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Title: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 11:07:08
Would it be illegal to produce an app that could predict results to a degree of accuracy whether it be the stock market or some types of gambling ?


If this is not illegal, is there any programmers on here who want to go into a joint venture with me? 


Looking to create a bit coin type venture that actually works ?


Stuff the world, I am going to become selfish like the rest of the world , I am going to find greed and put some greed into  my programming.

I am an expert on randomness, I understand quantum variance more than anyone on this planet. Variance becomes logically predictable.

P.s Don't let the cover of my book fool you, inside the book is some seriousness when required.

My XYZ matrix is awesome.   NGI v's var(x)  .


P.s Yes , I can prove it will work . 

Added -

1) Research Phase ( 10+ years ) : complete

2) Plan and intelligent design : complete

3) Computer software programming : incomplete

4) Marketing/selling  product (Ebay and other sources):  incomplete








Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 11:36:21

 "
I can prove it will work . 
Go on.
Predict next week's national lottery numbers. or the closing value of the FTSE index for next Friday- or... pretty much anything.
Do that a couple of times in a row, and people might take you seriously in spite of you saying


I understand quantum variance more than anyone on this planet.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 11:40:03

 "
I can prove it will work . 
Go on.
Predict next week's national lottery numbers. or the closing value of the FTSE index for next Friday- or... pretty much anything.
Do that a couple of times in a row, and people might take you seriously in spite of you saying


I understand quantum variance more than anyone on this planet.

I need the program making first , to make a full prediction with all the variables considered.   There is lots and lots of math involved,  I need the program to do the math of what it is asked to do.  The math is to much to calculate in ones mind, my XYZ matrix is +EV and based on lots of anomalies using the butterfly effect.  I am a genius after all and the program needed  is huge in size.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 11:45:34
You want some sort of proof ?  I understand, here is proof of how I learnt to deal with variance.


* proof.jpg (62.11 kB . 729x439 - viewed 1648 times)

Over a decade to learn this , look how I kept an equilibrium for a long time, that was not easy . The big decline at the beginning was practicing, playing with variance to understand ''her''.



Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 11:49:38
...whatever...
Predict the lottery or some such, and we might start listening
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 11:56:29
...whatever...
Predict the lottery or some such, and we might start listening
That graph anyone can view on an internet source, I have not made that graph , it is my measured performance.  I have been using that to perfect my XYZ matrix.  I have demonstrated it works.


* proof2.jpg (15.29 kB . 553x78 - viewed 1640 times)

R.O.I just under 6%  , now if that was multiplied by other sources , it would be looking like a good bet.


The particular problem why I can't go for just this particular thing shown in the graphs, there is a huge time investment in this one.

It is online poker.



Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 12:13:43
I predict in  7 hrs + time in tonight's Irish lottery draw, number 42 will NOT come out

I will also predict that number 38 will NOT come out.

Bare in mind though, this prediction is based on limited data so could go wrong.    The chance of them not showing is  ~90%.

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 12:14:11
There's a well known (illegal) scam that works like this...
You get a list of 10,000 people's email addresses.
You pick a big company like Microsoft.
You email hale the people on your address list  ad tell them that your model tells you that shares in Microsoft will go up at the end of he week; you email the other half and tell them your model predicts that the shares will fall during that period.
You wait and find out what actually happens.
Obviously, half the emails you sent were correct.
You take the email address of the ones where you made the "right" prediction and do the same thing- perhaps with another company's shares. You tell half of them that some particular shares will rise, and tell the other half they will fall.
Again you will have got the answer right in half the cases, so you continue to email the 2,500 to whom you have sent two correct prediction.

Repeat this process for a few more rounds.
You will end up with a group of people to whom you have sent the right prediction 7 times in a row.
If you started with 10,000 then you get 5000 right  in the first week, 2500 in the second and so on.
1250
625
312
156
78
So in the 7th round you have about 80 people who have received emails from you where you correctly predicted how the stocks would behave.

And then you offer to sell them your system for making predictions.
Yuu can pretty much name your price at this point.
Some of the gullible ones will buy in and you will be able to take their money.

