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Title: Is magnetic accu-battery LD feasible?
Post by: clueless on 19/02/2018 10:24:21

Hello. Have mercy! Or at least be gentle.

Magnetic plates. Need I say more? You see, electrons can be deflected by the magnetic plates. When an electron moves, it generates a magnetic field. So far as I know, this is how an electromagnet functions. Electrons flow through the wire and a field is generated (I copied/pasted stuff on the Internet).
There was a physics lab demonstration where a wire was placed next to a magnet. When power through the wire was switched on, the wire jumped dramatically. This indicates that a magnetic field is generated by the electron movement through the wire, that is to say, an electron's movement generates a magnetic field, that is to say, the electron has become a magnet.

Since magnets exert a force on one another, when a small "magnet" such as an electron passes through the field of a larger, more powerful magnet, then we should expect that the electron will be deflected just as a small piece of magnetic metal would.

So, about my idea, and magnetic accu-battery LD, what we have here, or not, is a battery that lasts a lot longer than Duracell battery, if that is at all possible. So, you place a magnetic plate, a bit of a magnet, that is, small but powerful enough to deflect half of the electrons that are traveling from anode to cathode, talking about a crossroad (similar to the one on the picture attached to this topic), where half of the electrons travel/go into the cathode, and the other half is deflected so they return to its starting position: into the anode.

But, if a battery has 100 electrons, protons and whatnot, the same 100 cannot, I repeat, cannot return into it (the battery, I mean) if one considers 50 electrons that power my table lamp, and so: my table lamp is guilty for everything!
So, adios, perpetuum, and see you later, darliní?!

p.s. The photo is not quite perfect, but in my defense, I have osteoarthritis.
Title: Re: Is magnetic accu-battery LD feasible?
Post by: Colin2B on 19/02/2018 11:06:15
where half of the electrons travel/go into the cathode, and the other half is deflected so they return to its starting position: into the anode.
I dont understand why you would want to do that.
There are easier ways to do it like connecting a resistance between anode and cathode.
Either way you are providing a current that does no useful work unlike the circuit to your lamp.

But, if a battery has 100 electrons, protons and whatnot, the same 100 cannot, I repeat, cannot return into it (the battery, I mean) if one considers 50 electrons that power my table lamp, and so: my table lamp is guilty for everything!
Why canít the current return?
If you have 100 units of current  leave the battery and 50 go through the lamp, then 50 go through your diverter. 100 go back.
Title: Re: Is magnetic accu-battery LD feasible?
Post by: clueless on 19/02/2018 11:32:23
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Why canít the current return?
If you have 100 units of current  leave the battery and 50 go through the lamp, then 50 go through your diverter. 100 go back.
. . . And we have the first perpetuum! Sorry. Bad humor.

I am enlightened. Really. I better stick to me writing and fairy-tales. But, at least I tried. Some - - - do not, which is doom of men.
Title: Re: Is magnetic accu-battery LD feasible?
Post by: Colin2B on 19/02/2018 15:08:57
Never stop thinking.

If you want to learn science do listen to the podcasts, and if you have any questions do post again.
Title: Re: Is magnetic accu-battery LD feasible?
Post by: chiralSPO on 19/02/2018 15:18:29
I am enlightened. Really. I better stick to me writing and fairy-tales. But, at least I tried. Some - - - do not, which is doom of men.

Never stop thinking.

If you want to learn science do listen to the podcasts, and if you have any questions do post again.

Amen to the above. You may return to writing fairy tales, but I strongly recommend you continue thinking and trying and learning as well. The whole purpose of this forum is to help people learn from each other and explore scientific ideas. Most new ideas are incorrect, but as long as those generating the ideas are pursuing truth, that which is learned in the process can be invaluable. And every now and then, a new idea can be truly revolutionary. Keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: Is magnetic accu-battery LD feasible?
Post by: clueless on 19/02/2018 15:36:38
Thanks! It is good to be welcome. When you ARE welcome. Still. Never mind. It appears, I won't be receiving the Nobel Prize in Physics but, I am not bitter. Not in the slightest. No. I am not. Nah ah. But I am on it, mister! Perpetuum, - heeeeeeeere I come !!
Title: Re: Is magnetic accu-battery LD feasible?
Post by: evan_au on 19/02/2018 20:26:06
When you have a current through a wire, and that wire is in a magnetic field, the electrons are diverted to one side of the wire, leaving an excess of +ve charge on the other side. This is called the Hall effect, and it is often used to measure magnetic fields.

However, once some electrons have moved towards one side of the wire, that sets up an electrostatic force across the wire which opposes any more electrons being diverted by the magnetic field, so it is self-limiting.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect