# Naked Science Forum

## General Science => General Science => Topic started by: imetheman on 19/09/2016 23:54:30

Title: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: imetheman on 19/09/2016 23:54:30
Hi.

I believe I may be the first person to comment on the following subject as I can find no reference to it anywhere else.

The subject relates to an alternative model on the interpretation of the true nature of reality. However, the whole model falls apart if the following observation is proved as being incorrect.

The model can differentiate between the movement of the coordinates of inanimate matter in 3 dimensional space and that of living ( and moving) organisms within that same 3-D space.

The model highlights an event which occurs only within the matter of living organisms moving within 3-D space. And by 'within' I mean an area with a volume of 1 Planck Sphere in diameter. The model postulates that an 'area' of that size cannot exist in our own relative particular 3-D space.

The Planck unit of time represents a moment when nothing can be known of the Planck length coordinate in the intervening time between starting the Planck stopwatch and the moment we stop the watch (at the moment the  coordinate has moved a distance of 1 Planck length).  When we stop the watch, we can entirely predict the position & state of every inanimate particle of matter at it's / their new coordinate in the 4 dimensional spacetime.

We do not possess that same predictability about the future position of the coordinates of living matter however. Moreover, there is an event which occurs at a distance of 1 Planck length and which can only occur uniquely  within that of living matter moving in 3-D space.

This event occurs when a [particle of matter] coordinate of a living organism is moving in a particular direction trajectory in 3-D space at any given moment. After a period of 1 Planck stopwatch unit of time, the coordinate of living matter meets itself coming back at 180 degrees in the opposite direction. The degree of tolerance from a perfect infinite 180 degree opposite trajectory is 1 Planck length.

This situation of a 180 degree returning of a particle of matter back to the coordinate it occupied 1 Planck unit ago, does not exist in the natural movement of inanimate matter in 3- D space. It appears to exist in living matter however.

It is only through the application of the conscious free will of the living organism choosing to move a coordinate/particle of it's body in entirely the opposite direction that this event occurs at all.

I would appreciate to know if any part of this observation is incorrect.
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: alancalverd on 21/09/2016 00:35:24
Brownian motion applies to all objects at the atomic scale or above.

Heisenberg indeterminacy applies to all objects and dominates below the atomic scale.
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: David Reichard on 21/09/2016 05:16:49
Brownian motion applies to all objects at the atomic scale or above.

Heisenberg indeterminacy applies to all objects and dominates below the atomic scale.
A diagram would greatly aid my poor mind here.That said it's the same thing bothering me about smaller and smaller sections under a curve.At the Planck length, it's indeterminate.We can use a stated co-ordinate,but its location is not known with certainty,and apparently smears out into probabilities.The problem to me is the difference between real physicality and a virtual mental concept of exact location or size.Life as we know it is a phenomenon of interacting compounds and energy.When it moves,it gets where it's going,one Planck length at a time,all of which are added as a resultant.Can you clarify your exact question about life's movement?
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: alancalverd on 21/09/2016 08:38:23
I can do no better than quote Wikipedia

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There is currently no proven physical significance of the Planck length

Since is it about 10^-20 of the diameter of a proton, the indeterminacy of any atom, let alone a molecule, far exceeds it. Stuff doesn't move by Planck increments.
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: imetheman on 22/09/2016 03:17:16
The model of reality which I am postulating states that the expansion of 3-D space is infinite and perpetual. Within that infinite 3-D space  there exists an infinity of separate, unique and individual physical universes including our own. Each universe remains separate from every other by virtue of being constructed from their own unique relative Planck constant frequency. Everything which exists in any given physical universe [including the relative EM spectrum] is therefore based on multiples of the harmonic resonances of the mother Planck frequency.

Each physical universe therefore occupies it's own individually constructed 3-D space in it's own particular 1 Planck frequency and does not infringe or interfere with any other physical universe. No information can therefore be exchanged between any 2 separate physical universes.

The model states that the natural rest state of the universe as a whole is one of total equilibrium. The creation of matter throughout the universe is as a by-product of the process which occurs when the perpetual expansion (movement) of 3-D space disrupts the equilibrium of a Lagrangian point.  The natural tendency of the universe is to instantaneously snap back to a state of equilibrium when the latter has been corrupted.

The model states that all matter is recreated moment to moment in 1 Planck increments within that infinitely expanding 3-D space.

The model makes a significant differentiation between even the smallest particle of matter and a coordinate. Matter exists only because of  the pre-existence of the expansion/movement of 3-D space. It exists in time because of the expansion of space. Matter is a by product of the existence of 4-D space-time.