It's been made to work a few times.
It is, of course illegal- it's fraud.


How do we know that you didn't set up a whole lot of accounts like the one you showed us, but only posted the one that looked good?

...whatever...
Predict the lottery or some such, and we might start listening
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 12:21:44
How do we know that you didn't set up a whole lot of accounts like the one you showed us, but only posted the one that looked good?

Because I have been all over the internet poker forums, I am banned from most, this is my one main poker account, I have played others , but not for years.  I concentrated on the biggest and hardest to beat variance, which is pokerstars.  There is like 10,000 people in some games.  It is not a scam, I know variance and can play with variance like a tool. So the idea after a  question was asked yesterday came to me, I could develop a program of how I use my mind .

Somebody asked about the Rubik cube , that give me the idea. 

added- So logically, how is it a scam if I only just had the idea?
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: alancalverd on 14/07/2018 12:24:42
Get  gorilla to pick the shares. In all laboratory trials, gorillas and octopi have outperformed human experts in predicting stuff like football results and share  prices.

The difference is that the outcome doesn't matter to a stockbroker. He gets commission on the value of the transaction, not whether it makes a profit. Same with casinos - in the long run you are beting against the other players, not the house.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 12:30:25
Get  gorilla to pick the shares. In all laboratory trials, gorillas and octopi have outperformed human experts in predicting stuff like football results and share  prices.

The difference is that the outcome doesn't matter to a stockbroker. He gets commission on the value of the transaction, not whether it makes a profit. Same with casinos - in the long run you are beting against the other players, not the house.

The ''Gorilla process'' is in my model, things are dependent to things.  The ''butterfly effect'' as to be accounted for.

The program would be a steady accumulator rather than a rapid incline , although some rapid inclines do happen because they have too as shown in the graph. My model stops the losses and sustains an equilibrium, so because of this , there can only be inclines over time. 
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 12:33:15
As I understand it (from wiki) the Irish lottery is a draw of 6 numbers from 45.
So, the odds on not drawing 42 as the first ball are 44/45
For the second, the odds are 43/44
3rd  42/43
4th  41/42
5th 40/41
and for the 6th 39/40

Multiply the odds together and the chances of any particular ball- say number 42- not being drawn are about 86.7%

You have "predicted" an event that has a nearly 9 in 10 chance of happening.
That's not going to impress anyone.

Did you somehow think it might?
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 12:36:09
As I understand it (from wiki) the Irish lottery is a draw of 6 numbers from 45.
So, the odds on not drawing 42 as the first ball are 44/45
For the second, the odds are 43/44
3rd  42/43
4th  41/42
5th 40/41
and for the 6th 39/40

Multiply the odds together and the chances of any particular ball- say number 42- not being drawn are about 86.7%

You have "predicted" an event that has a nearly 9 in 10 chance of happening.
That's not going to impress anyone.

Did you somehow think it might?
Did I need to write any math to make my prediction ?   Did you not read this is based on limited data?  I would have it more like 99.99%  with more data . 
I have had 100% in prediction with the national lottery , picking a single value coming out . Calculated , not random.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 12:45:21
xyz matrix

A rough sketch


* quantum matrix.jpg (196.88 kB . 2780x1880 - viewed 1659 times)





Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 12:46:55
added- So logically, how is it a scam if I only just had the idea?
You could have had the idea a year ago. Let's face it; scammers tell lies.

In order to convince us, you will have to predict something today that's got fairly long odds.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 12:47:29
xyz matrix

A rough sketch


* quantum matrix.jpg (196.88 kB . 2780x1880 - viewed 1659 times)




You need to stop imagining that diagrams like that are informative.
They are not.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 12:50:48
Did I need to write any math to make my prediction ? 
I have no idea- you may be using an octopus.
 Did you not read this is based on limited data? 
The workings of the Irish lottery are well documented so you have as much data as you eve will.
Obviously some data is missing- you don't know  what numbers will be drawn.
That's the  point.

I would have it more like 99.99%  with more data . 
What additional data  would you need?

