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Title: What is global warming?
Post by: pasala on 14/02/2016 17:09:55
                       GLOBAL WARMING


Well, it is the hottest topic among our politicians and Scientists. It is true that temperature is raising continuously.  The Intergovernmental panel on global warming were more than 95% certain that Global warming is raising due to concentrations of Greenhouse gases and other human activities. Scientists are estimating that it will result in raising sea levels, increase in desert areas. They are also estimating that it may also result in extreme weather conditions such as floods,heavy rains in some parts and in some other parts drought. 

Scientists are estimating that all these are due to human mistakes i.e., increase in green house gases.

WHAT EXACTLY GLOBAL WARMING IS:
Suppose let us take one poor family from rural area in UK.  During severe winter how they protect themselves.  They burn fire wood to raise temperature in the house.  It gives warm, wet and dry, comfortable climate within the house.  Suppose, let us assume that one person within the house lighted a cigarette.  What happens, it causes pollution only and it has no capacity to increase temperature within the house.

Let us take this example for earth.  Actually they have used fire wood to raise temperature in the house.  Here on this earth also, earth is still burning deep inside and is releasing lot of energy into the open area. I had already discussed about existence of "ENERGY BASE" on this earth.

Any raise of temperature on the earth means:
01  It is mainly due to two things.
    a)  Increase in the amount of energy released by earth.  In   
         the example, suppose if the family uses more firewood, 
         what happens, it becomes discomfort.  Here on this earth
        also key role is played by energy from earth.
    b)  The other important thing influencing climate on earth is
        sun.  However influence  of sun is limited.  Here we have to
        remember one important point that energy from  sun is
        shared by universe and the earth is very small one in the
        universe.  So impact  falls on total universe.  However even
        small change in the temperature can cause lot  of effect on
        the "ENERGY BASE".
These two things are playing key role on global warming.  Actually our scientists are not aware of "ENERGY BASE" on this earth and are taking existing things as base.  This is not correct.  If we do not know how this energy base is created than it is impossible for us to understand Global warming.

CREATION OF ENERGY BASE:
Once our earth is also a ball of fire only.  Due to heavy concentration of hydrosphere it rained for quiet long period and earth started cooling.  Initially it started cooling from poles and paved way for nature.  Strong hydrosphere paved way for creation of "ENERGY BASE" on this earth.  Certain amount of energy permanently remained on this earth.  We are all living in this and this can compared to mother's womb which gives far better protection than anything.

While calculating GLOBAL WARMING we must keep in mind about this energy base.  Without any idea about this, any calculations misleads us.  Impact of global warming can be divided into two periods, short and long.

SHORT PERIOD:
In the short period raise of temperature influences hydrosphere on this earth.  It results in melting of ice, however more evaporation of water balances it.  But due to its influence
it results in heavy rains and floods at some places and drought at some other places.  This is of course short phenomena and remains short period up to 10 to 20 years.

LONG PERIOD:
We must remember one important point that earth started cooling from poles and it is a continuous phenomena. Interior part of earth i.e., core cannot burn permanently. At times it may release extra energy, for so many reasons and this is only short phenomena only. But in the long run it is cooling and ENERGY BASE on this earth is also weakening.  It is like slow poison never affect directly and changes will take place slowly without the
knowledge of human beings.
01  In all the European countries and some of the northern states of USA where temperature never raises above 30 degrees.  In all these areas its effect is direct.  Here human in habitation and nature existence is in question.  Its effect is direct on reproductive capacity of nature including human beings.  For measuring these changes 100 years can    be taken as minimum period.
02  In the long period, ice covers completely USSR,European countries,Canada and Northern  states of America.  Human existence stretches towards center of the earth.
03  In my view, when climate on earth was volatile, and Energy base was developed is taken   for 100%.  Present situation on earth is taken for 45% and it will continue upto 25%.  Thereafter it will collapse suddenly and sudden changes in the climate will rock the  earth.

Actually our scientists are moving around short phenomena changes only.  Actually we have to keep in mind that earth is having extra ordinary capacity to absorb all these changes.
Carbon-DI-oxide, Carbon-monoxide released by factories and vehicles can influence climate to some extent only. Here we have to note one important point that burning cigarette in the
house never raises temperature but only causes pollution.

Our focus must be on all the industries causing pollution.  If they are indispensable than they may be moved to places where there is no human existence i.e., barren lands.

