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Title: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 09/08/2018 05:58:37
How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear..
Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftapemark.narod.ru%2Fmore%2F22.png&hash=9546d833539e7641374e2b0a202d29a4)

 High and low tides are the result of the earth rotation and of the whirlpools.

The discovery was published in the Russian-German scientific peer-reviewed journal “Eastern European Scientific Journal” No. 3/2015. p. 64 June
http://www.auris-archiv.de/journal.html
Scientific journal "NBICS-Science, Technologies" No.4/2018. p. 104
(Nanotechnology Society of Russia)
http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii
A positive review was received also from the Institute of Geography of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

There is a strict pattern - tides are formed not along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts with a high current velocity, and the higher the velocity of the currents, the higher the amplitude of the tidal wave.
No tides are formed on these coasts where currents do not have a high velocity.

The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming giant whirlpools.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre

As is well known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, has the property of a gyroscope (whirligig) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.http://goo.gl/AM5g1s

If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the whirlpools, rotating with the Earth, overturn, twice a day, due to which the whirlpools precess (sway by 1-2 degrees) and reflect a tidal wave from themselves along the entire perimeter of the whirlpool.https://goo.gl/images/M4SJq8

The waters of the White Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a huge whirlpool-gyroscope, which, while precessing, reflects a tidal wave along the entire perimeter of the White Sea.
A similar pattern of tides is observed in all lakes, seas, and oceans.http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png

The waters of the Mediterranean Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming tides 10-15 cm high. But in the Gulf of Gabes, off the coast of Tunisia, the height of the tides reaches three meters, and sometimes more, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, a whirlpool rotates in the Gulf of Gabes, precessing and reflecting an additional tidal wave.
The tidal wave in the Amazon River is created a huge planetary whirlpool with a diameter of several thousand kilometers, rotating between South America and North Africa, covering the mouth of the Amazon River.
The pattern of tidal wave movement over the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary whirlpool.

The tidal wave length depends on the whirlpool diameter. And the tidal wave height depends on the whirlpool rotation speed, the Earth orbital velocity, and the whirlpool tilting time (12 hours).
А = V1•V2/t
where: A - tidal wave amplitude (precession angle).
V1 - whirlpool rotation speed.
V2 - the Earth orbital velocity.
t - whirlpool tilting time (12 hours).

The whirlpool theory of tides can easily be verified by relation between the tidal wave height and the whirlpools rotation speed.
By the tides height you can determine the speed of the current along the coast, based on a map of sea currents.

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Why does the equator have tides lower than in temperate zones?

According to the lunar theory of tides, the earth's crust at the latitude of London, with a frequency of two times a day, rises and falls with an amplitude of about 20 cm, at the equator the swing of oscillations exceeds half a meter. (2.5 times more).
Then why, the highest tides are formed in the temperate zones and not at the equator?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Fandi Bay in North America - 18 m, at the mouth of the Severn River in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the mouths of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at the cape Nerpinsky in the Mezensky Bay - 11 m.
If to argue logically, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35-40 meters.
If, the Bay of Fundy was on the equator, then the height of the tide was 45 meters.
The swirling theory of tides explains this inconsistency by the absence of whirlpools at the equator, as well as cyclones and anticyclones.
To form whirlpools, cyclones and anticyclones, the deflecting force of Coriolis is needed. At the equator, the effect of the Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, the maximum..

The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of ​​Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of ​​Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
Typification and regionalization of the seas http://proznania.ru/?page_id=2349
Sea of ​​the USSR http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/

Tides are not formed along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but are formed only on those coasts with a high speed of currents (1-5 km / h).
On those coasts where currents do not have a high velocity, tides do not form.
With increasing current speed in the north of the Sea of Okhotsk (10 km / h), the height of tides in the Penzhinskaya Bay increases to 12 meters.
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/41.png
With increasing current speed in the north of the Gulf of Maine (15 km / h), the height of the tides in the Bay of Fundy rises to 18 meters.
https://goo.gl/images/cWTVG4
http://www.gulfofmaine-census.org/wp-content/images/circulation/fig4.jpg
"Record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the history of observations, on the night of October 4 to October 5 in 1869 under the influence of the cyclone Saxby Gale."
On the night of October 4 to 5, in 1869, under the influence of the cyclone Saxby Gale, "a record rainfall fell over the river basins flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm in one day), so that the waters of the Bay of Fundy poured into the Gulf of Maine and increased the speed of rotation a whirlpool in the Gulf of Maine.
http://www.gulfofmaine.org/ebm/toolkitsurvey/images/exec-sum-2.jpg
In an abnormally cold winter and during a drought, when the rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy merge, the height of the tides does not exceed 5 meters.
https://www.tide-forecast.com/locations/Fundy-Offshore-1-Nova-Scotia/tides/latest
Table: The dependence of the amplitude of the tides of the Bay of Fundy, on the flow velocity in the north of the Gulf of Maine.
1 km / h - 1 m
5 km / h - 5 m
10 km / h - 10 m
15 km / h - 15 m
The average speed of the current in the English Channel is: 15-18.5 km / h at Cape Ag France.
The maximum height of the tides is 15 m (the city of Saint-Malo, France).
https:/.../m.youtube.com/watch?v=JdEkHGZMh8I
https:/.../m.youtube.com/watch?v=JNOpJxfI_Mg
http:/.../geosfera.org/evropa/718-la-mansh-proliv-mezhdu-angliey-i-franciey.html
https:/.../m.youtube.com/watch?v=M44miAiHhrk

The lunar tidal wave, moving from the Indian Ocean from east to west, cuts into the eastern shore of the island of Madagascar, contrary to expectations, creates zero tides. And the abnormally high tides, which for some reason formed in the west of the island of Madagascar. Wikipedia explains this discrepancy by reflection of waves and by the fact that the Coriolis force is performing its work.
And the real cause of this inconsistency is the giant whirlpool that revolves around the island of Madagascar at a speed of 9 km / h, precessing the reflective tidal wave to the east coast of Africa.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: chris on 09/08/2018 14:10:29
I put you image link into (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F&hash=3cd4f4119996b42d10f5ed9eb0e8d712) tags (the bb code button of Mona Lisa in the reply section). for you. Can you please explain what the image shows?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 09/08/2018 16:06:32
Thank you, Chris!
If you mean the picture of the White Sea, it can be seen.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: chris on 09/08/2018 16:55:42
Thank you, Chris!
If you mean the picture of the White Sea, it can be seen.

