# Naked Science Forum

## Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: syhprum on 05/01/2017 01:19:18

Title: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Post by: syhprum on 05/01/2017 01:19:18
This was at one time considered an un answerable question but modern physics enables us to calculate an answer.
If the correct translation of the Greek is used an angel is seen to be a messenger not the Valkyrie like figure we see on our war memorials.
QM tells us that the forces between sub atomic particles are mediated by messenger particles, if we know the energy of these particles surely they can be said to have a size which can be correlated with the area of a pin head

Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: yor_on on 07/01/2017 21:52:43
This one is nice, and I'm slightly disappointed that we've moved so far from an question of this importance?
This is the TNS, not a simple physics site, we take it seriously.
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: zx16 on 07/01/2017 23:57:22
It depends how you define "pin head".  A brass "drawing pin" has a bigger head diameter than a silvery sewing pin.

We need some precision here.
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: syhprum on 17/01/2017 14:36:56
I only asked that the size of the messenger particle be co-related with the area of the pin head, pins come in various sizes as do messenger particles
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: zx16 on 17/01/2017 18:02:00
I only asked that the size of the messenger particle be co-related with the area of the pin head, pins come in various sizes as do messenger particles

Isn't the basic problem this: everyone knows that pinheads really exist. Because everyone has seen an actual pinhead.  In physical,tangible, measurable, physical reality.  Pinheads are real. They can wound you and make your finger bleed.

But your so-called "messenger particles"  aren't the same at all.  They're just mathematical abstractions, which some theoretical physicists have invented, in a praiseworthy attempt to make sense of the Universe.

It's like the "Higg's Boson".  Who really believes that there actually is such a thing?  I bet not many physicists do, at the bottom of their hearts.

How many Higg's Bosons can dance on the head of a 5mm-head brass drawing-pin?

Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/01/2017 21:13:46
Assuming that at least one angel can dance on the head of a pin then arbitrarily many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Not necessarily at the same time and as long as they don't wear it out.
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/01/2017 21:21:23
It's like the "Higg's Boson".  Who really believes that there actually is such a thing?  I bet not many physicists do, at the bottom of their hearts.
At the end of the 18th Century, you could have said that about atoms and been taken seriously by scientists of the day.
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: yor_on on 06/02/2017 02:20:26
Something is there, and it's called a Higgs boson. Then again, there is also 'phonons'. It's actually pretty interesting because it fits a pet-idea of mine :)
That we, the universe, and all, build from the simple to complicated, and the world of ideas is the ultimate result of it, just as real as 'constants'. Actually read a guy involved in both physics and biology as I remember present an idea where 'entropy' more or less demanded life from 'life less' particles. Think I will write about that one later. Just hope I can find the article :)
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: zx16 on 06/02/2017 23:30:47
Something is there, and it's called a Higgs boson. Then again, there is also 'phonons'. It's actually pretty interesting because it fits a pet-idea of mine :)
That we, the universe, and all, build from the simple to complicated, and the world of ideas is the ultimate result of it, just as real as 'constants'. Actually read a guy involved in both physics and biology as I remember present an idea where 'entropy' more or less demanded life from 'life less' particles. Think I will write about that one later. Just hope I can find the article :)

I wish everyone who posted on here was as intelligent as you.  You know there's no such thing as the "Higgs Boson". It's made-up crap.
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/02/2017 19:53:24
Something is there, and it's called a Higgs boson. Then again, there is also 'phonons'. It's actually pretty interesting because it fits a pet-idea of mine :)
That we, the universe, and all, build from the simple to complicated, and the world of ideas is the ultimate result of it, just as real as 'constants'. Actually read a guy involved in both physics and biology as I remember present an idea where 'entropy' more or less demanded life from 'life less' particles. Think I will write about that one later. Just hope I can find the article :)

I wish everyone who posted on here was as intelligent as you.  You know there's no such thing as the "Higgs Boson". It's made-up crap.
And your evidence for saying that is what?
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: Bill S on 08/02/2017 10:41:59
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And your evidence for saying that is what?

One of those angels told him.   :)
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: yor_on on 11/02/2017 16:50:02
How many dimensions?
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/02/2017 19:50:51
How many dimensions?
All of them.
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin
Post by: UY Scuti on 19/05/2017 14:43:10
Well from my vantage point it's 7billion and growing
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Post by: chesterbroadway on 14/03/2019 14:45:49
asd
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Post by: Bill S on 15/03/2019 10:46:13
Hi Chester, welcome.

Who has ASD; the OP, scientists, angels, you.........?

Give us a clue. :)
Title: Re: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Post by: alancalverd on 15/03/2019 12:39:25
Tell me the shoe size of an angel, and I'll answer the question in a few seconds.