Yours
psreddy

Title: Re: WHAT EXACTLY GLOBAL WARMING IS
Post by: alancalverd on 14/02/2016 17:58:17
Global warming is unfashionable. It's now called climate change because sensible people have realised that it's a cyclic phenomenon, principally driven by water (which the IPCC recognises is (a) difficult to model, (b) difficult to tax, and (c) can't be blamed on the USA, so they ignore it)  and has very little to do with carbon dioxide.

And a burning cigarette does indeed increase the temperature of the world, but since it also shortens your life, the net efect on CO2 emission may be well negative.
Title: Re: WHAT EXACTLY GLOBAL WARMING IS
Post by: ulladulla-flower on 15/02/2016 07:28:35
Thank you. It is a useful information. [:)]
Title: Re: WHAT EXACTLY GLOBAL WARMING IS
Post by: Ethos_ on 15/02/2016 21:26:31
                       GLOBAL WARMING


A new religion contrived by the global elitists to extract greater sums of revenue, in the form of use taxes, from the illiterate masses.
Title: Re: WHAT EXACTLY GLOBAL WARMING IS
Post by: tkadm30 on 15/02/2016 22:17:34
                       GLOBAL WARMING

A pretext to manipulate the climate with chemtrails....
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Rodin1880 on 13/01/2019 00:22:00
Noooo...
Once upon a time, the earth was covered with ice, spinning and moving around the sun... At some point the temperature at the equator, the most constant point to the sun and friction line of the spin, got above freezing and began to melt... Due to it's melting, it lost reflectivity from it's share of the white ice that use to cover it... This, above freezing iceless portion of earth bordered on more ice, and continued to spin at 1,000 MPH, expanding the friction and warmth onto the iced portions melting them, 40,000 years ago, half the U.S. was still covered with ice and the regression of ice continued to where it is today, and is still continuing...
It seems to me that if Humans are responsible for this, we should blame the Humans from 40,000 years ago for continuing their industrial dreams after so much devastation had already and was obviously continuing...
But I digress... Eventually, all the ice will be gone and water will cover most if not all the land.. without any present cooling affect, the waters will increase in temperature until evaporation becomes as consistent as the current melting is... Eventually, clouds will block the sun, the clouds will cool, rain, snow and ice will fall, and the earth will be covered with ice, until such a time that the clouds are gone, the sun shines through and the temperature at the equatorial line will exceed freezing...
So blaming the internal warmth for global warming, really doesn't add up, it was hot when the earth was covered in ice, and will be again... Global warming has more to due with movement friction and the resulting thermal transfer within our atmosphere...
Some would suggest that WE, who have been industrialized for hundreds of the hundreds of millions of years that the ice has been melting are speeding up that process... 70% of the surface of the earth is water... we don't live there... on the 30% left, we occupy about 10% of that... So 3% occupancy, for .0000000014% of the time of the melting...
That said, it seems to me there is little we can do to fight 1,000 MPH friction on our surface, the earth has to spin, and little we can do to cool the border between the melted and the frozen from continuing the melt... We could, however increase our reflectivity by simply making everything we can, white... white roads with black lines, white roofs, white cars, white clothes...
So those huge-ego'd-maniacs that think WE can affect global warming may want to consider completely whitening their portion of our world, and, of course, stop doing all the things they believe contribute, like driving and flying, cooking and breathing...
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: opportunity on 13/01/2019 06:41:28
We are all familiar with the "canary in the coal mine" phrase.


So, what are a few of the reasons for these species becoming extinct in the past century?:

https://www.davidwolfe.com/animals-extinct-in-100-years/

Perhaps its all a part of a type of footprint, a systemic effect by one species and its attempt to do what?
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: opportunity on 13/01/2019 07:00:30
In the simplest of terms, people equate global warming with rising seas:

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/fiji-villages-move-due-climate-change-180213155519717.html


...polar ice-cap melting..

The question is what is responsible for rising sea levels and an apprent increase in sea/atmosphere temperature.

CO2 emissions?

Deforestation?

What "is" happening to the planet bears all the marks of human intervention, right? Yet do we equate that in to our global decison making re. natural resources use?
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Bored chemist on 13/01/2019 10:27:03
That said, it seems to me there is little we can do to fight 1,000 MPH friction on our surface,
Among the problems in your post is the idea that there's friction associated with the 1000 mph tangential velocity of the Earth.
But there isn't because it's all moving at more or less the same speed.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: pasala on 20/01/2019 18:03:34
Well, it is surprise to me how an EMF raises/increases Global warming.  Suppose you have switched on a light bulb, EMF raises and radiation within short area increases.  Do this activity increases Global warming.  Here we are not producing any energy.  We are drawing electrons from the open area, making them to  flow in a particular area.  In fact no additional energy is released into open area.

