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Title: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: Lucy on 12/06/2018 13:11:39
Hi Guys,
This is Lucy (My nick name), Am businessman i don't know about engineering and scientific effect/methods. However am studying about how to stop the upcoming war, WWIII and any nations/religious war.
I want to save the humanity, I really inspired about the Film Lucy and I agreed with 50% it’s all true...
Am studying/working on is ideas/field.
I choose the subject resonance; I have few questions to scientist and engineers.
Q.1)    what is the absolute resonance frequency of the H2O?
What happens if scientists discover the H2O absolute frequency with respect to the water types?
Result of Q.1): We get low-cost of hydrogens and oxygens gasses, similar to use as low cost fuels compared to petroleum’s…
Q.2)    what is the absolute resonance frequency of Alloy (Copper, Iron, silver and etc...?)
What happens if scientists discover the absolute resonance frequency of Alloys?
Result of Q.2): Might be we able to heat-up/breakup/destroy of any metals through electromagnetics’ resonance frequencies’ guns.
As scientists discovered in electronics the formula of Inductive reactance (XL) and capacitive reactance (XC) to find the absolute frequency of that inductor/capacitor or with both in same circuits,

Thanks
Lucy
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: Kryptid on 28/06/2018 06:27:38
Resonance is a term with a very broad meaning. If you are talking about destroying complex structures by vibrating them, the frequency needed is going to vary widely depending on the specific characteristics of that structure. Knowing what it is made of will not be enough on its own. Its dimensions and shape will play important roles as well. Remember, bells of different sizes all made of the same material will still have different vibrational frequencies.

If you are asking about molecular bond vibrational frequencies, this may be useful to you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_spectroscopy
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: evan_au on 28/06/2018 10:58:11
Quote from: Lucy
what is the absolute resonance frequency of H2O?
Water has many resonances, and absorbs energy over a wide range of frequencies.
We already use one of those frequencies in our microwave ovens, at about 2450 MHz.

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We get low-cost of hydrogens and oxygens gasses
I'm afraid not.

To split water into hydrogen and oxygen takes energy, and that energy has to come from somewhere. For many parts of the world, that somewhere is currently fossil fuels.
Since energy generation, transmission and consumption is never 100% efficient, any hydrogen and oxygen produced by this method will cost more than fossil fuels.

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Might be we able to heat-up/breakup/destroy of any metals through electromagnetics’ resonance frequencies’ guns.
We already do this with arc welders.
But if you want to use it as a weapon (with a range greater than 1 meter), you need to find some way of projecting electromagnetic energy through the air.

Radar and lasers transmit energy through the air, but you need to be pretty close with a powerful laser to shoot down a missile or plane.

Lightning certainly achieves this, but it requires voltages and currents that our present technology cannot create and direct (although I am sure that many military research organisations are investigating it).
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/06/2018 18:33:42
what is the absolute resonance frequency of the H2O?
As has been pointed out, it depends what you mean by "resonance".
If you mean- what frequency does it "ring" at if you hit it then you are looking at the vibrational resonances which are in the infra red region (the microwave  resonances mentioned earlier are for rotational excitation's).

There are a few different types of resonances, and each one will give a range of frequencies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_absorption_by_water
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: Lucy on 30/06/2018 18:24:03
what is the absolute resonance frequency of the H2O?
As has been pointed out, it depends what you mean by "resonance".
If you mean- what frequency does it "ring" at if you hit it then you are looking at the vibrational resonances which are in the infra red region (the microwave  resonances mentioned earlier are for rotational excitation's).

There are a few different types of resonances, and each one will give a range of frequencies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_absorption_by_water

Yeah I am talking about these types of effect:
If you are asking about molecular bond vibrational frequencies, this may be useful to you,
Thank you for help, yeah I am asking these types of vibrational RESONANCE frequency, please see the vibrational spectrum of the water the V1, V2, V3, has three types of fundamentals, the microwave oven frequency is single  vibrational frequency not the resonance frequency, if you discover the V1, V2, V3 fundamental’s resonance frequency you will get the ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY…, as per rough calculation more than three frequencies required for the finding of absolute result…
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: Bored chemist on 30/06/2018 18:45:23
What do you mean by "ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY"?
For what it's worth the vibrational frequencies of water vapour are near 47.8, 109.6, 112.6 and THz.
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: Lucy on 30/06/2018 20:24:12
What do you mean by "ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY"?
For what it's worth the vibrational frequencies of water vapour are near 47.8, 109.6, 112.6 and THz.

