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On the Lighter Side => That CAN'T be true! => Topic started by: F'dscience on 08/09/2017 07:25:38

Title: Does science lie?
Post by: F'dscience on 08/09/2017 07:25:38
nasa faked moon landing, some shadows are right under the object, means they made the video at noon time, which is not morning time as they said/should.

nasa, china, japan all fake news about solar sails work in space, photons able to transfer momentum to solar sail to accelerate spaceship.

they lied right in front your eyes.

if light/photon has momentum, why is laser beam cannot bend a flame? why is light mill not moving in a hard vacuum?

all space missions are fake, cuz they faked the time delay for space radio transmission.

light/em waves travel in vacuum space at an infinite speed, only within mediums at a limited speed.

so any communication takes more than 1/100 second is faked.

all scientists think light speed is c in the vacuum, they all wrong.

if light speed is limited in vacuum space, all stars, galaxies we see are from the past, how we map the universe and measure the total mass?

it is all bs, all lies.

there is no solar wind. what mechanism? why protons and electrons on the way to earth do not attract each other and form into hydrogen atoms? why does gravity not pull them back into the sun?

van allan belts? what's mechanism? the sun's energy/radiation/light strength decay at 1/rr, the only way to find stronger radiation is to get closer.

near around earth, radiation strength is the same, within the atmosphere, it decreases.

so between earth and the moon, the radiation strength is about the same, less within our atmosphere.

em drive? powered by quantum vacuum virtual plasma. it is voodoo science.

ligo detected gravity wave? you wave hand will produce more detectable gravity wave than far away stars explode.

gravity wave speed is infinite, gravity has to be instantaneous, otherwise, no planets can stay in orbit.
Title: Re: Does science lie?
Post by: chris on 08/09/2017 07:53:30
No, responsibly-conducted, accurately-reported science is not misleading. Sadly, not all practitioners subscribe to these values, but the vast majority do, and the process of peer review helps us to refine and improve the knowledge base.

That said, there are risks that the process of peer review and science itself can lead us down the wrong road and establish as facts things that are "in fact" wrong:

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/interviews/distorting-facts
Title: Re: Does science lie?
Post by: F'dscience on 08/09/2017 10:15:28


nasa faked moon landing, some shadows are right under the object, means they made the video at noon time, which is not morning time as they said/should.

nasa, china, japan all fake news about solar sails work in space, photons able to transfer momentum to solar sail to accelerate spaceship.

they lied right in front your eyes.

if light/photon has momentum, why is laser beam cannot bend a flame? why is light mill not moving in a hard vacuum?

all space missions are fake, cuz they faked the time delay for space radio transmission.

light/em waves travel in vacuum space at an infinite speed, only within mediums at a limited speed.

so any communication takes more than 1/100 second is faked.

all scientists think light speed is c in the vacuum, they all wrong.

if light speed is limited in vacuum space, all stars, galaxies we see are from the past, how we map the universe and measure the total mass?

it is all bs, all lies.

there is no solar wind. what mechanism? why protons and electrons on the way to earth do not attract each other and form into hydrogen atoms? why does gravity not pull them back into the sun?

van allan belts? what's mechanism? the sun's energy/radiation/light strength decay at 1/rr, the only way to find stronger radiation is to get closer.

near around earth, radiation strength is the same, within the atmosphere, it decreases.

so between earth and the moon, the radiation strength is about the same, less within our atmosphere.

em drive? powered by quantum vacuum virtual plasma. it is voodoo science.

ligo detected gravity wave? you wave hand will produce more detectable gravity wave than far away stars explode.

gravity wave speed is infinite, gravity has to be instantaneous, otherwise, no planets can stay in orbit.

On February 11, 2016, the LIGO Scientific Collaboration and Virgo Collaboration published a paper about the detection of gravitational waves, from a signal detected at 09.51 UTC on 14 September 2015 of two ~30 solar mass black holes merging about 1.3 billion light-years from Earth.[39][40]

so the gravity wave traveled 1.3 billion years to get here? at light speed?

are those black holes at 10 billion light years away still there?

how they measure the mass of the black hole?

how they measure the total mass if the universe?

how do they know there was a big bang? how do they know how many protons are created in the first second of the big bang?

are they bluff?
Title: Re: Does science lie?
Post by: tkadm30 on 09/09/2017 09:41:24
The political orchestration of scientific research can sometimes lead to the fabrication of bogus theories like climate change. To understand science you need maturity and critical learning skills to avoid the systemic disinformation and fake news flooding our minds. So is science lying to us?

I'd say that science do not lie directly, but rather indirectly, by telling us bedtime stories in our "science" textbooks and education system."Climate change" is a obvious bedtime story for grown up adults...