At present we are of the opinion that Sun energy is alone responsible for raising temperature.  Ok, if it is true, climate on Earth must be different.  During day time temperature must raise extra-ordinarily and similarly it must drop suddenly during night time, which is happening on some of the planets.  But it is not happening so.  Ozone layer is protecting us from this.  It is not allowing energy on this Earth to move away freely. 

So, there is strong energy base on this Earth.  We are taking existing conditions as base, which is not so correct.  If we take 'base' without energy on this Earth, it will be different.  Basically it is this Energy base that is causing water particles to raise, dust particles to move sharply.  "Climate" appearing before us is due to this Energy base only.  Here rotation of Earth has no influence on all this.

Suppose let us presume that there is no energy base on this Earth, things will act differently.  If we burn firewood small amount of energy coming out into the open area moves out freely and it causes no radiation at all.  For that if we switch on an Electric Bulb, electrons moves out freely unabated and causes no radiation.

As a matter of fact, if we detonate an atom bomb, small amount of energy released there from moves out freely. 

Here in all these things Energy base is aiding them.  Ok, let us see how it works.

Ok, let us see, if an atom bomb releases 20 mega tons of energy where it is coming from.  Actually it is not packed within atoms.  Small amount of energy coming from the atoms due to detonation/destruction, pushes or creates pressure on the existing Energy base.  It causes radiation within that area.  In fact total 20 mega tons of energy is not coming from the atoms. 

In the case of Electrical bulb also, small amount of energy coming from the bulb, pushes energy base.  The more push, the more radiation and light.

Yours
Psreddy

Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 21/01/2019 00:34:59
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 22/01/2019 06:07:45
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
Thus betraying the fact that you have as much understanding of the subject as Donald Trump. 
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 22/01/2019 06:35:49
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/65/Cherry-Picking
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 22/01/2019 17:08:39
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
Thus betraying the fact that you have as much understanding of the subject as Donald Trump. 
I thought  this was the naked >SCIENTISTS<, ie ones who look at the data and make logically sound arguments based on research and experimentation ? Rather than just shouting people down on the internet. It is a forum of ideas not, and I use the asterisks very deliberatley, a s**t throwing platform ? There are plenty of areas on the web for biggotted, unreasoning statements lacking any evidence for the weight of argument for people to go and just make inflamitory statements for their own necessity.

Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/65/Cherry-Picking
https://www.hirestation.co.uk/tool-hire/Access/Cherry-Picker-Hire/
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 22/01/2019 17:54:51
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
Thus betraying the fact that you have as much understanding of the subject as Donald Trump. 
I thought  this was the naked >SCIENTISTS<, ie ones who look at the data and make logically sound arguments based on research and experimentation ? Rather than just shouting people down on the internet. It is a forum of ideas not, and I use the asterisks very deliberatley, a s**t throwing platform ? There are plenty of areas on the web for biggotted, unreasoning statements lacking any evidence for the weight of argument for people to go and just make inflamitory statements for their own necessity.

Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/65/Cherry-Picking
https://www.hirestation.co.uk/tool-hire/Access/Cherry-Picker-Hire/
But the point is that you are cherry picking data. The clue is in the name global warming, with the first word being operative - not European warming, or local warming etc. You talk about cooling as if this invalidates global warming when the cooling you mention is localised. Hence my comparison to Trump. You also do not cite any sources with regard to 'long term sustained snow in Europe' or indeed mention temperatures - only precipitation. Therefore, my comparison stands.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 22/01/2019 21:03:30
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
Thus betraying the fact that you have as much understanding of the subject as Donald Trump. 
I thought  this was the naked >SCIENTISTS<, ie ones who look at the data and make logically sound arguments based on research and experimentation ? Rather than just shouting people down on the internet. It is a forum of ideas not, and I use the asterisks very deliberatley, a s**t throwing platform ? There are plenty of areas on the web for biggotted, unreasoning statements lacking any evidence for the weight of argument for people to go and just make inflamitory statements for their own necessity.

Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/65/Cherry-Picking
https://www.hirestation.co.uk/tool-hire/Access/Cherry-Picker-Hire/
But the point is that you are cherry picking data. The clue is in the name global warming, with the first word being operative - not European warming, or local warming etc. You talk about cooling as if this invalidates global warming when the cooling you mention is localised. Hence my comparison to Trump. You also do not cite any sources with regard to 'long term sustained snow in Europe' or indeed mention temperatures - only precipitation. Therefore, my comparison stands.
Let me put it in terms that will better illustrate the positions

1) i do not talk at all of cooling as a) localised or b) as if it invalitates such and such.

2).- -... ... - .-. .- -.-. - / -- . ... ... .- --. . ... / .-- .. - .... / -. --- / -... .- ... .. ... / .- .-. . / -. --- - / -- .. -. . / - --- / - .-. .- -. ... .-.. .- .

3) nuhhuh you're Trump

4) I dont post on what its like to be an indiginous south american indian as i am not very well up on it. If I did stray into such territory I would be wary of telling anyone about being aformentioned person. Same with global cooling.

5) hithero incompence hippo green ethereal
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 22/01/2019 21:35:29
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
Thus betraying the fact that you have as much understanding of the subject as Donald Trump. 
I thought  this was the naked >SCIENTISTS<, ie ones who look at the data and make logically sound arguments based on research and experimentation ? Rather than just shouting people down on the internet. It is a forum of ideas not, and I use the asterisks very deliberatley, a s**t throwing platform ? There are plenty of areas on the web for biggotted, unreasoning statements lacking any evidence for the weight of argument for people to go and just make inflamitory statements for their own necessity.

Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/65/Cherry-Picking
https://www.hirestation.co.uk/tool-hire/Access/Cherry-Picker-Hire/
But the point is that you are cherry picking data. The clue is in the name global warming, with the first word being operative - not European warming, or local warming etc. You talk about cooling as if this invalidates global warming when the cooling you mention is localised. Hence my comparison to Trump. You also do not cite any sources with regard to 'long term sustained snow in Europe' or indeed mention temperatures - only precipitation. Therefore, my comparison stands.
Let me put it in terms that will better illustrate the positions

1) i do not talk at all of cooling as a) localised or b) as if it invalitates such and such.

2).- -... ... - .-. .- -.-. - / -- . ... ... .- --. . ... / .-- .. - .... / -. --- / -... .- ... .. ... / .- .-. . / -. --- - / -- .. -. . / - --- / - .-. .- -. ... .-.. .- .

3) nuhhuh you're Trump

4) I dont post on what its like to be an indiginous south american indian as i am not very well up on it. If I did stray into such territory I would be wary of telling anyone about being aformentioned person. Same with global cooling.

5) hithero incompence hippo green ethereal
So when asked for evidence to back up your claim, your response is to post idiotic nonsense? Great work.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 23/01/2019 03:50:39
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
Thus betraying the fact that you have as much understanding of the subject as Donald Trump. 
I thought  this was the naked >SCIENTISTS<, ie ones who look at the data and make logically sound arguments based on research and experimentation ? Rather than just shouting people down on the internet. It is a forum of ideas not, and I use the asterisks very deliberatley, a s**t throwing platform ? There are plenty of areas on the web for biggotted, unreasoning statements lacking any evidence for the weight of argument for people to go and just make inflamitory statements for their own necessity.

Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/65/Cherry-Picking
https://www.hirestation.co.uk/tool-hire/Access/Cherry-Picker-Hire/
But the point is that you are cherry picking data. The clue is in the name global warming, with the first word being operative - not European warming, or local warming etc. You talk about cooling as if this invalidates global warming when the cooling you mention is localised. Hence my comparison to Trump. You also do not cite any sources with regard to 'long term sustained snow in Europe' or indeed mention temperatures - only precipitation. Therefore, my comparison stands.

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do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump

From

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20pull%20a%20Trump
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 23/01/2019 12:33:32
do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
Interesting argument. Your original question was:
'Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change'
This is hardly a simple yes/no question if it is predicated on your assertion that we had 'long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change' is it?
To answer that question we have to accept your assertion do we not?
To accept your assertion it is reasonable to request evidence is it not? I mean, after all, you did later in the thread state that:

'I thought  this was the naked >SCIENTISTS<, ie ones who look at the data and make logically sound arguments based on research and experimentation ?'

I therefore requested evidence - after all if you have a logically sound argument, you should have no problem finding this based on 'research and experimentation' should you?

Rather bizarrely, you accuse me of demagoguery which is defined as:

'political activity or practices that seek support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.'