I have had 100% in prediction with the national lottery , picking a single value coming out .
Then buy a ticket and get rich.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 12:54:55

Then buy a ticket and get rich.

If I say to much, yet again I will give the idea away, I need a math program to do it properly with lots of programmed information ,  ''it needs to be precise for it to work , we can't be mind readers of the future or confused, the programming needs to have specifics, I could do it with pen and paper if I have  all the data', it needs times and dates to work and the correct information.


The model will allow for a person to play and variance of bank roll will follow a pretty linear path, sustaining an equilibrium, the eventually , there will be a spike on the graph , an incline .


P.s Or should I just quit trying to do science and go play poker ?  I am wasting my time on science, might as well spend my time on poker instead right ?
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 13:25:20
The lottery is a game of luck; only the owner can win.
Poker is, in some regards, a game of skill. A good player can win against bad players.
So, if you are going to reliably make money from  gambling, it will need to be playing a game of  skill (or owning the "house").

However, so far on this board you have not shown the grasp of maths required to win at poker so I suggest that you don't play either game.

I need a math program to do it properly with lots of programmed information , 
Anyone who has a good enough grounding in maths to help you will have a good enough grounding in maths to understand that you are wasting your time.

Lots of "programmed information" can't possibly help.
The balls in the lottery machine have no memory.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 13:31:08
The lottery is a game of luck; only the owner can win.
Poker is, in some regards, a game of skill. A good player can win against bad players.
So, if you are going to reliably make money from  gambling, it will need to be playing a game of  skill (or owning the "house").

However, so far on this board you have not shown the grasp of maths required to win at poker so I suggest that you don't play either game.

I need a math program to do it properly with lots of programmed information , 
Anyone who has a good enough grounding in maths to help you will have a good enough grounding in maths to understand that you are wasting your time.

Lots of "programmed information" can't possibly help.
The balls in the lottery machine have no memory.
Like cards in a deck have no memory but they have means averages and a good player knows how to tap into this mean.  However, I would rather just set up a small shop or something, I have a business plan for that I have had for years, needs about 10k in capital though to start up because of the buying and delivery of stock.  I could buy untested returns from companies, of course because I am a ''fixer'' I could fix lots of things that need repair work.  Then of course sell in my shop as refurbished goods.  Obviously my I.T skills will allow me to extend the business online, of course I already know how to market products . Buy an online domain for about 0.99p set up a web page etc. 


Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 14:02:37
Like cards in a deck have no memory but they have means averages and a good player knows how to tap into this mean. 
No they don't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 14:11:23
Like cards in a deck have no memory but they have means averages and a good player knows how to tap into this mean.
No they don't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy


Dude , I know what gamblers fallacy is, but I know what I know about variation .  But never mind, my ideas and myself is worthless to science, I need to move on now, the grim reaper gets closer you know, I need a new thing to do , obvious science was not the thing where I would have any value.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: alancalverd on 14/07/2018 16:07:42
So do as the man says. Buy one lottery ticket and win the £10k you need to start the next phase. When you have won £1,000,000 show me the evidence (a suitcase full of fifties will suffice) and I'll help you develop the project. The promise of certain world domination and my eternal friendship for £1 is surely attractive, and you can probably  find £1 between the sofa cushions..
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 16:13:48
So do as the man says. Buy one lottery ticket and win the £10k you need to start the next phase. When you have won £1,000,000 show me the evidence (a suitcase full of fifties will suffice) and I'll help you develop the project. The promise of certain world domination and my eternal friendship for £1 is surely attractive, and you can probably  find £1 between the sofa cushions..


