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Title: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: Pseudoscience-is-malarkey on 26/10/2016 08:24:57
On youtube I watched three documentaries that argue (or perhaps strongly insinuate) that stupidity is on the rise. Two of the documentaries are British, the third one Canadian. I take strong issue with them.

In the developed world, IQ scores have been going up, on average, three points every decade since the early 20th century. The tests, of course, gets updated and renormed every generation or so, pushing the average score back to 100. A person of average intelligence today would have registered a full two standard deviations higher a century ago, giving him a "very superior" score of 130. We're getting smarter. A lot cuddling  smarter. Illiteracy is almost non-existent in the developed, industrial world. Since the 18th century, every generation in the industrial world has produced (percentagewise) more and more people attaining literacy, and receiving high school & college diplomas. Scientific knowledge keeps increasing at unfathomable speeds, reducing superstition in favor of practicality.

These documentaries do not touch on the more under-developed parts of the world. They want us to think that stupidity is primarily caused by industrialisation or something. I take a contrary view. Industrialization, despite the moral problems it sometimes generates, has, like the Enlightenment, has created a more informed society.

How about a scene in these "stupidity documentaries" of fishermen in Malaysia getting even with sharks by shoving sea urchins down their throats? Or adulterers and homosexuals getting stoned to death in Iran, or Nepalese soldiers performing a rite of passage by dressing up in women's clothing; or cattle beheaded by an African tribe for ritualistic purposes rather than for food; or how about a clip of the Venezuelan government saying that the U.S. government causes earthquakes; How about how the caste system is still practised throughout rural India? Or how 99% of North Koreans believe their leader doesn't defecate?
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: RD on 26/10/2016 09:15:46
Re: Is stupidity rising??

The number of people who want a president Trump is evidence that is the case.
He's a boorish ignoramus who, in real terms, has lost about half his muti-billion dollar inheritance (http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/).
Why would any rational person want him in charge of their country ?

...99% of North Koreans believe their leader doesn't defecate?

Given he is far bigger than any of his citizens that might be true :)

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkimjongunlookingatthings.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2Fkim-jong-un-looking-at-high-heels.jpg&hash=e818374029b8efe257fb4e5834c01a03)
Have you got these in a size 10, extra-wide ?
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: Ethos_ on 29/10/2016 22:51:58
Funny that you should ask that question. As I have grown older, I find myself becoming much less confident regarding my personal intellect. When I was a young man, I was convinced that I couldn't possibly be mistaken about anything.

So to be quite honest about the question, you may be on to something.
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: alancalverd on 30/10/2016 00:16:48
Re: Is stupidity rising??

The number of people who want a president Trump is evidence that is the case.
He's a boorish ignoramus who, in real terms, has lost about half his muti-billion dollar inheritance (http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/).
Why would any rational person want him in charge of their country ?


For the same reason that they elected the drivelling George W Bush, twice.

The star of Bedtime for Bonzo was ineligible as she wasn't born in the USA, so people voted for the other chimp.

By custom and practice, most recent US presidents have been either crooks or idiots. This time, folks, you have a choice!
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: Colin2B on 30/10/2016 00:27:57
Up to a short while ago I would have said no, will I change my mind?

The biggest problem I see is the rise of misinformation and the inability of people to find the correct answer. Politicians do it by oversimplifying complex issues and the internet allows anyone to publish their ideas and be believed.
The problem is how does the average person go about finding the truth.
Following the Paris terrorist attacks there were a number of conspiracy theories and misinformation circulating. French schools started a number of classes in critical thinking, within a few weeks they noticed that when a 'theory' was raised the children themselves were challenging the theorist with "what's your source" "how would you verify that", etc.
Teaching critical thinking and verbal reasoning plus the ability to research original sources should be high on school curricula.
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: tkadm30 on 12/11/2016 10:56:29
The number of people who want a president Trump is evidence that is the case.
He's a boorish ignoramus who, in real terms, has lost about half his muti-billion dollar inheritance (http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/).
Why would any rational person want him in charge of their country ?