This definition rather reflects what you are doing  as you appear so unwilling to provide evidence but merely make assertions in the hope that you may appeal to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people...
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 23/01/2019 14:40:28
https://www.englishforums.com/English/HidingInPlainSight/vvphr/post.htmo

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20pull%20a%20Trump

Or perhaps a very very bad case

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 23/01/2019 16:10:26
https://www.englishforums.com/English/HidingInPlainSight/vvphr/post.htmo

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20pull%20a%20Trump

Or perhaps a very very bad case

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


So what you are saying is that you have absolutely no evidence for your assertion?
Instead you try to link to websites that provide a definition of 'throwing a Trump' when in fact that is what you are doing by making claims that are not backed up by evidence. As he would say. Sad.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/01/2019 21:27:43
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
No
I have not wondered about it, because I understand, at least some of, the science involved.

I recognise that, just because some places are cooling at some times of years, that does not mean that the planet as a whole is warming.
In fact, I see that global warming may easily lead to local cooling. Where I live, the gulf stream does a pretty good job of keeping the place warm.
But the mechanisms that drive it may be brought to a halt by global warming.

Donald Trump, as far as I can tell from what he says, does not realise that distinction.
Of course, it's possible that  he does understand it but lies with a view to getting votes and support for his short termist policies.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 24/01/2019 04:37:30
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
No
I have not wondered about it, because I understand, at least some of, the science involved.

I recognise that, just because some places are cooling at some times of years, that does not mean that the planet as a whole is warming.
In fact, I see that global warming may easily lead to local cooling. Where I live, the gulf stream does a pretty good job of keeping the place warm.
But the mechanisms that drive it may be brought to a halt by global warming.

Donald Trump, as far as I can tell from what he says, does not realise that distinction.
Of course, it's possible that  he does understand it but lies with a view to getting votes and support for his short termist policies.

do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump

From

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20pull%20a%20Trump
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 24/01/2019 09:56:45
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
No
I have not wondered about it, because I understand, at least some of, the science involved.

I recognise that, just because some places are cooling at some times of years, that does not mean that the planet as a whole is warming.
In fact, I see that global warming may easily lead to local cooling. Where I live, the gulf stream does a pretty good job of keeping the place warm.
But the mechanisms that drive it may be brought to a halt by global warming.

Donald Trump, as far as I can tell from what he says, does not realise that distinction.
Of course, it's possible that  he does understand it but lies with a view to getting votes and support for his short termist policies.

do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump

From

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20pull%20a%20Trump
So by idiotically reposting your nonsense reply from earlier, you are admitting you are making it up.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 24/01/2019 17:19:58
do dodge a simple yes/no question

He didn't dodge it, he answered with a "no".
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 24/01/2019 18:37:52
do dodge a simple yes/no question

He didn't dodge it, he answered with a "no".

He answered with a written 'no', and then went on to dicuss it in a trumpesque fashion of a political manovering about the question.

do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump


And then Kryptid took his side

And then petrochemicals typed a reply
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 24/01/2019 19:30:28
do dodge a simple yes/no question

He didn't dodge it, he answered with a "no".

He answered with a written 'no', and then went on to dicuss it in a trumpesque fashion of a political manovering about the question.

do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump


And then Kryptid took his side

And then petrochemicals typed a reply

You obviously do not understand the meaning of the word demagoguery and/or you are just trolling. He made valid points with regard to your evidence free assertion.

Evidence please.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 24/01/2019 20:40:15
He answered with a written 'no'

So you admit that he did, in fact, answer it.

and then went on to dicuss it in a trumpesque fashion of a political manovering about the question.

How so? He explained it in a very to the point manner: cooling in one part of the globe doesn't say anything about the temperature trends of the globe as a whole. How is there anything political about that explanation?
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/01/2019 21:04:23
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
No
I have not wondered about it, because I understand, at least some of, the science involved.

I recognise that, just because some places are cooling at some times of years, that does not mean that the planet as a whole is warming.
In fact, I see that global warming may easily lead to local cooling. Where I live, the gulf stream does a pretty good job of keeping the place warm.
But the mechanisms that drive it may be brought to a halt by global warming.

Donald Trump, as far as I can tell from what he says, does not realise that distinction.
Of course, it's possible that  he does understand it but lies with a view to getting votes and support for his short termist policies.

do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump

From

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20pull%20a%20Trump
Why did you lie about me?