I have already started my lottery theory  several weeks ago, I won some the first week to break even..  I am playing international lottery but tonight I have a ticket for the English lottery so I have already got my ticket and hope my theory works out to prove my idea works. I have spent a tenner on 4 attempts and have also had a go at the Irish lottery and Polish lottery using my ideas.  So we will see, I have had this theory for years so we will see if I am full of chit or not  :)

P.s If I win, I will bring you suit case full of 50's to help me do my program, the program would be worth millions.  Of course we would have to have an un-disclosure agreement.  ( I hope that means you can't tell anybody how the program would work).

added- The lottery is now £2 Alan lol
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 16:42:42
Why did you feel the need to start a thread about this?
Anyway, if you have a system, all you have to do is post your lottery prediction here.
If you get it right we might believe you.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 17:22:13
Why did you feel the need to start a thread about this?
Anyway, if you have a system, all you have to do is post your lottery prediction here.
If you get it right we might believe you.
Because if my theory works , It would be pointless to go down the path of making a program if it were illegal.  I was considering the future and a future marketable product  .   I could not post my prediction here or other people might bet my numbers.   I can do my theory in my head, but not everyone can do theory .

We will see if it works tonight  , I tried hard on this one , used my brain a lot. I will be back after the draw , If I am cheering you know I won something lol ,  :D


added- Just thought , I have not got a television to watch the draw live, I will have to await the results online.

Can't you remember my equation from before ? 

x ≠ y ≠ z  ?

My Matrix .

added - I don't think using your brain can be illegal   :-\

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 18:04:58
The lottery  authorities will let you choose your numbers any way you like- because they know that it will not make a difference to them.
So, as far as I can tell, it's perfectly legal to use a program to try to improve your odds.

(Obviously, you are not allowed to influence the draw itself).


The problem here is not legality. The problem is that you can't  hope to do better than random chance.
(You can avoid choosing numbers which lots of others choose in order to maximise a payout if you get lucky).

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 18:09:11
You can avoid choosing numbers which lots of others choose in order to maximise a payout if you get lucky

Of course, also you can account for repeats etc and of course there is always the element of the luck as well.  I just hope I get lucky as well, the ideas I have could be wrong, I agree.   I had 4 played bets and a random bet the kiosk generated.

I also have the raffles, I might get lucky in a raffle, but if that happens , that means my theory didn't work and I will be more gutted about being wrong than happy winning the raffle lol.

Whats the raffle prize, like a cuddly toy or something similar? :D
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 18:58:37
Tell us the number you bet on
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 19:00:19
Tell us the number you bet on
Numbers , not number.  My random generated one from the kiosk is

04/07/11/25/27/31

But I hold little hope for that one. only one of them may come out according to my notions, sorry maybe two , but I am not telling you lol , you still have time to put a bet on. Sharing is caring, but I am skint sorry lolz  :)

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 14/07/2018 20:08:48
Well, if you don't tell us in advance, we are unlikely to believe you.
Since we don't think you can guess the right answer we don't think your system will work and we won't bother to buy tickets.
The worst that would happen is that we end up sharing the win.
You can do it again next week.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 20:40:07
Well, if you don't tell us in advance, we are unlikely to believe you.
Since we don't think you can guess the right answer we don't think your system will work and we won't bother to buy tickets.
The worst that would happen is that we end up sharing the win.
You can do it again next week.
Well, I guess I am just stupid, it did not work although I did get the 4.   I think it is time I give up now , I spent money I didn't really have to spend, that's stupid of me.

Added- I think it is safe to say, I had my ass handed to me..........what a mug.

A final add, £00.00 in the bank and a £83.00 internet bill, so I guess this will be goodbye this time, my gamble failed.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: alancalverd on 14/07/2018 21:54:22
There is almost nothing (apart from fixing the lottery itself) that could be illegal in attempting to predict the result. There was one hiccup  some years ago when the rollover prize in the Irish lottery exceeded the value of printed tickets for sale and the Mafia bought all the tickets, but nowadays there is no limit on the number of tickets in any state lottery so you would have to buy every combination of numbers to be sure of winning.

Two other good wheezes were bananas and postage stamps.

(a) Tesco ran a one-day promotion on bananas such  that the value of loyalty points exceeded the cost of the bananas, so some bright guy bought all the bananas in his local store and gave them away in the car park.

(b) The Post Office announced a large forthcoming increase (something like 5p) in the cost of first-class postage. A shrewd investor bought £20,000 worth of stamps and sold them in the following days for 1p less than their new value: a useful saving for small businesses and a fair profit for the investor.

