any other particle) falling into a black hole would retain their original identity or quantity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole#Properties_and_structure
Title: Re: how many bosons in a black hole?
Post by: yor_on on 12/08/2012 14:01:56
Heh, bosons take no 'place' do they? :)

So, assuming that the center too takes no place? How many can there be?
Assuming that there is a measurable center, Can we now put more bosons there?
Title: Re: how many bosons in a black hole?
Post by: CZARCAR on 12/08/2012 16:44:09
bosons account for mass?
Title: Re: how many bosons in a black hole?
Post by: yor_on on 12/08/2012 17:00:02
Tricky that one :)

Bosons can have a rest mass, as helium4, or they can be mass less as 'photons'. It seems to depends on how one think there? I use the Pauli exclusion principle to divide them, taking 'place' (fermions) or not taking place (bosons). But then you have those 'bosons' taking place, as helium4?

"at sufficiently low temperatures (approximately 2K), helium-4 Bose-condenses and becomes a superfluid. Superfluids exhibit many strange properties including zero viscosity." Still, at room temperatures they definitely take a 'place'.

What would the temperature be near the center of a Black Hole?
Title: Re: how many bosons in a black hole?
Post by: CZARCAR on 13/08/2012 16:09:12
what did the pressure cooker say to the black hole?
Title: Re: how many bosons in a black hole?
Post by: Emc2 on 16/08/2012 09:25:33
there are 45,025,458,477,662,311,233,000

bosons in a black hole

LOL  just kidding.......

inside of a black hole = ??????????????????????????????
Title: Re: how many bosons in a black hole?
Post by: imatfaal on 17/08/2012 13:17:36
there are 45,025,458,477,662,311,233,000

bosons in a black hole

LOL  just kidding.......

inside of a black hole = ??????????????????????????????

Just out of curiosity - I crunched some numbers for that figure of bosons.  Assuming the heaviest elementary boson - currently around 130 GeV - a black hole with that many bosons would have a mass of around 10 grams, be far and away the hottest thing around at 10^25 K, and evaporate in a splurge of gamma radiation and particles in 10^-23 of a second
Title: Re: how many bosons in a black hole?
Post by: Emc2 on 18/08/2012 08:20:42
lol not a very habitable place to be..

http://www.livescience.com/22452-gravitational-waves-ligo-black-holes.html

this research might help out a lot on black holes..