It certainly doesn't make you look good.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 00:26:47
hithero incompence hippo green ethereal

Trump. 
I thought  this was the naked >SCIENTISTS<, ie ones who look at the data and make logically sound arguments based on research and experimentation ? Rather than just shouting people down on the internet. It is a forum of ideas not, and I use the asterisks very deliberatley, a s**t throwing platform ?

"simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent"

 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 25/01/2019 00:33:02
I thought  this was the naked >SCIENTISTS<, ie ones who look at the data and make logically sound arguments based on research and experimentation ?

Okay then.

So where is your data?
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 01:04:26
Being as youve asked so nicely,

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11763272/How-Arctic-ice-has-made-fools-of-all-those-poor-warmists.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html

These are easy to find  if you type 'global cooling' into the search. It was actually really big news and i cannot believe you need evidence ?, I cant believe theres not a thread on TNS about it. seems that in 2013 2014 the average temperature dropped.

There where also massive longterm snowfalls across europe, and I believe bad snow in the States, although that seems to be just a little  highter than average.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 25/01/2019 05:47:06
Being as youve asked so nicely,

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11763272/How-Arctic-ice-has-made-fools-of-all-those-poor-warmists.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html

These are easy to find  if you type 'global cooling' into the search. It was actually really big news and i cannot believe you need evidence ?, I cant believe theres not a thread on TNS about it. seems that in 2013 2014 the average temperature dropped.

There where also massive longterm snowfalls across europe, and I believe bad snow in the States, although that seems to be just a little  highter than average.

This is what I was talking about earlier when I said you were cherry-picking. You are looking at only a small fraction of the data (for 2013 and 2014). Climate is subject to random fluctuations from one year to another, which is why it's important to look at trends over a long period of time in order to find any that are there. Since you posted a link to NASA, I presume that means you trust them as a source of reliable information. If that's the case, then you should look at these graphs that examine decades worth of data instead of a few years: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 25/01/2019 13:40:02
There where also massive longterm snowfalls across europe, and I believe bad snow in the States, although that seems to be just a little  highter than average.
Evidence required as per previous requests. 'I believe' is not evidence.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 16:22:19
Being as youve asked so nicely,

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11763272/How-Arctic-ice-has-made-fools-of-all-those-poor-warmists.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html

These are easy to find  if you type 'global cooling' into the search. It was actually really big news and i cannot believe you need evidence ?, I cant believe theres not a thread on TNS about it. seems that in 2013 2014 the average temperature dropped.

There where also massive longterm snowfalls across europe, and I believe bad snow in the States, although that seems to be just a little  highter than average.

This is what I was talking about earlier when I said you were cherry-picking. You are looking at only a small fraction of the data (for 2013 and 2014). Climate is subject to random fluctuations from one year to another, which is why it's important to look at trends over a long period of time in order to find any that are there. Since you posted a link to NASA, I presume that means you trust them as a source of reliable information. If that's the case, then you should look at these graphs that examine decades worth of data instead of a few years: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
And this is what i said about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 25/01/2019 17:23:17
And this is what i said about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

In what way is it confirmation bias?
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 19:35:20
And this is what i said about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

In what way is it confirmation bias?
In a comformation bias way.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 25/01/2019 20:08:59
In a comformation bias way.

That seems to imply that not even you know what you mean. Otherwise, you'd be able to elaborate.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 21:58:24
In a comformation bias way.

That seems to imply that not even you know what you mean. Otherwise, you'd be able to elaborate.
It cannot

"Seem to imply" it either implys or does not. It would not imply anything n this context anyway, other than the very obvious impication that you are asking the obvious
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 25/01/2019 22:05:59
It cannot

"Seem to imply" it either implys or does not. It would not imply anything n this context anyway, other than the very obvious impication that you are asking the obvious

The only way I can see confirmation bias applying would be if only the data supporting one conclusion was put into the graphs while all other data was intentionally left out. That, however, sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 23:12:09
In that case it is a certain statement , that you are so sure of your version of global warming, that you omit problematic data like a period of 5 years that had a certain and outlined cooling. This is not sun spots and not el nino as for 30 years here in the uk we had no snowfall in the midst of global warming, and then suddenly we have 5 years of cooling. I think you are unwilling to accept that this is quite a significant event. I am sure that you have heard of snowball earth and how global warming could lead to global cooling and a new ice age.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 25/01/2019 23:30:13
In that case it is a certain statement , that you are so sure of your version of global warming

What do you think my version of global warming is?

that you omit problematic data like a period of 5 years that had a certain and outlined cooling.