Dear Sir; With due respect kindly see these videos:
I think after watching of these videos, you may know what types of resonance effect, am talking about…
Similar glass has a Resonance frequency more the 3-frequencies can break the glass, am not talking about vibrational frequency like microwaves oven and etc… any MHZ, GHZ, THZ and etc…
I had successfully done to break the glass and aluminum alloy…
And interested to find Water, Fiber, All metals (Alloys) of ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY and etc…
This subject still undiscovered...
Lucy.
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: Bored chemist on 30/06/2018 21:18:05
Dear Sir; With due respect kindly see these videos:
It's not a matter of "respect".
I know what resonance is, so telling me to watch kids TV shows about it doesn't help.

What I am asking (and what you didn't answer) was what do you mean by  "ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY"?

What's "absolute" about it, and what distinguishes it from vibrational resonances?

If you are looking for the vibrational resonances of the water molecule then I already told you.
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: evan_au on 01/07/2018 00:39:46
Quote from: Lucy
I think after watching of these videos, you may know what types of resonance effect, am talking about…
I think you may be confusing the narrow resonance of high-quality glass with the broad resonance of liquid water.

In the second video, they needed a sound pressure level of over 100dBA to shatter the glass. That is a fair bit of sound energy.
- Good-quality glass is a "high-Q" resonator, which means that the vibrations will build up over time. This is illustrated by the few, very narrow frequencies that will resonate
- Glass has some inherent manufacturing stress, which makes it easier to shatter

In contrast:
- In liquid water, the energy of one molecule is distributed through the body of water via hydrogen bonds, so it is a low-Q resonator, as indicated by the very wide band of frequencies it absorbs.
- When water is formed from Hydrogen and Oxygen, a lot of energy is released, producing a very stable water molecule. You have to pump in at least this much energy to separate them again. The water molecule won't "shatter" like glass does.

So I'm afraid that you can't get energy from nothing by shattering water with just the right resonant frequency.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_factor
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: Lucy on 01/07/2018 08:04:16
Dear Sir; With due respect kindly see these videos:
It's not a matter of "respect".
I know what resonance is, so telling me to watch kids TV shows about it doesn't help.

What I am asking (and what you didn't answer) was what do you mean by  "ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY"?

What's "absolute" about it, and what distinguishes it from vibrational resonances?

If you are looking for the vibrational resonances of the water molecule then I already told you.

As earlier post someone indicated that variety of resonance/resonant effects are available which one is the topic?
My topic is new types of effect, that I am calling “ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY” basically you didn’t get my point these children’s videos are clarifying about more than three types of frequencies when all combined and then break the glass, I don’t have any other videos and time to demonstrate this science, am not talking about the amplitude, DB, sound effects and etc… or the glass quality or etc… the noticeable points are:
a)   You can break the glass with very tiny power might be through (ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY)?
b)   They are broken with audible frequencies, with many hits and trials, with the greater power/amplitude, but one thing is common more than three frequencies when combined can perform some special effects on object… i.e they put vibrational or external…
Thanks
Lucy
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: evan_au on 01/07/2018 12:17:13
Quote from: Lucy
You can break the glass with very tiny power
It is true that they shattered the glass, and made it useless to hold water.

But it is a considerable step to say that you could "shatter" water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen.

In fact, they didn't shatter very much of the glass. A back-of the envelope calculation:
- The glass looked to be about 4cm diameter and 4cm high
- The area of glass would be about 50 sq cm
- When it shattered, the amount of full-depth break looked to be about 20cm in length
- The Si-O bond length is around 150pm (150x10^-12)
- So the area that was actually shattered was about 3x10^-9 sq cm
- The sound managed to shatter about 1 in 10^10 atomic bonds in the glass
- This is moderately easy in glass, since it suffers brittle fracture

However:
- Liquid water does not suffer brittle fracture
- Solid water (ice) does suffer brittle fracture, but it will break apart at the relatively weak "Hydrogen bonds" (ie between different H2O molecules), not the much stronger Oxygen-Hydrogen covalent bonds within a single H2O molecule.

So acoustic or electromagnetic resonance won't break apart a significant number of water molecules. To break apart water molecules, you need temperatures of several thousand degrees.

It is possible to reach these temperatures by discharging an electric spark in water, or by applying high power ultrasound power. But these are "brute force" approaches, rather than a resonance effect.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: Bored chemist on 01/07/2018 12:45:37
My topic is new types of effect, that I am calling “ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY”

So, it's a fairy tale thing you made up.
Why are you asking on a science web page?
Title: Re: Resonant effects & few questions, if you hv facility pls do these experiments...
Post by: Lucy on 01/07/2018 20:18:01
My topic is new types of effect, that I am calling “ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY”

So, it's a fairy tale thing you made up.
Why are you asking on a science web page?

Yeah! in earlier post, i told you am thinking...
Basically "water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen" is not my topic, my topic is to find “ABSOLUTE RESONANCE FREQUENCY” of all elements...