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Title: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 26/08/2017 14:07:54
I have tried in vein to have conversation and to make corrections to science where it is incorrect.  However I am seemingly up against it and the odds are not in my favour discussing to a ''cult'' that will not and does not want to listen or know the truths.
I have spent and wasted years of my life trying to explain and trying to get science to understand.  I am wasting my breath and I know it does not matter how correct I am, ''science'' will never let me in and would rather continue the subjective education rather than admittance of the truth.
I would also say to any readers who are reading this and believe something to be wrong, do not even bother they will  never listen to you properly. I have no real indication that science as ever listened to me, so although I feel sad in my decision, this being the best science forum on the internet, I now ask for a life ban so I can just forget all the science I know.
Regards

Steve
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/08/2017 15:49:22
I can just forget all the science I know.
You should learn some first.
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Post by: evan_au on 27/08/2017 00:06:10
Steve, I am glad that over the years, we have helped you to think outside the box, if only for a short time.

I have certainly found it a personal challenge to explain complex scientific theories in the simplest and clearest way possible.

How about we leave your account intact, and if you ever want (or need) to understand some science, I am sure the generous people on this forum will try to help you...
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 27/08/2017 14:58:12
Steve, I am glad that over the years, we have helped you to think outside the box, if only for a short time.

I have certainly found it a personal challenge to explain complex scientific theories in the simplest and clearest way possible.

How about we leave your account intact, and if you ever want (or need) to understand some science, I am sure the generous people on this forum will try to help you...
Thank you for your kind words Evan.  I think we both know I struggle to get a discussion going. But after I have slept I have woke up with a new idea so I feel must share it.  I will post it new theories. :D
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: The Spoon on 30/08/2017 17:45:02
Steve, I am glad that over the years, we have helped you to think outside the box, if only for a short time.

I have certainly found it a personal challenge to explain complex scientific theories in the simplest and clearest way possible.

How about we leave your account intact, and if you ever want (or need) to understand some science, I am sure the generous people on this forum will try to help you...
Thank you for your kind words Evan.  I think we both know I struggle to get a discussion going. But after I have slept I have woke up with a new idea so I feel must share it.  I will post it new theories. :D
Wondered how long it would take this time after you claimed you were 'giving up science'  to return. A regular habit it appears. Do you need to be banned because you lack the self discipline?
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: chris on 31/08/2017 00:41:34
Steve, I am glad that over the years, we have helped you to think outside the box, if only for a short time.

I have certainly found it a personal challenge to explain complex scientific theories in the simplest and clearest way possible.

How about we leave your account intact, and if you ever want (or need) to understand some science, I am sure the generous people on this forum will try to help you...
Thank you for your kind words Evan.  I think we both know I struggle to get a discussion going. But after I have slept I have woke up with a new idea so I feel must share it.  I will post it new theories. :D
Wondered how long it would take this time after you claimed you were 'giving up science'  to return. A regular habit it appears. Do you need to be banned because you lack the self discipline?
;D
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Post by: Tanny on 07/11/2017 01:16:02
You should learn some first.

You should try Facebook.
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Post by: Tanny on 07/11/2017 01:39:09
I have spent and wasted years of my life trying to explain and trying to get science to understand.  I am wasting my breath and I know it does not matter how correct I am....

I'm sympathetic to this post, and although you might try to express this sentiment a little more clearly, I suspect you may be basically correct in your understanding of the situation.  I often feel like I'm wasting my breath as well.  It's not really that logical for me to continue, and I do so mostly because I'm an incurable typoholic, a fairly normal mental disorder I try to have a sense of humor about.

I don't honestly think that scientists in general are that interested in the public.  Most will ignore us entirely.  Some will talk at us.  Few will talk with us.  Like most human beings, scientists are usually the most comfortable when they are playing the role of teacher.  It's probably not going to work to ask them to play the role of student, unless you occupy a higher position than they do on the intelligentsia todem pole.