Same applies to the stock exchange: buy low and sell high. But you can also sell at the top of a peak and repurchase as the shares slide, so you retain your asset and make a profit. The computer comes in handy not for  predicting the ups and downs, or even maximising gains, but for making very rapid transactions of huge sums when such fluctuations are actually observed. Problem is that the big boys already have the software in place.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 14/07/2018 23:46:51
the value of loyalty points exceeded the cost of the bananas,
No doubt, he walked home smiling and satisfied, knowing he made the right play .  Loyalty points take a while to build up, he sacrificed a lot of bananas to build his points up I bet.

Quote
Same applies to the stock exchange: buy low and sell high. But you can also sell at the top of a peak and repurchase as the shares slide, so you retain your asset and make a profit. The computer comes in handy not for  predicting the ups and downs, or even maximising gains, but for making very rapid transactions of huge sums when such fluctuations are actually observed. Problem is that the big boys already have the software in place.


I have never ventured into the stock market, although I have dealt with stock when I have done some wheeling and dealing.  Buy for cheap and sell for more is always profitable, as you say sometimes even buying back to retain assets and make a profit is a good play.  I sold a hi-fi system 5 times once lol , buying it back each time cheaper than I sold it them.  Rental fee's lol.   :)

Renting things out is also profitable, as long as the goods can last the period to gain more rent than retail value to make a profit on a profit.

You know, say you bought a television from a wholesale for £100 that the retail value was £200.  But if you could rent that television out at £20 a month and it lasts, lets say 30 month before it packed in.  30 month * £20 = £600 , so it is a huge mark up. Of course related to short term and long term investment.

Of course there is also predictive means on the stock market,  we can gain an edge from the previous years ''growth chart'' of a company and then employ analysis of the data to create a strategy to account for variations etc.

Added - Think my internet is going off at 12 maybe, so good luck  to you all in making your realities work. 
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 16/07/2018 12:41:53
Mega millions tomorrow, hope I am not developing a bad habit , or should I play Euro millions tonight ?  Can't decide, I have got enough money to have a couple of tickets, feel like Charlie, not the sort that is sniffed lol, the sort that likes chocolate factories ahaha, dreams of glory, jackanory,  you wouldn't you like to know.   :-\ ??? :o ::)
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/07/2018 19:34:49
Post the numbers you predict will win.
If they do then you can pretty much name your price for the "method".
If they don't it has cost you nothing.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 16/07/2018 19:49:56
Post the numbers you predict will win.
If they do then you can pretty much name your price for the "method".
If they don't it has cost you nothing.
For which one?

How about Wednesdays national lottery ?  Give you time get a bet on .

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/07/2018 20:25:20
Post the numbers you predict will win.
If they do then you can pretty much name your price for the "method".
If they don't it has cost you nothing.
For which one?

How about Wednesdays national lottery ?  Give you time get a bet on .


That's as good as any.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 16/07/2018 20:28:05
Post the numbers you predict will win.
If they do then you can pretty much name your price for the "method".
If they don't it has cost you nothing.
For which one?

How about Wednesdays national lottery ?  Give you time get a bet on .


That's as good as any.

I can't get in trouble for giving out predictions?

I predict :  07/09/12/19//27/41  bonus ball 8 or  in the mix and one of the mix a bonus ball. I also have a few variations of that , but that is my main choice with my system. Additionally because of my prior weeks , I am due another win to break even or better.  Consider week one I had a slight incline slope then it declined so now it should find balance again, if not this week, I expect an incline soon like shown in my poker graph.





Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/07/2018 20:38:34
Now we wait.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Kryptid on 16/07/2018 20:42:02
Speaking of predictions, I've got one: based on past patterns of behavior, I'm willing to bet that each time Thebox posts that he's going to have to leave the forums for financial (or whatever) reasons, he'll conveniently always find a way around the source of the problem at the last minute and stick around. It's looking more and more like an attention-seeking ploy.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 16/07/2018 20:49:56
Speaking of predictions, I've got one: based on past patterns of behavior, I'm willing to bet that each time Thebox posts that he's going to have to leave the forums for financial (or whatever) reasons, he'll conveniently always find a way around the source of the problem at the last minute and stick around. It's looking more and more like an attention-seeking ploy.
More like the person I care for had her main benefit stopped so I have chipped in what I get to help out. I have to live by the day dude , it is not easy , I had to sell some fishing bits to cover the internet bill this time.  I would hate to just vanish without saying bye to you all. So lots of byes and lots of returns lol. You haven't lived unless you been on benefits and experienced life other than work and money.  Being skint isn't all bad but it would be nice to have more.