I beg to differ! If it was totally obvious to me then I wouldn't have asked you for clarification!
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 09/08/2018 18:02:46
Thank you, Chris!
If you mean the picture of the White Sea, it can be seen.

I beg to differ! If it was totally obvious to me then I wouldn't have asked you for clarification!
Once a year, in the delta of the Northern Dvina, during the spring high tides, the tides disappear mysteriously for several days, sometimes even for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, the sleeves of the delta of the Northern Dvina are flooded with broken ice and forest, 10-15 km long and 15 m high. For this reason, the flow of water in the river disappears, and with it the whirlpool at the river mouth, precessing the reflecting tidal wave.
During the flood, the water flow in the rivers increases fivefold. White Sea Lion. (map) http://goo.gl/kqFvF7
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/08/2018 18:57:11
So, what you have is evidence that a river  in flood can push water around in spite of the tide.
So what?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 10/08/2018 10:12:23
200 meters from the mouth of the Amazon River, two whirlpools of 400 km rotate. in diameter each, which, precessing reflect a tidal wave in the direction of the Amazon River
http://cropcircleseason.blogspot.com/2011/04/giant-whirlpools-appear-in-atlantic.html?m=1
http://www.planet-nwes.ru/v-atlantike-obnaruzheno-dva-400-kilometrovyh-vodovorota/
The waters of the Amazon River form these two whirlpools.
The amplitude of the tides in the Amazon River depends on the speed of rotation of these whirlpools.
Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools 
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=73127.0
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 10/08/2018 18:13:18
As has been pointed out before, the moon's gravity (or the Sun's) is not the only force involved in tides. Local river currents and the wind/ air pressure also have an effect.

But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 15/08/2018 15:36:07
How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear..
Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%3A%2F...%2Ftapemark.narod.ru%2Fmore%2F22.png&hash=51177848f605e43c485b21911fc0744a)
Answer:
The water vortex disappears.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 15/08/2018 18:17:06
Answer:
The water vortex disappears.
Wrong answer
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 21:10:33
Answer:
The water vortex disappears.
Wrong answer
And what disappears, ocean or gravity?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/08/2018 22:02:30
Answer:
The water vortex disappears.
Wrong answer
And what disappears, ocean or gravity?
Neither- obviously.
This is another of those occasions where you just say something silly.
Why do you do that?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 21/08/2018 21:38:38
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/08/2018 21:48:44
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters, once in the history of observation.
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4 times.
Question: What happened in the Bay of Fundy in one day (gravity, coastline or the inclination of the lunar orbit have changed).
Have you heard of weather?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 22/08/2018 16:06:42
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
Have you heard of weather?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
In the North Sea in 1953, during the spring tide season, the northwestern storm wind caused a flood in the south of the northern sea. The sea level rose 5.6 meters above average sea level.
The amplitude of the tides does not increase the wind, the wind raises the sea level.
The waters of the northern sea rotate counter-clockwise, and the northeasterly wind can increase the amplitude of the tides by rotating the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_surge
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/08/2018 19:18:29
The amplitude of the tides does not increase the wind, the wind raises the sea level.
And sometimes the changes in air pressure that drive the wind also drive changes in water level which may increase or decrease the apparent tidal range.

Do you remember me asking you what drives the monsoon?
Perhaps you should have paid attention  then.
Never mind, now you have been told a second time, perhaps you will understand it.


Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 23/08/2018 15:20:42
Air pressure actually leads to a slight change in sea level, but this does not affect the amplitude of the tides.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/08/2018 19:21:38
Air pressure actually leads to a slight change in sea level, but this does not affect the amplitude of the tides.

No
Barometric pressure affects the sea level to the extent of about 1 cm for each hPa change in air pressure.
Air pressure in the UK has varied between about 950 to 1050 hPa so the range is about a metre.

What's more interesting is when a bulge in the sea caused by air pressure  is driven into a bay of some sort- that's when you get serious changes in water level.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 23/08/2018 20:52:14
Air pressure in the UK has varied between about 950 to 1050 hPa so the range is about a metre.
What's more interesting is when a bulge in the sea caused by air pressure  is driven into a bay of some sort- that's when you get serious changes in water level.
I did not know this, but this is a weighty argument.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/08/2018 21:25:06
I did not know this
There are many things you do not know.
Perhaps you should learn some before trying to tell everyone that they are wrong .
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 23/08/2018 21:35:28
I did not know this
There are many things you do not know.
Perhaps you should learn some before trying to tell everyone that they are wrong
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.
You can give a link to this information.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: The Spoon on 24/08/2018 08:10:55
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me
Judging by your posts they are evidently not.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 02:11:07
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
Have you heard of weather?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Kryptid on 26/08/2018 02:54:42
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.

Show your math.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 09:34:23
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.

Show your math.
This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Ophiolite on 26/08/2018 09:40:24
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.

Show your math.
This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?

You made the assertion in this thread, you should respond (with the math) in this thread.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 26/08/2018 10:22:35
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
No
I did not know this,
It seems you have yet to learn.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 14:25:01
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
No
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.
You can give a link to this information.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 26/08/2018 14:31:41
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
No
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.
You can give a link to this information.
This is one. The effect is well known to sailors who make adjustments based on weather.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Kryptid on 26/08/2018 14:59:57
This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?

So you didn't do any actual math.

The Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute confirms that a change in pressure of 1 hPa changes the sea level by 1 centimeter: https://www.smhi.se/en/theme/air-pressure-and-sea-level-1.12266

Quote
The average sea level during a year is 0 cmPGA and the average air pressure is 1013 hPa. Since the air pressure normally varies between 950 and 1050 hPa during a year, the expected variation in sea level due to air pressure is between +63 cm and -37 cm around mean sea level.

63 centimeters plus 37 centimeters is 100 centimeters (1 meter),
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 16:13:54
This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?

So you didn't do any actual math.

The Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute confirms that a change in pressure of 1 hPa changes the sea level by 1 centimeter: https://www.smhi.se/en/theme/air-pressure-and-sea-level-1.12266

Quote
The average sea level during a year is 0 cmPGA and the average air pressure is 1013 hPa. Since the air pressure normally varies between 950 and 1050 hPa during a year, the expected variation in sea level due to air pressure is between +63 cm and -37 cm around mean sea level.

63 centimeters plus 37 centimeters is 100 centimeters (1 meter),
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.
You can give a link to this information. (Where you saw that this is the eighth wonder of the world)
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Kryptid on 26/08/2018 17:37:02
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.

This is literally the third time that you have made this statement word-for-word.

Quote
You can give a link to this information.

I already did. I can post it, but I can't make you read it: https://www.smhi.se/en/theme/air-pressure-and-sea-level-1.12266

Quote
(Where you saw that this is the eighth wonder of the world)

What are you even talking about?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 18:10:00
I can post it, but I can't make you read it: https://www.smhi.se/en/theme/air-pressure-and-sea-level-1.12266
I apologize for my inattention, very informative link.
I know that the maximum speed of the current in the east of the Finnish Gulf is up to 15 km an hour, once in a hundred years. (During the south-west wind).
I wonder what the maximum speed of the current is in the east of the Botnic Bay.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 20:11:46
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
Sharp fluctuations in the amplitude of tides occur not only in the Bay of Fundy, but also in other bays where rivers flow.
You can read the encyclopedia
https://www.encyclopedia.com/earth-and-environment/geology-and-oceanography/geology-and-oceanography/tides
https://www.1902encyclopedia.com/T/TID/tides.html
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 27/08/2018 14:23:21
Everyone else knows the answer. It’s only you ignoring the truth.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 28/08/2018 17:36:30
Everyone else knows the answer.
Such experts in the field of tides as Laplace, D.G. Darwin, J. Erie and others could not answer this question, and all forum participants know the answer.
It's curious!
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Kryptid on 29/08/2018 00:39:16
Such experts in the field of tides as Laplace, D.G. Darwin, J. Erie and others could not answer this question, and all forum participants know the answer.
It's curious!

So you're relying on the word of people from the late 19th and early 20th century (or in Laplace's case early 19th century) to overturn what is accepted scientific fact in the 21st century?

It's curious!
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 29/08/2018 06:31:27
Such experts in the field of tides as Laplace, D.G. Darwin, J. Erie and others could not answer this question, and all forum participants know the answer.
It's curious!
What is curious is that you think tidal theory stopped with Laplace et al, and you seem to be ignoring all work since a 1902 encyclopedia.
The question is now answerable, but only you seem unwilling to accept it.
Get a better encyclopaedia.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/08/2018 12:09:14
Who from contemporaries is an authoritative expert in the field of tides, whether at Cambridge University.
Who can name 2-3 names and write a link to their work.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 29/08/2018 13:26:32
Look on the NOAA site. You won’t find single, individual names as most research is team effort.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/08/2018 22:06:46
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
Sharp fluctuations in the amplitude of tides occur not only in the Bay of Fundy, but also in other bays where rivers flow.
You can read the encyclopedia
https://www.encyclopedia.com/earth-and-environment/geology-and-oceanography/geology-and-oceanography/tides
https://www.1902encyclopedia.com/T/TID/tides.html
Who is ready to refute or recognize this theory.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 08:14:32
Who is ready to refute or recognize this theory.
Silence of opponents shows that they do not have a constructive counterargument.
And this means that you subconsciously agree with the new theory.
Congratulations, you are free from medieval prejudices.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 02/09/2018 08:19:21
Congratulations, you are free from medieval prejudices.
Yes we are, but you are not

Silence of opponents shows that they do not have a constructive counterargument.
Last resort of the pseudo scientist.

Answers have been provided, but ignored. No point wasting more time.
eg:

Again, you are being selective with the data. If you look at a map of the world you will see that the equator passes through very few coastal places whereas the 2 temperate zones include a large number of coastal sites, so your two samples are not comparable.
As I pointed out before, your precession theory would result in larger tides at the equator than anywhere else, so the onus is on you to provide the evidence.
In reality the maximum tidal bulge follows the moon’s orbit which does not follow the equator. Many people mistakenly think it does and so make an incorrect assumption.

You say your "theory" solves all the problems.
Please show us ho you  would use it to calculate (as an example) the times of the next few high tides in London, New York or Barcelona or some other place where we can check.
If you can't do that then your idea doesn't even solve the simplest problem.
Unfortunately you are avoiding answering @Bored chemist  and looking at your post I can see why.

The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the whirlpool. And the height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the whirlpool of the orbital velocity of the Earth, and the time of the tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
where: A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 - rotation speed of the whirlpool.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t - the time of tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
The first problem with this formula is that it does not return an amplitude, it produces a number of square metres per second. That is clearly wrong.

Next problem involves timing:
As is known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, possess the property of a gyro (yule) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.
If you look at the Earth from the Sun, the whirlpools, rotating together with the Earth, turn over twice a day, due to which the whirlpools precess (swing by 1-2 degrees) and reflect the tidal wave around the entire perimeter of the whirlpool.
A rigid gyroscope on earth will indeed align itself to the sidereal day which is 4mins shorter than the solar day. However, that gives a number of problems for your theory.
Firstly, we know from observation that the main tide period is period is about 12hrs 25mins - half a lunar day - so two tides take 24hrs 50mins which is the average time for the Earth to rotate once relative to the Moon. This is a hugh difference from your difference of 4mins in 24hrs making your double tide period 23hrs 56mins.  Clearly your predictions can never work with this theory.

Your precession theory is also flawed because we are not dealing with a rigid gyroscope, so rather than turning over the water level would rise at one edge until gravity restrained it, leading to a constant level.

I have sailed in the Severn estuary several times and have yet to encounter these whirlpools you seem to think are present.
They don’t exist in the channel or north sea either. He is confusing tidal wave circulation with currents and doesn’t understand the difference.

There are so many false assumptions in these various topics that is hardly worth the effort of replying, especially as the op isn’t listening and just keeps repeating the same old false claims.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 09:23:34
I have sailed in the Severn estuary several times and have yet to encounter these whirlpools you seem to think are present.
Whirlpools cyclones and anticyclones are not possible to see not armed with the eye, they are too big. And the wind and current can be seen.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 09:30:14
The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..