But it's not just scientists.   The net is built largely of tribal clans of like minded people, and the primary function of any clan is to serve as a mutual validation society for it's members.  If you support a tribe's self flattering illusions, you are welcomed as their new pal.  If you rock the boat, that might be ok if the process allows the tribe members to reinforce their own beliefs in resisting you.  The greatest sin is to rock the boat effectively.  Then you have to go.  Pretty much everybody on the Net and life in general plays by these rules, not just scientists.

We're probably all wasting our breath if we think we can reason our way out of the most important challenges facing humanity.  The real teacher is pain.  Once nature has relentlessly clubbed us over the head about a hundred times, only then might we turn to reason in desperation. 

Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: Concept on 07/03/2018 17:06:27
I am new hear, I haven't interacted all that much and haven't looked around a whole bunch yet.
I was excited to find this science forum.
I am very disappointed though because it appears to be lead around by a bunch of small minded people that don't broaden their thinking when it comes to definitions and topics. They just see a word they don't like and automatically apply a narrow definition do it calling it quackery.
I never understood how smart people can be so dumb and stuck closed off in their world.

Scientific studies and research is being found out in several areas to have a lot of flaws in the studies.
You can find studies to support nearly any position.
There are small sample sizes, corporate interest funding them, too short of study intervals, often times not the gold standard of double blind placebo studies, and meta studies of studies that have errors. There is also no reproduction of results. I've also been through the university system with top honors and observed how many grad students research things under pressure leading to poor data and results.

I refuse to waste my time dealing with people who don't see the complexities, don't consider confounding factors, and use strict definitions of things causing needless arguments. They just label everything myth and quackery. Perhaps they have become frustrated with all the quackery that does exist and become too rigid in their years.

What I'm seeing on this forum are people giving out bad advice and a waste of time because they are taking science as fact rather then seeing it evolve. It's too frustrating to me and I am not going to be sticking around.

You will probably just ignore this comment anyway and not even see how I love science and even flawed studies with many confounding factors or the problems they do have can give us information. I'm not some psycho trying to change the laws of physics or well established theories. I'm sorry it's just too frustrating in the world where people are small in their thinking.

I don't know Steve TheBox, but seeing this post now confirms me not wanting to waste my time here.
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: The Spoon on 07/03/2018 22:38:22
I am new hear, I haven't interacted all that much and haven't looked around a whole bunch yet.
I was excited to find this science forum.
I am very disappointed though because it appears to be lead around by a bunch of small minded people that don't broaden their thinking when it comes to definitions and topics. They just see a word they don't like and automatically apply a narrow definition do it calling it quackery.
I never understood how smart people can be so dumb and stuck closed off in their world.

Scientific studies and research is being found out in several areas to have a lot of flaws in the studies.
You can find studies to support nearly any position.
There are small sample sizes, corporate interest funding them, too short of study intervals, often times not the gold standard of double blind placebo studies, and meta studies of studies that have errors. There is also no reproduction of results. I've also been through the university system with top honors and observed how many grad students research things under pressure leading to poor data and results.

I refuse to waste my time dealing with people who don't see the complexities, don't consider confounding factors, and use strict definitions of things causing needless arguments. They just label everything myth and quackery. Perhaps they have become frustrated with all the quackery that does exist and become too rigid in their years.

What I'm seeing on this forum are people giving out bad advice and a waste of time because they are taking science as fact rather then seeing it evolve. It's too frustrating to me and I am not going to be sticking around.

You will probably just ignore this comment anyway and not even see how I love science and even flawed studies with many confounding factors or the problems they do have can give us information. I'm not some psycho trying to change the laws of physics or well established theories. I'm sorry it's just too frustrating in the world where people are small in their thinking.