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: The Spoon on 16/07/2018 21:14:58
Speaking of predictions, I've got one: based on past patterns of behavior, I'm willing to bet that each time Thebox posts that he's going to have to leave the forums for financial (or whatever) reasons, he'll conveniently always find a way around the source of the problem at the last minute and stick around. It's looking more and more like an attention-seeking ploy.
More like the person I care for had her main benefit stopped so I have chipped in what I get to help out. I have to live by the day dude , it is not easy , I had to sell some fishing bits to cover the internet bill this time.  I would hate to just vanish without saying bye to you all. So lots of byes and lots of returns lol. You haven't lived unless you been on benefits and experienced life other than work and money.  Being skint isn't all bad but it would be nice to have more.


So you claim to be supporting somebody who has had their benefit stopped and you spunk away your money on lottery and piss about on here instead of seeking employment. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 16/07/2018 21:20:35
So you claim to be supporting somebody who has had their benefit stopped and you spunk away your money on lottery and piss about on here instead of seeking employment. Pathetic.

I have searched for employment on here working from home, but nobody will hire me because I am a drama queen  ::) 

I will agree I am pathetic and then that gives you no argument to give back.   
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/07/2018 21:23:48
Speaking of predictions, I've got one: based on past patterns of behavior, I'm willing to bet that each time Thebox posts that he's going to have to leave the forums for financial (or whatever) reasons, he'll conveniently always find a way around the source of the problem at the last minute and stick around. It's looking more and more like an attention-seeking ploy.
Now we wait.

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: syhprum on 17/07/2018 11:38:57
I used to have a small TV rental business 30 years ago before TV,s got much cheaper and long lasting but no one wants to rent today.
Professional investors spend lots of money on high speed fibre optic cables to remote places like Iceland to save milliseconds you cant compete with that .
Before the days of ultra scans doctors used to tell mothers to be that they would have a boy but write in their notes that she was expecting a girl and quote the notes if need be.
I would never waste money on lottery tickets and would never write down any possible ones just in case they came up.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/07/2018 12:49:49
I would never waste money on lottery tickets and would never write down any possible ones just in case they came up.
Well I have my tickets , I could not write the numbers down and not buy a ticket just in case.  A gamble here and there never hurts anybody, I shrug my shoulders when I lose.  I would rather waste a bit of money on gambling rather than getting drunk for an example.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/07/2018 20:43:37
I would rather waste a bit of money on gambling rather than getting drunk for an example.
They are both acceptable options - but only if you have spare money.
Since you have not, your assertion  that "A gamble here and there never hurts anybody, " is plainly wrong.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 17/07/2018 20:58:36
I would rather waste a bit of money on gambling rather than getting drunk for an example.
They are both acceptable options - but only if you have spare money.
Since you have not, your assertion  that "A gamble here and there never hurts anybody, " is plainly wrong.
True, but when your chips are down, sometimes you just have to go , all-in. I have two American lotto tickets for tonight, I really need some luck if I am honest.  I will probably cry if I can't take my kids anywhere this holiday term.  Life is chite.

I know why people believe in God now.....

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 19/07/2018 13:04:37
Well so far I am still about even monetary wise, with my lotto system. Each week I get disappointed, because I am not getting the spike my system predicts. 
I need to adjust my system slightly, it took me a while in poker to perfect the system,  something is niggling me about Gorillas out performing humans , maybe the answer is being completely random, maybe I should get a Gorilla to pick my numbers. How can the human mind become completely random like the Gorilla?
The human mind tries to associate numbers and tries to link things together, making something of nothing.  How do we get rid of this association ?   How do I find and devise pure random thinking and stop association numbers that have no relevance to the randomness of the numbers outcome?
Its not quite the same as poker or roulette for sure....Lotto is like one go in amount of time , discrete time compared to the constant turns and continuous time of a roulette wheel. 