A coordinate on the other hand is at any given 'frozen' moment, fundamentally a Lagrangian coordinate in a static 3 dimensional space. A 'Lagrangian' zero point represents a coordinate which is in perfect equilibrium with the static 3 D framework of all of space. A 'frozen' moment is defined as the intervening time between which 2 coordinates move a distance of 1 relative Planck length. A Lagrangian moment has a lifespan which dependant on how long it takes for a 3rd force to dislodge it from perfect equilibrium to another geodesic.  During that Lagrangian moment however, the coordinate exists in perfect equilibrium with every other Lagrangian coordinate in our known universe. A  coordinate is represented by notional perfect sphere with a diameter of 1 Planck length.

It is evident that GR is incapable of recognising the universal equilibrium which exists in a Planck sphere or Lagrangian point in 3-D space . Inanimate matter existing in 4-D space-time conforms with the laws of GR and is entirely predictable. The future position of the coordinates of a Living organism which is  continually moving in an indeterminate manner in 4-d space-time on the other hand is entirely unpredictable. The laws of GR applies only to the laws of motion which dictates the position and trajectory of inanimate matter in 4-D space.

The model states that matter, time, 3-D space and physical reality expands radially outward from the centre of any given 1 Planck diameter sphere in increments of spheres of increasing diameters of 1 Planck length.

The important point is that in any given Planck unit of time, the coordinate exists in perfect equilibrium. It is only after a relative movement of 1 Planck length between any 2 coordinates that the movement is registered by the initiation of the subsequent correction process.

The coordinates of an inanimate pen lying on a table exists within a particular geodesic sphere which surrounds the earth. Whilst it continues to orbit the centre of the Earth (at the rate dictated by the rate of rotation of the surface of the Earth around it's centre), the coordinates of the pen do not corrupt any part of the particular Lagrangian geodesic sphere. Whilst the pen remains undisturbed at it's present position within the particular geodesic of the Earth, it requires zero energy for the  coordinates of the pen to traverse the geodesic whilst the rotation of the Earth remains constant. That is why it just lies there.

The perpetual movement of the coordinates of space causes the Planck equilibrium [natural rest state] to be corrupted.  The degree of the corruption of the natural equilibrium at the Planck scale caused by the perpetual  movement  of the coordinates of 3-D space,  is equal to the amount of energy required in rectifying the corruption in order to re-establish the natural equilibrium.

Because of the perpetual movement of the coordinates, it is therefore impossible for a perfect state of equilibrium [zero exchange of energy] to exist in 4 -D reality.  It is however theoretically possible for a Lagrangian equilibrium  to exist in a static 3 – D framework.

Given that 1 Planck length does not exist in time or space, the universe snaps back instantaneously to it's natural rest state of equilibrium when the movement between any 2 coordinates exceeds 1 Planck length.

The difference between inanimate & animate living matter is that after a movement of 1 PL  the former will certainly occupy a new coordinate in the 4-D framework whilst the latter will occasionally occupy the same coordinate in the same 4-D frame.

I invite any conjecture as to what may occur when a fundamental particle of living matter occupies the same coordinate in 3-d space after  a period of 1 Planck length of movement?
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: David Reichard on 22/09/2016 20:38:46
What distinguishes living matter from inanimate matter?Could physicians use this to determine death?
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: puppypower on 26/09/2016 12:14:19
What distinguishes living matter from inanimate matter?Could physicians use this to determine death?

Living matter increases its structural energy value and lowers structural entropy. The operative term is structural. Inanimate matter goes the other way.

For example, if we look at a tree, as it grows bigger, more and more atoms of CO2 and H2O, become ordered into integrated structure; lowers entropy of the starting atoms. As the tree grows will can get more and more energy, if we burn the growing tree. After the tree dies and it becomes inanimate, it starts to disintegrate; entropy increase, and its energy value decreases.
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: David Reichard on 29/09/2016 02:05:17
I can do no better than quote Wikipedia

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There is currently no proven physical significance of the Planck length

Since is it about 10^-20 of the diameter of a proton, the indeterminacy of any atom, let alone a molecule, far exceeds it. Stuff doesn't move by Planck increments.
[So,is there an example of living material moving only one Planck length?
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: chiralSPO on 29/09/2016 02:25:07
What distinguishes living matter from inanimate matter?Could physicians use this to determine death?

Living matter increases its structural energy value and lowers structural entropy. The operative term is structural. Inanimate matter goes the other way.

For example, if we look at a tree, as it grows bigger, more and more atoms of CO2 and H2O, become ordered into integrated structure; lowers entropy of the starting atoms. As the tree grows will can get more and more energy, if we burn the growing tree. After the tree dies and it becomes inanimate, it starts to disintegrate; entropy increase, and its energy value decreases.

I think this definition is incomplete. Crystallization from a liquid or solution also leads to a local decrease in entropy--no life required.
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: Atkhenaken on 29/09/2016 04:44:38
Hi.