Are you talking about the period roughly from 2010 to 2015? That data is not omitted from the NASA graphs. Look at the "Monthly Mean Global Surface Temperature" graph. It does indeed show a decrease in average temperature relative to the spike right at 2010. Then during 2016, we get another big jump in temperature that's higher than any other previous years and it has remained higher on average than that relatively cool period ever since then.

This is not sun spots and not el nino as for 30 years here in the uk we had no snowfall in the midst of global warming, and then suddenly we have 5 years of cooling. I think you are unwilling to accept that this is quite a significant event.

Significant? Sure. Does it mean global warming isn't happening? No.

I am sure that you have heard of snowball earth and how global warming could lead to global cooling and a new ice age.

I have, and such a thing could happen eventually given the right conditions. So far, however, the temperatures keep marching higher. In either case (a great warming or a great cooling), there could be potentially devastating impacts on ecosystems and human life.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 23:57:08
Significant? Sure.
This seems rather a change of tack from your and others earlier posts
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/65/Cherry-Picking
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/01/2019 00:48:34
Why did you lie about me?
Still waiting for a reply...
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/01/2019 00:50:00
This seems rather a change of tack from your and others earlier posts
Only if you cherry pick it out of context.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 26/01/2019 00:56:01
There where also massive longterm snowfalls across europe, and I believe bad snow in the States, although that seems to be just a little  highter than average.
Evidence required as per previous requests. 'I believe' is not evidence.
Still waiting for evidence
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 26/01/2019 06:02:24
This seems rather a change of tack from your and others earlier posts

Not if you had included the sentence that I wrote immediately after it...
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: pasala on 26/01/2019 14:09:13
Friends
Please come out from this and let us go for a worthy discussion.

Thank you
Yours
Psreddy
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Kryptid on 26/01/2019 21:02:58
Friends
Please come out from this and let us go for a worthy discussion.

Thank you
Yours
Psreddy

What would you consider a worthy discussion to be?
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 27/01/2019 16:07:39
Perhaps the lit cigarette is due consideration within the refrigeration and gas laws of the house, rather than just stating that the temerature will increace. Perhaps the pressure increaces, perhaps the volume decreaces, perhaps the extra energy leads to increaced evapouration, leading to the temperature staying the same but pressure rising ? Take your pick.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: pasala on 24/02/2019 13:35:47
I am sure basic concept is different.  It is not the cigar main point to be focused.  Ok, let us suppose that there is a Earth shape wood which catched fire.  Initially fire cools at the edges of the either side, slowly it moves to centre and stays there for quite long period.  Similar thing is happening in the case of Earth only. 

Energy released by Earth may be very small when compared to Sun, but here it plays key role.  Suppose if there is no Energy from Earth which resists hydrosphere, during night time temperature will drop upto -120 to -140 degrees.  Similarly during day time, as the hydrosphere moves to other side, dramatically temperature will rise upto +120 to +140 degrees.
Yours
Psreddy 
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/02/2019 13:49:51
I am sure basic concept is different.  It is not the cigar main point to be focused.  Ok, let us suppose that there is a Earth shape wood which catched fire.  Initially fire cools at the edges of the either side, slowly it moves to centre and stays there for quite long period.  Similar thing is happening in the case of Earth only. 

Energy released by Earth may be very small when compared to Sun, but here it plays key role.  Suppose if there is no Energy from Earth which resists hydrosphere, during night time temperature will drop upto -120 to -140 degrees.  Similarly during day time, as the hydrosphere moves to other side, dramatically temperature will rise upto +120 to +140 degrees.
Yours
Psreddy 
Did you think that meant something?
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: yor_on on 28/02/2019 00:49:32
Sorry

Fail
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 02/03/2019 04:09:36
If wood catches fire it releases alot 9f water into the building. This water vapour being a refrigerant and a greenhouse gas, it reflects heat back into the room insulating it,  which means the room becomes hotter and the fire faster.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: pasala on 03/03/2019 05:37:10
If wood catches fire it releases alot 9f water into the building. This water vapour being a refrigerant and a greenhouse gas, it reflects heat back into the room insulating it,  which means the room becomes hotter and the fire faster.
This is an example how Earth started cooling and paved way for spacetime. I am sure and i believe in big bang theory.  Similarly as in the case of Earth shape wood, Earth started cooling from the corners, paving the way for climate, atmosphere and finally human existence.  So, initially human existence started from the North and South poles only and end at the middle.

Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 03/03/2019 15:13:26
If wood catches fire it releases alot 9f water into the building. This water vapour being a refrigerant and a greenhouse gas, it reflects heat back into the room insulating it,  which means the room becomes hotter and the fire faster.
This is an example how Earth started cooling and paved way for spacetime. I am sure and i believe in big bang theory.  Similarly as in the case of Earth shape wood, Earth started cooling from the corners, paving the way for climate, atmosphere and finally human existence.  So, initially human existence started from the North and South poles only and end at the middle.


What does that nonsense even mean?
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: pasala on 03/03/2019 15:22:46
CREATION OF ENERGY BASE:
Once our earth is also a ball of fire only.  Due to heavy concentration of hydrosphere it rained for quiet long period and earth started cooling.  Initially it started cooling from poles and paved way for nature.  Strong hydrosphere paved way for creation of "ENERGY BASE" on this earth.  Certain amount of energy permanently remained on this earth.  We are all living in this and this can compared to mother's womb which gives far better protection than anything.

While calculating GLOBAL WARMING we must keep in mind about this energy base.  Without any idea about this, any calculations misleads us.  Impact of global warming can be divided into two periods, short and long.
Tried to explain this, a sense on non
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 03/03/2019 16:40:58
CREATION OF ENERGY BASE:
Once our earth is also a ball of fire only.  Due to heavy concentration of hydrosphere it rained for quiet long period and earth started cooling.  Initially it started cooling from poles and paved way for nature.  Strong hydrosphere paved way for creation of "ENERGY BASE" on this earth.  Certain amount of energy permanently remained on this earth.  We are all living in this and this can compared to mother's womb which gives far better protection than anything.

While calculating GLOBAL WARMING we must keep in mind about this energy base.  Without any idea about this, any calculations misleads us.  Impact of global warming can be divided into two periods, short and long.
Tried to explain this, a sense on non
Trying to explain nonsense with more inarticulate nonsense does not help.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: pasala on 03/03/2019 17:26:25
CREATION OF ENERGY BASE:
Once our earth is also a ball of fire only.  Due to heavy concentration of hydrosphere it rained for quiet long period and earth started cooling.  Initially it started cooling from poles and paved way for nature.  Strong hydrosphere paved way for creation of "ENERGY BASE" on this earth.  Certain amount of energy permanently remained on this earth.  We are all living in this and this can compared to mother's womb which gives far better protection than anything.

While calculating GLOBAL WARMING we must keep in mind about this energy base.  Without any idea about this, any calculations misleads us.  Impact of global warming can be divided into two periods, short and long.
Tried to explain this, a sense on non
Trying to explain nonsense with more inarticulate nonsense does not help.
May not be so good to cross a line of sense
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: The Spoon on 03/03/2019 20:32:43
CREATION OF ENERGY BASE:
Once our earth is also a ball of fire only.  Due to heavy concentration of hydrosphere it rained for quiet long period and earth started cooling.  Initially it started cooling from poles and paved way for nature.  Strong hydrosphere paved way for creation of "ENERGY BASE" on this earth.  Certain amount of energy permanently remained on this earth.  We are all living in this and this can compared to mother's womb which gives far better protection than anything.

While calculating GLOBAL WARMING we must keep in mind about this energy base.  Without any idea about this, any calculations misleads us.  Impact of global warming can be divided into two periods, short and long.
Tried to explain this, a sense on non
Trying to explain nonsense with more inarticulate nonsense does not help.
May not be so good to cross a line of sense
Ah I see. You are just trolling then.
Title: Re: What is global warming?
Post by: pasala on 04/03/2019 05:57:42
Ah I see. You are just trolling then.
Mr The spoon,
I am sure and it appears that you have excellent knowledge and for that i would like to congratulate you. 

Ok, let me tell you, you have used only one word, but our teachers used several words at the early school days.  When the teacher lighted a candle and closed it by glass and when the fire put off, he started explaining how things need oxygen to burn.  Immediately, i asked the teacher, why don't you think a glass is coming in between and obstructing burning of things.  Teacher explained, if you measure the gases inside the glass, you will get the answer.  For that, i argued, once again there is fire even after you close the glass and therefore other gases have increased. I need not tell you, what happens thereafter.

In the case of global warming, leaving other things, we are switching off lights to reduce global warming.  Is this true, lighting increases global warming.  Here we are not producing any electrons, we are drawing them from the open area, making them to flow to far away place, using them in lighting.  We are drawing them from open area and again leaving them into open area.