Added- Hey Lotto people if anybody is listening, can you please make a quick fire lotto game ? 

Make it like 0.25p a turn ?

A bit like a new game crossed between bingo and roulette and lotto!

Added- Yes that would be cool, the lotto running all day long 24/7 with different times for the draws.

Added- Even better , how about a National lottery, National treasure hunt, where treasures are hidden throughout the UK to find .  You have to buy a ticket to compete and it could be based on clues like the series treasure hunt or something similar.

Can you hear the Saturday night  announcer ,

It's that time again, it'ssssssss treasure hunting time ................


Added- It would also make prime time viewing , people would watch for clues. 



Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 19/07/2018 13:40:29
I have thought about this more, imagine lets say 5 million in prizes divided by all the counties, in each  county is several ''carriers'',  these ''carriers'' hold a golden ticket to whoever finds them  at locations in each county given by clues. 


I want to play this game now, some one invent it, it sounds proper fun .

No opinions ?

Any investors ?  I will create the game , I am good at creative . 

Do any of you even remember treasure hunt ?



Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: alancalverd on 19/07/2018 13:57:57
Gambling bores me, and gamblers even more so. I once attended Epsom races and predicted seven winners, but I had no money to bet with. One of my buddies drew a horse in the office Grand National sweepstake. Knowing his bad luck he asked a bookie for the odds that his horse would fall at the first fence. He bet £5 at 20/1 and won. There is an excellent short story and radio play about a girl who raffled her wages every week and took home 5 times her salary, tax free. That is all I know or care about gambling.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 19/07/2018 14:44:58
Gambling bores me, and gamblers even more so. I once attended Epsom races and predicted seven winners, but I had no money to bet with. One of my buddies drew a horse in the office Grand National sweepstake. Knowing his bad luck he asked a bookie for the odds that his horse would fall at the first fence. He bet £5 at 20/1 and won. There is an excellent short story and radio play about a girl who raffled her wages every week and took home 5 times her salary, tax free. That is all I know or care about gambling.
I need to give up on gambling, I have lost my confidence to read the odds now.

Added - Well perhaps I might have another gamble, the rewards are huge , have you seen the american lotto for example and the euro one.  I think though I am just going get the person I care for pick my next numbers for me with my luck.  I did cash in my ticket but I am skint until tomorrow had to spend that , so I might have a last go tomorrow, either do the euro or the Saturday lotto.  It is good I cashed in one ticket, was that ticket worth a gamble ?
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: PmbPhy on 21/07/2018 11:40:57
Would it be illegal to produce an app that could predict results to a degree of accuracy whether it be the stock market or some types of gambling ?
Its not illegal at all. However there are already texts out there to predict the market. If you get caught using the gambling techniques in an gambling establishment you'll be banned from there. People at MIT used a form of card counting, made a lot of money but are now banned from all casinos in Las Vegas.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/07/2018 12:16:13
Well so far I am still about even monetary wise, with my lotto system.
No, you are not.
However, you remember the times you won, but forget the times you lost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 21/07/2018 12:38:53
Well so far I am still about even monetary wise, with my lotto system.
No, you are not.
However, you remember the times you won, but forget the times you lost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Well, I have changed my strategy so hopefully I may produce a win.  Just hope I can guess some correct numbers tonight...I have a few ''favorites'' I have wrote down . 