I don't know Steve TheBox, but seeing this post now confirms me not wanting to waste my time here.
How do you know the Box is called Steve?
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: Concept on 07/03/2018 22:41:58
The Spoon,

I read the OP.
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: Kryptid on 10/03/2018 00:52:55
They just see a word they don't like and automatically apply a narrow definition do it calling it quackery.
I never understood how smart people can be so dumb and stuck closed off in their world.

Can you give us an example?
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 13/03/2018 13:42:50
I am new hear, I haven't interacted all that much and haven't looked around a whole bunch yet.
I was excited to find this science forum.
I am very disappointed though because it appears to be lead around by a bunch of small minded people that don't broaden their thinking when it comes to definitions and topics. They just see a word they don't like and automatically apply a narrow definition do it calling it quackery.
I never understood how smart people can be so dumb and stuck closed off in their world.

Scientific studies and research is being found out in several areas to have a lot of flaws in the studies.
You can find studies to support nearly any position.
There are small sample sizes, corporate interest funding them, too short of study intervals, often times not the gold standard of double blind placebo studies, and meta studies of studies that have errors. There is also no reproduction of results. I've also been through the university system with top honors and observed how many grad students research things under pressure leading to poor data and results.

I refuse to waste my time dealing with people who don't see the complexities, don't consider confounding factors, and use strict definitions of things causing needless arguments. They just label everything myth and quackery. Perhaps they have become frustrated with all the quackery that does exist and become too rigid in their years.

What I'm seeing on this forum are people giving out bad advice and a waste of time because they are taking science as fact rather then seeing it evolve. It's too frustrating to me and I am not going to be sticking around.

You will probably just ignore this comment anyway and not even see how I love science and even flawed studies with many confounding factors or the problems they do have can give us information. I'm not some psycho trying to change the laws of physics or well established theories. I'm sorry it's just too frustrating in the world where people are small in their thinking.

I don't know Steve TheBox, but seeing this post now confirms me not wanting to waste my time here.
I am thinking the exact same, I think I want all my posts removed.
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: Kryptid on 13/03/2018 13:56:39
I am thinking the exact same, I think I want all my posts removed.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I'm pretty sure your most recent thread got locked because it devolved from debating evidence and ideas into accusations of delusion, statements of being intellectually superior, and other such personal  attacks. It would probably have lasted longer if it had stayed on topic.
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: Colin2B on 13/03/2018 14:16:27
I'm pretty sure your most recent thread got locked because it devolved from debating evidence and ideas into accusations of delusion, statements of being intellectually superior, and other such personal  attacks. It would probably have lasted longer if it had stayed on topic.
I agree, I was beginning to watch this thread which was becomming a slanging match rather than discussing the topic.
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 13/03/2018 14:24:43
I am thinking the exact same, I think I want all my posts removed.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I'm pretty sure your most recent thread got locked because it devolved from debating evidence and ideas into accusations of delusion, statements of being intellectually superior, and other such personal  attacks. It would probably have lasted longer if it had stayed on topic.
We were having a lovely conversation.   Pleased define new theory or new ideas to me?

There is no point in the section if I am going to get it locked for no reason.
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 13/03/2018 14:26:16
I'm pretty sure your most recent thread got locked because it devolved from debating evidence and ideas into accusations of delusion, statements of being intellectually superior, and other such personal  attacks. It would probably have lasted longer if it had stayed on topic.
I agree, I was beginning to watch this thread which was becomming a slanging match rather than discussing the topic.
We were talking open, there was no ''slanging'' match, please define new theory or new ideas?
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: Kryptid on 13/03/2018 20:46:36
We were having a lovely conversation.   Pleased define new theory or new ideas to me?

There is no point in the section if I am going to get it locked for no reason.

It wasn't your physics concepts that were the problem. The problem was in the form of inflammatory responses such as saying that Bored Chemist was "full of "beans"", "funny and deluded", that his "subjective opinion is not needed or welcome", calling yourself a "better scientist" than him and that "Einstein was an idiot".
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: evan_au on 13/03/2018 21:20:48
There was some brilliant repartee in there, like:
Q: What do you think "subjective" means?
A: What do you want it to mean?