Title: Re: Does science lie?
Post by: alancalverd on 09/09/2017 10:52:17
Science is the iterative process of observe, hypothesise, test, observe.... It can't lie because it doesn't have the means or will to mislead.

People lie, often about science.
Title: Re: Does science lie?
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/09/2017 12:50:15
nasa faked moon landing, some shadows are right under the object, means they made the video at noon time, which is not morning time as they said/should.

nasa, china, japan all fake news about solar sails work in space, photons able to transfer momentum to solar sail to accelerate spaceship.

they lied right in front your eyes.

if light/photon has momentum, why is laser beam cannot bend a flame? why is light mill not moving in a hard vacuum?

all space missions are fake, cuz they faked the time delay for space radio transmission.

light/em waves travel in vacuum space at an infinite speed, only within mediums at a limited speed.

so any communication takes more than 1/100 second is faked.

all scientists think light speed is c in the vacuum, they all wrong.

if light speed is limited in vacuum space, all stars, galaxies we see are from the past, how we map the universe and measure the total mass?

it is all bs, all lies.

there is no solar wind. what mechanism? why protons and electrons on the way to earth do not attract each other and form into hydrogen atoms? why does gravity not pull them back into the sun?

van allan belts? what's mechanism? the sun's energy/radiation/light strength decay at 1/rr, the only way to find stronger radiation is to get closer.

near around earth, radiation strength is the same, within the atmosphere, it decreases.

so between earth and the moon, the radiation strength is about the same, less within our atmosphere.

em drive? powered by quantum vacuum virtual plasma. it is voodoo science.

ligo detected gravity wave? you wave hand will produce more detectable gravity wave than far away stars explode.

gravity wave speed is infinite, gravity has to be instantaneous, otherwise, no planets can stay in orbit.

"nasa faked moon landing, some shadows are right under the object, means they made the video at noon time, which is not morning time as they said/should"
Show me a picture of an object that doesn't have a shadow directly under it.
"if light/photon has momentum, why is laser beam cannot bend a flame?"
Because it goes through the flame rather than being absorbed or reflected.

"light/em waves travel in vacuum space at an infinite speed, only within mediums at a limited speed. "
No, the "ghosting" of images on TV pictures due to reflections from other buildings proves this. There are, of course, many other  bits of evidence for it, such as the fact that GPS works.

"all scientists think light speed is c in the vacuum, they all wrong."
All the evidence shows that they are right and you are wrong.
"if light speed is limited in vacuum space, all stars, galaxies we see are from the past, how we map the universe and measure the total mass?"
Why is it a problem for measuring the mass?

"why protons and electrons on the way to earth do not attract each other and form into hydrogen atoms? "
The laws of conservation of energy and momentum.
In effect, if a proton hits an electron, they bounce, rather than joining up.

" why does gravity not pull them back into the sun? "
Because they are travelling at more than the escape velocity for the Sun's gravitational well.

van allan belts? what's mechanism?
The mechanism's quite well described, for example, here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt
Which bits of the explanation are giving you trouble?

"the sun's energy/radiation/light strength decay at 1/rr, "
The inverse square law only applies to an isolated system.
What you have said is like saying that you can't use a magnifying glass and sunlight to start a fire.
Your claim just isn't true.

"so between earth and the moon, the radiation strength is about the same, less within our atmosphere.
"
Within the atmosphere, the radiation is stopped by collisions with the air molecules. Some of the energy released goes into making the Aurora
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora
"gravity wave speed is infinite, gravity has to be instantaneous, otherwise, no planets can stay in orbit."
Why?
Why wouldn't the fact that they were held together " just slightly later" work?

Broadly speaking you seem to have no understanding of science.
You are, therefore, not in a position to criticise it.

Please come back when something changes.
 
Title: Re: Does science lie?
Post by: Kryptid on 09/09/2017 19:54:20
Let's see... do I believe the data gathered by repeated experimentation and observation by hundreds or thousands of scientists over more than a century in many different countries or do I believe one random guy on the Internet who doesn't understand basic physics? Decisions, decisions...
Title: Re: Does science lie?
Post by: chris on 09/09/2017 23:29:01
or do I believe one random guy on the Internet who doesn't understand basic physics? Decisions, decisions...

Definitely a tough call...
Title: Re: Does science lie?
Post by: Danne on 04/10/2017 14:44:06
Science can certainly be manipulate towards ones interest. You just need enough money and influence. I have participated in medical research before in my life and I saw how incompetent the research can be.

You need to learn to read the research databases like a pro. Read the refferences, the methods which have been used.
The 2008 study can rely on the same data as the 1977 study...