Well, I guess a majority of Americans are not that stupid to vote for 4 more years of tyranny.
 
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: Ethos_ on 12/11/2016 15:33:05
The number of people who want a president Trump is evidence that is the case.
He's a boorish ignoramus who, in real terms, has lost about half his muti-billion dollar inheritance (http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/).
Why would any rational person want him in charge of their country ?

Well, I guess a majority of Americans are not that stupid to vote for 4 more years of tyranny.
I'm hearing a loud applause in the background my friend.
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: tkadm30 on 12/11/2016 20:57:53
Stupidity is to use civilians as puppets to make violent riots staged by professional protesters.
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: Ethos_ on 12/11/2016 22:53:23
Stupidity is to use civilians as puppets to make violent riots staged by professional protesters.
It would be interesting to know how many of these protesters actually voted wouldn't it.

Political tolerance seems to only apply to those who happen to agree with their fellow progressives. I suggest that everyone had the opportunity to vote and should accept the results of that vote. Both parties offered the electorate a poor choice, one is a criminal, the other is a loud mouth. It appears the one with the loudest mouth won.

Am I happy with the choice we had? Absolutely not! But my vote was cast in opposition to the criminal that, it strongly appears, would have either sold the USA out from under our feet or simply given it away as a favor to some foreign government.

At least, I voted and am honest enough to detail my reasons for the vote I cast. People don't have to like the results of the election, and frankly, I'm not totally satisfied with the results myself. But for Heaven's sake, I wish everyone would quit acting like spoiled children and deal with it. I'm sick to death with all the whining and moaning going on from both sides, especially coming from those living outside of the US............................enough said.


Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: Colin2B on 13/11/2016 00:09:09
But for Heaven's sake, I wish everyone would quit acting like spoiled children and deal with it. I'm sick to death with all the whining and moaning going on from both sides, especially coming from those living outside of the US............................enough said.
I do agree with you, and with Boris Johnson who says everyone should stop this winge-o-rama.
We have to work with the guy and let's admit it we have worked with far, far worse in the past.
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: yor_on on 02/02/2017 15:38:24
Damn, another question I can't answer. My guess is that people are too busy living to even contemplate others.
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Whether that is a good, or bad thing?
I'll leave that to you to answer.

I don't think it is stupidity though, carelessness maybe?
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: zx16 on 02/02/2017 22:37:38
We all know the answer.  But we dare not say what it is. 
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: Ethos_ on 02/02/2017 23:30:31
We all know the answer.  But we dare not say what it is. 
We're all interested in answers zx16, why not share with us?
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: zx16 on 03/02/2017 00:04:47
Will you report me to the police
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: David Cooper on 17/04/2017 18:03:44
"99% of North Koreans believe their leader doesn't defecate."

99% of North Koreans are right to believe that. The world would be a lot safer if he'd let it all out, so we need to send him laxatives.
Title: Re: Is stupidity rising??
Post by: SeanB on 17/04/2017 18:33:21
Don't think stupidity is rising, just that more are being able to show off the stupid to a worldwide audience, and this gives rise to the apparent increase.

Now, there are some who will do things for short term gain, and education is a sufferer to the inexorability of Pournelles law, and this does have very unfortunate side effects after a few decades of being enforced, leading to things like the United incident, where there was strict following of the rules as written, and no deviation to them at all. Sadly this also applies in education, with all schools being told the pupils are all "above average" and that all are capable of passing at University levle. When the results somehow do not agree then you get things like changing the pass criteria, moderating up all marks, changing the syllabus to be "easier to pass" and doing things like having open book exams with a teacher present teaching the answers, as a test.

Then you get school graduates that are incapable of adding 2 2 digit numbers together without a calculator, and who can barely write out their name at all, and can not read past "the cat sat on the mat" level without help.