It is not our policy to delete all of someone's posts, if they are interleaved with useful answers from forum members. These good answers may help others with similar questions.
 
There was a very good description of escape velocity by Kryptid, and an implied commitment by TheBox to understand it.
This commitment seems to have been lost in the subsequent flurry of quotes of increasing length.

Mr Box: when you have processed this description, feel free to open another topic in New Theories to explore any new questions you may have.
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 14/03/2018 11:33:28
We were having a lovely conversation.   Pleased define new theory or new ideas to me?

There is no point in the section if I am going to get it locked for no reason.

It wasn't your physics concepts that were the problem. The problem was in the form of inflammatory responses such as saying that Bored Chemist was "full of "beans"", "funny and deluded", that his "subjective opinion is not needed or welcome", calling yourself a "better scientist" than him and that "Einstein was an idiot".
Now you explained it like that, looking back, I was not very nice and apologise to Mr C,  I am getting insulted elsewhere and wrongly took it out on Mr C, my sincere apologies.
MR C does try to wind me up a bit though, I do not understand why he keeps replying nonsense to everything when I try to be strictly objective. 
Anyway thanks ...
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Post by: PmbPhy on 18/03/2018 02:32:29
I have tried in vein to have conversation and to make corrections to science where it is incorrect.
The problem has been and always shall be that you're always wrong since you don't know what you're talking about. I've tried in vain to persuade you to first learn the material that you're claiming is wrong before you decide that its wrong. In all cases you've claimed something is wrong based solely on your lack of understanding the physics. Your response has always been that you're right, its the world that's wrong and you "refuse to learn material that is wrong to prove that its wrong" which is the worst conceivable mistake a person can make. E.g. you can't tell a checkout girl at the supermarket that she gave you the wrong change unless you first learn arithmetic.

Until then nobody on Earth will take you seriously. Especially when you misuse terms like "cult". Nobody here is so dumb as to listen to you.
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 13/04/2018 18:37:04
I have tried in vein to have conversation and to make corrections to science where it is incorrect.
The problem has been and always shall be that you're always wrong since you don't know what you're talking about. I've tried in vain to persuade you to first learn the material that you're claiming is wrong before you decide that its wrong. In all cases you've claimed something is wrong based solely on your lack of understanding the physics. Your response has always been that you're right, its the world that's wrong and you "refuse to learn material that is wrong to prove that its wrong" which is the worst conceivable mistake a person can make. E.g. you can't tell a checkout girl at the supermarket that she gave you the wrong change unless you first learn arithmetic.

Until then nobody on Earth will take you seriously. Especially when you misuse terms like "cult". Nobody here is so dumb as to listen to you.

Interesting,  but of course wrong.  I understand more than well.
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Post by: Bored chemist on 14/04/2018 00:46:17
We were having a lovely conversation.   Pleased define new theory or new ideas to me?

There is no point in the section if I am going to get it locked for no reason.

It wasn't your physics concepts that were the problem. The problem was in the form of inflammatory responses such as saying that Bored Chemist was "full of "beans"", "funny and deluded", that his "subjective opinion is not needed or welcome", calling yourself a "better scientist" than him and that "Einstein was an idiot".
Now you explained it like that, looking back, I was not very nice and apologise to Mr C,  I am getting insulted elsewhere and wrongly took it out on Mr C, my sincere apologies.
c I do not understand why he keeps replying nonsense to everything when I try to be strictly objective. 
Anyway thanks ...

No
You are wrong.
You say "MR C does try to wind me up a bit though," And that's not what I do.

What I'm trying to do is to ensure that anti-scientific nonsense  posted here is challenged. (This is, after all, a science page).