The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of ​​Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of ​​Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
Why is the height of the tides in the Baltic Sea 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
And check the rotation speed of the whirlpool (flow velocity).
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/7-more-okean/10.htm
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 09:43:36
The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..

The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of ​​Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of ​​Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
Why is the height of the tides in the Baltic Sea 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
And check the rotation speed of the whirlpool (flow velocity).
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/7-more-okean/10.htm
You seem to have answered your own question.
Google's translation of the page you cited says
"In narrow places, in straits, tidal currents reach a tremendous speed. So in the narrow part of the White Sea - in the so-called Throat - tidal currents reach a speed of 15 kilometers per hour.

What are the causes of this phenomenon?

The main culprit of the tides is the Moon and, to a lesser extent, the Sun. "
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 10:02:47
It is believed that in the Baltic and White Sea tidal current moves from the Atlantic Ocean.
You can explain the mechanics of this movement.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 10:13:12
It is believed that in the Baltic and White Sea tidal current moves from the Atlantic Ocean.
You can explain the mechanics of this movement.
It gets pulled in by the Moon's gravity.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 10:31:50
The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..

The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of ​​Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of ​​Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
Why is the height of the tides in the Baltic Sea 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
And check the rotation speed of the whirlpool (flow velocity).
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/7-more-okean/10.htm
You seem to have answered your own question.
Google's translation of the page you cited says
"In narrow places, in straits, tidal currents reach a tremendous speed. So in the narrow part of the White Sea - in the so-called Throat - tidal currents reach a speed of 15 kilometers per hour.

What are the causes of this phenomenon?

The main culprit of the tides is the Moon and, to a lesser extent, the Sun. "
This is not an answer!
If you do not know the answer, give the opportunity to answer another, or do not answer the question at all.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 02/09/2018 10:38:06
I have sailed in the Severn estuary several times and have yet to encounter these whirlpools you seem to think are present.
Whirlpools cyclones and anticyclones are not possible to see not armed with the eye, they are too big. And the wind and current can be seen.
They would show up (if they existed) as they would affect the SOG (speed over ground) of a boat, and this is something sailors keep a close eye on.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 10:39:09
This is not an answer!
Yes it is.
Unless you can prove that the  Moon and Sun are not responsible, it will remain a valid answer.
It's not going to change just because you don't like it.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 10:47:20
The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..

The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of ​​Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of ​​Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
Why is the height of the tides in the Baltic Sea 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
And check the rotation speed of the whirlpool (flow velocity).
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/7-more-okean/10.htm
Please answer the question
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 11:04:57
Please answer the question
I did.
And you said it wasn't an answer.
But you can't seem to say why not.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 11:23:37
The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..

The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of ​​Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of ​​Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
Please read this post carefully and you will be free from heresy.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 11:30:02
Please read this post carefully and you will be free from heresy.
That makes no sense.
Please try answering the question.
What's wrong with the model where the Sun and Moon create the tides?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 12:52:50
Please read this post carefully and you will be free from heresy.
That makes no sense.
Please try answering the question.
What's wrong with the model where the Sun and Moon create the tides?
You consciously leave the answer.
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 14:23:27
You consciously leave the answer.
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
I'm sorry, but that made little sense.

The places where the tidal range is larger are generally where the tide is funneled into a bay or estuary.
Because the tidal bulge (dragged by the moon's gravity) enters the funnel and travels along it, the same volume of water is forced into a narrow passage and so it has to get deeper.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 14:29:23
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 02/09/2018 15:15:57
Why is the height of the tides in the Baltic Sea 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
And check the rotation speed of the whirlpool (flow velocity).
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/7-more-okean/10.htm
Please answer the question

You have already answered it for us. This link says nothing about rotation speeds of whirlpools, but does say:
What are the causes of this phenomenon?
The main culprit of the tides is the Moon and, to a lesser extent, the Sun. The inhabitants of the sea coast have long noticed the connection of the tides with the movement of these luminaries.
How does the Moon and the Sun affect the movement of water in the seas and oceans? That's how. It is known that the Moon moves around the Earth and that both planets move around the Sun. But since the Moon is many times closer to the Earth than the Sun, the Moon's attraction to the Earth is much stronger than the impact of the Sun. Naturally, this influence has the strongest and most visible effect on the liquid shell of our planet, that is, on the oceans and seas.
If there were no continents and islands on the surface of the Earth and the whole Earth would be covered by water (also of equal depth), then the impact of the moon on this world ocean would have the following effect. In the region of the ocean closest to the Moon, due to attraction, there will be a rising of water to meet the Moon. At the same time, in the opposite part of the world ocean, the centrifugal force will also cause a rise in water. But since the rising of the water can not happen anywhere without a drop in the level elsewhere, this fall will occur in a strip perpendicular to the line of action of the moon. The moon circumnavigates the globe within 24 hours 50 minutes; Thus, it is obvious that the rising and lowering of waters as a result of the tidal wave following the movement of the Moon will take place twice a day in the world's oceans.
We said that the Sun, due to its remoteness, has less impact on the ocean's waters. However, when the Moon and the Sun are aligned with the Earth on one straight line (in the new moon and the full moon), the particles of water will be under the influence of both luminaries, and, naturally, this will cause the greatest tide. But there may be an opposite phenomenon, when the Moon and the Sun are on lines perpendicular to each other. In this case, the forces of the two luminaries will be directed in different directions and will counteract each other. Obviously, and the tide will be at this moment the smallest.
We considered this phenomenon now in the conditions of a boundless world ocean, but in fact, continents and islands divide the world ocean into separate oceans and various seas. The land impedes the free propagation of the tidal wave and introduces a great variety in the nature of this phenomenon.”


So as @Bored chemist  says, you seem to be in agreement with us that the moon and sun are the primary reason for tides.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 19:35:47
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 20:02:21
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
Are you asking for such a place?
OK
Jersey
It's in the channel- there's not much current. Mean sea level is pretty much the same at both ends of the channel.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 20:39:04
Could you please name the sea, the lake, the bay, where the whirlpools rotate, but there are no high tides. (and that there was a flow map).
And you show me the island.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 21:45:13
Could you please name the sea, the lake, the bay, where the whirlpools rotate, but there are no high tides. (and that there was a flow map).
And you show me the island.
No.
You can do all that for yourself.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 21:56:22
I ask you a question.
Why are the tides forming 10 cm in the Baltic Sea and 10 meters in the White Sea.
http://goo.gl/eYVTo6
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 22:05:55
I ask you a question.
Why are the tides forming 10 cm in the Baltic Sea and 10 meters in the White Sea.