I believe I may be the first person to comment on the following subject as I can find no reference to it anywhere else.

The subject relates to an alternative model on the interpretation of the true nature of reality. However, the whole model falls apart if the following observation is proved as being incorrect.

The model can differentiate between the movement of the coordinates of inanimate matter in 3 dimensional space and that of living ( and moving) organisms within that same 3-D space.

The model highlights an event which occurs only within the matter of living organisms moving within 3-D space. And by 'within' I mean an area with a volume of 1 Planck Sphere in diameter. The model postulates that an 'area' of that size cannot exist in our own relative particular 3-D space.

The Planck unit of time represents a moment when nothing can be known of the Planck length coordinate in the intervening time between starting the Planck stopwatch and the moment we stop the watch (at the moment the  coordinate has moved a distance of 1 Planck length).  When we stop the watch, we can entirely predict the position & state of every inanimate particle of matter at it's / their new coordinate in the 4 dimensional spacetime.

We do not possess that same predictability about the future position of the coordinates of living matter however. Moreover, there is an event which occurs at a distance of 1 Planck length and which can only occur uniquely  within that of living matter moving in 3-D space.

This event occurs when a [particle of matter] coordinate of a living organism is moving in a particular direction trajectory in 3-D space at any given moment. After a period of 1 Planck stopwatch unit of time, the coordinate of living matter meets itself coming back at 180 degrees in the opposite direction. The degree of tolerance from a perfect infinite 180 degree opposite trajectory is 1 Planck length.

This situation of a 180 degree returning of a particle of matter back to the coordinate it occupied 1 Planck unit ago, does not exist in the natural movement of inanimate matter in 3- D space. It appears to exist in living matter however.

It is only through the application of the conscious free will of the living organism choosing to move a coordinate/particle of it's body in entirely the opposite direction that this event occurs at all.

I would appreciate to know if any part of this observation is incorrect.

The whole lot is incorrect. That is only because you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. lol!
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: evan_au on 29/09/2016 12:28:30
Quote from: David Reichard
What distinguishes living matter from inanimate matter?Could physicians use this to determine death?
If you listen to "The Infinite Monkey Cage" podcast with physicist Prof. Brian Cox, you will hear a long-running debate about whether a strawberry is dead (or not).

I don't think they have resolved it to everyone's satisfaction...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00snr0w/episodes/guide

PS: They do deal with a lot more serious questions with more success - but it is a comedy series...
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: imetheman on 30/09/2016 16:40:51
'The whole lot is incorrect. That is only because you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. lol!' Athenican.

The only possible response left therefore is that I reiterate what I have already stated. I can respond better if you choose at least 1 thing you disagree with. This will give me the opportunity to explain why you are mistaken.

'[So,is there an example of living material moving only one Planck length?' David Reichard.

The movement of all living organisms through 3- D space occurs in increments of 1 Planck length. If you fix the position of a coordinate of living material as it is moving in a particular velocity through 3-D space and start your Planck moment stopwatch, when you stop the watch after a period of 1 Planck moment, the coordinate will have adopted a new position in 4- D space. Is it accurate to say that in the intervening 1 Planck moment, that the coordinate has stopped moving in the trajectory it was moving?
Title: Re: Am I the 1st person to notice this phenomenon of living matter?
Post by: David Reichard on 01/10/2016 03:32:04
'The whole lot is incorrect. That is only because you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. lol!' Athenican.

The only possible response left therefore is that I reiterate what I have already stated. I can respond better if you choose at least 1 thing you disagree with. This will give me the opportunity to explain why you are mistaken.

'[So,is there an example of living material moving only one Planck length?' David Reichard.

The movement of all living organisms through 3- D space occurs in increments of 1 Planck length. If you fix the position of a coordinate of living material as it is moving in a particular velocity through 3-D space and start your Planck moment stopwatch, when you stop the watch after a period of 1 Planck moment, the coordinate will have adopted a new position in 4- D space. Is it accurate to say that in the intervening 1 Planck moment, that the coordinate has stopped moving in the trajectory it was moving?
It would be highly interesting,if we could fix the coordinate and if we had a Planck stopwatch,to move some living matter and then move it the same,once it was definitely dead.This might show up a difference which would reveal your property of living matter.Perhaps using a recently picked strawberry would suffice.In 4-D space,I believe at least there would be some difference in the times of occurrence of the test sequences.Apparently,something cannot be both dead and alive at the same time.Realistically,could some form of sub-atomic particle illumination be used to detect infinitesimal motions in the living matter?Since it's probably always in motion internally,anyway,due to random motion and biological processes,that looks to be very difficult.A very short-lived illumination would have to be used,to provide a stop-motion effect.Perhaps laser pulses?