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/07/2018 12:50:04
Well, I have changed my strategy so hopefully I may produce a win.  Just hope I can guess some correct numbers tonight...I have a few ''favorites'' I have wrote down . 
Don't waste your money.
It's impossible to beat the lottery unless you are an "insider".
You can not afford to throw money away
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 21/07/2018 13:11:07
Well, I have changed my strategy so hopefully I may produce a win.  Just hope I can guess some correct numbers tonight...I have a few ''favorites'' I have wrote down . 
Don't waste your money.
It's impossible to beat the lottery unless you are an "insider".
You can not afford to throw money away

Well , I have got about £25, £25 does not buy much this day and age, so I am going to gamble it on the lottery . Not going bother though until later on. 
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/07/2018 13:23:45
It's true that £25 won't get you much, but it's also true that buying lottery tickets will get you even less.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 21/07/2018 13:29:57
It's true that £25 won't get you much, but it's also true that buying lottery tickets will get you even less.
Well that puts me off having a gamble, but if i don't take a gamble, then £25 will not be enough to do much at all, where if my gamble pays off, I might double it or triple it even. I might just lose though too, but I have to try something, I don't know what else to do.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/07/2018 14:05:56
I don't know what else to do.
Put it to one side until you think of something better.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 21/07/2018 18:25:11
I don't know what else to do.
Put it to one side until you think of something better.

Your probably right, I should leave my money left on the side safe. 
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 21/07/2018 19:47:57
Damn you stupid lottery , lost again by the looks of it , grrrrrrrrr, ready to swear at the damn thing now......Should of saved my money, proper skint now grrrrrrr.........I hate lotto...... :'( :'( :'( :'(


Such a stupid dk, what a  waste of money, grrrr......never again , the lotto proper taking the piss out of me, I was fool to think I could  beat the lotto with a system.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/07/2018 20:15:24
I was fool to think I could  beat the lotto with a system.
You were also a fool not to listen.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 21/07/2018 20:18:48
I was fool to think I could  beat the lotto with a system.
You were also a fool not to listen.
Well a fool not to listen and a fool to listen to myself, oh well I guess its time call the Samaritans or something the way I am now feeling. My little boys birthday this week and I can't do anything with him, I am useless and might as well not be any more.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 21/07/2018 20:28:39
Enhance my calm.....

Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: The Spoon on 22/07/2018 00:08:56
It's true that £25 won't get you much, but it's also true that buying lottery tickets will get you even less.
Well that puts me off having a gamble, but if i don't take a gamble, then £25 will not be enough to do much at all, where if my gamble pays off, I might double it or triple it even. I might just lose though too, but I have to try something, I don't know what else to do.
Dont know what to do? How about not wasting your time and other peoples posting your nonsense on line, then finding a job and actually doing some work to earn money? 
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 22/07/2018 00:53:04
It's true that £25 won't get you much, but it's also true that buying lottery tickets will get you even less.
Well that puts me off having a gamble, but if i don't take a gamble, then £25 will not be enough to do much at all, where if my gamble pays off, I might double it or triple it even. I might just lose though too, but I have to try something, I don't know what else to do.
Dont know what to do? How about not wasting your time and other peoples posting your nonsense on line, then finding a job and actually doing some work to earn money? 
FYI , I tried to get a job working from home,  no success yet.    I tried to get a science investment, no success yet, I tried winning the lotto , no success yet.  I want to start a business, not easy and no success yet.  Perhaps I should design a new chair for offices or something like that .
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Colin2B on 22/07/2018 09:25:02
FYI , I tried to get a job working from home,  no success yet.    I tried to get a science investment, no success yet, I tried winning the lotto , no success yet.  I want to start a business, not easy and no success yet.  Perhaps I should design a new chair for offices or something like that .
A friend of ours had an idea for a startup, couldn’t get funding. Took jobs on building site, etc, anything to raise cash and pay living costs while he got going. Big success, made lot of money, won’t mention name but some people would recognise it. One thing that marks out entrepreneurs is their single minded, 24/7 push to get where they want to be.
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/07/2018 10:34:09
  I tried to get a science investment, no success yet,
You are not doing science
I tried winning the lotto , no success yet. 
The only way to make money from a lottery is to run it.

I tried to get a job working from home,  no success yet. 
Why "from home"?
Why not go out + mow lawns or pull weeds?
Title: Re: Would it be illegal to ?
Post by: guest39538 on 22/07/2018 14:38:23
Why not go out + mow lawns or pull weeds?
Working from home is obvious convenient,  I have extended my options  now though to include working, away from home.