# Naked Science Forum

## On the Lighter Side => Science Experiments => Topic started by: aetzbar on 14/02/2015 16:17:34

Title: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: aetzbar on 14/02/2015 16:17:34
(A1 : A2 ) > ( O1 : O2 )

A - diameter of a circle
O- circumference of a circle.
Title: is pi is a single number ?
Post by: aetzbar on 15/02/2015 17:53:46
is pi is a single number ?
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: RD on 15/02/2015 19:35:22
is pi is a single number ?

Pi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi) is an irrational number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrational_number) , so it is a number which has an infinitely-long series of digits after the decimal point ...

3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399 ............ (http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~huberty/math5337/groupe/digits.html)
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: chiralSPO on 15/02/2015 20:47:41
(A1 : A2 ) > ( O1 : O2 )

A - diameter of a circle
O- circumference of a circle.

if A1 is the diameter of circle 1, A2 is the diameter of circle 2, O1 is the circumference of circle 1, and O2 is the circumference of circle 2, then the ratio of A1 to A2 must be identical to the ratio of O1 to O2. (Because the ratio A1 to O1 is identical to the ratio A2 to O2)

If you can prove that these ratios are not equal, you have either made a mistake in the proof, or made some tricky assumptions that make the proof invalid (for instance if one of the circles is defined in a Euclidean space, and the other is not)
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: aetzbar on 16/02/2015 01:35:03
Can you prove that ( A1 : A2 ) = ( O1 : O2 ) with out assume that pi is a single number ?
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: Colin2B on 16/02/2015 11:02:34
Can you prove that ( A1 : A2 ) = ( O1 : O2 ) with out assume that pi is a single number ?
Yes as long as you personally accept that pi=pi no matter what its numerical value, infinite or finite.
Use O1=pi x A1 and O2=pi x A2 to derive your ratios. Value of pi is irrelevant.
Doesn't need an experiment.

Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: chiralSPO on 16/02/2015 14:42:34
Can you prove that ( A1 : A2 ) = ( O1 : O2 ) with out assume that pi is a single number ?

can you prove that 1 is a single number?
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: alancalverd on 16/02/2015 16:11:10
The properties of similar triangles are independent of the apex angle. Consider an infinitesimal apex angle a, and construct two arcs by repetitively stepping a until you reach a value θ. The locus of a point at r from the origin is s. Then by definition s = rθ for all r and all θ, hence A1:A2 = O1:O2 and θ has a single value for all circles. By definition θcircle = 2π. Hence π is a single number.
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: aetzbar on 16/02/2015 19:48:25
http://mymathforum.com/geometry/50519-single-pi-number.html
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: Colin2B on 16/02/2015 22:22:18
http://mymathforum.com/geometry/50519-single-pi-number.html
So, they all think you are mistaken, we all think you are mistaken.
Pi is not a variable.
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: aetzbar on 17/02/2015 02:44:13
scientific revolution

Sophisticated lines belong to geometry , but also to physics.
In my opinion … the relations from the numbers 3.1416   and  3.164  will appear in  the real physical world.

Sophisticated lines do not belong to mathematics
what do the math with the determination of a single internal number 3.141597.?

Finally,
Mechanics 100 years ago , it was impossible to produce a sensitive PYPY
Today's , mechanics can prove the existence of the sophisticated lines.

Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: aetzbar on 17/02/2015 02:50:37
pypy
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: chiralSPO on 17/02/2015 03:06:20
pi (π) is a number and a pure mathematical concept. It can be determined mathematically to an arbitrary number of digits (millions, billions, trillions of significant figures or as many as you like!). This would be nonsensical as a physical measurement. We might be able to make incredibly accurate measurements that are within 1 ppb or even 1 ppt, but that is only 9 or 12 significant figures. Even if we could determine the distance between our Sun and the farthest visible star to the nearest Planck length, that would hardly get us past 60 significant figures. Of COURSE you cannot measure the precise value of π using physical objects and instruments! But that doesn't mean that it is not a single number in theory.
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: aetzbar on 17/02/2015 04:52:41
All mathematical calculation - that belong to the length of line - good only to simple line.
mathematical computations unsuitable on sophisticated lines.
Therefor,mathematics did not find the idea of changing pi from 3.1416  to  3.164
Title: The new formula
Post by: aetzbar on 22/02/2015 00:46:23

Dmm = 3*10-7 : (pi of D – pi min)2
D – diameter of circule in mm
Pi min = 3.14159…
Pi of D – from pi min up to 3.1589
Title: Dmm = 0.0000003 : ( pi of D - pi min )^2
Post by: aetzbar on 22/02/2015 15:47:09
The new formula of circles – pi is not a single number

Dmm =  0.0000003 : (pi of D – pi min)^2

D – diameter of circle in mm
Pi min = 3.14159…….  = 3.1416
Pi of D – from pi min up to 3.1589
Title: The new formula of circles with variable pi effect
Post by: aetzbar on 23/02/2015 13:16:13

The new formula of circles with variable pi effect

Physical D = 0.0000003 : (pi of D  -  pi min )^2

Physical D is physical length of circle diameter.
Physical length will be marked with number of mm

Pi min = 3.14159……= 3.1416
Pi of D variable from 3.1416 to 3.1589

When pi of D = 3.1416 ,   D = infinite  mm
When pi of D = 3.1589 ,   D = 0.001mm
When pi of D = 3.14161 ,  D = 3000mm

Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: aetzbar on 25/02/2015 20:29:32
http://mathhelpboards.com/misc.php?do=showattachments&t=14468
Title: Re: what are the conclusiuns drawn from experiment that prooves
Post by: chiralSPO on 25/02/2015 20:37:28
no.

No!

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If you keep this up you will fail the Turing test.

PS: no one here will argue with you anymore because there is no point, so just stop posting.