I already answered.


The places where the tidal range is larger are generally where the tide is funneled into a bay or estuary.
Because the tidal bulge (dragged by the moon's gravity) enters the funnel and travels along it, the same volume of water is forced into a narrow passage and so it has to get deeper.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 22:32:33
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
http://goo.gl/eYVTo6
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
  2. The tidal current in the White and Baltic Sea, moves from the Atlantic Ocean. How.
a). The distance from the Atlantic Ocean to the throat of the Baltic Sea is 10 km, to the throat of the White Sea 3000 km.
Flow from the throat of the White Sea moves from south to north, at a speed of 1 km an hour
b). The flow from the throat of the White Sea moves from south to north, at a speed of 1 km per hour.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 03/09/2018 07:31:54
You do not know this, but I'll tell you.
The tidal current in the White and Baltic Sea moves from the Atlantic Ocean.
The distance to the throat of the Baltic Sea is 10 km, to the throat of the White Sea is 3000 km.
The distance has nothing to do with it. The correct answer is:
The places where the tidal range is larger are generally where the tide is funneled into a bay or estuary.
Because the tidal bulge (dragged by the moon's gravity) enters the funnel and travels along it, the same volume of water is forced into a narrow passage and so it has to get deeper.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/09/2018 10:04:19
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
http://goo.gl/eYVTo6
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
 2. The tidal current moves to the White Sea from the Atlantic Ocean. How. (trajectory, distance, travel time).
a). As the flow moves, pulsates every 12 hours, or flows a continuous stream (eternal tide).
b). As there is an ebb in the river Severnaya Dvina, if in the Northern Dvina, the eternal tidal current moves.
at). What is the mechanism of transformation of the tidal current into a tidal wave.
g). How much water to move in the tidal current.
e). At what speed does the tidal current (km / h) move.
(The distance from the Atlantic Ocean to the throat of the Baltic Sea is 10 km, to the throat of the White Sea 3000 km.
Flow from the throat of the White Sea moves from south to north, at a speed of 1 km an hour).
Please answer both questions?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 03/09/2018 11:39:58
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
http://goo.gl/eYVTo6
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
  2. The tidal current in the White and Baltic Sea, moves from the Atlantic Ocean. How.
a). The distance to the throat of the Baltic Sea is 10 km, to the throat of the White Sea 3000 km.
b). The flow from the throat of the White Sea moves from south to north, at a speed of 1 km per hour.
Please answer both questions?

Already answered:


The places where the tidal range is larger are generally where the tide is funneled into a bay or estuary.
Because the tidal bulge (dragged by the moon's gravity) enters the funnel and travels along it, the same volume of water is forced into a narrow passage and so it has to get deeper.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

As you don’t seem interested in the answers, why should we bother?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/09/2018 12:17:45
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
http://goo.gl/eYVTo6
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
 2. The tidal current moves to the White Sea from the Atlantic Ocean. How. (trajectory, distance, travel time).
a). As the flow moves, pulsates every 12 hours, or flows a continuous stream (eternal tide).
b). As there is an ebb in the river Severnaya Dvina, if in the Northern Dvina, the eternal tidal current moves.
at). What is the mechanism of transformation of the tidal current into a tidal wave.
g). How much water to move in the tidal current.
e). At what speed does the tidal current (km / h) move.
(The distance from the Atlantic Ocean to the throat of the Baltic Sea is 10 km, to the throat of the White Sea 3000 km.
Flow from the throat of the White Sea moves from south to north, at a speed of 1 km an hour).
Please answer both questions?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/09/2018 12:18:28
Coast of the peninsula Nova Scotia (Canada), from the east it is washed by the waters of the Atlantic Ocean, in the west by the waters of the Bay of Fundy.
The tidal wave on the peninsula moves from east to west. (at the equator at a speed of 1650 km per hour).
The maximum height of the tides in the east of the peninsula is 1 meter, in the west of the peninsula is 20 meters (the Bay of Fundy).
Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
It is believed that the tidal wave reflected from the eastern coast of Canada is moving towards the Baltic, White and Chukchi seas.
http://www.gulfofmaine.org/ebm/toolkitsurvey/images/exec-sum-2.jpg
http:/.../www.gulfofmaine-census.org/wp-content/images/circulation/fig4.jpg
http:/.../www.gulfofmaine.org/ebm/toolkitsurvey/images/exec-sum-2.jpg
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/09/2018 18:06:27
The coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka (Russia), from the east it is washed by the waters of the Pacific Ocean, in the west by the waters of the Penzhinsky Gulf of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
The tidal wave on the peninsula moves from east to west (at the equator at a speed of 1650 km per hour).
The maximum height of the tides in the east of the peninsula is 0.5 meters, in the west of the peninsula is 13 meters (Penzhinsky Bay).
Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
The highest tides in the Pacific Ocean are formed in the Penzhina Bay of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk (why, not at the equator).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamchatka_Peninsula
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/41.png
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Okhotsk-Japan5PZG.png
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/09/2018 19:06:07
at a speed of 1650 km per hour
Where did you get that figure from?
It's not credible that a wave crosses the sea, faster than the speed of sound and yet nobody notices.


Do you have an suggestion that's not obviously wrong?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/09/2018 21:46:29
It's not credible that a wave crosses the sea, faster than the speed of sound and yet nobody notices.
This figure from the encyclopedia, we discussed it, but the essence of the last posts in the other.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/earth-and-environment/geology-and-oceanography/geology-and-oceanography/tides
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/09/2018 22:06:05
This figure from the encyclopedia, we discussed it, but the essence of the last posts in the other.
That encyclopedia page does not mention 1650.
I presume you mean this
"An idealized tidal wave would move across Earth at 1,600 kilometers per hour (1,000 miles per hour) at the equator. " which is wrong, a tidal bulge would move at that speed.

and Russia isn't on the equator.