You say "  I do not understand why he keeps replying nonsense"
And that's the problem.
You don't recognise nonsense when you see ( or indeed post) it.
You say things like
1 + 1 = 1

which, a competent 5 year old  would spot as nonsense, but you complain when I point out that it's wrong.
 It's really not my replies that are nonsense. The nonsense really is in your posts.
If you can't see that then you have a problem that's not going to be resolved here- go and explain to your doctor that you think that 1+1 =1 and you don't see why people laugh at you for saying it.

It doesn't help when you say
when I try to be strictly objective. 
but then show that you have no idea what objectivity is.


So, the only way to sort this is for you to go and get your brain fixed: it seems that it currently doesn't work properly.
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 14/04/2018 15:01:40
What I'm trying to do is to ensure that anti-scientific nonsense  posted here is challenged.
So you are saying that if people do not agree with science and have new ideas, it is all nonsense?

Challenge anti scientific in main sections of the forum where you suppose to do that.   Do not challenge new theories, discuss the theory.  No offence intended , but you do not know how to behave in a new theories section.

It is no good to keep saying nonsense etc based on repeating your education,  we all have wiki too you know like. 

That is why we , the new theories have theories because we learn something then disagree with that something. 

I disagree with things because I use impossible and impossible.  You should try this some time then you might find yourself making a new theory.   

You automatically accept science to be true, I do not because I am objective and I have to have an absolute answer, 

If I was stupid would I be able to give an absolute answer to Schrodinger cat in the box paradox?

The answer of a transparent box is as transparent as the answer.

I am smart like it or not,  I am sorry if I ruin your imaginary universe.
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Post by: Bored chemist on 14/04/2018 15:06:22
So you are saying that if people do not agree with science and have new ideas, it is all nonsense?
No.
I am saying that things which clearly do not make sense are not science.
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 14/04/2018 15:15:50
So you are saying that if people do not agree with science and have new ideas, it is all nonsense?
No.
I am saying that things which clearly do not make sense are not science.
If something is not making sense to you, do you think this could just  be you do not understand the thing that is not making sense to you?
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: tkadm30 on 27/11/2018 00:56:45
If something is not making sense to you, do you think this could just  be you do not understand the thing that is not making sense to you?

While you're gone, please try learning how to write in English properly, dear physchotic professor... ;)

tk

 
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 27/11/2018 04:32:53
If something is not making sense to you, do you think this could just  be you do not understand the thing that is not making sense to you?

While you're gone, please try learning how to write in English properly, dear physchotic professor... ;)

tk

 

When  you  have  gone  perhaps  you  should  try  some  maintenance  on  your  neurological  networking  skills .   I  think  your  processor  is   malfunctioning .

Personal  message  :  You  can't  break  that  which  is  already  broken  as  with  your  poor  use  of  single  spacing  when  you're  writing .  Additionally  I  think  you   may  have  Schizophrenia  and  should  consult  a  doctor  .   
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: tkadm30 on 27/11/2018 05:15:42
When  you  have  gone  perhaps  you  should  try  some  maintenance  on  your  neurological  networking  skills .   I  think  your  processor  is   malfunctioning .

Personal  message  :  You  can't  break  that  which  is  already  broken  as  with  your  poor  use  of  single  spacing  when  you're  writing .  Additionally  I  think  you   may  have  Schizophrenia  and  should  consult  a  doctor  .   

Please go away from my cyber life and never come back. Nobody really cares about your mindless projections and microaggressions, physchotic fool. 

tk
Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: guest39538 on 28/11/2018 12:56:25
physchotic

That's  so  true  ,  I'm  psychotic   today alright  .   People   have  made  me  that  way  ,  internet  people  .  They  want  to  take  the  mick  , watch  this  space .   

Title: Re: Please Ban me now and I promise never to return as a sock.
Post by: mypaperedit on 28/11/2018 13:30:08
 ;D ;D
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Post by: Colin2B on 28/11/2018 14:26:59
;D ;D
Not only are we banning you, but we have changed your crummy essay writing website to our own url so you canít be found.
So, who gets last laugh  ;D ;D ;D