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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Yahya on 02/04/2018 23:35:23

Title: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 02/04/2018 23:35:23
Some people enjoy listening to foreign music that they do not understand its
lyrics, because they in fact somehow by their deep minds understand it exactly as
they understand it by their upper mind,i.e normal understand , fully
understanding and then enjoy it, the mind by its deep strength can understand
the meaning by sensing what is the person or singer really speaking about or
what does he mean , I notice some parts of the foreign songs I hear are the most
enjoyable and it appears to be that kinds of very meaningful words when they are
translated, these parts might be words , phrases or a full sentence, hence my
idea is not that simple explanation of ( understanding by one's heart )

Most people are embarrassed to listen to foreign songs they don't understand ,
the rest prefer to listen to songs of their own culture, hence my idea is not that
simple explanation of (understanding by one's heart but other people do not have this
capability)

This might be a new door opened for new songs that might be more enjoyable
sung in other languages rather than English, and new songs for listeners to be
added to their playlist!
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Kryptid on 03/04/2018 05:16:41
I'm very doubtful of this, but at least it would be easy to test. Get someone who claims they can understand the foreign lyrics without actually knowing the language to listen to a new foreign song they have never heard before. Then ask them to translate it.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 03/04/2018 05:55:44
I'm very doubtful of this, but at least it would be easy to test. Get someone who claims they can understand the foreign lyrics without actually knowing the language to listen to a new foreign song they have never heard before. Then ask them to translate it.
They can't translate , they just understand it deeply and then enjoy it.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 03/04/2018 07:13:02
A person might enjoy the song even if without focusing on the meaning , and in the case of foreign songs , the same applies , i.e focusing in words we hear their existence without understanding them is more enjoyable than in the case of  not concentrating on the same unknown-in-meaning exists-in-pronunciation words.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 03/04/2018 07:23:33
listening to foreign songs might be more enjoyable for:
1) words are deeply understood.
2) words and music are both understood deeply the same way.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 03/04/2018 08:48:30
I think the reason behind this deep understand is music , whether plain music or
sung words. Music can be understood deeply , when combined with words the
song is understood as a whole, i.e they are both understood deeply.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Kryptid on 03/04/2018 14:24:03
They can't translate , they just understand it deeply and then enjoy it.

What do you mean when they say they "understand it deeply"? Enjoying the way that a song sounds doesn't mean you understand what the song is actually about.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 03/04/2018 14:41:34
They can't translate , they just understand it deeply and then enjoy it.

What do you mean when they say they "understand it deeply"? Enjoying the way that a song sounds doesn't mean you understand what the song is actually about.
in my opinion the song is understood deeply , if you ask someone they can't tell what the meaning of the song was , it is understood deeply and being processed deeply.What I want to tell is not that music does give us extra magic abilities to translate  , but explaining the reason for the same phenomenon of  appreciation for foreign music.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Kryptid on 03/04/2018 15:41:16
in my opinion the song is understood deeply , if you ask someone they can't tell what the meaning of the song was , it is understood deeply and being processed deeply.What I want to tell is not that music does give us extra magic abilities to translate  , but explaining the reason for the same phenomenon of  appreciation for foreign music.

Again, what do you mean when you say it is "understood deeply"?
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 03/04/2018 15:45:38
in my opinion the song is understood deeply , if you ask someone they can't tell what the meaning of the song was , it is understood deeply and being processed deeply.What I want to tell is not that music does give us extra magic abilities to translate  , but explaining the reason for the same phenomenon of  appreciation for foreign music.

Again, what do you mean when you say it is "understood deeply"?
sounds like adverb confusion , understood in deeper units of our processor mind.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Colin2B on 03/04/2018 23:14:45
understood in deeper units of our processor mind.
That sounds like deeper confusion.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/04/2018 02:31:40
I was once in the interesting position of being on-stage for an opera. I didn't understand the words.
On a related note
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 04/04/2018 06:49:17
I tried Gangnam style the part in the song which I find ordinary and not enjoyable is the last part , when I search its translation I found it to be:

" On top of the running man is the flying man, baby baby Iím a man who knows a thing or two
On top of the running man is the flying man, baby baby Iím a man who knows a thing or two "

very ordinary in meaning as well .

The rest is: http://www.kpoplyrics.net/psy-gangnam-style-lyrics-english-romanized.html sounds more beautiful
I also notice similarity between singing styles but huge difference in meaning and feelings
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 05/04/2018 16:53:06

I was once in the interesting position of being on-stage for an opera. I didn't understand the words.
On a related note
perhaps you didn't just appreciate the song , then the words are just words. opera songs' words are difficult even for a native speaker
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/04/2018 18:09:43
It's also clearly possible for music to evoke images- even without words.
Nobody would get these two muddled.
and
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 05/04/2018 18:20:39
I think  each music can give different ideas about the chickens' painting
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 05/04/2018 18:29:19
if music creates understood words about the painting then plain words can be understood.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 05/04/2018 19:04:32
perhaps what I'm referring to are meanings according to the music or random meanings for words ( beautiful
ones ) and not their actual meanings as in the case of the painting ? but in this case sentences won't be understood and be enjoyed or perhaps the opposite random meanings for sentences and words won't  be understood. but what I claim is a full understand for words, phrases and sentences in this case they would actually be understood and not with random meanings.
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 05/04/2018 19:06:42
It's also clearly possible for music to evoke images- even without words.
Nobody would get these two muddled.
and
Thanks , it gave me ideas
Title: Re: music can magically enable us to understand foreign lyrics
Post by: Yahya on 05/04/2018 20:05:28
compared to post #12 in this live concert the same part would be meaningful since it is performed in front of thousands of ladies

I find it enjoyable.