Now answer the question.
How do we have supersonic waves traveling around with nobody noticing?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/09/2018 22:16:15
This figure from the encyclopedia, we discussed it, but the essence of the last posts in the other.
That encyclopedia page does not mention 1650.
I presume you mean this
"An idealized tidal wave would move across Earth at 1,600 kilometers per hour (1,000 miles per hour) at the equator. " which is wrong, a tidal bulge would move at that speed.

and Russia isn't on the equator.

Now answer the question.
How do we have supersonic waves traveling around with nobody noticing?
We discussed this topic in the topic "The tides are the result of the rotation of the earth and the whirlpools" page 9.
If you want to discuss more, go to another topic and ask questions.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/09/2018 22:17:12
I believe the last three posts brilliantly refute the Moon theory of tides.
And the catalyst for these posts were my opponents.
This forum has well edited my theory.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 04/09/2018 04:39:13
I believe the last three posts brilliantly refute the Moon theory of tides.
You are mistaken and your mistake is in assuming that the tidal bulges, or waves, travel east to west at the same speed as the moon rotates about the earth. As we have explained before, the waves (not currents) circulate in the ocean basins around tidal nodes called amphidromic points, so they do not travel at the speeds you assume.

The other thing you are ignoring is the fact that your whirlpool theory has been disproved:
The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the whirlpool. And the height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the whirlpool of the orbital velocity of the Earth, and the time of the tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
where: A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 - rotation speed of the whirlpool.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t - the time of tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
The first problem with this formula is that it does not return an amplitude, it produces a number of square metres per second. That is clearly wrong.

Next problem involves timing:
As is known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, possess the property of a gyro (yule) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.
If you look at the Earth from the Sun, the whirlpools, rotating together with the Earth, turn over twice a day, due to which the whirlpools precess (swing by 1-2 degrees) and reflect the tidal wave around the entire perimeter of the whirlpool.
A rigid gyroscope on earth will indeed align itself to the sidereal day which is 4mins shorter than the solar day. However, that gives a number of problems for your theory.
Firstly, we know from observation that the main tide period is period is about 12hrs 25mins - half a lunar day - so two tides take 24hrs 50mins which is the average time for the Earth to rotate once relative to the Moon. This is a hugh difference from your difference of 4mins in 24hrs making your double tide period 23hrs 56mins.  Clearly your predictions can never work with this theory.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 04/09/2018 06:45:04
You are mistaken and your mistake is in assuming that the tidal bulges, or waves, travel east to west at the same speed as the moon rotates about the earth. As we have explained before, the waves (not currents) circulate in the ocean basins around tidal nodes called amphidromic points, so they do not travel at the speeds you assume.
In this topic, large fluctuations in the amplitude of tides are discussed.
And you are talking about other issues.

1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.

2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

3. Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

4. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.

5. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 04/09/2018 14:39:43
You are mistaken and your mistake is in assuming that the tidal bulges, or waves, travel east to west at the same speed as the moon rotates about the earth. As we have explained before, the waves (not currents) circulate in the ocean basins around tidal nodes called amphidromic points, so they do not travel at the speeds you assume.
In this topic, large fluctuations in the amplitude of tides are discussed.
And you are talking about other issues.
So why did you start talking about these ‘other issues’.
It doesn’t change anything as your whirlpool ‘theory’ is now shown to be wrong.

1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.

2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

3. Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

4. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.

5. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
None of these are mysteries to anyone who understands the dynamic theory of tides and understands the influence of sun and moon, and they have been explained here before.
Only to the whirlpool theory are they a mystery.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 04/09/2018 20:43:20
I believe the last three posts brilliantly refute the Moon theory of tides.
We are not responsible for what you believe.
However the evidence makes it pretty clear that the Moon and Sun drive the tides.

Perhaps you would like to answer my question; how did you come to the view that there were supersonic waves crossing the seas without anyone noticing?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 05/09/2018 10:24:52
That the "lunar tidal wave" is moving from east to west, at a speed of 1600 km per hour, I do not claim. This is written in the lunar theory of tides.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/earth-and-environment/geology-and-oceanography/geology-and-oceanography/tides
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 05/09/2018 21:54:47
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.

2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

3. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.

4. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
None of these are mysteries to anyone who understands the dynamic theory of tides
What prevents you from discovering this greatest mystery of nature, relying on the dynamic model of tides.
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 05/09/2018 22:24:05
That the "lunar tidal wave" is moving from east to west, at a speed of 1600 km per hour, I do not claim. This is written in the lunar theory of tides.

Is there any way to get you to understand the difference between the tidal bulge and a tidal wave?
If not, there is no way  that this thread will ever make progress.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 06/09/2018 06:12:39
That the "lunar tidal wave" is moving from east to west, at a speed of 1600 km per hour, I do not claim. This is written in the lunar theory of tides.

Is there any way to get you to understand the difference between the tidal bulge and a tidal wave?
If not, there is no way  that this thread will ever make progress.
What kind of wave are you writing,
lunar or maelstrom.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 06/09/2018 09:52:45
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.

2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

3. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.

4. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
None of these are mysteries to anyone who understands the dynamic theory of tides
What prevents you from discovering this greatest mystery of nature, relying on the dynamic model of tides.
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Colin2B, you have studied the "dynamic tide model" well enough to answer these questions.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/09/2018 19:15:35
Come back to us when you realise that the tidal bulge isn't a wave.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 08/09/2018 21:28:00
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.

2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

3. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.

4. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
None of these are mysteries to anyone who understands the dynamic theory of tides
What prevents you from discovering this greatest mystery of nature, relying on the dynamic model of tides.
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Colin2B, you have studied the "dynamic tide model" well enough to answer these questions.
Сolin2B, you can answer these four questions based on the dynamic tide model.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 08/09/2018 21:54:14
Сolin2B, you can answer these four questions based on the dynamic tide model.

Yes I can, easily.
But as you are not the slightest bit interested in the truth I see no point in wasting keyboard time.

PS You seem to be ignoring the fact that your whirlpool theory is proven to be false.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 09/09/2018 07:24:45
Сolin2B, you can answer these four questions based on the dynamic tide model.
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm

Yes I can, easily.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that your whirlpool theory is proven to be false.
Then answer these four questions based on the true theory of tides.
Lies are always weak.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/09/2018 09:37:49
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.

2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

3. Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
You have yet to explain why you think the behaviour should be different from that observed.
You say "but it should be all the opposite", but you don't say why.

4. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.
I can find no support for the idea that this happens. Please cite some evidence that the effect is real.
5. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
Again, I can't find evidence for this
On the other hand, I did find a report into the tide/ current there.
https://iwaponline.com/jh/article-abstract/20/4/798/38904/Flow-dynamics-in-large-tidal-delta-of-the-Northern?redirectedFrom=fulltext

If they had found anything anomalous, that fact would be mentioned in the abstract. yet it isn't.

Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 09/09/2018 19:32:12
Colin2B writes.
One of the problems associated with trying to discuss with you is that you misconstrue the basic concepts and try to curb them in your ideas.

Quote: Юсуп Хизировse Today at 07:08:01

And according to the dynamic theory of the Laplace tides, the "tidal hump" is not tied to the Moon due to the lag behind the tidal hump due to the friction of the water with the ocean floor.


Even if the tides fall behind the moon, it is still tied to the frequency of the moon, because this lag is constant - it ranges between 90 ° and 0 °.
I suggest you read the link again and try to understand it.

Pay attention also to the link: "Instead of circulating around the world, the tide wave breaks down into numerous smaller cells called amphidrome systems. Within each cell, the tide wave revolves around the amphidrome point. "
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 09/09/2018 19:34:14
Colin2B writes.
Pay attention also to the link: "Instead of circulating around the world, the tide wave breaks down into numerous smaller cells called amphidrome systems. Within each cell, the tide wave revolves around the amphidrome point. "
This is mythology, for those who blindly believe in the printed word.
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/09/2018 21:45:13
And on that page it say "For the tide wave to keep up with the Earth, the ocean would have to be 22,000 m deep!"
And I keep asking you if you know the difference between a wave and the tidal bulge.
And you keep failing to answer.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 10/09/2018 02:20:09
And on that page it say "For the tide wave to keep up with the Earth, the ocean would have to be 22,000 m deep!"
And I keep asking you if you know the difference between a wave and the tidal bulge.
And you keep failing to answer.
According to the Static theory of Newton's tides, "Moon tidal current" moves from east to west at a speed of 1600 km / h, bending around the Earth for 24 hours, wiping the ocean floor and flooding only the eastern coasts of the continents, but through the centuries it was discovered:

1. "Tidal wave of the Moon" floods both the western and southern and northern coasts of the continents.
2. The tidal wave velocity of 1600 km / h is catastrophic for both continents and marine fauna.
3. That simultaneously across the globe there are not two tidal humpbacks, but more than a hundred, regardless of the location of the moon.
4. That abnormally high tides for some reason arise in semi-enclosed bays, where there is no direct access to the tidal wave. And in the bays open to the tidal wave of tides or not at all, or they are small. http://goo.gl/nZExip

To save the static model of tides, Laplace attempted to suggest a dynamic tide model, providing a delay (up to 800 km / h) and twisting the tidal hump due to friction with the ocean floor. And to show the magnitude of the backlog from the hump, entered the application hours (from 0 to 12).
Although it would be more practical to introduce applied kilometers, then it would be possible to determine the location of the moon, both in longitude and latitude.

But the dynamic model of tides does not answer all the questions posed:
1. As long as the tidal wave makes one revolution around the Earth, the Moon makes two turns, how is the gravitational connection between the Moon and the tidal hump realized?
2. If the superimposed hour is zero, this means that there is no friction of the tidal wave at the ocean floor and the speed of the wave is 1600 km / h, and if the superimposed hour is 12, this means that the friction reduces the tidal waves to 800 km / h.
Why in one area is the friction of the tidal wave at the bottom of the ocean and in another area.
Why the average speed of a tidal wave in the immobile water of the Fundy Bay is about 10 km / h.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Kryptid on 10/09/2018 04:08:51
2. The tidal wave velocity of 1600 km / h is catastrophic for both continents and marine fauna.

I see this guy still doesn't understand what a tidal bulge actually is.

Are you guys sure you want to keep debating with this brick wall?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Colin2B on 10/09/2018 13:27:26
I see this guy still doesn't understand what a tidal bulge actually is.

Are you guys sure you want to keep debating with this brick wall?
I think you are right, we are wasting our time.

Particularly when he askes:
What kind of wave are you writing,
lunar or maelstrom.
Doesn’t even know what a maelstrom is.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 10/09/2018 14:09:45
And on that page it say "For the tide wave to keep up with the Earth, the ocean would have to be 22,000 m deep!"
And I keep asking you if you know the difference between a wave and the tidal bulge.
And you keep failing to answer.
I know
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 10/09/2018 14:20:57
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.

2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

3. Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
You have yet to explain why you think the behaviour should be different from that observed.
You say "but it should be all the opposite", but you don't say why.

4. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.
I can find no support for the idea that this happens. Please cite some evidence that the effect is real.
5. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
Again, I can't find evidence for this
On the other hand, I did find a report into the tide/ current there.
https://iwaponline.com/jh/article-abstract/20/4/798/38904/Flow-dynamics-in-large-tidal-delta-of-the-Northern?redirectedFrom=fulltext

If they had found anything anomalous, that fact would be mentioned in the abstract. yet it isn't.
Admit that you can not answer these questions, relying on the lunar theory of tides.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 12/09/2018 05:31:06
Dynamic Theory of Tides
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Instead of circumnavigating the world, the tide wave is broken up into numerous smaller cells, called amphidromic systems. Within each cell, the tide wave circles around an amphidromic point.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/09/2018 19:04:09
Admit that you can not answer these questions, relying on the lunar theory of tides.
I did answer them.
You quoted my answer.

Why are you trolling?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 13/09/2018 16:50:34
Dynamic Theory of Tides
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Instead of circumnavigating the world, the tide wave is broken up into numerous smaller cells, called amphidromic systems. Within each cell, the tide wave circles around an amphidromic point.
Who in this forum is well prepared to comment on the dynamic model of the tides.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 20/09/2018 11:07:31
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.

2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

3. Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

4. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.

5. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
Only practicing oceanographers can answer these questions.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/09/2018 19:11:24
Only practicing oceanographers can answer these questions.
That's plainly not true because I already answered them, and I'm not an oceanographer.
Why did you say it?
Do you not realise that saying things which are obviously nonsense makes you look bad?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 23/09/2018 09:36:58
That's plainly not true because I already answered them, and I'm not an oceanographer.
If you are not an oceanographer, why do you take responsibility, comment on something that you do not know.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 23/09/2018 10:28:00
That's plainly not true because I already answered them, and I'm not an oceanographer.
If you are not an oceanographer, why do you take responsibility, comment on something that you do not know.
I don't need to be an oceanographer to point out that you are wrong.
Nor would being an oceanographer  show that you were right.
That mistake is so well documented that it has its own wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

When it comes down to it, you are still clearly wrong.
I can answer those questions, and I'm not an oceanographer so your assertion
Only practicing oceanographers can answer these questions.
is not correct.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/09/2018 11:28:40
Along the equatorial zone, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and there is no need to calculate it.
(It can be conditionally aligned 1).
The height of the tide in the equatorial zone depends only on the shape of the bay.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/09/2018 11:43:22
That's a nice video of a Tidal Bore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_bore
so what?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/09/2018 13:11:36
Along the equatorial zone, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and there is no need to calculate it.
(It can be conditionally aligned 1).
The height of the tide in the equatorial zone depends only on the shape of the bay.
On the territory of England, the "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and the height of the tides is everywhere different, why.
(The range of tides is 0 to 15 meters)?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/09/2018 13:26:04
In England, the "tidal power" is the same everywhere, and the height of the tides is different, why?
I already answered that here
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74403.msg552820#msg552820

why don't you pay attention?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/09/2018 13:53:47
You consciously leave the answer.
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
I'm sorry, but that made little sense.

The places where the tidal range is larger are generally where the tide is funneled into a bay or estuary.
Because the tidal bulge (dragged by the moon's gravity) enters the funnel and travels along it, the same volume of water is forced into a narrow passage and so it has to get deeper.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You do not want to add anything else.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/09/2018 14:10:43
You do not want to add anything else.
Why would I?
I answered the question...

But why do you keep asking the same question?
Are you hoping reality will change?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 29/09/2018 14:37:22
Why in England, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and the height of the tides is different.
(The range of tides is 0 to 15 meters)?
Why do you leave the answer, this is the right question.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/09/2018 16:39:13
Why in England, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and the height of the tides is different.
(The range of tides is 0 to 15 meters)?
Why do you leave the answer, this is the right question.
Any bright school child would realise the answer is that "other things are involved".

Why don't you?
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 30/09/2018 13:37:34
Scientific journal "NBIX-Nauka. Technology" No. 4/2018. Page 104.
(Nanotechnological Society of Russia)
http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii
A positive review of 20 members of the editorial board of this authoritative journal is another convincing argument for the correctness of this theory.
I think the members of the editorial board knew what responsibility they bear for an objective evaluation of this theory.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 30/09/2018 13:49:46
Scientific journal "NBIX-Nauka. Technology" No. 4/2018. Page 104.
(Nanotechnological Society of Russia)
http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii
A positive review of 20 members of the editorial board of this authoritative journal is another convincing argument for the correctness of this theory.
I think the members of the editorial board knew what responsibility they bear for an objective evaluation of this theory.
Seriously?
You didn't know the difference between a paper in NAture and an advert.
And you think that's an "authoritative journal".

Even if it was, all you have done is repeat the "appeal to authority" fallacy.

Why do you think a nanotech journal knows anything about tides.
And,, my Russian's not up to checking, but it looks rather like "vanity publishing" to me.

Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 22/11/2018 18:48:41
This theory has very good testability.
If high tides form on that bank where you are standing, it means that the current is moving fast along this bank.
It is easy to check based on a map of the sea currents that are on the Internet.

Approximately the tide chart will look like this:
1 km / h - 1 meter.
2 km / h - 2 meter.
3 km / h - 3 meter.
And so on.
And no philosophy.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/11/2018 18:59:00
This theory has very good testability.
Then what are you waiting for?

When you have done that you need to do the important thing.

Show that the data is not consistent with the established  idea of how tides work.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 24/11/2018 11:26:30
This theory has very good testability.
If high tides form on that bank where you are standing, it means that the current is moving fast along this bank.
It is easy to check based on a map of the sea currents that are on the Internet.

Approximately the tide chart will look like this:
1 km / h - 1 meter.
2 km / h - 2 meter.
3 km / h - 3 meter.
And so on.
And no philosophy.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the whirlpools, the amount of water under the whirlpool, the distance from the coast to the whirlpool, and the direction of flow (to the west, east, north, south).
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 24/11/2018 11:34:15
Saying all that doesn't help.
What you need to do is show that you can predict the tides better than the established model.
In particular, you need to show that the established model gets things wrong.
Until you do that, you are wasting everybody's time.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 26/11/2018 00:54:46
This theory has very good testability.
If high tides form on that bank where you are standing, it means that the current is moving fast along this bank.
It is easy to check based on a map of the sea currents that are on the Internet.

Approximately the tide chart will look like this:
1 km / h - 1 meter.
2 km / h - 2 meter.
3 km / h - 3 meter.
And so on.
And no philosophy.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the whirlpools, the amount of water under the whirlpool, the distance from the coast to the whirlpool, and the direction of flow (to the west, east, north, south).
The only way to refute the whirlpool theory of tides is to name the coast where the current is moving fast, but there are no high tides there.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 03/12/2018 04:25:46
Vertical movement of ocean waters can be convincingly modeled using simple experience.
For this, a half-filled vessel with rotating liquid (bucket, tumbler, mixer) must be rotated around itself (in orbit).
If the liquid in the bucket rotates to the right, the bucket around itself (in orbit) must be rotated to the left.
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/12/2018 19:10:12
If the horse has died - get off!
Title: Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
Post by: Yusup Hizirov on 24/12/2018 21:12:02
Vertical movement of ocean waters can be convincingly modeled using simple experience.
For this, a half-filled vessel with rotating liquid (bucket, tumbler, mixer) must be rotated around itself (in orbit).
If the liquid in the bucket rotates to the right, the bucket around itself (in orbit) must be rotated to the left.
When conducting an experiment with a hydro-calider, you need to follow safety precautions.
If your friends notice you with a rotating bucket, they may be suspicious of witchcraft.
To protect yourself, the experience should be carried out indoors or in a clean field.